From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #291 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Monday, August 7 2000 Volume 05 : Number 291 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Foxy Music ["Jane Collard" ] Re: [AVALON] Tom Puzzle ["Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest" ] Re: [AVALON] Foxy Music ["Andrew Shearer" ] Re: [AVALON] Foxy Music ["Jane Collard" ] [AVALON] Foxy Music [Doll819@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] get a life ["Rachel Smither" ] Re: [AVALON] Another Time, Another Place / F&B [thom.wallace@net.ntl.com] [AVALON] What does the word "Avalon" mean? ["Storvik, Ketil" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Foxy Music Today's Mail on Sunday carries, under the hardly original headline "Foxy Music" a full page feature on Otis Ferry and his chosen job as a "whipper in" with a Yorkshire hunt. Otis makes references to a fairly normal upbringing, and the fact that his father didn't force him to stay on at school etc, etc.. The main content of the article will not please those opposed to hunting but it certainly has novelty value. I cannot remember when I last saw a picture of any of Ferry's sons, and Otis comes across well. Best wishes Jane ___________________________________________________________________________ > Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing > selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 12:30:53 +0200 From: "Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Tom Puzzle After the recent discussion about Tom's contacts with Jim Lawn it was obvious that another post on this subject not easily can be seen as humour. I was not surprised by his reaction. And if I was in his position I would be irritated too. If this goes on it's easy to understand that Tom stops to give information that he gets from Jim Lawn. And that why I'm on this list in the first place. I don't mind who gives the information as long as I get it. You'll never miss you water etc... > Tom retorts: "As for what we talk about, what do most people talk > about. Perhaps you lead a more boring life than most, but there are more > things to life than the postings to the list." > Oh dear, Tom, you have no sense of fun, do you. Not able to discern a > genteel nudge on the rib! Oh me oh my. What are we to do with you? > Cranky baby. The line about your frequent posting was in my opinion as funny as your "joke" about the conversation between Tom and Jim Lawn but..... Oh dear, KBporter, you have no sense of fun, do you. Not able to discern a genteel nudge on the rib! Oh me oh my. What are we to do with you? Cranky baby. All the best Han Before you reply....the subject of this mail is NOT Jim Lawn's informationservice! Not again! ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 04:23:31 -0700 From: Ida M Miller Subject: Re: [AVALON] Foxy Music Could I impose upon a Brit to interpret for an American, what is a "whipper in" with a Yorkshire hunt? And, does anyone have the means to scan & post the article and photo for the rest of us to see? Many thanks. Ida Jane Collard wrote: > > Today's Mail on Sunday carries, under the hardly original headline "Foxy > Music" a full page feature on Otis Ferry and his chosen job as a "whipper > in" with a Yorkshire hunt. Otis makes references to a fairly normal > upbringing, and the fact that his father didn't force him to stay on at > school etc, etc.. The main content of the article will not please those > opposed to hunting but it certainly has novelty value. I cannot remember > when I last saw a picture of any of Ferry's sons, and Otis comes across > well. > > Best wishes > Jane ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 11:23:55 GMT From: "Andrew Shearer" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Foxy Music Good call Jane, thanks very much. I think this interview or similar maybe somewhere else too as a friend told me yesterday that she'd read something about BF's son's being connected with fox hunting etc. But she couldn't remember where she'd seen it. Just popping out to get the papers then... Andrew >From: "Jane Collard" >Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org >To: >Subject: Re: [AVALON] Foxy Music >Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 09:41:59 +0100 > >Today's Mail on Sunday carries, under the hardly original headline "Foxy >Music" a full page feature on Otis Ferry and his chosen job as a "whipper >in" with a Yorkshire hunt. Otis makes references to a fairly normal >upbringing, and the fact that his father didn't force him to stay on at >school etc, etc.. The main content of the article will not please those >opposed to hunting but it certainly has novelty value. I cannot remember >when I last saw a picture of any of Ferry's sons, and Otis comes across >well. > >Best wishes >Jane > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > > Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing > > selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing >selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 13:19:17 +0100 From: "Jane Collard" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Foxy Music Ida - I needed an interpretation myself! Some Brits have this quaint little habit of chasing foxes across open countryside (on horseback, accompanied by a pack of hounds). To quote from the article, Ferry junior's job involves looking after the hounds on a day to day basis and "means he has to keep the hounds under control during a hunt and ensure they do not get hurt while chasing their quarry". That's about all I can add - clear as mud, eh?! BTW, from the photo Otis looks to have his dad's eyes! Article also has a very dated, height of glam-rock, pic of Bryan, plus a picture of Bryan and Lucy with Otis (aged 2) Best wishes Jane - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ida M Miller To: Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Foxy Music > Could I impose upon a Brit to interpret for an American, what is a > "whipper in" with a Yorkshire hunt? > > > > Ida > > >> > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing > selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 09:02:23 EDT From: Doll819@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Foxy Music Good morning Ida! A whipper in is "a huntsman's assistant who whips in the hounds". Have a fun weekend! Deb ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 16:07:13 +0100 From: "Rachel Smither" Subject: Re: [AVALON] get a life - -----Original Message----- From: kevin routley To: avalon@smoe.org Date: 06 August 2000 15.58 Subject: Re: [AVALON] get a life >come come children .. >the point of the list is information .if some one tells me some think share it . whos interested where it came from . >the average age on this list is round about 35/36. >the last time i heard talk like most members talk about [jim lawn ] and who he talks to on the list .it was in the playground .. >come on get a life theres more to life than bryan ferry /roxy music . >if bryan died tomorrow how many members would die to ? >so come on children grow up. >from kevin [aged 35] > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing >selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > > ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 12:09:38 EDT From: Helchat@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Another Time, Another Place / F&B Hi I just bought ATAP Friday night on CD. I have it on vinyl, but only listened to it twice at the most over 10 years ago. I was amazed to hear ATAP! It was excellent! Needless to say, after nearly 20 years of listening to RM/BF, I am more than happy to have found a "new song" to pour over for a couple of days. I also got the remastered F&B. I don't care for this album very much, but wanted it on CD anyway. I had forgotten about Rain, Rain Rain and No Strange Delight, and enjoyed listening to them again for the first time also in over 10 years. Is anyone out there a fan of either? I would love some feedback on these two albums, either positive or negative. Thanks, Helene ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 12:38:17 EDT From: Tayara1@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ragley, Blickling, TV ad, etc. nothing wrong with housewify people im one and i love brian ferry i just have to work out how to meet up with him in person ,,any ideas? ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 10:48:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Cecilia Subject: Re: [AVALON] Another Time, Another Place / F&B Hi Helene, F&B is the second RM CDs I bought and I always liked it (it came as a surprise to me that F&B is among the RM products less beloved by Avalonians) and still like to listen to songs like Rain, rain, rain over and over again. I like all songs of F&B except for, perhaps, ITMH and MOL. One of the ways one can best appreciate these songs, me think, is listening to them with headphones, walking down Venice streets, best when it's raining. I must add that I'm a "young" fan and I discovered first the new things like Avalon, Boys and Girls, and only afterwards went up to the oldies like Stranded, passing though Manifesto and Siren. I'm sure this way is much easier than the vice versa. I can easily understand that people grown up with pieces like A Song for Europe can hardly accept their fav band playing Rain, rain, rain or Ain't that so. Anyway. I know this is a well discussed theme. It's just a matter of points of view and maybe of years of birth. Roxy have different faces and each one is appreciated on this list. - -12 to CH ! Cecilia - --- Helchat@aol.com wrote: > I also got the remastered F&B. I don't care for this album very > much, but > wanted it on CD anyway. I had forgotten about Rain, Rain Rain and > No Strange > Delight, and enjoyed listening to them again for the first time > also in over > 10 years. > > Is anyone out there a fan of either? I would love some feedback on > these two > albums, either positive or negative. > > Thanks, > > Helene __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 18:54:53 GMT From: "Andrew Shearer" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Foxy Music - Here's the text... ...I've tried to send the pictures as attachments but I can't get it to work. Sorry. Andrew Why rock star Bryan Ferry’s son Otis rejected his father's lifestyle to be a whipper-in to a Yorkshire hunt. By Lisa Adiam IT'S not the job most 17-year-old boys would relish - up to your knees in muck 12 hours a day in a dog kennel for rotten pay.But then Otis Ferry is a rather unusual teenager. Which is why the son of the former Roxy Music frontman has eschewed the trappings of his father Bryan's fame and fortune for a simpler lifestyle. The former Marlborough College pupil works as the second whipper-in for the Middleton Hunt in Birdsall, North Yorkshire, where he looks after 100 hounds from the crack of dawn each day. For Otis reckons the thrill of the hunt 'beats anything else in the world'. 'People who love hunting just live for it, even though it's terribly paid,' he says. 'For six months it's also very hard work - and very foul work. But when the season comes around, it's brilliant. And that's your reward.' Otis joined the Middleton Hunt - one of England's 'very few top packs'- in March after leaving school last summer following his GCSES. A typical day has him up at 5.30 to clean the kennels, swilling the yards and changing bedding. At seven o'clock, he gets on his bike and takes the pack out for three hours of exercise before returning to the kennels for more hard work. 'Serving the hunt can mean a very physical day,' he says. 'It was quite a plunge from a cosy dorin at Marlborough.' Unsurprisingly, there are those in the farming community around Birdsall who find Otis's chosen profession an unlikely one, given his father's fame. 'I'll be in the knackering yard hauling lumps of flesh and the farmers say, "What the hell are you doing here when you should be lying in luxury somewhere?" People seem to think that because you're a pop star's son you should keep your hands clean. But 1 hate the city - 1 could never work in an office.' It's certainly a million miles from the heady lifestyle of father Bryan, who donned a white tuxedo for the celebrated cover of his 1974 album, Another Time, Another Place ... and became the rock hero worshipped for his intelligent music and sexy good looks as the lead singer of Roxy Music. He famously dated Jerry Hall who dumped him for Mick Jagger- drove vintage sports cars and allowed himself to be photographed by the likes of Tatler. And ever since he has epitomised cool, whether lounging around the hotel pool in full evening dress or sunning himself in St @opez - the Lothario surrounded by attractive women. Having a famous dad, however, has never been a big deal for Otis. 'It was hardly an unusual upbringing,' he says. 'There were no famous friends at home - just normal people.' And his father, it appears, didn't object strongly to his son's choice of career. 'I'm not really sure what he thinks about it, but he didn't force me to stay at school,' Otis says. 'After all, he took quite an obscure path when he was young not many people get their own band.' Otis's mother Lucy's family is'100 per cent country', with his maternal grandfather encouraging his love of fishing. His father Bryan, a Newcastle miner's son, also comes from a rural background - and Otis displayed an early love of country pursuits. 'I've always been interested in field sports. I started fishing when 1 was seven, progressed to shooting at 13 and for the last three years it's been hunting. 'When I was young I wanted to go to the local grammar school because it was next to where the gamekeeper worked. I thought I could finish school at 3pm and spend the rest of my tiine there but I wasn't allowed to.' But Marlborough College did not disappoint. It allows pupils to fish and to hunt with beagles - and Otis became a familiar sight striding around in flat cap and wellies. 'Marlborough is one of the best schools and I enjoyed it very much. But I knew I wanted to get into hunting and to do it early,' Otis says. His present job as second whipper-in means he has to keep the hounds under control during a hunt and ensure they do not get hurt while chasing their quarry. Otis hopes to progress through the ranks to a first whipper-in or kennel huntsman - and finally a huntsman. And he'll pursue his goal even if Labour succeeds in its attempt to ban hunting - an issue which infuriates him. 'Farming and hunting people don't try to do Tony Blair's job,' he says. 'Blair should stick to what he does in Downing Street. 'It's ridiculous to try to ban hunting. Who else is going to know to deal with the animals better than the people who do it?' Should hunting with dogs ever be banned in this country - and Otis does not believe it will be - he will go to Ireland to continue his career. 'I actually think it's quite amusing that 1 should be doing something else entirely,' he says. 'I'm quite pleased in a way.' ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 22:03:41 +0100 From: "Philip Adams" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Another Time, Another Place / F&B Is it a year now since the Ferry catelogue was remastered. I've been collecting them over the last 12 and it is amazing to go back and re-visit the 70's stuff. ATAP stands up after 25 years , as does TFT. Its a bit like rediscovering the songs and remembering the person I was at the time. Ferry's songs and interpretations have never dated. And to listen to the title track of ATAP is spooky. Not forgetting The In crowd, Fingerpoppin' and the rest. As for Flesh & Blood, still a great album but I prefer going back to Manifesto for that period. Its a mature, cool album and Spin Me Round I had virtually forgotten. Those tracks that did'nt go to "The Thrill of it All" are the ones you miss. ["Serenade" a good example] 'nuff rambling Philip ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 00:33:46 +0100 From: "Richard Swift" Subject: [AVALON] UK Chart "Slave to Love" spends its fourth week in the UK Top 20 at 19 this week. Richard ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 01:49:53 +0100 From: thom.wallace@net.ntl.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Another Time, Another Place / F&B Hi Helene, I have always enjoyed F&B. It was my favorite from the later Roxy albums and I've always rated MOL and RW amongst my favorite Roxy songs from that period. In the case of Oh Yeah I always saw it as a fairly weak number untill it was performed by Bryan on the current tour. After hearing the fans singing along at the recent shows I've had to review the way I think about this track. When ATAP came out in '74 I really loved it, but it hasn't worn well to my ears, though it does have some real classics in The In Crowd, Another Time Another Place and It Ain't Me Babe. Again hearing Smoke Get's In Your Eyes on this tour has certainly given it a boost in my mind. I had always prefered Ferry's version of You Go To My Head when it came to this kind of track. Both of these albums tend to be over looked when the fans get down to listing their favorites, but were both very influencial in their day and still do containe some fine work. Cheers, Tom. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 09:29:24 +0200 From: "Storvik, Ketil" Subject: [AVALON] What does the word "Avalon" mean? ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V5 #291 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest