From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #269 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Thursday, July 20 2000 Volume 05 : Number 269 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] STL TV Ad ["SHEARER, Andrew" ] [AVALON] "one of the icons of British pop music" ["Simon Galloway" ] [AVALON] The reason why Blickling Hall sold out ["Simon Galloway" ] Re: [AVALON]Jerry Hall and Bryan Ferry? In The Same Breath? [KB Porter <] Re: [AVALON] How it's really done... [Doll819@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] BBBirthplace ["Tim Kendrick" ] Re: [AVALON] BBBirthplace ["Theresa Fagan" ] [AVALON] Roxy sampled ! ["Reecey" ] RE: [AVALON] The reason why Blickling Hall sold out ["Andrew Shearer" ] RE: [AVALON] Roxy sampled ! ["Turner, Chris (cturner)" ] RE: [AVALON] STL - The Campaign ["Rob Edwards" ] Re: [AVALON] Some other versions ["Ivor Canning" ] RE: [AVALON] Record companies & blame ["Rob Edwards" ] Re: [AVALON] Some other versions - addendum ["Robert Whiteford" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:13:29 +0100 From: "SHEARER, Andrew" Subject: [AVALON] STL TV Ad I don't know if you're still interested, - I haven't had time to read all of the last 24 hr mails but the impression I got was that not many people had seen this. The promo was broadcast again this morning at 8.30am on Meridien (ITV South). For our none UK residents this is during GMTV (Good Morning TV) - - a middle of the road, lightweight news magazine programme. 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To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:23:03 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] "one of the icons of British pop music" It's also entirely possible that the record company themselves have paid for MVC to make him "Artist Of The Month", as it is not unknown for record companies to buy shelf/display space in shops to make a special promotion (I know JazzFM Records certainly make use of that practice). Also, the opinion that Virgin don't believe in Bryan anymore is interesting. It seems that Virgin UK are more interested in the back catalogue, especially as the reissues last year coincided with Virgin Germany's release of ATGB (a lack of co-ordination there), And why is it that STL was released in other parts of Europe some months ago? A ready made collection to release wherever he is touring at the time? The UK release is definitely riding on the tails of Bryan's return to strength. What promotion will there be for "The Early Years" compilation? And why doesn't go 72-75? You may as well just stick with the first cd of "The Thrill Of It All" box set. And what's happened to the Bryan Ferry box set? SimonG (Too many questions. Need more tea). >>> "Ivor Canning" 07/19 8:32 pm >>> Daniel offers crumbs of comfort: > Well, we can rejoice over the ad on the next to last page with Ferry/Roxy > albums calling Mr Ferry "one of the icons of British pop music". Yes, and tellingly it's not from the record company but an MVC (record shops) advert with Bryan and Roxy as 'Artist of The Month', arrayed with selected items from the back catalogue going cheap. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:46:26 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] The Greatest (remixes and stuff) "The Greatest" was recommended the other day as a good way of getting Bryan Ferry's remixes on cd. Well, www.ab-cd.com has it for sale, as well as lots of Bryan's albums curiously on VHS video.... Happy shopping! SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 02:57:59 -0700 From: "Turner, Chris (cturner)" Subject: RE: [AVALON] STL TV AD It's a very strange situation to find myself in, defending the record company, but I do think we need to have a little balance here. I feel your criticisms are a little too great and a little too premature. Firstly the ad campaign. We are only one week in. Didn't the advert appear in the break between Coronation Street the other evening? That's the most-watched programme in the UK. A fifteen second slot there (Or an appearance on Jim Davidson, which people seem to be turning their noses up at) will reach more people than any number of pseudy late-night appearances on Later. And they don't come cheap, I'd guess £30,000 for a slot during Corrie. You've got to shift a lot of product to cover that sort of promotion. And the other ads? They seem to be targeted at housewives and those with a passing interest in Ferry. In other words people who might actually buy this collection. Who do you really expect to buy this compilation of ancient ballads, the Ant and Dec crowd? 'The kids' have NOT been eagerly awaiting this release. :0) Ferry is twenty-five years older than anyone else in the top ten (except that phenomenon, Tom Jones) Who else is getting TV promotion? Only Travis and Stink (via the environment-loving crooner's tie-up with er, Jaguar Cars) And the campaign hasn't finished yet. Virgin have promoted a collection of songs that has been released many times before to number 11 in the chart, not a bad achievement in the dead horses (flogging of) department. I think this is a perfectly well-supported release of back catalogue material. I wasn't expecting wall-to-wall coverage. However if there were a new release... Jane asks why the people at Ragley hadn't heard of the new release. Which new releases had they heard of? I was there, these people don't read the NME every week. How did they hear about the gig? Somebody must be doing something right. Blickling has been sold out for two weeks. Has Ferry been good for Virgin? They are in the business of selling records after all. In fourteen years Ferry has released two solo albums, neither of which sold particularly well (despite some beautiful moments), and two albums of cover versions. No Top Ten singles. Mamouna was recorded at least twice, at huge (record company) expense, and spent a total of four weeks on the UK chart (cheap plug: see www.roxyrama.com for chart details) . I wonder why so much material remains unreleased? And Ferry has not been very supportive in promoting his products since the mid 1980's (until recently perhaps) What I'm saying is this. We are not typical fans, in fact we are most untypical, we will buy anything he releases. But our 200 copies won't pay the bills. It's mass market appeal that will. This is not meant to be a rant, I really want what you want - to see Ferry back in the public eye - because the last few months have firmly restored my faith that he still has so much to offer. But we mustn't be too precious about our man - he's got to live in the real world like everyone else. Thanks for listening Chris BTW You think Ferry is under exposed? Blimey! I spent my first two and a half years in Avalon with only a shoe advert to talk about :0) > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Whiteford [SMTP:robert@rwhiteford.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 8:01 PM > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] STL TV AD > > Good points here. > > It's the same old story - all bluff and glory - it's a pantomime. > > We were told Ferry had a really big promotional budget for this - we'll I'd > hate to see what would happen with a small one. I watch TV a lot and have > seen nothing so far.Not a jot. > > Virgin just don't believe in him and now that he believes in himself again > he should remove himself from this label. > ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:18:36 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] The reason why Blickling Hall sold out >>> "Turner, Chris (cturner)" 07/20 10:57 am >>> >How did they hear about the gig? Somebody must be doing something >right. Blickling has been sold out for two weeks. Because I made really good radio commercials for four of the shows, including that one. And that's 30 seconds, running on stations in the local area, in particular the "classic hits" stations. Why else would it have sold out? I made one for Castle Howard too, so hurry!!! SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 03:29:00 -0700 From: "Turner, Chris (cturner)" Subject: RE: [AVALON] The reason why Blickling Hall sold out Wise words mate...and now over to the weather report on Rockin' Radio Redditch... Chris ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Galloway [SMTP:SIMONG@jazzfm.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 11:19 AM > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: [AVALON] The reason why Blickling Hall sold out > > > Because I made really good radio commercials for four of the shows, > including that one. And that's 30 seconds, running on stations in the local > area, in particular the "classic hits" stations. > ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 12:12:09 +0100 From: Jocelyn Fiske Subject: RE: [AVALON] STL TV AD Well,(coming clean that I work in that unsavoury biz. called advertising) I can tell you that a 30sec slot mid Coronation Street network (ie all TV regions) will set you back a cool £100,000 per showing in media spend. I saw it during the Big Breakfast on Channel 4 which would cost @ £25,000 even there. Advertising time does not come cheap, hence radio blitzing might have been a better opportunity to get more out of the budget. The problem is, of course, that most record companies promote their own product when really they should come to an ad agency who could not only levy much better media rates, but also turn out a good creative idea - the ad's bland beyond belief with a crap dated old ripple effect mix between duo toned old video footage. Boy, that's original. They should have gone for ambient media with a few strategically placed love slaves chained and bound to lampposts outside HMV, Tower, Virgin etc across major cities. Now THAT would get some PR, which in effect is thousands of pounds worth of free advertising. Oh damn, this looks dangerously close to me doing some work today. Jocelyn (not giving up the day job) - -----Original Message----- From: Robert Whiteford [mailto:robert@rwhiteford.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 19 July 2000 20:01 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] STL TV AD We were told Ferry had a really big promotional budget for this - we'll I'd hate to see what would happen with a small one. I watch TV a lot and have seen nothing so far.Not a jot. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 07:48:17 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON]Jerry Hall and Bryan Ferry? In The Same Breath? KBP here, tired and testy: <<... her part in the Graduate coming up. Of course there is NO mention of our hero in the article. >> With all due respect, Bryan Ferry is ancient history in terms of a celebrity's lifetime, why mention him? Haven't they both moved on - I hope so! ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:07:40 EDT From: Doll819@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] How it's really done... Jas, Thank you for the JH update. We did a quick breakfast survey, & unless something has happened, it appears that B.B. King is from Memphis, Tennessee, not Texas. We even had a few participants in the survey volunteer to go to Memphis & make sure Beale Street, the ribs & the Peabody's ducks are all still there...(funny how no one mentioned Elvis). Have a great day! ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:07:53 -0400 From: "Tim Kendrick" Subject: Re: [AVALON] BBBirthplace I believe that B.B. King hailed originally from Indianola, Mississippi. Incidentally, in just about the same month as the Clapton duets, King put out a new solo album, ' making love is Good for you' , which I think better. King has also opened a new branch of his night club, in Times Square of all places. Tim - ---> >We did a quick breakfast survey, & unless something has happened, it appears >that B.B. King is from Memphis, Tennessee, not Texas. We even had a few >participants in the survey volunteer to go to Memphis & make sure Beale >Street, the ribs & the Peabody's ducks are all still there...(funny how no >one mentioned Elvis). > > ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 10:29:14 -0400 From: "Theresa Fagan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] BBBirthplace OR: "Born Riley B. King in the little rural burg of Itta Benna, Mississippi, the amiable Southern gentleman adopted the name B.B., short for "Blues Boy," when he hosted a Memphis radio show early in his career." From: Tim Kendrick To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Thursday, July 20, 2000 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] BBBirthplace |I believe that B.B. King hailed originally from Indianola, Mississippi. | |Incidentally, in just about the same month as the Clapton duets, King put |out |a new solo album, ' making love is Good for you' , which I think better. | |King has also opened a new branch of his night club, in Times Square of all |places. | |Tim | | |---> |>We did a quick breakfast survey, & unless something has happened, it |appears |>that B.B. King is from Memphis, Tennessee, not Texas. We even had a few |>participants in the survey volunteer to go to Memphis & make sure Beale |>Street, the ribs & the Peabody's ducks are all still there...(funny how no |>one mentioned Elvis). |> |> | | | |___________________________________________________________________________ |Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing |selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! |To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: |unsubscribe avalon | | ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:14:28 +0100 From: "Reecey" Subject: [AVALON] Roxy sampled ! Just got a delivery of about 200 new Singles/Albums/Promo bits in - some bits out now, other promo bits due late July and Aug. Every time this happens, here I sit, and go through every single one, playing the first 30 secs or so of each one, seeing if something might grab me, either for myself, or for a Show. Imagine my shock/stun/gasp/surprise to find, on a promo from a new artist name of Sunna, on a track called 'OD' - that the legendary 'Sultanesque' is featured right through it, as the backing track. Thing is, it's a not bad track too, apparently from forthcoming Album called 'One minute Silence'. A bit like Ben Harper. Cool ! Reecey... ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 15:23:37 GMT From: "Andrew Shearer" Subject: RE: [AVALON] The reason why Blickling Hall sold out Did you manage to get a ticket? >From: "Turner, Chris (cturner)" >Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org >To: "'avalon@smoe.org'" >Subject: RE: [AVALON] The reason why Blickling Hall sold out >Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 03:29:00 -0700 > >Wise words mate...and now over to the weather report on Rockin' Radio >Redditch... > >Chris ;-) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Simon Galloway [SMTP:SIMONG@jazzfm.com] > > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 11:19 AM > > To: avalon@smoe.org > > Subject: [AVALON] The reason why Blickling Hall sold out > > > > > > Because I made really good radio commercials for four of the shows, > > including that one. And that's 30 seconds, running on stations in the >local > > area, in particular the "classic hits" stations. > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing >selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:26:38 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy sampled ! Being a big "Sultanesque" supporter, I'm glad someone else has realised the beauty of this piece, and it's been crying out for years to be sampled. The buggers have beat me to it! About time too! SimonG >>> "Reecey" 07/20 4:14 pm >>> Imagine my shock/stun/gasp/surprise to find, on a promo from a new artist name of Sunna, on a track called 'OD' - that the legendary 'Sultanesque' is featured right through it, as the backing track. Thing is, it's a not bad track too, apparently from forthcoming Album called 'One minute Silence'. A bit like Ben Harper. Cool ! Reecey... ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:34:18 -0700 From: "Turner, Chris (cturner)" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Roxy sampled ! Is this legendary as in "the legendary John Sutton..." Chris ;0) > -----Original Message----- > From: Reecey [SMTP:johnny.reece@virgin.net] > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 4:14 PM > To: Avalonia > Subject: [AVALON] Roxy sampled ! > on a track called 'OD' - that the legendary 'Sultanesque' is > featured right through it, as the backing track. Thing is > ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:38:46 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] Some other versions I was digging around in the Jazz FM music library earlier, and came accross a compilation from the legendary Blue Note label called "Midnight Blue" and amongst the songs it features SMOKE GETS IN YOUR EYES by Bud Shank SWEET AND LOVELY by Bill Perkins and Richie Kamuca I CAN'T GET STARTED by Lester Young with Nat King Cole So there! SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 19:52:30 +0100 From: "Rob Edwards" Subject: RE: [AVALON] STL - The Campaign My contact at Virgin Records tells me that the TV ads will "roll over three weeks on ITV and Channel 4" There is still some "press and PR" to go and Carlton TV will be filming the Castle Howard show in August (sorry, no other info. than that). (Sorry, this must be dull to you Gracho's and Siren's not in the UK) Very, very intersetingly (to us all!!) though, he mentioned the Roxy reunion!!! I couldn't get any more out of him!! BUT I WILL!! ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:30:41 +0800 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] Some other versions I recently discovered that I have a Sinatra-compilation with Ol' Blue Eyes doing Where or When, but it doesn't even come close to the wonderful vulnerability (sp???) of Ferry's version. I know I've said this before, but Where or When really really REALLY is one of Ferry's best songs ever. So there! /kicki G (not Mrs Simon G though) - -------------------------- http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG http://www.avalon.pp.se ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 20:42:31 +0100 From: "Robert Whiteford" Subject: Re: [AVALON] STL TV AD OK OK some fair points I think - certainly I suppose it's a bit early to judge. But I'm just saying that I've watched 2 full eposides of Frost and seen Sting more often than I care to mention but no maestro. And from Jocelyns observations I'm not missing much. I've seen the album officially chart at number 11 whilst his record company who are "keen to restablish him as a major recording artist" put him at no 24 in their own shops and 18 in the Our Price chain they own. They weren't that keen to re-establish him when they knocked back Horoscope and their reaction to ATGB can be judged by the fact it came out on their Dutch or German subsidiary. So no I don't think they believe in him - I really don't. You couldn't buy the atgb single outside major town record stores. By the way "This Love" is a great track , and at the risk of annoying some miles better than the likes of "Which way to turn" Anyway I agree that it's lovely to go into a record shop and see him back in the top twenty - well deserved and ATGB is so under rated by so many. Rob - ----- Original Message ----- From: Turner, Chris (cturner) To: Sent: 20 July 2000 10:57 Subject: RE: [AVALON] STL TV AD It's a very strange situation to find myself in, defending the record company, but I do think we need to have a little balance here. I feel your criticisms are a little too great and a little too premature. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 15:06:24 -0500 (CDT) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty) Subject: [AVALON] Re: Blues all that stuff Thanks Jas, for asking how I.m doing in this heat. We just may get some much needed rain Sat. It's a killer here right now , people are just making the best of it. I'll be booging til I can't Boogie any more. Yesterday I spent part of my day out of the heat getting my hair highlighted, & nails done party tonight. Never had my hair highlighted before because its dark brown but just thought beige highlights might look good, it does.------- You're right on Jas. BB is powerful. Speaking of other crazy things to do to stay out of the heat. Last week I went & got a tattoo on my ankle, one I'd designed. Two hearts connected with an arrow going thru the two. My second tattoo,btw.------- I must not be getting some of the Emails , sometime it seems as if something is missing when I read some of the Emails. Marlana........ ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:19:10 +0100 From: "Andy via Hotmail" Subject: [AVALON] Record companies & blame Ferry used to be on Branson's Virgin BUT Branson sold Virgin a while back to EMI and they are the ones who dropped him off to the German Virgin label. Branson now owns V2 records amongst others and Virgin record shops and Our Price shops. There is no special link left between Virgin Records and Virgin shops. Confusing eh? There should be a better link between HMV and EMI Virgin - HMV are part of EMI aren't they? My wife has seem several Ferry TV ads in the middle of things like 'Coronation Street' and 'Where The Heart Is' which are both soppy soap operas/dramas on ITV. It seems the marketing push is aimed at the sentimental housewife market - which ought to be huge, if they recognise the songs - and the songs in the ad are the oldest and greatest of his work (like Jealous Guy, which I must admit is getting on my nerves it's been played so much) BTW - does anyone else think 'This Love' is like Bryan meets Art of Noise?? I love it - just wish there was more of it and I don't miss the Phenomenon track (Dance With Life) from the compo at all - a v.weak track. Andy ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:32:34 +0100 From: "Therese O'Donnell" Subject: [AVALON] hello Hello everybody, Don't worry this is not another plea for tickets, I have come round to the notion that Blickling is a non-starter for me. However, I thought that I should introduce myself properly to the list which I have followed with a great deal of interest for a while. I have been a BIG fan of RM and BF since about 1980, although being a bit young and skint then, had to wait until the early 80s before I could purchase one of the sacred pieces of vinyl. I think my first album must have been 'The Atlantic Years', sorry if that's not very cool, but it became my link with the Aladdin's Cave. I have a slightly more cool claim to fame which is that the cover of 'FYP' is one of my earliest memories - I've grown up a big appreciator of style and NYC type scenes as a result. I've always wanted to see BF in concert but every time he toured, something got in the way of me going (weak I know). However, I've made up for it on this tour. I have to say that when I went to see him in Dublin I didn't really know what to expect and went with reservations thinking I was going to say 'well it's been a long time' and 'someone can't be great forever'. I have to say that when I left I was speechless and it rates as one of the best nights for me ever. I was floored. He was absolutely fab - sorry to go on but you know how it is. Anyway all the material took me back years to when I first heard it and it was as exciting as hearing it for the first time. How often can you say that of an artist performing songs 20 (in some cases nearly 30 aaagh(by the way I watched the Live Aid performance on holiday in the former Yugoslavia - how things change)) years later? Anyhow I'll sign off, just wanted to say hello and how much I enjoy the list after all ---- time spent well is so rare (you knew it was coming). And by the way Kicki I agree, 'Where or When' REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY is one of his greatest ever! Ta Ta Therese ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:03:33 +0100 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Some other versions Kicki knows where and when: > I recently discovered that I have a Sinatra-compilation with Ol' Blue Eyes > doing Where or When, but it doesn't even come close to the wonderful > vulnerability (sp???) of Ferry's version. According to the (exhaustive) Sinatra discography in my copy of Nancy Sinatra's biography of her father ('An American Legend'), the Cosa Nostra's favourite singer recorded the following songs featured on ATGB (often revisiting the same song for successive labels: Columbia, Capitol and Reprise): 'As Time Goes By' (1961), 'The Way You Look Tonight' (1964), 'Where or When' (a whopping *four* times: 1945, 1985, 1966, 1993), 'You Do Something To Me' (1950, 1960), 'Just One Of Those Things' (twice in 1964) and 'September Song' (1946, 1961, 1965). > I know I've said this before, but Where or When really really REALLY is one > of Ferry's best songs ever. You'll get no argument here, Kicki. It was this song that *really* swung the album for me. Regards, Ivor n.p. FSOL - 'Lifeforms' ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:14:18 +0100 From: "Rob Edwards" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Record companies & blame As an employee of HMV I can confirm that we are part owned by EMI. The relationship between EMI (the record label) and HMV (the retailer) does not work like that I'm afriad. We don't get any special deals or anything like that (I wish we did, other retailers would be up in arms!). I deal with EMI on the VHS/DVD front and believe me the way it works is that we are just another retailer and they are just another label. (With due respect to both parties of course). The STL album was 'sold in' to us via Virgin Records. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Andy via Hotmail Sent: 20 July 2000 20:19 To: Avalon Subject: [AVALON] Record companies & blame Ferry used to be on Branson's Virgin BUT Branson sold Virgin a while back to EMI and they are the ones who dropped him off to the German Virgin label. Branson now owns V2 records amongst others and Virgin record shops and Our Price shops. There is no special link left between Virgin Records and Virgin shops. Confusing eh? There should be a better link between HMV and EMI Virgin - HMV are part of EMI aren't they? My wife has seem several Ferry TV ads in the middle of things like 'Coronation Street' and 'Where The Heart Is' which are both soppy soap operas/dramas on ITV. It seems the marketing push is aimed at the sentimental housewife market - which ought to be huge, if they recognise the songs - and the songs in the ad are the oldest and greatest of his work (like Jealous Guy, which I must admit is getting on my nerves it's been played so much) BTW - does anyone else think 'This Love' is like Bryan meets Art of Noise?? I love it - just wish there was more of it and I don't miss the Phenomenon track (Dance With Life) from the compo at all - a v.weak track. Andy ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:22:09 +0100 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Some other versions - addendum Oops ! The second recording date for 'Where or When' should have read 1958 (not 1985). Also, for completeness, Sinatra recorded 'I Can't Get Started' (1959) and 'These Foolish Things' (1945, 1961). S'funny but I can't see 'The Bogus Man' anywhere - now THAT would be priceless...Sinatra sings 'For Your Pleasure' ("An inflatable *what* ?") All roads lead ...err...somewhere. Regards, Ivor. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:15:50 GMT From: "Kate Maley" Subject: [AVALON] info service with all the recent discussion about the information service, and it's defence, the back-up by the record company, or as i see it a lack of, it has become apparent once again that the information service has failed by not putting out a news letter re. the new slave to love compilation and its new song prior to its release. kate ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:15:32 +0100 From: "Robert Whiteford" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Some other versions - addendum "Open plan trousers - bungalow ranch style" - Sinatra 1973 PS On the Halcyon again Ivor - sorry The Bard - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ivor Canning To: Avalon Sent: 20 July 2000 22:22 Subject: Re: [AVALON] Some other versions - addendum Sinatra sings 'For Your > Pleasure' ("An inflatable *what* ?") > Regards, > > Ivor. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:31:34 +0100 From: "Jane Collard" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Some other versions About the same time that I bought ATGB I also bought George Michael's "Songs From the Last Century". That too contains a version of "Where or When" - very good, but quite different. Up-tempo, almost swing-like. It's good, and suits GM's voice, but it doesn't come close to Ferry's version. It just doesn't have the emotion. I really really REALLY agree that it's one of Ferry's best! And "This Love" is fast becoming an obsession with me - one of those songs that creeps into your head and just takes over. I think it's wonderful.. Best wishes Jane - ----- Original Message ----- From: Kicki Gustafsson To: Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Some other versions > > > I know I've said this before, but Where or When really really REALLY is one > of Ferry's best songs ever. > > > -------------------------- > http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG > http://www.avalon.pp.se > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing > selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:23:52 +0100 From: "Jane Collard" Subject: Re: [AVALON] STL TV AD Chris - I'm listening, and I accept your comments! My point about Ragley was that most of the people there were probably exactly those at whom the ads should be targeted, ie they like Ferry's better known material and would probably buy the album if they knew about it! I suppose I'm disappointed because we were led to believe there was a "large" budget, but I just don't see how it's been used effectively. I repeat my previous comment that this could have been the first step in increasing awareness ahead of the long awaited new release - and if it still proves to be so, then I'll be the first to acknowledge it (although I agree it would help if the record company knew when the new album will actually materialise!!) BTW - 25 years older than the rest of the top10 is probably being generous to our man! Best wishes Jane - ----- Original Message ----- From: Turner, Chris (cturner) To: Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 10:57 AM Subject: RE: [AVALON] STL TV AD I think this is a > perfectly well-supported release of back catalogue material. I wasn't > expecting wall-to-wall coverage. However if there were a new release... > > Jane asks why the people at Ragley hadn't heard of the new release. Which new > releases had they heard of? I was there, these people don't read the NME > every week. How did they hear about the gig? Somebody must be doing something > right. Blickling has been sold out for two weeks. > > > > Thanks for listening > > Chris > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Robert Whiteford [SMTP:robert@rwhiteford.freeserve.co.uk] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 8:01 PM > > To: avalon@smoe.org > > Subject: Re: [AVALON] STL TV AD > > > > Good points here. > > > > It's the same old story - all bluff and glory - it's a pantomime. > > > > We were told Ferry had a really big promotional budget for this - we'll I'd > > hate to see what would happen with a small one. I watch TV a lot and have > > seen nothing so far.Not a jot. > > > > Virgin just don't believe in him and now that he believes in himself again > > he should remove himself from this label. > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing > selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V5 #269 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest