From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #276 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Tuesday, July 25 2000 Volume 05 : Number 276 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] RE : 1 Artist thread ["Johnny Reece" ] [AVALON] Can you go to far? ["Grant Goggans" ] [AVALON] Re: Avalon Ballroom ,8 Mi. High [MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfan] Re: [AVALON] Can you go too far? ["Simon Galloway" ] Re: [AVALON] 1 Artist Thread Alert ["Tim Kendrick" ] Re: [AVALON] 1 Artist Thread [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] 1 Artist Thread [terry.lane@rs-components.com] Re: [AVALON] Artist Thread [KB Porter ] [AVALON] excerpts ["Therese O'Donnell" ] Re: [AVALON] The Explorers [Daniel Atterbom ] Re: [AVALON] Artist Thread [Daniel Atterbom ] Re: [AVALON] 1 Artist Thread Alert ["Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest" ] Re: [AVALON] Artist Thread ["mark shanahan" ] Re: [AVALON] 1 Artist Thread Alert ["Tim Kendrick" ] Re: [AVALON] 1 Artist Thread Alert ["Tim Kendrick" ] [AVALON] R.I.P./reincarnation ["Simon Galloway" ] RE: [AVALON] R.I.P./reincarnation ["Turner, Chris (cturner)" ] Re: [AVALON] 1 Artist Thread Alert ["Tim Kendrick" ] Re: [AVALON] thin white juke - R.I.P./reincarnation ["Andrew Shearer" ] Re: [AVALON] 1 Artist Thread Alert ["Martin Stockman" ] Re: [AVALON] The Explorers ["sjaak" ] Re: [AVALON] Satchelmouth (a bit long...) ["Ivor Canning" ] Re: [AVALON] Satchelmouth (a bit long...) ["Tim Kendrick" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 09:38:06 +0100 From: "Johnny Reece" Subject: [AVALON] RE : 1 Artist thread Very tricky one, this, but loyalty to the faves from growing up must win through, so it has to be T.Rex. It had to be something truly amazing to knock Bolan off his perch for me, which came in the form of FYP, at the time. Yours, still Glam, Reecey... ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 06:47:54 EDT From: "Grant Goggans" Subject: [AVALON] Can you go to far? >Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 13:43:59 +0100 >From: "Simon Galloway" >Subject: [AVALON] Can you go to far? > >OK, I can admit to having at least one version of every UK single (the two >different label designs of Pyjamarama, replacements for knackered ones >ect), a handfull of foreign sleeves, all the albums three times (vinyl, the >first Virgin cd reissues, and last years cd remasters) except for the >compilations, Taxi, Mamouna and ATGB. > >But then I've only dipped my toe into the subsequent solo ventures (with >the exception of Bryan). I've got a couple of Manzanera lp's (yes, vinyl) >and all of Eno's 70s work. I have avoided Andy Mackay's solo stuff, Rock >Follies and The Explorers (give me one good reason why). Because "You Go Up in Smoke" is the silliest, most pretentious song of the 80s (other than everything in Midge Ure's canon, of course), and no collection is complete without it's ridiculous, overblown, pretentious charm. Grant Goggans Read GMS Legion, Georgia's fastest growing small press comic! It's the best idea since bread! "http://ggoggans.home.mindspring.com/cx.html" My AIM screen name is "GMSLegion." Look me up. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 06:32:45 -0500 (CDT) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty) Subject: [AVALON] Re: Avalon Ballroom ,8 Mi. High Thanks , Heather for sending the CD's. Listened to A. Ballroom last night,very good.can't wait to hear the other. Ida, hopefully yours will arrive today, as mine did make it yesterday. Marlana..................... ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 13:09:35 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Can you go too far? >>> "Grant Goggans" 07/25 11:47 am >>> SimonG wrtote >>The Explorers (give me one good reason why). Grant wrote >Because "You Go Up in Smoke" is the silliest, most pretentious song of the >80s (other than everything in Midge Ure's canon, of course), and no >collection is complete without it's ridiculous, overblown, pretentious charm. My collection will forever be incomplete!!! :-) SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 08:17:53 -0400 From: "Tim Kendrick" Subject: Re: [AVALON] 1 Artist Thread Alert >> If you you could not listen to any RM/BF related material or artists; what >> one artist would you choose as your back up DID artist? Louis Armstrong, particularly the Hot Fives and Sevens ( WEST END BLUES is the best record I have ever heard.) But nearly anything by Armstrong will do. But boy, would I miss Bessie Smith and Billie Holiday and Sinatra and Ben Webster and ... Enough! Enough! Tim ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 09:21:35 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] 1 Artist Thread Bob Marley ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:26:16 +0100 From: terry.lane@rs-components.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] 1 Artist Thread David Bowie 1970 - 1985 Terry *************************************************************** The contents of this Email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. The views stated herein do not necessarily represent the view of the company. If you are not the intended recipient of this Email you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this mail in error please Email the sender. *************************************************************** ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 09:41:14 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Artist Thread << Mine would definetly be Talking Heads. Kicki G >> Mine too! More specific - David Byrne. I previously replied "Bob Marley" as I thought the One Artist was not to be related (musically) to Bryan Ferry.... Still, Bob Marley was a marvelous musician and lyricist, a real loss when he died. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:40:33 +0100 From: "Therese O'Donnell" Subject: [AVALON] excerpts I'm having to work from home today as I'm waiting for the plumber to come .. such is the Rock'n'Roll lifestyle I lead. Anyway for those of you slogging away at work an old episode of 'Bergerac' is on the telly and in the 'classy bar' scene just seen a moment ago 'Don't Stop the Dance' was playing - sigh is it really all that long ago? And for those of you who are interested - the Bureau des Etrangers is still fighting crime effectively in vintage cars. Ta Ta Therese - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Kendrick" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] 1 Artist Thread Alert > >> If you you could not listen to any RM/BF related material or artists; > what > >> one artist would you choose as your back up DID artist? > > Louis Armstrong, particularly the Hot Fives and Sevens ( WEST END BLUES > is the best record I have ever heard.) But nearly anything by Armstrong will > do. > > But boy, would I miss Bessie Smith and Billie Holiday and Sinatra and Ben > Webster and ... Enough! Enough! > > Tim > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing > selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:04:42 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Explorers At 22.36 +0200 0-07-24, sjaak wrote: >The Explorers are........Phil Manzanera, Andy Mackay and James Wraith. > >They've made a album, called "The Explorers" in 1985. >There also are some Maxi-singles and a live CD called "Live At The Palace >(Camden) Do you have a track listing of the livealbum? Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:10:44 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Artist Thread >>On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, David Neuhaus wrote: >> >>> My choice after RM/BF would be XTC >> >>Mine would be Neil Diamond. Or maybe Barry Manilow. So hard to decide. >> >>Colleen >> Kicki G wrote: >Mine would definetly be Talking Heads. Well I liked both XTC and Talking Heads once, having interviewed them. I have nothing against Neil Diamond nor Barry Manilow, but I don't own anything by them. Bowie in the 70's is a good choice, but so is Bob Marley. My choices would be Marvin Gaye and the Temptations. Other CD's I've enjoyed this year are by Richard Ashcroft and Don Henley. It's really hard to pick one (1). Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:50:10 +0200 From: "Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest" Subject: Re: [AVALON] 1 Artist Thread Alert > >> If you you could not listen to any RM/BF related material or artists; > what > >> one artist would you choose as your back up DID artist? Van Morrison or Al Green. Han I'm going to listen to that West end Blues album Tim! I only have this famous Ella and Louis record. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 07:26:29 -0700 From: "Turner, Chris (cturner)" Subject: RE: [AVALON] 1 Artist Thread May he rest in peace... > -----Original Message----- > From: terry.lane@rs-components.com [SMTP:terry.lane@rs-components.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 2:26 PM > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] 1 Artist Thread > > David Bowie 1970 - 1985 > > Terry > > > > *************************************************************** > The contents of this Email and any files transmitted with it > are confidential and intended solely for the use of the > individual or entity to whom it is addressed. The views stated > herein do not necessarily represent the view of the company. > If you are not the intended recipient of this Email you may not > copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it > in any form whatsoever. If you have received this mail in > error please Email the sender. > *************************************************************** > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing > selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 10:29:58 -0400 From: David Subject: Re: [AVALON] 1 Artist Thread Alert What, no Coleman Hawkins? Surely his 1939 recording of Body And Soul must be a completely perfect jazz side- no improvements possible. And the vocalised versions by Eddie Jefferson and Manhattan Transfer aren't bad either. >Louis Armstrong, particularly the Hot Fives and Sevens ( WEST END BLUES is >the best record I have ever heard.) But nearly anything by Armstrong will do. > >But boy, would I miss Bessie Smith and Billie Holiday and Sinatra and Ben >Webster and ... Enough! Enough! > >Tim > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing >selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon Cheers, David CPL593H! (Bryan Ferry, 1972) Check out my website-- http://www.America.net/~davdmock (Shakatak, 80s pop, Atlanta bands, Raymond Chandler, Hamlet) ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:35:42 GMT From: "mark shanahan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Artist Thread >From: Kicki Gustafsson > >On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, David Neuhaus wrote: > > > >> My choice after RM/BF would be XTC > > > >Mine would be Neil Diamond. Or maybe Barry Manilow. So hard to decide. > > > >Colleen > > > >Mine would definetly be Talking Heads. > >Kicki G and mine would have to be barney - the early years. peaces/ms ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 10:44:11 -0400 From: "Tim Kendrick" Subject: Re: [AVALON] 1 Artist Thread Alert Han picked: >Van Morrison or Al Green. Yes, if I was forced to choose an artist from the 'pop' era, it would certainly be Al Green. And I love Morrison too. > >Han > >I'm going to listen to that West end Blues album Tim! I only have this >famous Ella and Louis record. > It's not an album, it's one of the Hot Five tracks from the mid-twenties. They're on five individual cds on Columbia, and this particular song is on volume four, " Louis Armstrong And Earl Hines" - it's not hard to find. Tim > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing >selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > > ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 10:51:42 -0400 From: "Tim Kendrick" Subject: Re: [AVALON] 1 Artist Thread Alert >What, no Coleman Hawkins? Surely his 1939 recording of Body And Soul must >be a completely perfect jazz side- no improvements possible. Absolutely, but I had to stop the list somewhere! I mean, I could add Duke Ellington and Johnny Dodds and Charlie Parker and Art Tatum and Lester Young and Bix and king Oliver and... and STILL not have started! But Armstrong is the key to everything. > >>Louis Armstrong, particularly the Hot Fives and Sevens ( WEST END BLUES is >>the best record I have ever heard.) But nearly anything by Armstrong will do. >> >>But boy, would I miss Bessie Smith and Billie Holiday and Sinatra and Ben >>Webster and ... Enough! Enough! ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:23:15 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] R.I.P./reincarnation Oi! You leave Dame Dave alone. I would have to have him from 1964 - 1984, then 1989 to present day. Living proof that reincarnation is possible!! >>> "Turner, Chris (cturner)" 07/25 3:26 pm >>> May he rest in peace... > -----Original Message----- > From: terry.lane@rs-components.com > David Bowie 1970 - 1985 > > Terry ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 08:33:30 -0700 From: "Turner, Chris (cturner)" Subject: RE: [AVALON] R.I.P./reincarnation It must be to have jumped as many bandwagons as the that guy has... "Yeah, I've been into Art/Acid/Electro/Jungle/Drum n Bass/Grunge/Comb and Paper since its early days..." Chris ;0) > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Galloway [SMTP:SIMONG@jazzfm.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 4:23 PM > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: [AVALON] R.I.P./reincarnation > > Oi! You leave Dame Dave alone. I would have to have him from 1964 - 1984, > then 1989 to present day. Living proof that reincarnation is possible!! > > >>> "Turner, Chris (cturner)" 07/25 3:26 pm >>> > May he rest in peace... > ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:50:29 EDT From: JFROXY@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] 1 Artist Thread Alert In a message dated 25/07/00 04:03:01 GMT Daylight Time, tim63@earthlink.net writes: << But Armstrong is the key to everything.> mmmm............ interesting, how do you come to that conclusion? >>Louis Armstrong, particularly the Hot Fives and Sevens ( WEST END BLUES is >>the best record I have ever heard.) >> What?????? How the hell did you guys ever get round to listening to Roxy? As the late GREAT Frank Zappa once said...."Jazz isn't dead, it just smells bad" JF ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:50:31 +0100 From: "Therese O'Donnell" Subject: Re: [AVALON] 1 Artist Thread My initial thought on the one artist thread was John Lennon (anything) but then I thought of another era - what about Bing Crosby. Then I thought what about Aretha Franklin? Then I thought - give it a rest - and on reading this message you will probably think the same. Therese ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:02:04 -0400 From: Heather James Subject: [AVALON] thin white juke - R.I.P./reincarnation > simon said: > Living proof that reincarnation is possible!! reincarnation? Nope ... more like reanimation! Did you think David got that part in "The Hunger" for his acting talent? -= )-(eather =- >------------------< hjames@thewebgal.com MCC NOVA's Website: http://www.mccnova.com/ Heather's Website: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/ My Roxy Music site: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ >-----------------------------------------------------< Turner, Chris (cturner) wrote: > > It must be to have jumped as many bandwagons as the that guy has... "Yeah, > I've been into Art/Acid/Electro/Jungle/Drum n Bass/Grunge/Comb and Paper > since its early days..." > > Chris ;0) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Simon Galloway [SMTP:SIMONG@jazzfm.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 4:23 PM > > To: avalon@smoe.org > > Subject: [AVALON] R.I.P./reincarnation > > > > Oi! You leave Dame Dave alone. I would have to have him from 1964 - 1984, > > then 1989 to present day. Living proof that reincarnation is possible!! > > > > >>> "Turner, Chris (cturner)" 07/25 3:26 pm >>> > > May he rest in peace... > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:05:43 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: RE: [AVALON] R.I.P./reincarnation Ouch! >>> "Turner, Chris (cturner)" 07/25 4:33 pm >>> It must be to have jumped as many bandwagons as the that guy has... "Yeah, I've been into Art/Acid/Electro/Jungle/Drum n Bass/Grunge/Comb and Paper since its early days..." Chris ;0) > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Galloway > Oi! You leave Dame Dave alone. I would have to have him from 1964 - 1984, > then 1989 to present day. Living proof that reincarnation is possible!! > > >>> "Turner, Chris (cturner)" 07/25 3:26 pm >>> > May he rest in peace... > ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:12:24 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] Bad Smells >>> 07/25 4:50 pm >>> >As the late GREAT Frank Zappa once said...."Jazz isn't dead, it just smells bad" Thanks John! That is a phrase we use often at Jazz FM, infact, it is my boss's screensaver! My screensaver is a loaf of bread. SimonG :-) ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:03:10 -0400 From: "Tim Kendrick" Subject: Re: [AVALON] 1 Artist Thread Alert > But Armstrong is the key to everything.> > >mmmm............ interesting, how do you come to that conclusion? Well, this would be a long discussion if one were to go into it in detail, but Armstrong's status in Jazz and popular music generally is akin to that of Mozart in European Classical music. he lays out everything that was to come since, as well as doing it better than anyone else.. He invented the idea of the improvisational soloist, for a start, and he invented scat and the whole of popular singing. He was the first singer on a record ever ever ever not to be defined by their vocal range . ( 'tenor', 'baritone' etc.) He managed on the hot five records to play a hundred or more improvised solos of an inventiveness which is still unequalled, without repeating so much as a phrase. The richness of his imagination, in simple technical terms, is astonishing. But it also has to do with soulfullness, with profundity. Once you appreciate jazz of this quality, all rock, even the best , yes, even Roxy, even lennon, even Dylan, is comparatively trivial. But look, if you don't understand it you don't understand it. It doesn't need explaining. Like HUCK FINN, if you can't see WHY Armstrong's playing is the stuff of genius, you never will. > > >>Louis Armstrong, particularly the Hot Fives and Sevens ( WEST END BLUES is > >>the best record I have ever heard.) >> > >What?????? How the hell did you guys ever get round to listening to Roxy? >As the late GREAT Frank Zappa once said...."Jazz isn't dead, it just smells >bad" Yet interestingly Roxy would never have come about without Jazz. I doubt Bryan Ferry gives a flying f*ck about Frank Zappa. ( Zappa was certainly quite good, though. ) Tim > ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:19:22 GMT From: "Andrew Shearer" Subject: Re: [AVALON] thin white juke - R.I.P./reincarnation Yeah but the film was worth it for Catherine Deneuve (a BF favourite too I believe. Andrew >From: Heather James >Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: [AVALON] thin white juke - R.I.P./reincarnation >Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:02:04 -0400 > > > simon said: > > Living proof that reincarnation is possible!! > > reincarnation? Nope ... more like reanimation! > Did you think David got that part in "The Hunger" for his acting >talent? > > -= )-(eather =- > >------------------< > hjames@thewebgal.com > > MCC NOVA's Website: http://www.mccnova.com/ > Heather's Website: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/ > My Roxy Music site: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ > >-----------------------------------------------------< > >Turner, Chris (cturner) wrote: > > > > It must be to have jumped as many bandwagons as the that guy has... >"Yeah, > > I've been into Art/Acid/Electro/Jungle/Drum n Bass/Grunge/Comb and Paper > > since its early days..." > > > > Chris ;0) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Simon Galloway [SMTP:SIMONG@jazzfm.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 4:23 PM > > > To: avalon@smoe.org > > > Subject: [AVALON] R.I.P./reincarnation > > > > > > Oi! You leave Dame Dave alone. I would have to have him from 1964 - >1984, > > > then 1989 to present day. Living proof that reincarnation is >possible!! > > > > > > >>> "Turner, Chris (cturner)" 07/25 3:26 pm >>> > > > May he rest in peace... > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing >selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 13:02:55 -0400 From: "Tim Kendrick" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bad Smells - ---- >>>> 07/25 4:50 pm >>> >>As the late GREAT Frank Zappa once said...."Jazz isn't dead, it just smells bad" > >Thanks John! That is a phrase we use often at Jazz FM, infact, it is my boss's screensaver! My screensaver is a loaf of bread. > >SimonG :-) Well, it's certainly true that JazzFM smells bad... Tim ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:28:26 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] 1 Artist Thread Alert - ---------- >From: "Tim Kendrick" >> But Armstrong is the key to everything.> > He invented the idea of > the improvisational soloist, So HE's responsible ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:05:42 +0100 From: "Laura Shadbolt" Subject: [AVALON] Perfumed Sigh video Hi again, This morning I received the "Perfumed Sigh" video that Betsy Fowler sent to me. Thankyou so much Betsy! I've watched it all the way through and those of you that put it together did a really good job. Some of the interviews with BF (which I know are rare) are amusing, like the white socks. One or two of the films from Australia and the US have less perfect sound quality than others, but some of it was great - especially the French programme with Bryan playing himself! That was terribly amusing, even though I didn't pick up much of the dialogue. Another thought: am I the only one who thinks that the woman in the Explorers' "Lorelei" video looks rather like Paul Thompson? ;-) Thanks again, Bye Laura ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 21:08:32 +0200 From: "sjaak" Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Explorers At 22.36 +0200 0-07-24, sjaak wrote: >The Explorers are........Phil Manzanera, Andy Mackay and James Wraith. > >They've made a album, called "The Explorers" in 1985. >There also are some Maxi-singles and a live CD called "Live At The Palace >(Camden) Do you have a track listing of the livealbum? Daniel Yes I have: 1. Ship Of Fools 2. Lorelei 3. Crack The Whip 4. Robert Louis Stevenson 5. Breath Of Live 6. It's Over 7. Voodoo Isle 8. You Go Up In Smoke 9. Soul Fantasy 10. Prussian Blue 11. Two Worlds Apart 12. Venus De Milo + Out Of The Blue (not mentioned on booklet) If you want to buy this CD, try Expression Records (label of Phil Manzanera) www.manzanera.com success Sjaak ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 20:07:39 +0100 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Satchelmouth (a bit long...) Tim jazzes things up: > Armstrong's status in Jazz and popular music generally is akin to that of Mozart in European Classical music. Absolutely. Of course, music doesn't grow up in a vacuum and like Newton's comment about those who see furthest standing on the shoulders of giants, so it was with Armstrong, a genius who took the jazz elements of the day and enlarged on them to make something greater than the sum of their parts. I think the 'inventing soloing' claim is a tad contentious (don't forget Buddy Bolden and King Oliver before him and contemporary Bix Beiderbecke), although he certainly took solo improvisation to new heights by his brilliance and transformed jazz in so doing. > Once you appreciate jazz of this quality, all rock, even the best , yes, even Roxy, even lennon, even Dylan, is comparatively trivial. No offence Tim, but this is an insidious observation ! A classical scholar might well argue that all jazz is insignificant and trivial beside the Western art-music of, say, J.S. Bach (or indeed Mozart). A student of Hindustani music would say that jazz soloing pales into insignificance beside the complex and extensive improvisation of classical ragas. Comparisons of this sort are meaningless. There is no absolute, objective yardstick for the *worth* of music. It is a subjective matter and has a lot to do with individual experience. > Like HUCK FINN, if you can't see WHY Armstrong's playing is the stuff of > genius, you never will. What I gave up saying about Roxy Music years ago...S;^) JFRoxy then goes 'Roxy And Elsewhere': > >What?????? How the hell did you guys ever get round to listening to Roxy? > >As the late GREAT Frank Zappa once said...."Jazz isn't dead, it just smells > >bad" Yeah, well, I think Zappa also said that 'writing about music is like dancing about architecture'. He also liked a good joke. He also played a considerable amount of the stuff himself - not least 'Hot Rats' (rather like Ian Anderson who claimed to hate English folk music while making albums like 'Songs From The Wood' and 'Heavy Horses' !). To which Tim riposted: > Yet interestingly Roxy would never have come about without Jazz. I doubt Bryan Ferry gives a flying f*ck about Frank Zappa. ( Zappa was certainly quite good, though. ) Roxy would never have come about without *a lot* of things. I would be surprised if Ferry was that dismissive of Zappa but it's a matter of record that Phil Manzanera is a fan. For what its worth, I love a lot of music (including jazz and Frank Zappa) but when push comes to shove, nothing...NOTHING...compares to Roxy Music at their best. Of course, that's just my personal view... Regards, Ivor. n.p. 'Street Songs' - The King's Singers and Evelyn Glennie ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 20:44:57 +0100 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: [AVALON] Re: 1 Artist Thread Probably Gentle Giant.....erm, sorry, King Crimson...well, actually Camel, Gordon Giltrap, Be Bop Deluxe, Gryphon, ... Fact of the matter is, behind Roxy (and its spin-offs), it's a bit of a crowded field !! Regards, Ivor. n.p Nothing - I can't seem to make up my mind... ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 15:32:21 -0400 From: "Tim Kendrick" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Satchelmouth (a bit long...) >I say: >> Once you appreciate jazz of this quality, all rock, even the best , yes, >even Roxy, even lennon, even Dylan, is comparatively trivial. > And Ivor gets cross: >No offence Tim, but this is an insidious observation It was meant to be good-humouredly provocative, but I take your point. I would argue seriously, however, that, in purely musical terms, jazz tends to be more interesting. After all, the immediate springboard for rock was R&B which, via Louis Jordan and ray Charles ( the latter a great hero of mine) was a simplified version of jazz. " simplified" need not be a derogatory term, and I don't mean it to be so. But the emotional quality of Jazz is almost always less easy, less direct, more emotionally complex. The great symbol of Jazz is Louis Armstrong. The great symbol of rock, still, is Elvis, who was of course essentially a white blues singer. I don't think it is insidious to say that Armstrong is the greater - make that the FINER - artist. Which is not to say I don't like Elvis! Though I think contemporary records by BB King and Ray charles and others plough the same furrow more deeply. Tim > > ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:14:09 EDT From: JFROXY@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] 1 Artist Thread Alert In a message dated 25/07/00 05:33:13 GMT Daylight Time, tim63@earthlink.net writes: << he lays out everything that was to come since, as well as doing it better than anyone else.. >> Uh, so Kiss, The Tubes, Alice Cooper, etc., etc. are all indebted to a, long time dead, black trumpeter (see also the ridiculously overrated Miles Davis)? Well, you learn something new every day! Deary me, I've heard some tripe in my time, but that takes the biscuit. <> Yeah, so did I. JF ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:20:20 EDT From: Foxandprince@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] 1 Artist Thread Alert Well, don't die- but pre- schmalz Barbra Streisand ( late sixties, early seventies ) was very good. ( The first three albums for example) And of course, Billie Holiday, Nina Simone, Armstrong, Sinatra, Marlene Dietrich (great great artist, by the way isn't Bryan the first male artist to pick up "Falling in Love again"???), George Gershwin's music......... ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 21:53:44 +0100 From: "Rob Edwards" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Artist Thread After Ferry/Roxy? David Sylvian, John Barry, can I go on? PLEASE!!! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of David Neuhaus Sent: 25 July 2000 01:15 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Artist Thread My choice after RM/BF would be XTC Dave N. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V5 #276 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest