From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #271 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Friday, July 21 2000 Volume 05 : Number 271 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [AVALON] STL TV AD [S.J.Batie@open.ac.uk] RE: [AVALON] STL TV AD ["Turner, Chris (cturner)" ] [AVALON] Blickling [Jocelyn Fiske ] Re: [AVALON] hello [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] Blickling ["Jane Collard" ] Re: [AVALON] info service [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] How it's REALLY done-corrected [KB Porter ] [AVALON] Reinterpretation ["Simon Galloway" ] [AVALON] Moby [Chandla911@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Some other versions - addendum ["Rachel Smither" ] Re: [AVALON] Moby ["Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest" ] Re: [AVALON] Moby ["Ivor Canning" ] [AVALON] Offlist - argument ["Johnny Reece" ] [AVALON] Ha ! ["Johnny Reece" ] Re: [AVALON] info service : heart still beating ? ["Robert Whiteford" ] [AVALON] To be Complete or not to be Complete.... ["Rob Edwards" ] [AVALON] Re : To be complete ["Johnny Reece" ] Re: [AVALON] Blickling ["Therese O'Donnell" ] Re: [AVALON] A Complete Idiot.... ["Ivor Canning" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:12:06 +0100 From: S.J.Batie@open.ac.uk Subject: RE: [AVALON] STL TV AD my mam has seen the ad (tyne-tees), but i've yet to see it in down-town milton keynes where we get THREE itv channels. she said it was good, but she would .... s > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Whiteford [SMTP:robert@rwhiteford.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 8:43 PM > To: avalon > Subject: Re: [AVALON] STL TV AD > > OK OK some fair points I think - certainly I suppose it's a bit early to > judge. > > But I'm just saying that I've watched 2 full eposides of Frost and seen > Sting more often than I care to mention but no maestro. And from Jocelyns > observations I'm not missing much. > > I've seen the album officially chart at number 11 whilst his record > company > who are "keen to restablish him as a major recording artist" put him at no > 24 in their own shops and 18 in the Our Price chain they own. > > They weren't that keen to re-establish him when they knocked back > Horoscope > and their reaction to ATGB can be judged by the fact it came out on their > Dutch or German subsidiary. So no I don't think they believe in him - I > really don't. You couldn't buy the atgb single outside major town record > stores. > > By the way "This Love" is a great track , and at the risk of annoying some > miles better than the likes of "Which way to turn" > > > Anyway I agree that it's lovely to go into a record shop and see him back > in > the top twenty - well deserved and ATGB is so under rated by so many. > > Rob > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Turner, Chris (cturner) > To: > Sent: 20 July 2000 10:57 > Subject: RE: [AVALON] STL TV AD > > > It's a very strange situation to find myself in, defending the record > company, but I do think we need to have a little balance here. > > I feel your criticisms are a little too great and a little too premature. > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > _ > Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing > selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 02:49:32 -0700 From: "Turner, Chris (cturner)" Subject: RE: [AVALON] STL TV AD Hi, I agree with your points Rob, and yours too Jane. The campaign has been flawed, but all is not lost. I think that the next album will be the acid test. I just hope that the record company have sufficient faith in Ferry to promote that fully. To do so, he needs to prove that he can still write a good song. His ability to arrange is unquestionably good, his quality of performance is at its highest level for 20 years, he still has the ability to produce moments of real drama and passion in his live shows, and his public image and perception is as good as ever... ...But there has to be a hook to hang all of that on, and the material is the key. It's not enough any more to just turn up at the studio with the best musicians and hope that the magic happens. It can do, but it hasn't done so consistently since Boys and Girls. The return to acoustic performance is encouraging, but his emphasis must be on what he's singing, not how he's singing it, we know that will be good. That's why ATGB has worked pretty well as a recorded and as a live project. The quality of the material is unquestioned, then it has the Ferry magic sprinkled over it, both in its faithful authenticity and his own personal mark of 'Ferry-ness'. But it's a side issue, what I really want to hear is Ferry's own music, and it's been a long wait. Cheers Chris (also a 'This Love' and 'Where Or When' fan) > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Whiteford [SMTP:robert@rwhiteford.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 8:43 PM > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] STL TV AD > > OK OK some fair points I think - certainly I suppose it's a bit early to > judge. > > But I'm just saying that I've watched 2 full eposides of Frost and seen > Sting more often than I care to mention but no maestro. And from Jocelyns > observations I'm not missing much. > > I've seen the album officially chart at number 11 whilst his record company > who are "keen to restablish him as a major recording artist" put him at no > 24 in their own shops and 18 in the Our Price chain they own. > > They weren't that keen to re-establish him when they knocked back Horoscope > and their reaction to ATGB can be judged by the fact it came out on their > Dutch or German subsidiary. So no I don't think they believe in him - I > really don't. You couldn't buy the atgb single outside major town record > stores. > > By the way "This Love" is a great track , and at the risk of annoying some > miles better than the likes of "Which way to turn" > > > Anyway I agree that it's lovely to go into a record shop and see him back > in > the top twenty - well deserved and ATGB is so under rated by so many. > > Rob > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Turner, Chris (cturner) > To: > Sent: 20 July 2000 10:57 > Subject: RE: [AVALON] STL TV AD > > > It's a very strange situation to find myself in, defending the record > company, but I do think we need to have a little balance here. > > I feel your criticisms are a little too great and a little too premature. > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing > selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:47:48 +0100 From: Jocelyn Fiske Subject: [AVALON] Blickling See you all there. Who's going again? Jocelyn ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 08:06:50 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] hello Welcome Therese! Sorry Blickling didn't work out for you, but you must be living right to have caught BF in Dublin. It's so uplifting to hear someone recant an experience where words hardly convey the great impact of the event. Wonderful stuff. I've decided, Bryan Ferry's forte is the expressiveness he is able to vocally impart. Still, his lyrics are right up there - I could go on, however, wishing to not annoy, I stop. Best wishes, K.B.Porter ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:03:37 +0100 From: "Jane Collard" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Blickling Jocelyn - wish I could say I would be there, but sadly I left it too late! Anyway - to all of you going tomorrow night, have a really great time (if the good weather continues it might even be a true *summer* evening!). The dress rehearsal for Castle Howard?!! Best wishes Jane - ----- Original Message ----- From: Jocelyn Fiske To: Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 10:47 AM Subject: [AVALON] Blickling > > > See you all there. Who's going again? > > > > Jocelyn > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing > selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 08:12:00 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] info service Pssst, Kate, it's a secret! << once again that the information service has failed by not putting out a news letter re. the new slave to love compilation and its new song prior to its release.>> ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 08:19:19 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] How it's REALLY done-corrected Jas: Now we know which Doll Ivor is sharing his Halcyon with~:^> ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 08:18:31 EDT From: JFROXY@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: This Love In a message dated 21/07/00 08:47:17 GMT Daylight Time, martinstockman@btinternet.com writes: << have you heard the Craig Armstrong / Liz Fraser version ? >> Yes, Marty, and (loathe to admit it) BF's version is, sadly, vastly inferior. Judas Fulton. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:19:22 +0100 From: "Johnny Reece" Subject: [AVALON] RE : This Love, & interpretations ... and another Judas here. I too much prefer the Armstrong/Fraser version, though it is possibly because it has been a fave of mine for at least a couple of years now. I do like Brys version, just that the orig. got there first, slightly more feeling, more depth. Not that it matters, all down to personal opinion of course. Nice little thread recently on other versions of songs that Bry has done. I'd like to hear the Cole version of 'Can't Get Started', as Sinatras one, imho, is very poor, much as I usually appreciate his stuff. A listener in NJ just sent me a tape a couple of days back, after I had aired Brys version of this song, of the original, done apparently in 1935 by one Bunny Berrigan. On first hearing, I'd say that this was the one that Bry had as a blueprint for his ATGB version. On the subject, I've always thought that Jose Felicianos first version of 'Otis' is the one for me (he's done it twice, second one weak though). Finally, two suggestions for the man they call Brain Fury : On the Style Council (no, really) Album 'Cafe Bleu', the 'Paris Match' song, as sung by guest vocalist Tracey Thorn, is one song I wait ever impatiently for our man to do, and finally, I've recently got the 'Chet Baker in Paris' CD, and the last track, recorded in 1955, is a wonderful song, which I would really like Bry to interpret, in the current ATGB style. I'l tell him so if I speak with him again, it's a Tom Adair & Matt Dennis number, 'Everything Happens To Me'. That's all today, kids. I'll be asking questions on this at 9am Monday. Reecey... ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:41:36 EDT From: JFROXY@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE : This Love, & interpretations In a message dated 21/07/00 04:34:42 GMT Daylight Time, johnny.reece@virgin.net writes: << I do like Brys version, just that the orig. got there first, slightly more feeling, more depth. >> Spot on Johnny. JF ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 17:30:50 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] Afterthought... I just remembered. It's interesting to note how many of these songs have been recorded by Billie Holliday. Quite a few of them I can tell you! SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 17:29:22 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] Reinterpretation A while back I did a load of research into Bryan's cover versions, and whittled them down to 40 of the jazz, blues and soul variety. I then did searches for each song at www.allmusic.com and came up with a staggering list of songs, many of the "standards" had 5 pages listing other versions of these songs (I've still got the print outs). One day I shall take myself down to the Jazz FM vaults and dig some of them up to see how they compare. And for the record, Chet Baker's version of "These Foolish Things" is wonderful, as is Ella Fitzgerald's slightly swinging "Where Or When" (the version that's name checked in the ATGB tour programme). You'd think I had better things to do! SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:12:16 EDT From: Chandla911@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Moby I'm really delighted to have found this Moby newsgroup - does anyone know of a similar group that discusses Bryan Ferry? ;-) Richard ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 19:09:54 +0100 From: "Rachel Smither" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Some other versions - addendum - -----Original Message----- From:kevin routley routley@smither.freeserve.co.uk To: avalon@smoe.org Date: 21 July 2000 19.20 Subject: avalon. roxy trader >just a note concerning roxy trader .who is he ? jim lawn ?virgin ? or what ..... >if he would like to email me of list to talk about the lies he is spreading i am willing to talk . > >> all i can say is i hope to meet you in the near future .because you are going to get a good kicking from my self .. > > i would advise fellow members to stay well clear of him the man is poison . >> >> to try and drop some one in the brown stuff aint clever .? >> if any one knows who he is could you email me of list ...............kevin .......................... > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing >selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > > ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 19:31:17 +0100 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Moby Richard plays Captain Ahab: > I'm really delighted to have found this Moby newsgroup - does anyone know of > a similar group that discusses Bryan Ferry? ;-) Hey, no problem, Richard, the floor's all yours... ...when you're ready... ...in your own time... ...well speak up, man !!! S;^) Ivor. .np. Billie Holiday (the prog diva) - 'The Legacy 1933-1958' ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 20:55:57 +0200 From: "Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Moby > I'm really delighted to have found this Moby newsgroup - does anyone know of > a similar group that discusses Bryan Ferry? ;-) > > Richard No, but I know a group that discusses Jim Lawn, very interesting! Han ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 19:57:19 +0100 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Some other versions - I've started, so I'll finish... On Sinatra: So what does Nancy Sinatra know ? The V-Discs collection (special WWII service recordings) of Sinatra has a great (slow ballad !) take of 'The Way You Look Tonight' (1943). I would rate it up with Bry's version if it wasn't for the intrusive backing singers 'whoo-oo-ing' all over it... For completeness, I should also mention 'You Go To My Head' was recorded by The Voice in 1945 and 1960. On Billie Holiday: The 3-CD set 'The Legacy 1933-1958' has great versions of: 'These Foolish Things', 'Easy Living' (a truly superb version with a very familiar arrangement !), 'I Can't Get Started' and 'You Go To My Head'. On 'Miss Otis': I'm surprised neither Pub-Rock Man nor Martinot (clearly an unreconstructed Punk-Rock Man, judging by this morning's little outburst...) have mentioned the version of this by Kirsty MacColl with The Pogues ? It's hardly a classic rendition but it has a certain 'pub-punk' naive insouciance about it . Regards, Ivor. P.S. Interesting story about Holiday from the Count Basie days. On being told of the decision to include some 1920's numbers in the repertoire, she retorted 'Ah, hell, I ain't singing that old sh*t ! This is 1938 !" and promptly got fired... n.p. King Crimson 'the construKction of light' - new/old sh*t, just for Martinot S8^) ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 19:57:01 +0100 From: "Rob Edwards" Subject: [AVALON] Paul Carrack Not sure if this will interest anyone but I have two promo copies of (what I think is) the new Paul Carrack CD called 'Beautiful World'. Could be old, could be new??, not sure. I will happily post them on to anyone who wants them (free of charge). First come first served. Or is the taking 'being complete' too far? ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 20:21:04 +0100 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Moby Han thinks the grass is greener: > No, but I know a group that discusses Jim Lawn, very interesting! No, you're thinking of the 'Avalawn' list... Regards, Ivor. n.p. The Stranglers - 'Rattus Norvegicus' - I'll bet Martin used to drive a 'Morry Thou'...! S;^D ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 20:28:16 +0100 From: "Johnny Reece" Subject: [AVALON] Offlist - argument What's brummie boy's problem then ? ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 20:33:42 +0100 From: "Johnny Reece" Subject: [AVALON] Ha ! What's brummie boy's problem then ? (This rest of this message should have been on the last email - so I'll carry on here !) Come on Kev, what's going on ? Stop arguing ! And by the way - i've had 3 emails offlist asking whether I'm the Roxytrader - which I ain't. I've dealt with him once, no probs, seemed like a nice person to deal with. Seems lots of arguments hit the fan recently - great shame... I do think arguments like that should be left offlist though, know wharramean ? News re major 'Roxy party' later on tonight hopefully - will need loads of input from a lot of you on this one... Who else is at Blickling tomorrow ? Reecey... ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 20:37:10 +0100 From: "Robert Whiteford" Subject: Re: [AVALON] info service : heart still beating ? Martin, I saw the advert for the first time this morning. As for the record company it is quite clear that Bryan Ferry and Virgin - since about 1986 when he signed - have not exactly been a match made in heaven. I really don't think their performance over the last 14 years merits any defence just becuase they've shoved out some TV ads aimed at Lorraine Kelly's audience. Where were they when he wanted a label for the As Time Goes By release? To be fair a couple of people thought my criticism of Virgin was unfair and said so, which is fair enough. Which it seems to me is what has happened with the info service debate - people had their say as indeed I did a few months back on this very subject. As an idea for the info service maybe it should send out printed pages from the internet - official and unofficial - with permission of course - ready made up to date information and discussion for those without access to a computer. Rob > It appears, dear Kate, that in moderen Avalonia one is allowed to disparage > a record company that, to my waning senses, appears to be promoting the > Maestro night and day on primetime trash TV (at vast expense), yet not > criticise the self-styled Official communications media of our Cool Ruler, > however apathetic and/or non-existant. No doubt we'll be told the > Information Service is merely pining for the fijords. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 20:07:25 +0100 From: "Robert Whiteford" Subject: Re: [AVALON] STL TV AD Chris, I agree - although I do think his songwriting is still better than anyone else still working in music. "The Only Face" is a really beautiful song. But how many people would care to admit that they didn't realise quite how beautiful until they heard the acoustic version ? "No back street woman - no grand hotel" - great lyrics, great atmosphere. Some songs benefit from layered production and some don't - Bete Noire the track is another brilliant melody and lyric "Give me the world around you" - but the mix obscures it a bit. No simple beauty - apart from Zamba. Other examples where Ferry not overcomplicating things really works are Where or When, Sonnet 18, Falling in Love Again, Smoke get's in your eyes, Dance Away......... So yes we know his singing will be great - but all the better for his velvet voice not being mixed into a mush. Rob - ----- Original Message ----- From: Turner, Chris (cturner) To: Sent: 21 July 2000 10:49 Subject: RE: [AVALON] STL TV AD the material is the > key. It's not enough any more to just turn up at the studio with the best > musicians and hope that the magic happens. It can do, but it hasn't done so > consistently since Boys and Girls. The return to acoustic performance is > encouraging, but his emphasis must be on what he's singing, not how he's > singing it, we know that will be good. That's why ATGB has worked pretty well > as a recorded and as a live project. The quality of the material is > unquestioned, then it has the Ferry magic sprinkled over it, both in its > faithful authenticity and his own personal mark of 'Ferry-ness'. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 19:50:56 GMT From: "mark shanahan" Subject: [AVALON] the new/old moby list >From: "Ivor Canning" >On Sinatra: > >So what does Nancy Sinatra know ? The V-Discs collection (special WWII >service recordings) of Sinatra has a great (slow ballad !) take of 'The Way >You Look Tonight' (1943). I would rate it up with Bry's version if it >wasn't for the intrusive backing singers 'whoo-oo-ing' all over it... i've got the 'v-discs' and they're great. i'd agree - sinatra's version is quite good. the 'whooing' - try listening to his 'jealous lover' a couple million times and then - if you're head's still intact, try listening to at least five live songs with *the sirens*. well, actually it's *not* recommended, so ... >On 'Miss Otis': >I'm surprised neither Pub-Rock Man nor Martinot (clearly an unreconstructed >Punk-Rock Man, judging by this morning's little outburst...) have mentioned >the version of this by Kirsty MacColl with The Pogues ? It's hardly a >classic rendition but it has a certain 'pub-punk' naive insouciance about >it. there's something about this song that is like chalk on a blackboard (to me), but that is a good version - and ferry's is probably the best one i've heard thus far. but now i feel i just have to hear feliciano's version (thanks, reecey). no doubt i'll never get the song out of my head now. >P.S. Interesting story about Holiday from the Count Basie days. On being >told of the decision to include some 1920's numbers in the repertoire, she >retorted 'Ah, hell, I ain't singing that old sh*t ! This is 1938 !" and >promptly got fired... ah, like her even more now ... ;^D and - oh, speaking of the traiterous words re: 'this love' ...i'll STILL put forth the question: does anyone know whether said song will be released as a single in the u.s., apart from the compilation 'STL'? oh - OK - have fun at whichever freakin' concert you are all going to now over there! peaces/ms p.s. i hear the weather in texas is ... HOT ... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 21:29:33 +0100 From: "Rob Edwards" Subject: [AVALON] To be Complete or not to be Complete.... Just as a matter of interest....... I love Roxy/Ferry. I have the LP's / CD's a number of times. A few duplications. I have Brian Eno CD's. I have the Spizz version of Virginia Plain, the recent cover version of More Than This and one or two other things....... How far have people gone to get everything connected to Roxy/Ferry? Can you go too far? ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 21:26:55 +0100 From: "Johnny Reece" Subject: [AVALON] Blickling Not many Avalonians going to make it to Blickling, it seems, so who the hell are these 8000 people ? I have a horrible feeling we're going to be drowned in Tupperware. Reecey... ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 21:38:40 +0100 From: "Johnny Reece" Subject: [AVALON] Re : To be complete It's a disease, Rob. I used to have it, but have tablets to control it now. I do remember, some years ago, feeling obliged to buy the 'Little, Lost and Innocent' single by 'Milk n' Cookies' because it was a new Band featuring Sal Maida (bassist in Roxy for about 30 seconds). The record was terrible, btw. I have made numerous other purchases along the same lines in many years past, luckily my memory has obliterated them. I had the Spizz single at one time, then happily destroyed it. True. I still have, somewhere, 'Love Is The Drug' by Biarritz, as I saw it for 10p and I just had to check it out. Come to think of it, these Biarritz people are up against the wall first, not Yes. I always took things like this (ie, people covering Roxy) quite personally, you know. I felt I was defending Roxy by getting all annoyed about it. Great stuff. I've no doubt got a few horrors lurking on Vinyl with Roxy connections still, but am afraid to open that particular cupboard for fear of the skeletons inside. Takes me back to the 'Country Life butter' and 'Eno's salts' discussion. Don't buy them anymore either. Must admit though, if I ever get another Bike, I'll move heaven and earth to get THE numberplate for it. So there you have it, you're never completely cured you know... Reecey... ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 21:56:55 +0100 From: "Therese O'Donnell" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Blickling > Not many Avalonians going to make it to Blickling, it seems, so who the hell > are these 8000 people ? I'm really pleased that someone else is asking that question! I have tried every possible avenue for the last two weeks including sources that normally guarantee tickets and still no joy. Over the hills and down the valleys literally. As you know I've been debasing myself on the list pleading for tickets (I'm really sorry about that). Every source I've tried has sounded surprised and yet I could still get an extra ticket for a pal for Castle Howard as late as yesterday. On the Norfolk 'What's On' site it said that the whole tour had sold out, which prompted my mad dash to CH phone line and yet they seemed to indicate that there wasn't really a problem getting un billet. Anyway enough grumping and don't worry about tupperware - this season's 'look' is rich suburbia - less Roxy and more Marjorie from the 'Good Life' (sorry for cultural referencing for non-UK subscribers) - so maybe this is the maestro displaying how his finger's always on the trend pulse! For those of you going have a fab time! Cheers Therese > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing > selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:52:38 EDT From: CSOlive123@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] To be Complete or not to be Complete.... To Rob, I have every album/L.P. of Roxy/Ferry and I have almost got the same on C.D. I bought the first Manifesto (original versions of Dance Away and Angel Eyes), Picture Disc and second version of Manifesto, plus C.D. Also, various duplicates of extended 45s and picture discs. Oh yeah, and duplicates for car C.D. player. We must be true fans or just plain silly - and broke. Collette Olive ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 21:50:34 +0100 From: "Johnny Reece" Subject: [AVALON] One step further Rob, to take it one step further, here I sit, at this moment, in my Studio at home. In any other working environment like this, there would be various 'official' working bits, details etc on the walls. Not here. As I look around me, the walls are positively festooned with early 7" pic sleeves of Roxy, various Posters, some vintage, some autographed, and a load of autographed album covers too (Roxy 1st, FYP, etc etc.) Also, a range of album covers etc by other fave Bands, Artists etc, dotted around. I am almost completely surrounded by LPs, & CDs, except for the desk in front of me. Now, this is not normal - but hey, I'm happy here - it's my Den. I spend more time in here than any other room in the house. Pathetic, eh ? And just to make it worse, all this music is, of course, in some sort of alphabetical order (a-la High Fidelity, before someone else mentions it). Naturally, and here's my point - all the Roxy and Ferry items are in SEPARATE sections of their own. Yours, still in need of treatment, Johnny Reece, age 42. PS If you don't believe me, ask Ivor, and Debs - they've seen this madness. (I haven't mentioned the other framed stuff around the flat - this is enough for the moment). Anyone else similarly infected ? Over to you, Ivor. Got the drumming for She Sells well sorted ? ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 22:42:04 +0100 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] A Complete Idiot.... Oh Gawd, I started to make a list and had to give up. This easily runs into hundreds of recordings, maybe even thousands, depending how far you want to take the links. Once you get into the various solo albums you're into thread hell - just try keeping up with Mel Collins or Simon Phillips' recorded output and you'll be a very poor (and pretty sad) person !!! John Wetton gets about a bit, too - all that King Crimson/UK/Asia/solo/Uriah Heep/David Byron/Vow Wow/Steve Hackett etc etc etc (I do draw the line at Family though...). As for Eno, well you've got to have albums by all sorts of unsavoury characters - Camel, Genesis, U2, James, Pete Sinfield, Jack Lancaster et al (e.g. Peter & The Wolf), David Bowie... A serious Eno completist would also want Brand X albums (Phil Collins, Percy Jones) like 'Unorthodox Behaviour' for the version of 'Over Fire Island' that is the title track...Fred Frith ('Before and After Science') leads to Henry Cow Albums by support acts - Illusion, Sadistic Mika Band, Scarlet; which also leads into Judie Tzuke territory (yet another Simon Phillips thread) which even spirals off into the netherhells of Status Quo ! Cover versions - Siouxsie and The Banshees' 'Sea Breezes', that awful Stockman, Aitkin and Watergate version of 'Virginia Plain' even a single by Wishplants (remember them ? no...) just because it had a cover of 'Out Of The Blue'. Did anybody buy the soundtrack album to Walt Disney's 'Hercules' just because Fonzi Thornton is listed as vocal contractor ?? I *do* hope not...not even for £1.99. I have to stop now otherwise I'll be here all night, suffice to say: Curved Air, Sky, Robert Wyatt, Soft Machine, Gong, Steve Hillage, Robin Trower, Dave Gilmour (first solo), Pink Floyd ('Momentary Lapse of Reason'), Frank Zappa, Jethro Tull, John Cale, Pretty Things... Regards, Ivor. n.p. 'Hercules' - hey I happen to *like* the film, OK ?? I dread to think what JO'B's got in his Aladdin's Cave... ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 23:02:24 +0100 From: "Jane Collard" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Blickling Reecey - I had the same "horrible feeling" about Ragley, but it proved unfounded. Just make sure you execute that now well-rehearsed (or so I've heard) body swerve to the front and keep our places warm for Castle Howard. Oh how I wish I hadn't dithered about Blickling.... Have a great time anyway Cheers Jane - ----- Original Message ----- From: Johnny Reece To: Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 9:26 PM Subject: [AVALON] Blickling > Not many Avalonians going to make it to Blickling, it seems, so who the hell > are these 8000 people ? I have a horrible feeling we're going to be drowned > in Tupperware. > Reecey... > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing > selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! 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