From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #258 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Tuesday, July 11 2000 Volume 05 : Number 258 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Lawnography ["Grant Goggans" ] Re: [AVALON] This Love (and that) [KB Porter ] [AVALON] Names ["Reecey" ] [AVALON] john sutton - box slapper [S.J.Batie@open.ac.uk] [AVALON] Touring musicians ["Reecey" ] Re: [AVALON] This Love (and that) ["Colleen J. Matan" ] Re: [AVALON] Lawnography ["Colleen J. Matan" ] [AVALON] reecey in print ? ["Russ Feld" ] [AVALON] Ragley Hall and Jim Davidson ["Laura Shadbolt" ] RE: [AVALON] Day 1 sales. ["Rob Edwards" ] Re: [AVALON] reecey in print ? ["Killip family" Subject: [AVALON] Lawnography >Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 03:05:24 +0100 >From: thom.wallace@net.ntl.com >Subject: Re: [AVALON] Lawnography > >I think the point you are missing is that he was given access to this >material >by Ferry because he wouldn't give it out to everybody. All right, of that point I wasn't aware, so if the copy came from the artist himself with the caveat that nobody else but Lawn can have it, I'm forced to concede it. I had assumed it was something rare that someone in the public had recorded and kept to themselves and/or Lawn. I heard some tracks and >saw some video, but that doesn't mean I should automatically be given a >copy by >some sort of god given right. No, neither God nor god gave that right, but had you asked if Lawn was interested in a swap and met with any response other than "Sorry, Tom, Mr. Ferry asked that I not make copies," then Lawn's being a jerk. Look, back in the days when I had two VCRs, I traded tapes left and right. I've got a few things on video that I've never seen anyone offering for trade or sale *anywhere* thanks to an expensive and thankfully discarded habit of recording everything. At one point I had the Muppet Show with the Star Wars cast, which a lot of people want. Had I shown a room of people that episode and someone wanted a copy, and gives me a blank tape/goodwill/something else cool in return, what *right* do I have to say no? Only if Jerry Juhl or Frank Oz had said "Here's one of our old shows, but don't copy it" or if I'm being an ass. Please note: I have *every* right to be an ass and say "No, it's mine and I don't want to copy it." It still makes me an ass. If you honestly think you should be given copies >of all of Ferry's unreleased material to spread over the net then I will be >kind >by describing you as naive. Good thing I don't think that, then. I am greatfull for getting to hear and see this >material so what's your problem with that. None whatsoever. Glad to hear you did. >As a collector of Roxy/Ferry live recordings I do a lot of swaps with >people on >this list, by your chain of thought it would seem that I should be giving >away >copies of anything in my collection to anybody who takes a fancy to it. Ummm, no. Martin asked if there was a discrepancy between Lawn taking a dim view of people freely and openly swapping shows on this list and Lawn owning things and swapping them with exclusively those he pleased. I agreed with that point. I have no idea what's in your collection, Tom. It's probably a bigger collection than mine. I would never dream of *demanding* you make copies of it, but there's a difference between keeping something private for yourself and taking Lawn's anti-Avalon attitude, as shown by making the crap claims about Horoscope sessions being played/copied by people other than him. Perhaps >you fancy my vcr or pc am I supposed to say here you are help yourself? As >I >don't know you Grant all I can say is get real. You took the logic leap from "Jim Lawn has no business dissing Avalon when he's got unreleased Ferry stuff too" to "Give me your PC, Tom" and you tell *me* to get real? My problem's strictly one with Lawn's attitude. I think it's perfectly wonderful that all these Ferry shows and sessions exist at all, and think it's a shame the remasters didn't include a couple as bonus tracks like the Ryko issues of Bowie/Costello/Undertones did. And once more and more stuff makes its way into the public, by way of CD trees, or for-profit bootlegs, or as bonus tracks, or in a box set, the happier everyone: you, me and Lawn, should be. I mean, nobody gets this stuffy and mad over Grateful Dead recordings, far, far more of which are in existence. Nobody ever reports that they've heard a 1988 live 25 minute jam of "Truckin'" but that the owner refused to make a copy of it. (I hate the Dead, BTW.) The only issue is one of attitude towards control. Grant ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:04:32 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] This Love (and that) TriTri reports: "July's Tatler magazine (UK), Bryan is on a short list of Most lusted After Husbands" in an article about the most social counties in Britain." Of course he is lusted after, so why does he persist in a marital relationship that for all practical purposes appears to be a paper marriage of convenience? Is divorce to ego defeating for Mr. Ferry, an admission of failure? Divorce doesn't necessarily mean he would have less access to his sons. Surely Mr. Ferry has need of sexual contact, so would it be surprising if he were (on the side) discreetly available? And to whom, if not his accessible social set? A stolen kiss, a certain smile. Yes, this is a tawdry subject touched upon