From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #257 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Tuesday, July 11 2000 Volume 05 : Number 257 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Ferry Review ["Turner, Chris (cturner)" ] Re: [AVALON] Lawnography ["Grant Goggans" ] Re: [AVALON] Lawnography ["Colleen J. Matan" ] Re: [AVALON] This Love (and the rest) ["Theresa Fagan" ] Re: [AVALON] Lawnography [Doll819@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Odds & Sods. [thom.wallace@net.ntl.com] Re: [AVALON] This Love [thom.wallace@net.ntl.com] Re: [AVALON] Moving "sale" [thom.wallace@net.ntl.com] Re: [AVALON] Lawnography [thom.wallace@net.ntl.com] Re: [AVALON] Lawnography [thom.wallace@net.ntl.com] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 01:11:22 -0700 From: "Turner, Chris (cturner)" Subject: [AVALON] Ferry Review Hello All, There was a favourable review of STL in that otherwise appalling rag The Sunday Mirror. Ferry's compilation is "perfect for anyone who ever did Bryan Ferry impressions in the bathroom mirror" I think I've been busted... Chris ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 06:36:26 EDT From: "Grant Goggans" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Lawnography Martin wrote: A big big thanks for sharing that with us. One assumes Jim won't be sharing the tape with Avalon. Is there not a contradiction in his attitude to unreleased recordings (audio and/or visual) that he shares with a few friends and his attitude to our, relatively open, dissemination of unofficial material ? There's a huge contradiction, and it revolves around exactly one point: control. When Jim Lawn, and only Jim Lawn, has a copy of a live "Sonnet No. 18," he decides who listens to it. When everyone on Avalon has a copy of it, then hundreds can hear it. We can even play it for friends who aren't really big Ferry fans or something he would find annoying. God knows I've seen *this* before. I used to be a big Doctor Who fan, and I'm reminded of the mid-80s when British fans who wanted to get old Who episodes, particularly extant episodes from serials the BBC mostly lost, had to deal with jerks who would go "Well, I'll make you a copy, but you can't copy it for anyone else, OK?" The fanzines of the period are full of people with pseudonyms complaining about this "elitism." This probably happened a lot in America as well, but I only saw it once, from a real jerk who told me "well, then it wouldn't be *rare*" if I copied it around. It's the main way this twit, and Lawn, got some kind of social status. The day every Ferry rarity is out in the public's hands will be the day Lawn withers up and dies like a dried leaf. Because then we won't have any need to talk about him. Grant ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 07:36:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "Colleen J. Matan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Lawnography On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Grant Goggans wrote: > Martin wrote: > > A big big thanks for sharing that with us. One assumes Jim won't be sharing > the tape with Avalon. > > Is there not a contradiction in his attitude to unreleased recordings (audio > and/or visual) that he shares with a few friends and his attitude to our, > relatively open, dissemination of unofficial material ? > > There's a huge contradiction, and it revolves around exactly one point: > control. When Jim Lawn, and only Jim Lawn, has a copy of a live "Sonnet No. > 18," he decides who listens to it. When everyone on Avalon has a copy of > it, then hundreds can hear it. We can even play it for friends who aren't > really big Ferry fans or something he would find annoying. [...] > The day every Ferry rarity is out in the public's hands will be the day > Lawn withers up and dies like a dried leaf. Because then we won't have > any need to talk about him. I think you guys have it backwards. As the president of the fan club and as, presumably, a Ferry employee, Mr. Lawn's job is to guard Mr. Ferry's interests, particularly with respect to unreleased material (where the artist has the absolute, not to mention legal, right of first use and gets to decide where, when, and how his or her work is presented to the public*). As fans, our goal is to get our hands on rare stuff. So there is some natural head-butting, because he's not just a fan like the rest of us; he's management, so the fact that people seem to be angry or resentful that he is doing his job puzzles me. If Mr. Lawn then plays (as opposed to distributes) unreleased stuff to some people who are fans for whatever reason, well that's his business. And if that is important to you for some reason, it seems from the posts of people on this list that it's pretty easy to befriend Mr. Lawn, so why not take that route? Speaking only for myself, life goes on with or without this stuff. *(Please note that this does not mean that I would not like to acquire some of the rare and/or unreleased stuff. It just means that if I did, you can be damn sure I wouldn't be blabbing all about it to Mr. Lawn [or anyone else in the Ferry camp, for that matter] in some sort of collector's one-upmanship.) Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 09:31:13 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON]Today's Sunday Times Culture/gigs <<>> Jane! Be thankful you are preparing to see Bryan Ferry at Ragley Hall and not at Jerry Hall. That would be wretched, indeed. Have a great time for the absent! KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:58:05 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Lawnography - ---------- >From: "Colleen J. Matan" > Mr. Lawn's job is to guard Mr. Ferry's > interests, particularly with respect to unreleased material (where the > artist has the absolute, not to mention legal, right of first use and gets > to decide where, when, and how his or her work is presented to the > public*). As fans, our goal is to get our hands on rare stuff. So there > is some natural head-butting, because he's not just a fan like the rest of > us; he's management, so the fact that people seem to be angry or resentful > that he is doing his job puzzles me. Succinctly put Colleen, and I hear where you're coming from. And I do thank Thom and Richard for passing on the inside track from time to time. (I could do with a little less fawning.) I am not inclined, however, to doff my cap (with big big thanks) as we scavenge morsels from the top table. Especially as the Information Service has provided such a pathetic, err, service - unreliable, poorly presented, intermittently produced etc - over the past decade. Don't be puzzled by the resentment either. We all do jobs but most of us know when we're persuing an agenda outside our remit. Joining Avalon in 1998 - three years since a public performance - I was thrilled to find a global community singing from the same hymn sheet as me. When this tour began I knew that these friendships I'd forged would hit paydirt ; and sure enough, as tickets went on sale at my local theatre an Avalonion would dial my mobile to alert me to call the box-office. Result : Avalon nirvana. Row upon row of familiar faces, all up to pace. If we'd relied on the official newsletter we'd have been in row Z next to someone who only recognized the chorus of Oh Yeah. This kinship deserves credit and loyalty. So when the leader of the Information Service clearly disabuses this group to the subject of one's affection ... well let the chips fall where they may. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:37:01 +0200 From: Stephen.Pepperrell@t-online.de (Stephen Pepperrell) Subject: Re: [AVALON] Lawnography I'll sign that......... Steve Martin Stockman schrieb: > > > > ---------- > >From: "Colleen J. