From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #277 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, July 26 2000 Volume 05 : Number 277 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] 1 Artist Thread Alert ["Tim Kendrick" ] [AVALON] T-Shirt ["Rob Edwards" ] Re: [AVALON] 1 Artist Thread Alert [Amethysts9@aol.com] [AVALON] Artist Thread Alert [Hank Szlenkier ] Re: [AVALON] Artist Thread Alert ["Elio Lopez" ] Re: [AVALON] Satchmo (a bit shorter...) ["Ivor Canning" ] [AVALON] Artist Thread [jas2347@xsite.net] RE: [AVALON] Perfumed Sigh video [Robert Whiteford Subject: Re: [AVALON] 1 Artist Thread Alert - -----Original Message----- From: JFROXY@aol.com To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] 1 Artist Thread Alert >In a message dated 25/07/00 05:33:13 GMT Daylight Time, tim63@earthlink.net >writes: > ><< he lays out everything that was to come since, as well as > doing it > better than anyone else.. >> > >Uh, so Kiss, The Tubes, Alice Cooper, etc., etc. are all indebted to a, long >time dead, black trumpeter (see also the ridiculously overrated Miles Davis)? >Well, you learn something new every day! Deary me, I've heard some tripe in >my time, but that takes the biscuit. Absolutely. Everything in popular music owes something to Armstrong, even if the players don't know it. Even if you don't know it, which you obviously don't. This is not tripe. It is absolute historical truth. I have heard some tripe in my time, too. Kiss, Tubes, Alice Cooper. But we shouldn't BLAME Louis for his influence being so huge that it has led to plenty of crap too. Incidentally, what has Armstrong's skin colour got to do with it? Tim ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 22:24:32 +0100 From: "Rob Edwards" Subject: [AVALON] T-Shirt I had a T-shirt made up the other week with the cover of Country Life on (in the centre, CD size). I know it's not legal or anything but to my way of thinking I have the LP/CD 5 times so I thought, hey!! they owe me one indulgence. It's funny and maybe a little Roxy/Ferry selfish but friend's (male and female) of mine said that they found ALL the Roxy sleeves "unattractive". Having grown up with the idea that they were the icon type images I was so offended! "How can you not appreciate these images?" I asked. Whilst acknowledging that they can be looked upon as sexist I was more than a little stunned. I have seen a number of books that take a look at album covers in the past and I clearly remember Roxy Music, Stranded and Country Life being listed amongst the more critically acclaimed covers. Are they sexist / offensive / out of date?????? ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 18:04:37 EDT From: Amethysts9@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] 1 Artist Thread Alert Probably Dean Martin. Although Billie Holiday runs a very close second. Anne In a message dated 7/23/00 3:21:57 PM, eman96@gte.net writes: >If you you could not listen to any RM/BF related material or artists; what > >one artist would you choose as your back up DID artist? > >ZZ Top??? >e ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:34:02 -0400 From: Hank Szlenkier Subject: [AVALON] Artist Thread Alert If I couldn't listen to the Maestro, then I would choose Humble Pie. Steve Mariott was a "gas". I really enjoyed his brash personality as well as his hard hitting, bluesy music. Too bad he suffered such an untimely and horrific death at the other end of a bottle. Hank Szlenkier ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 21:09:12 -0400 From: "Elio Lopez" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Artist Thread Alert - ----- Original Message ----- From: Hank Szlenkier To: Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 7:34 PM Subject: [AVALON] Artist Thread Alert > > Steve Mariott was a "gas". I really enjoyed his brash personality as > well as his hard hitting, bluesy music. Too bad he suffered such an > untimely and horrific death at the other end of a bottle. > > Alas, the story's even sadder than that. Back in the eighties I was doing some studio work with 2 brothers who'd worked with Steve in Texas. They told me that Steve, at that time, had been reduced to playing small bars with pick-up bands. he'd lost everything and was dependent on groupies and friends for food, transportation, and sometimes lodging. It's a shame. he was a great rock shouter in the Robert Plant tradition. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing > selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 02:42:33 +0100 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Satchmo (a bit shorter...) Tim misjudges me: > And Ivor gets cross: > >No offence Tim, but this is an insidious observation No, I'm just enjoying the discussion !! I was actually using 'insidious' in the sense of (consults dictionary...) 'proceeding or progressing inconspicuously but harmfully' - in this case what I felt was a line of reasoning which could just as well be used *against* your position. > I would argue seriously, however, that, in purely musical terms, jazz tends to be more interesting. Hmm, that's still very subjective. If we accept for a moment the dubious merit of categories, 'jazz' can be just as interesting or boring as any other genre of music. For me, that which begat Art Blakey and Miles Davis also spawned Kenny G. You pays yer money... Of course those who like, and are familiar with, the elements that popularly characterise jazz will tend to favour (and more widely tolerate) music exhibiting those characteristics. Ultimately, though I prefer to think of all music as being on a continuum, from 'good' (I like it) to 'bad' (I don't). > After all, the immediate springboard for rock was R&B which was a > simplified version of jazz. Hmm, R&B always struck me as being closer to blues (a folk music emphasising 'the song') and '30s swing than contemporary bop jazz (by that time becoming an art-music with an emphasis on instrumental virtuosity). > But the emotional quality of Jazz is almost always less easy, less direct, > more emotionally complex. Somewhat of a generalisation but I'll accept that jazz since bebop has tended to be less 'direct' and 'easy' to the unfamiliar listener, which some people will of course interpret as 'cold' and 'emotionless' or as 'head' not 'heart' music. BTW Isn't 'emotionally complex' a bit of an oxymoron ? S;^) > The great symbol of Jazz is Louis Armstrong. The great symbol of rock, > still, is Elvis, who was of course essentially a white blues singer. But whose music touched more people and who was personally more influential on future music makers ? > Which is not to say I don't like Elvis! Well, I don't and I'm more than happy to admit it !! (In fact, the same goes for most 'rock'n'roll' icons...) Diff'rent strokes. Regards, Ivor. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 04:01:16 GMT From: "mark shanahan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] T-Shirt >From: "Rob Edwards" >I had a T-shirt made up the other week with the cover of Country Life on >(in the centre, CD size). [snip] but friend's >(male and female) of mine said that they found ALL the Roxy sleeves >"unattractive". Having grown up with the idea that they were the icon type >images I was so offended! "How can you not appreciate these images?" >[snip] hey rob, i'm right there with you (btw - you've given me an idea ...). an often underrated aspect to the entire roxy catalog, IMO. i think it's hard ... for some people to appreciate, solely based on the covers' merits, if you didn't grow up with it AND the music. >Whilst acknowledging that they can be looked upon as sexist I was >more than a little stunned. [snip] Are they sexist / offensive / out of >date?????? for my money, they're absolutely - *absolutely* timeless. oh, screw 'dated' and 'sexist' - i think they're beautiful and very sexy. personally, i don't think ferry was being "sexist" when he designed said covers (MO). and - didn't he get some input from people like price anyway? no, no, no - these people need to be educated (the friends in question). just send them here ... er, wait a minute. oh, sure - why not - we're not exactly over-crowded just *yet*. we'll have a philosophical discourse as to exactly WHY these covers are works of sexual beauty (and amusement) in the pop culture sense, etc., etc (oh - and how it relates to oldenburg and picasso). it'll make this JAZZ thing pale in comparison. sure - we'll lose some people - but what's new? and - all the more graphic the better, i say ... blip-blip .... wop-bop-boo-loo-bop (er, something along those lines) peaces/ms p.s. - the REAL 'did' artist? ... it's a toss-up between marilyn monroe and paul robeson. i just can't choose. damn! ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 01:28:49 -0500 From: jas2347@xsite.net Subject: [AVALON] Artist Thread Subject: Re: [AVALON] 1 Artist Thread Without a doubt- James Marshal Hendrix. 30 years after his death, he still has a hold on me. I can't nor won't let go. Jas ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 23:54:34 +0100 From: Robert Whiteford Subject: RE: [AVALON] Perfumed Sigh video Lorelei Laura writes [] . One or two of the films from Australia and the US have less perfect sound quality [] These are some of Ferry's most fascinating insights - even mentioning his sister Ann in one interview and realising almost straight away he had gone further than he would normally do. Tremendous stuff and thanks to all involved in producing this Rob ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! 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