by Tatler Mag. But none the less, it is a relevant subject deep seated within the human beast. Sometimes, that which is not written is more important than what is written - read between the lines, if you will. Best wishes to all, K.B.Porter ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:20:58 +0100 From: "Reecey" Subject: [AVALON] Names Leading on from another post on here recently, I have to say I too dislike the fact that on the new Comp, the front cover has 'Bryan Ferry' despite the fact that there are 6 Roxy songs on the UK version. Don't get me wrong, I'm one of the biggest RM/BF fans going, but I was saddened to see that. Maybe it's because I grew up with Roxy ? - who knows... it's a 'credit where it's due' type situation I guess. Having said that, on the current tour I want to hear as many Roxy songs as possible, a thought shared by most Avalonians I've met on my travels. And - I'd never thought I'd say this, but the current marvellous, brilliant touring musicians beat the hell out of Roxy 'live' circa 1982. There - I admitted it ! Reecey... ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:20:34 +0100 From: S.J.Batie@open.ac.uk Subject: [AVALON] john sutton - box slapper talking as reecey does of the 'touring muscians'; does anyone know their backgrounds ?? (apologies if this has been referred to previously) > -----Original Message----- > From: Reecey [SMTP:johnny.reece@virgin.net] > Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 3:21 PM > To: Avalonia > Subject: [AVALON] Names > > > Leading on from another post on here recently, I have to say I too dislike > the fact that on the new Comp, the front cover has 'Bryan Ferry' despite > the > fact that there are 6 Roxy songs on the UK version. Don't get me wrong, > I'm > one of the biggest RM/BF fans going, but I was saddened to see that. > Maybe > it's because I grew up with Roxy ? - who knows... it's a 'credit where > it's > due' type situation I guess. > Having said that, on the current tour I want to hear as many Roxy songs as > possible, a thought shared by most Avalonians I've met on my travels. And > - > I'd never thought I'd say this, but the current marvellous, brilliant > touring musicians beat the hell out of Roxy 'live' circa 1982. There - I > admitted it ! > Reecey... > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > _ > Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing > selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:46:46 +0100 From: "Reecey" Subject: [AVALON] Touring musicians I think John Sutton was, long ago, in the Downliners Sect. (referred to then as 'Johnny Sutton'). Not sure of the rest, but Rosie & Lucy Theo often work on their own as 'Wired Strings', and also guest on many Albums in recent times - Mundy, Paul Weller etc. Lucy W. has appeared 'live' and on the recent Album by My Life Story. Julia does many live appearances at classical concerts. As for the rest - over to the list on this one... Reecey... ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:42:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "Colleen J. Matan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] This Love (and that) There are a number of responses to this but I'll go with this one for now: "huh?" Colleen [entire message intentionally attached] On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, KB Porter wrote: > TriTri reports: "July's Tatler magazine (UK), Bryan is on a short list > of Most lusted After Husbands" in an article about the most social > counties in Britain." > > > Of course he is lusted after, so why does he persist in a marital > relationship that for all practical purposes appears to be a paper > marriage of convenience? Is divorce to ego defeating for Mr. Ferry, an > admission of failure? Divorce doesn't necessarily mean he would have > less access to his sons. Surely Mr. Ferry has need of sexual contact, > so would it be surprising if he were (on the side) discreetly > available? And to whom, if not his accessible social set? > > A stolen kiss, a certain smile. > > Yes, this is a tawdry subject touched upon by Tatler Mag. But none the > less, it is a relevant subject deep seated within the human beast. > > Sometimes, that which is not written is more important than what is > written - read between the lines, if you will. > > Best wishes to all, K.B.Porter ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:28:01 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Lawnography [ OK, I must weigh in: ] Tom wrote: "I never knew that Bryan had performed the Sonnet live and it may well have been the only time that he has so a big, big thanks to Jim for letting me have a look at this." [ Tom, how very fortunate you are to be privy to that opportunity. I can not understand, however, why you would use this list to thank someone who is not a member for some kindness shown to you, regardless of subject content. My initial reaction was, and remains, "Why are you telling us this?" when there is no chance of affording us with this exclusivity? Please don't misunderstand, I am not attacking you, I merely question the wisdom of sharing that info with us. I further appreciate the general information that you have so kindly passed to this list, but I do not understand why Mr. Lawn persists in using mouth-piece communication rather than directly posting? He does run the info service - it makes sense to post to a gathered group as opposed to posting it's individual members (economies of scale and time?) in the dissemination of information. ] Martin, in response to Tom: "A big big thanks for sharing that with us. One assumes Jim won't be sharing the tape with Avalon." Tom comes back with: "I think the point you (Grant) are missing is that he was given access to this material by Ferry because he wouldn't give it out to everybody." [ I must ask: In this instance, does "everybody" equal "anyone"? Or does "everybody" mean "selective dissemination"? ] Also referencing Grant Goggans who wrote: " Martin asked if there was a discrepancy between Lawn taking a dim view of people freely and openly swapping shows on this list and Lawn owning things and swapping them with exclusively those he pleased. I agreed with that point. ... I would never dream of *demanding* you make copies of it, but there's a difference between keeping something private for yourself and taking Lawn's anti-Avalon attitude, as shown by making the crap claims about Horoscope sessions being played/copied by people other than him." [ I have wondered if Jim Lawn's aggressive accusations had been prompted because HE was the one who initially "leaked" the horoscope sessions to someone who shared with someone, etc. It is obvious, barring a burglary, that a thing such as horoscope had to come directly from someone in the Ferry camp. Sometimes, the "lady" who doth protest too much, is the guilty party. I make no accusations here, I am only exposing a reasonably logical train of thought. And how does Mr. Lawn come by his information that approximately ten to twenty Avalonians are in possession of this "pirated" material? Expose yourself, communicate your concerns directly Mr. Lawn - what was there to gain in alienating some of Bryan Ferry's most ardent, loyal fans? Have you truly served your employer to the best of his interest? I would accept an apology along with a promise to treat Avalon List with respect and dignity befitting any Ferry Fan who has stood by their man through thick and thin, who have diligently and lavishly spent considerably sums of hard earned moneys on official Ferry/Roxy releases. Presumably, we help employ Mr. Lawn. Without us... well, livelihoods might be less lively. Your reply, Mr. Lawn, may be posted at avalon@smoe.org. Thank you for your consideration. Best wishes, KBPorter The above is only the thoughts and opinions of a lowly Bryan Ferry supporter. Please have mercy on me for any sacrilege I may have inadvertently committed in the pursuit of clarity and civility. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:32:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "Colleen J. Matan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Lawnography On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Grant Goggans wrote: [...] > Ummm, no. Martin asked if there was a discrepancy between Lawn taking > a dim view of people freely and openly swapping shows on this list and > Lawn owning things and swapping them with exclusively those he > pleased. I agreed with that point. > > I have no idea what's in your collection, Tom. It's probably a bigger > collection than mine. I would never dream of *demanding* you make > copies of it, but there's a difference between keeping something > private for yourself and taking Lawn's anti-Avalon attitude, as shown > by making the crap claims about Horoscope sessions being played/copied > by people other than him. Just to clarify--and I have no opinion either way on Jim Lawn since I have never had any contact with the fan club: as I remember it, Mr. Lawn was alleging there was profiteering off unreleased studio material. The key word here being "unreleased." As a member of Ferry's management, he has certainly every right to be concerned about such things. (And so what if Jim Lawn doesn't like Avalon? Who cares? This list is not an extension of the fan club and as such he owes us nothing.) Finally, Grant, I share your feelings about people not sharing. Sadly, things have changed on this list (and on others), although there are certainly some generous folks here. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:37:21 +0100 From: S.J.Batie@open.ac.uk Subject: [AVALON] castle howard sorry to be a pain, but can a kind soul please give me a number for this venue. i know it's a long shot, but my summer school has been postponed by a week. replies off list. thanks in advance. s ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:01:47 -0700 From: "Turner, Chris (cturner)" Subject: RE: [AVALON] castle howard The number for tickets is 08701 514444 You can buy tickets online at www.ticketmaster.co.uk Folks, if some of you are wavering about attending Castle Howard remember this - This may well be the last date of the tour, maybe even the last date ever. Without hyperbole, Ferry is in great voice, and is backed by a wonderful set of musicians, playing the pick of his extensive catalogue. Add to that the fact that the place will be thick with Avalonians, and filmed for posterity, and it adds up to something special, perhaps very special indeed... Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: S.J.Batie@open.ac.uk [SMTP:S.J.Batie@open.ac.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 4:37 PM > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: [AVALON] castle howard > > sorry to be a pain, but can a kind soul please give me a number for this > venue. > > i know it's a long shot, but my summer school has been postponed by a week. > > replies off list. > > thanks in advance. > > > > > s > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing > selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:18:15 +0100 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Criminal Records... S.J. Batie wants the M.O. on a suspicious-looking bunch: > talking as reecey does of the 'touring muscians'; does anyone know their > backgrounds ?? > > (apologies if this has been referred to previously) Further to Reecey's comments: According to the current tour programme, nearly all of them of them have College of Music/University backgrounds except Enrico 'Lofty' Tomasso (trumpet) who not only met and played for Louis Armstrong but also corresponded with him, John 'Lifer' Sutton (drums) who was, as Mr Reece says, in the Downliners Sect during the 60s and Nils 'Rick Wright' Solberg (guitar) who has a background playing jazz round Europe, is in a group called The Rhythm Boys (as opposed to the (Roxy) Rhythm Rascals) and has recorded and toured with Nigel Kennedy. Robert 'Grant Mitchell' Fowler (saxophone) has apparently released his own CD of Coleman Hawkins/Ben Webster-styled jazz (called 'Front and Centre') and Malcolm Earle 'Earl' Smith (trombone) has toured with Martha Reeves and Ronnie Spector. Zev 'Smiler' Katz (bass) has worked with a diverse range of people including Aretha Franklin, Billy Joel, Dr John and Jewel. Colin 'Alan Bennett' Good compose for theatre TV and films and has toured with the Inkspots. As Reecey mentioned, Lucy 'Edwina' Wilkins (violin) does indeed play on the new My Life Story album ('Joined Up Talking') which I quite like actually (sorry Simon !!). According to the programme, Ian 'Eastender' Dixon (saxophone) has played with Simply Red but I'm pleased to say he redeems himself (as Iain Dixon) on jazzer Julian Arguelles' fine album 'Escapade', alongside that other famous Loose Tube, Django Bates (himself lately ex- of Bill Bruford's superb Earthworks). I suspect Julia 'Thumbs' Thornton has musical siblings - a 1994 re-recording of Gavin Bryars' 'Sinking of The Titanic' (first recorded for Brian Eno's Obscure label in 1975) includes a children's string section comprising Camilla Thornton on viola and Lucy Thornton on 'cello alongside Bryars' own children. Any more ? Regards, Ivor 'Constanze' Canning n.p. Sheila Chandra 'Nada Brahma' ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:29:40 BST From: "Russ Feld" Subject: [AVALON] reecey in print ? Did anyone else from this list in the south of england catch the radio station LBC about 6 oclock tonight, tuesday. A little talk on the great Nick Hornby book 'High Fidelity' which has just been made into a film though now set in America. they said it was about a record shop in crouch end , london called Listen, and here on the line is the owner Johnny Reece. Well knock me down with a feather reecey. There you were fielding the questions, not admitting its about you and your shop but not denying it either. Have you been rumbled or was it a publicity stunt ? Full story Mr. reece, I think we should be told. Russ (delurking) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:56:56 +0100 From: "Laura Shadbolt" Subject: [AVALON] Ragley Hall and Jim Davidson Hi, Unfortunately it looks rather like I won't be able to attend Ragley Hall after all. The relatives we were originally going to go with are probably not going, and my dad and I would have nowhere to stay. The general family problems don't help. It's a shame because I was really looking forward to meeting some of you. I'll just have to hope Bryan does a fuller tour for the next "proper" album. On the subject of the Jim Davidson programme, I forgot about it until about halfway through the programme, so I taped the rest but he had already been on. So that was annoying :-( I'll hope he does more promotional performance in the near future. It's certainly promising to hear that he's in the Tesco chart ;-) It'll be interesting to see how he does in the charts in weeks to come. Bye, Laura ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:03:14 PDT From: "mark shanahan" Subject: [AVALON] lawnscaping >From: "Richard Swift" >It seems to me that, as far as certain people on this list are concerned - >chiefly Martin - Jim Lawn will never be capable of putting a foot right. >We've been through this tired tirade [snip] for my twopennyworth ... he just didn't set a *first* foot right when he off-handedly accused the list of either containing or harboring profiteers of unreleased ferry material. whatever he said - i'm not even attempting to paraphrase here. all i'm saying is that it's not so much what you do, but how you do it. [and i freely admit that i ought to know ...] so he's part of the line of defense that helps to keep things unreleased stay that way. great. the hat's off ... but there are ways and then there are *other* ways to do things, n'est-ce pas? oui-oui. i hold no grudge against mr. lawn. i'd be happy to share some of the black stuff with him and [almost] all the rest of you. i said what i had to say about it way back when. i think he was out of line at that time. other than things *like* that, he can do whatever he pleases. share - don't share/can't share ... >Jim has been the subject of a series of vicious mails on this oooh, that was me! i am a *viscious* bastard, if nothing else. sorry! >Come on - everythings coming up roses right now as far as Bryan is >concerned. His lean period seems to be in the past. Can't that be where >we leave some of these old grievances? well, it *is* pretty rosy - so, OK. however, free tickets, plus return air fare to castle howard [from mr. lawn] would *definitely* put it all in the past for me - without any questions asked! [snip] For my part I will be happy to be as blissfully unaware of what >goes on here as I truly believe Bryan is (come on, you don't really >believes he reads this stuff...do you?) because I'm off on holiday. sure he reads this stuff - he's *monquiboy*, isn't he? ook-ook/ms ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:17:25 +0100 From: "Rob Edwards" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Day 1 sales. If you are interested. As I work for HMV I have checked out day one sales for the Slave to Love CD. So far so good. It has entered at a healthy (ish) position after one day. It's not our core market but we are doing well with it. Sorry I can't be more specific than that, company confidentiality etc. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:14:08 +0100 From: "Killip family" Subject: Re: [AVALON] reecey in print ? Reecey, I read High-Fidelity only in May of this year..is it really you!! Come on! David - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ Feld" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 8:29 PM Subject: [AVALON] reecey in print ? > Did anyone else from this list in the south of england catch the radio > station LBC about 6 oclock tonight, tuesday. A little talk on the great > Nick Hornby book 'High Fidelity' which has just been made into a film though > now set in America. they said it was about a record shop in crouch end , > london called Listen, and here on the line is the owner Johnny Reece. Well > knock me down with a feather reecey. There you were fielding the questions, > not admitting its about you and your shop but not denying it either. Have > you been rumbled or was it a publicity stunt ? Full story Mr. reece, I > think we should be told. > Russ (delurking) > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing > selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:04:35 +0100 From: stevesiren Subject: [AVALON] any clever people out there? Apologies for being totally off topic , but around a year ago i was given a "quiz" sheet with cryptic clues which should give you an answer of a musical group or artist, for example - Cinema tunes= roxy music hard of hearing cat= def leppard now i've got 99 of them but i've been stuck on one for 12 months now & i've lost contact with the person who gave it to me, & knowing how clever avalonians are i thought i'd ask you. the clue is "the nightwatch & the jewish merchant" so if anyone can help please e-mail me (off list if you like) with the answer......PLEASE no prizes though, just the knowledge that you've made a fellow avalonian very happy! thanks Steve ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:22:51 +0100 From: thom.wallace@net.ntl.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ragley Hall and Jim Davidson Hi Laura, Sorry to hear about your problems at home and that you won't make it to any of the shows. If you send me your address off list (ok, I've lost it since the last time) and I'll send you a copy of the Jim Davidson performance and any of the other recent tv appearances that you missed. Cheers, Tom. Laura Shadbolt wrote: > Hi, > > Unfortunately it looks rather like I won't be able to attend Ragley Hall after > all. The relatives we were originally going to go with are probably not going, > and my dad and I would have nowhere to stay. The general family problems don't > help. It's a shame because I was really looking forward to meeting some of you. > I'll just have to hope Bryan does a fuller tour for the next "proper" album. > > On the subject of the Jim Davidson programme, I forgot about it until about > halfway through the programme, so I taped the rest but he had already been on. > So that was annoying :-( I'll hope he does more promotional performance in the > near future. It's certainly promising to hear that he's in the Tesco chart ;-) > It'll be interesting to see how he does in the charts in weeks to come. > > Bye, > Laura > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing > selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:11:48 +0100 From: thom.wallace@net.ntl.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Lawnography KB Porter wrote: > Please don't misunderstand, I am not attacking you, I > merely question the wisdom of sharing that info with us. You may be disturbed by being told that something exists, but I'm sure that there are those on the list who would like to know what recordings Ferry audio or visual that Bryan has done. > I further > appreciate the general information that you have so kindly passed to > this list, but I do not understand why Mr. Lawn persists in using > mouth-piece communication rather than directly posting? He does run the > info service - it makes sense to post to a gathered group as opposed to > posting it's individual members (economies of scale and time?) in the > dissemination of information. ] Has it occurred to you that with a full time job, the information service and the various other bits of work he does for Ferry that he may not have time to deal with posting things directly on the list. If there is information coming on to the list does it matter if it was typed directly by the hands of Jim Lawn or someone with whom he is in regular contact and happens to be a list member. > [ I have wondered if Jim Lawn's aggressive accusations had been prompted > because HE was the one who initially "leaked" the horoscope sessions to > someone who shared with someone, etc. It is obvious, barring a > burglary, that a thing such as horoscope had to come directly from > someone in the Ferry camp. Sometimes, the "lady" who doth protest too > much, is the guilty party. This argument could equally apply to any of the list members who made aggressive and personal attacks on Jim Lawn while saying that there was no way a list member would do such a thing. I enjoy the contacts I have made through the list, but I wouldn't be telling the truth if I were to say that I knew them all that well. After all the only information the bulk of us have about each other is that which we decide to volunteer. If everybody were as they seem then why have there been references on the list in the past about members subscribing under a pseudonym? Tom. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:43:54 +0100 From: thom.wallace@net.ntl.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Lawnography Grant Goggans wrote: > >No, neither God nor god gave that right, but had you asked if Lawn was > interested in a swap and met with any response other than "Sorry, Tom, Mr. > Ferry asked that I not make copies," then Lawn's being a jerk. You seem to be presuming that would have been expecting him to make me copies of the material I had seen. > At one point I had the Muppet Show with the > Star Wars cast, which a lot of people want. Had I shown a room of people > that episode and someone wanted a copy, and gives me a blank > tape/goodwill/something else cool in return, what *right* do I have to say > no? It's hardly the same thing when dealing with something that you taped from the tv as opposed to a copy given to you by the artist/s for your own use and not to be passed on. The Polish footage I saw came to Jim under the latter, though it was of a projected tv broadcast. I don't know if it was shown or not and I would never have known it existed had Jim Lawn not shown me his copy. At least I now know that it exists and If he can't give me a copy then I'm not going to go and sulk in the corner. > Ummm, no. Martin asked if there was a discrepancy between Lawn taking a dim > view of people freely and openly swapping shows on this list and Lawn owning > things and swapping them with exclusively those he pleased. I agreed with > that point. You are making the assumption that Jim is swapping the material he gets in his position with the Ferry. > My problem's strictly one with Lawn's attitude. What attitude is this? Jim Lawn does not have a problem with the cd chains of live material that goes on through the list. Rightly or wrongly he believed that some one on this list was selling copies of "Horoscope" so he asked that this be put forward on the list. At least he doesn't resort to personal attacks and the name calling that he comes in for from a minority on this list. How many of this minority have actually spoken to Jim Lawn? I didn't see any of the avalonians who spoke to Jim at Tatton Park or Elton Hall giving him tirades of abuse. If it comes down to attitude then I would have to question yours. Martin, I hear that you were standing next to Jim at Petwoth so why didn't you voice any of your views then, or do you only do it over the net. > I mean, nobody gets this stuffy and mad over Grateful Dead recordings, far, > far more of which are in existence. Nobody ever reports that they've heard a > 1988 live 25 minute jam of "Truckin'" but that the owner refused to make a > copy of it. So what, because you would rather not be told about or shown material that you can't get a copy of does not mean that everybody on the list thinks the same. Tom. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:23:21 EDT From: POE1527@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Avalon Ballroom - US distribution count me in hj me thinks i have your post from a previous procurement thanks again ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:05:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "Colleen J. Matan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Lawnography On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, KB Porter wrote: [...] > exposing a reasonably logical train of thought. And how does Mr. Lawn > come by his information that approximately ten to twenty Avalonians are > in possession of this "pirated" material? How indeed. > Expose yourself, communicate your concerns directly Mr. Lawn - what was > there to gain in alienating some of Bryan Ferry's most ardent, loyal > fans? Have you truly served your employer to the best of his interest? > I would accept an apology along with a promise to treat Avalon List with > respect and dignity befitting any Ferry Fan who has stood by their man > through thick and thin, who have diligently and lavishly spent > considerably sums of hard earned moneys on official Ferry/Roxy > releases. Presumably, we help employ Mr. Lawn. Without us... well, > livelihoods might be less lively. Your reply, Mr. Lawn, may be posted > at avalon@smoe.org. Thank you for your consideration. Best wishes, > KBPorter And if he doesn't apologize I suggest slapping his face with your glove and choosing your second. 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