From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #318 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, August 30 2000 Volume 05 : Number 318 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Sad, so sad. [Julialiva@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] :-) [Julialiva@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] :-) [Julialiva@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Re : New Albums etc [Julialiva@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Sad, so sad. [Julialiva@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Re : The Best Of Everything [Julialiva@aol.com] [AVALON] Grey Lagoons ["Simon Galloway" ] [AVALON] Re : Grey Lagoons ["Johnny Reece" ] Re: [AVALON] Grey Lagoons ["Simon Galloway" ] [AVALON] Casanova ["Simon Galloway" ] Re: [AVALON] Re : New Albums etc ["C.H.S=?ISO-8859-1?B?9g==?=temann" ] Re: [AVALON] Grey Lagoons Defended... ["Simon Galloway" ] Re: [AVALON] HBO's G-string Divas [KB Porter ] RE: [AVALON]outrage ["Therese O'Donnell" ] Re: [AVALON] Origins of Avalon (cont'd) [Doll819@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Sad, so sad. [KB Porter ] [AVALON] House Of Cards. Room One [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] Sad, so sad. [KB Porter ] [AVALON] The Study Room [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] South Downs [Kicki Gustafsson ] [AVALON] High Fidelity ["Simon Galloway" ] [AVALON] Shopping to Roxy [Betsy Fowler ] [AVALON] Avalon updated [Kicki Gustafsson ] [AVALON] The private room ["Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 05:32:40 EDT From: Julialiva@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Sad, so sad. That's what I've done many times before, trying to get a dicussion going on Ferry's work and where it could take him in the near future - I even got so far to talk about the chances and risks about song-writing but nobody seems to answer to that one. Haven't you read this messages? Or am I on the "bad side" already as I try to avoid this back-stabbing? Well, this does not bother me at all! ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 05:54:34 EDT From: Julialiva@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] :-) Hi Tracy, I prefer the "Country Life" version but the reason might be that I do love the whole sound and atmosphere on this record, it has a lot of strong and dark moments and I love the strength of Casanova, the other version seems lighter but it's hard to compare - both versions are fine with me. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 05:58:42 EDT From: Julialiva@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] :-) Hi Tracy, if I can help you discovering more Roxy-stuff let me know. I do have a couple of early records twice (some even more as I hated it when they got scratched!). Just send me a list of what you're still looking for and I check my collection. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 06:04:39 EDT From: Julialiva@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re : New Albums etc Hi Johnny, I can only agree with you on the remake version of 2HB, that one has always been really special to me. Same with "Grey Lagoons", wish I could have a live-version of that one but I can't remember if they ever played this song live. Well, and I have been totally happy about "Sunset" and "Bitter-Sweet" on this tour, especially at CH as well as "A hard rain.." which was an outstanding version I never expected to be so wonderful with this upbeated tempo. Look forward to your radio-show (hope I can work it out technically!!!), will you be playing the girl from Island you recommend, I really like to hear what she is like (I do like Björk too!). ...und das Spiel geht weiter, wie man weiß....noch viele schönste Wiedersehen! ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 06:06:30 EDT From: Julialiva@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Sad, so sad. You're right Han; it is more then sad and I wish we could do something about this people trying to destroy the side. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 06:18:30 EDT From: Julialiva@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re : The Best Of Everything Highlights of the tour: 1. Live-version of "The Only Face" in Braunschweig (best concert, great sound, wonderful audience), 2. Disappointment: Baden-Baden show (fantastic place but difficult sound, boring audience (they loved "Oh Yeah"), Castle Howard: great atmosphere & meeting so many nice and sincere Ferry-fans like Tracy, Tom, Johnny, Han, Andrew, John & family, Diane, Jim - hope I could catch all names. Being there, seeing Ferry in this wonderful landscape will stay unforgettable. Only disappointement: this nerv-wracking support-band. (good to go for that nice continental coffee!!!) ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:38:20 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] Grey Lagoons Grey Lagoons certainly was performed live, as far back as summer 1972, so possibly it was a contender for the first album? And it was performed on the FYP tour and the Country Life tour as well. Maybe others, but I don't know (yet). A great live song, but the weakest track on FYP (sorry Reecey). As for the LST remakes (I know it's a compilation) I really like 2HB, Chance Meeting sounds fantastic (the keyboards especially) and See Breezes flows quite nicely. But why on earth he re-recorded Re-Make/Re-Model I'll never know! That arrangement is very similar to how Roxy played it on the Siren tour though. I really like the version of 2HB that Roxy did for a BBC session in 1972. Is it true that Andy Mackay based his solo in 2HB on As Time Goes By? SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:00:40 +0100 From: "Johnny Reece" Subject: [AVALON] Re : Grey Lagoons Aaah, Grey Lagoons. Eh ? Mr Galloway ? Weakest track on FYP ? I'd go for Strictly Confidential, myself. My abiding memory of Lagoons is Eno and Mackay belting out the backing vox on this on the FYP tour (Glasgow, Apr 6, 1973, if you must know - first time I saw Roxy). Wasn't it originally titled 'The Bogus Man, part 2' ? I think Mackay mentiond his 2HB solo and what it's based on, in the recent 'Record Buyer' Mag article (sorry don't have it to hand). Reecey... - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Be afraid. www.albumzone.net - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:03:23 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Grey Lagoons >>> "Simon Galloway" 08/30 11:38 am >>> >Grey Lagoons certainly was performed live...it was performed on the FYP tour and the >Country Life tour as well. Sorry, I'm just making it up now! I think I'm getting it confused with Beauty Queen for the Country Life tour. SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:10:18 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] Casanova Hmmm. I think I prefer the Let's Stick Together version, but it all depends what mood I'm in. The CL version is like a big art-rock/heavy metal/funk mixture, that threatens to do damage, whereas the LST version is restrained, which I think makes it more sinister. Also, the double-tracked octave vocal (one high, one low) is used to great effect, and has been ripped off many times since (come on down Brett Anderson). Certainly the current live version is great, far better than some other live versions I've heard (especially the horrible one on the New Town video). SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:13:48 +0200 From: "C.H.S=?ISO-8859-1?B?9g==?=temann" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re : New Albums etc Hello everyone, I'd be happy to see a return to discussing Ferry's music and related topics - frankly I have no clue what the intersubjective difficulties might (have) be(en), as I'm still very new to the list. As regards the "The Early Years" CD, I've seen it in a record store today and yes, I have not bought it yet. I will buy it later, but actually I found a few of the limited edition re-release albums on CD (those with the "mini-LP" covers) for a relatively cheap price, and so I purchased those instead. Looking at "The Early Years", it's of course a great album, but I feel it to be a bit of a missed opportunity. For example, if "Dream Home" has been edited down a bit, why hasn't the original, unreleased version (said to be about 9 minutes long? Am I right?) been included. I have read that there are few Roxy outtakes (and those tracks billed "outtakes" on the bootlegs are simply B-sides (in my collection, that is)), but it'd be nice to give the die-hard fans something interesting, something new. By the way, "South Downs" on the 1995 box set is an outtake, not the B-side version, is it? Or have all of you skipped that track? I like it, incidentally. Concerning Grey Lagoons: I think there is a BBC live version (played to an audience in the studio, presumably), billed as "The Bogus Man Pt II" on some of the wash of BBC releases seven or eight years ago. Concerning all of the concert retrospectives: I envy all of you so much! Being a student, I have only been able to catch two concerts (Hamburg (great band, shame about the audience) and Hanover (great band, nice setting, more appreciative audience)). The set lists were the same, and I would have liked to be able to listen to more gigs and hence also set differences. If there's a concert video or so in circulation, could somebody contact me? Also, I have heard about the APS video - is there any chance to get hold of that? I'd be grateful for any information submitted to me (because I do not even know what a CD tree is - "A CD tree is a tree that grows CDs." "Ah well, thanks anyway."). Greetings, Christian (sorry, this was a bit long) ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:17:18 +0100 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: [AVALON] Origins of Avalon (cont'd) Dear All, While most sane UK Avalonians were off having fun at Castle Howard, I was topping up my rain-tan in west Wales and reduced to playing 'Mastermind' in a caravan perched on the edge of a cliff with only 'The Avalon Ballroom', 'FYP', 'Viva!' and 'Avalon' on the walkman to keep me sane. On the plus side, I did enjoy a number of odd 'Roxy' moments, such as the single copy of 'County Life' magazine sitting conspicuously on an empty shelf in the local post office and spotting a guest house called 'Sea Breezes' (duly photographed for the collection). A book called 'Street Life' proved, disappointingly, to be the autobiography of a UK 'Coronation Street' TV soap actor. In keeping with my occasional series of trips to Ferry-tale Castles (following Carrickfergus earlier this year), we paid a visit to the remarkably intact 12th century castle of Manorbier in Pembrokeshire. Why am I telling you this ? Well, this is the family home and birthplace of Gerald de Barri or Geraldus Cambrensis (better known as Gerald of Wales) who was present at Glastonbury in 1190 during the uncovering of the grave said to be that of King Arthur. (Incidentally, Gerald refers to Arthur as being a famous, local ruler but never suggests the grandeur implied by Geoffrey of Monmouth). He wrote (From "Liber de Principis instructione" c.1193): In our own lifetime Arthur's body was discovered at Glastonbury, although the legends had always encouraged us to believe that there was something otherworldly about his ending, that he had resisted death and had been spirited away to some far-distant spot. The body was hidden deep in the earth in a hollowed-out oak bole and between two stone pyramids...beneath it, and not on top, as would be the custom nowadays, there was a stone slab, with a leaden cross attached to its under side. I have seen this cross myself and I have traced the lettering which was cut into it on the side turned towards the stone, instead of being on the outer side and immediately visible. The inscription read as follows: HERE IN THE ISLE OF AVALON LIES BURIED THE RENOWNED KING ARTHUR, WITH GUINEVERE, HIS SECOND WIFE ...What is now known as Glastonbury used, in ancient times, to he called the Isle of Avalon. It is virtually an island, for it is completely surrounded by marshlands. In Welsh it is called 'Ynys Avallon', which means the Island of Apples and this fruit used to grow there in great abundance. After the Battle of Camlann, a noblewoman called Morgan, who was the ruler and patroness of these parts as well as being a close blood-relation of King Arthur, carried him off to the island, now known as Glastonbury, so that his wounds could be cared for. Years ago the district had also been called 'Ynys Gutrin' in Welsh, that is the Island of Glass, and from these words the invading Saxons later coined the place-name 'Glastingebury.' The word 'glass' in their language means 'vitrum' in Latin, and bury' means 'castrum' or 'civitas'. So now we know ! Regards, Ivor. P.S. Many thanks to everyone for their reports from Castle Howard - it really is the next best thing to being there (my sunglasses are particularly envious, BTW, Andrew !) n.p. Mogul Thrash (amazing what you can find, even in tiny shops in the depths of Wales !) ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:58:10 +0100 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Grey Lagoons Defended... SimonG gharsts my flabber: > A great live song, but the weakest track on FYP (sorry Reecey). Now I really know it's silly season on the list !! Surely not *another* nay-sayer for that gem of a song with its distinctive 'chocolate-and-barbed-wire' harmonica/bass solo and blistering guitar playing ??? Anyway, there are simply NO weak tracks on The Greatest Album Ever Made (tm) although I'll concede that 'Strictly Confidential' can be a tad 'difficult' if one is not in the right mood...(it's not ideal listening while driving down the M4 in the pouring rain with a fractious child in the back seat, for instance !) > But why on earth he re-recorded Re-Make/Re-Model I'll never know! That arrangement is very similar to how Roxy played it on the Siren tour though. What has always horrified me is that so many of the band were involved in this track ! Hearing this arrangement played live is a truly sobering experience. > Is it true that Andy Mackay based his solo in 2HB on As Time Goes By? A saxophonist of our acquaintance reckons so... Regards, Ivor ('For Your Pleasure Man', formerly 'Prog-Rock Man') n.p. Beck 'Midnite Vultures' ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:08:29 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] South Downs >>> "C.H.Sötemann" 08/30 1:13 pm >>> >By the way, "South Downs" on the 1995 box set is >an outtake, not the B-side version, is it? Or have all of you skipped >that track? I like it Sorry to disappoint, but the box set version of South Downs is the same version, just backwards. That whole CD4 of the box is one big disappointment. This is why: The Numberer - mono, mastered from vinyl Your Application's Failed - mastered from vinyl Sultanesque - mastered from vinyl and the end is cut off Manifesto - a completely different mix to the original b side version. And why no FYP live? OK, we're 5 years down the line, but it still annoys me!! Never mind all the little mastering errors, and the inclusion of India on disc 4. Why not To Turn You On, which I am told is a different mix on the b side of Jealous Guy (yet to check that out though). Bah! SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:32:56 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Grey Lagoons Defended... And I shall defend "Sultanesque" with nothing more than the fact that I like it! So there! ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:54:37 +0100 From: Peter Dewey Subject: Re: [AVALON] South Downs A few points, The To Turn You On B-side is a completely different mix from the album version, Simon. I agree with Reecey completely about the omission of Grey Lagoons, great song. And I know that the Early Years release is "full", as they have had to cut a number, but it was a good opportunity to include FYP live, which is (I think) the only Roxy official release (excepting possibly a remix or 2) not to be released on CD. But what are the chances of a remastering of disc 4 of TTOIA? Yours in an anorak - -- Peter Dewey ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:11:13 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] HBO's G-string Divas Woe, Helen. Your post just jogged my memory! Last evening, ABC ran an advertisement for "Dharma and Greg" (The same show that has had Bob Dylan and kdlang as guests this past season - playing themselves.). The score in the ad was "As Time Goes By" sung by, you guessed it - Bryan Ferry! Ya, good to hear! Also good to hear of rain in the foothills of the Sierras, it really is needed. Best wishes, KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:13:26 GMT From: "Therese O'Donnell" Subject: RE: [AVALON]outrage I'm sorry but how can anyone criticise 'Strictly Confidential'? This is a great song that has made my spine tingle every time I have heard it in the last 15 years! Therese (in a pique) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:15:46 EDT From: Doll819@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Origins of Avalon (cont'd) Hey Ivor! You, & your remarkable insight, have been greatly missed! Welcome back! ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:22:10 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Sad, so sad. Tom forces: "...so now it's time for you to come clean. Where does all of this "hypothetically" put stuff come from. Either name your source or get off the soap box. Btw, I don't believe for a minute that your getting it from Gareth and I doubt very much if anyone else will believe that so come on give those who have to suffer your poison little posts your story or stop wasting everybody's time." As you wish, Tom. And just for the record, what God given right do you have to demand that I share my collection of sources with you! NO, you will never learn my sources. Please read the next post "House Of Cards, Room One". I start with this as it sets the scene. (Funny, how items like these have magically appeared in my mailbox since last winter.) The item is in its original form, only the email address has been deleted to protect the innocent: ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:24:21 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: [AVALON] House Of Cards. Room One - -----Original Message----- From: gareth mc ginley To (deleted) Date: Thursday, April 27, 2000 7:10 PM Subject: The traitor amongst us >Whether you’ve guessed it or not I’d like to confess to being the Judas in >the pack. Even if they might sound very shallow, my deepest apologies do go >out to everyone here for betraying your trust, especially to John O’Brien >who was kind enough to provide me with this recording. When fingers started >getting pointed at other people it was obvious that I’d have to come clean. >There was always hope that things might just blow over. > >I met Jim Lawn at Newcastle in December. He told me that Ferry would be >coming to Dublin and Belfast over the next few months. I live in Belfast >and suggested that we meet up during the tour. Jim rang me a few times over >the next few weeks and it eventually transpired that Ferry would only be >playing Dublin. Nonetheless he was still pretty keen on a visit to Belfast. > He flew over on the last Thursday of March. I didn’t tell anyone on the >list because, as Tom says, any friend of Jim’s seems to be regarded with >suspicion here. He kindly brought me over all the remasters, and a lot of >unreleased studio and video material (including Horoscope). We had a great >day here in Belfast laughing, drinking, eating and talking about all things >Ferry/ Roxy. He even discussed a few personal problems that he currently >has so was it *SO* wrong for me to start thinking of him as a friend? We >discussed a lot of bootlegged stuff, including things like APS and the >Meltdown performances and Jim seemed very relaxed about it all. It was just >like two old mates meeting up for a yarn. I didn’t intend to tell him about >Horoscope but after quite a few drinks it was just another topic of >conversation. I honestly didn’t think he’d mind at all, especially >considering how hospitable I’d been to him. But I was wrong and he got >really mad. He said that the Box Set would be suspended, that Ferry would >never do a convention now, that Ferry would be much more distant to the fans >in future, that Ferry has viewed the mailing list and has not been at all >impressed with what he’s seen etc. He started speaking bitterly about >people on Avalonia, said that it was full of bootleggers and that this >recording would be all over the place in no time. He demanded to know who >was handing out the tape. Eventually I told him it was Andy because he was >taking it for granted that it was John O’Brien. I told him that only six >people had a copy and that we were keeping it quiet (I don’t know how he >found out that 20 people actually have a copy). He guessed three of the >Horoscopeans (Martin, Tom, and John) based on the fact that I’m friendly >with these people. I named one other Horoscopean as well but can’t recall >who. > >I took him back to Donegal for the weekend where my parents went out of >their way to entertain him. I showed him Horoscope. He wanted to take it >back with him but I made it clear that this was not on. He wanted to see >any other bootlegs that I had. I hid most of them including ASSH2 (with the >unreleased stuff). I showed him APS which he watched with a raised eyebrow >throughout, and I played the Meltdown tracks for him. He flew back on the >Monday, bringing the unreleased stuff with him. Never again. > >I honestly feel very ashamed and embarrassed over all of this. The only >defence that I can offer is that there wasn’t any malice intended at all. >It was more naivety on my part than anything else. I well and truly now >know how cut-throat the music industry is. The saddest thing of all is that >incidences like this just kill the passion for the music. However that >doesn’t take away from the fact that if I’d kept my mouth shut then none of >this would have happened. If I’m not welcome on this list anymore and if >the Dublin concert attendees would prefer to keep their distance then that’s >understandable. Avalonia has always been a very enjoyable pastime for me >but life could/ would go on without it. > >Regards, > >Gareth Following post, The Study Room, discussed this a bit, please continue. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:29:23 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Sad, so sad. "private information about Jim Lawn health"? He wrote about it on bryanferry.com many months ago! His "health" as been anything but private. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:35:50 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: [AVALON] The Study Room My problem with Lawn and Wallace is their throw-away attitude toward others. Gareth has taken responsibility for his actions. Lawn was in the thick of Horoscope's initial distribution (long before Andy scored it on the open market, introducing it to Avalon), I am appalled that JL has abused his "position of trust" with Ferry to obtain rarities and collectibles at the expense of his employer and others. Wallace, is a piece of work, too. At the time of Lawn's accusation regarding Avalonian profiteering there were approx. 20 who knew of Horoscope's existence and were in possession. Gareth was not the one who told Lawn that bit of info. It was Wallace! All for the sake of continuing hope of receiving little morsels that Lawn might drop his way, in reward. There are those in our ranks who support Tom for the tiny crumbs he may pass on to them. Sad, but true sycophantic behavior based in greed. I've no argument with anyone other than Lawn and Wallace, if they had only dropped pretenses and had come clean. But they would not - they are gutless. So I doggedly snip at them whenever they present the opportunity. If no one says anything, well, I'm sorry but I have a Nazi Holocaust Survivor's attitude as it relates to those who would look the other way - complicity through silence is abhorrent. I take great personal offense to their farce - any harm they do to any Avalonian is an assault upon our group. I understand the reasons others give when explaining their desire to not be directly involved. (That is not to say I agree with their reasons.) But items keep appearing in my mailbox, and since I am squeaky clean and not intimidated by your character assassinations.... Who can you trust, Tom? When the TomLawn house of cards falls dragging this list with it, remember to thank JL who unwittingly "knee jerked" and spitefully, openly made a foolish accusation about Avalon List Members on bryanferry.com, a public announcement for the world to see - including those whose financial concerns were directly violated when Horoscope (PRE-RELEASE STUDIO MATERIAL) was first illegally distributed to the public. This is unfortunate, Tom Wallace could have been such a nice addition to the List given his knowledge of BF/Roxy Music. There was no reason for Jim Lawn to make public accusations about Avalonians' profiteering. The appropriate channel would have been to approach Ferry, Virgin and their counsels and have them deal with the issue. But he couldn't - all roads lead back to him. And Wallace is the traitor among us. I hope this has helped clear the air for you. Tom, there is more to force, if you wish. Best wishes, KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:41:41 +0800 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] South Downs I can smell "High Fidelity" here! :-)) How come that Cusack fellow got the part in the film and not one of the highly competent people (men/boys) in this list?? /Kicki G >A few points, > >The To Turn You On B-side is a completely different mix from the album >version, Simon. > >I agree with Reecey completely about the omission of Grey Lagoons, great >song. > >And I know that the Early Years release is "full", as they have had to >cut a number, but it was a good opportunity to include FYP live, which >is (I think) the only Roxy official release (excepting possibly a remix >or 2) not to be released on CD. > >But what are the chances of a remastering of disc 4 of TTOIA? > >Yours in an anorak >-- >Peter Dewey > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing >selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon - -------------------------- http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG http://www.avalon.pp.se ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:08:07 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] High Fidelity I saw the film on Sunday, and Cusack has got really strange eyes, especially the lashes. I've read the book a couple of times and I always imagined "Rob" to be older, but I have to admit that during the record shop scenes I was seeing how many record sleeves I could recognise. I didn't keep a tally, and I didn't make a "Top 5" either!! And despite several reviews, the film transfers quite well to a stateside setting. What is interesting is the (belated) review and appraisal in the new edition of Record Collector magazine. All I can say is "GET A LIFE"!!! SimonG >>> Kicki Gustafsson 08/30 9:41 am >>> I can smell "High Fidelity" here! :-)) How come that Cusack fellow got the part in the film and not one of the highly competent people (men/boys) in this list?? /Kicki G ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:08:11 -0700 From: Betsy Fowler Subject: [AVALON] Shopping to Roxy Last week I chose my veggies to the tune of "Remake/Remodel" in a local health-food store (you know, one of those places where the creature manning the till has three colors of hair and multiple piercings, and moves very slowly). It all seemed right somehow. Our local telephone company regularly plays "Avalon" to soothe angry callers waiting on the customer service line. On the whole, I'd rather see Roxy/BF return to mainstream radio. Betsy ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:39:45 +0800 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: [AVALON] Avalon updated Sweetiepies, http://www.avalon.op.se has been updated. With the exception of Castle Howard, all the reviews should now be added to the reviewsection of the site. If someone has written a review that I've missed, _don't hesitate to mail me_ and I'll add it for you. I'm editing the Castle Howard reviews, and I hope I'll be able to add them to the site at the end of this week. As for member profiles: People on this list sometimes ask me why they can't find their name on the Avalonsite when they are s*bscribers to Avalon. Well, you see darlings, and I'm sorry if this isn't clear when visiting the site: The member profiles on the site are there because _the people who wrote them_ wanted it. I don't automatically add a persons name to the site - you have to take the first step yourself and write the profile yourself. If you DO NOT want to add your profile and think it is an utterly silly idea to present yourself like this on the web just because you s*bscribe to a mailinglist, you of course don't have do to a single thing. Your own cuddly webmistress (no mudflinging here!) /Kicki G - -------------------------- http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG http://www.avalon.pp.se ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:59:28 +0200 From: "Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest" Subject: [AVALON] The private room KB I'm sick and tired of your total lack of style What gives you the right to bring in facts about his health as part of a 'discussion'? Even if it was on that site I think you must respect his privacy. But respect isn't written in your dictionary I guess. Or did Gareth asked you to sent his post to this list? There's only one room from which your posting came from: the toilet. If I were you I would walk out....(in style isn't possible anymore.) Han - ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: KB Porter Aan: Verzonden: woensdag 30 augustus 2000 16:29 Onderwerp: Re: [AVALON] Sad, so sad. > "private information about Jim Lawn health"? > > He wrote about it on bryanferry.com many months ago! His "health" as > been anything but private. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing > selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:41:47 +0100 From: thom.wallace@net.ntl.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Sad, so sad. KB Porter wrote: > As you wish, Tom. And just for the record, what God given right do you > have to demand that I share my collection of sources with you! NO, you > will never learn my sources. If you keep going on and on making the accusations then it is up to you to produce some proof. I don't think that your brand of hear say actually does that. As for your "Study Room" posting, well all that reads like the obsessive ramblings of a troubled mind. If that is what your tirades have been based on then I suggest that you should seek some help. Furthermore I would say that if you don't name the person who has supposedly been mailing you all of your so called evidence then I would have to think that most folk will take it that you have a very active and spiteful mind. Keep posting if you must, but do you realize just how big of an embarrassment you are making of yourself? It's strange, but even though I have been the victim of your continual on line attacks I still feel pity for you. Do what you will, I have nothing to fear. Tom. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:06:41 +0100 From: "the siren" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Sad Day For Avalon I love the music and stuff and have really enjoyed meeting up with people at concerts etc. But the static...? It's a shame. Surely the kill-file technology can come to our aid? I'll try and master it this weekend. BTW, welcome to all the new members. Jane & Chris wrote: > A sad day indeed. I met Richard (and his sister) briefly at Castle Howard > for the first time and it's a shame to think that he'll no longer > subscribing to the list. I discovered the list at the beginning of May and > was really encouraged to find so many other people sharing my interest in > RM/BF. For the most part it's been fun, amusing, friendly and - most > importantly - informative. I hope it will continue to be so. Of course > people have differences of opinion - that's what makes life so interesting > after all. But please, it's been a great year for Ferry fans. Don't let's > lose sight of that. I fully appreciate that I've joined the list when > there's a lot to comment on, but I'm sure the end of the current (UK) tour > doesn't mean the end of constructive discussion. > > Can a (relative) newcomer make a plea for a return to our main topic and > avoid any further disillusioned and disenchanted members? > > Best wishes > Jane > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Turner > To: Avalon > Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 9:24 PM > Subject: [AVALON] Sad Day For Avalon > > > > > > > > It's a sad day for this forum when a respected member becomes so > > disenchanted that he feels it necessary to uns*bscribe from the list. > > Richard has never been anything but positive about this list, or the Man > and > > his music. Unlike most here, he has given more than he has taken. What > have > > we become? > > > > Anyway, back to your precious agendas. > > > > Yours, also deeply disenchanted. > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing > > selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing > selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! 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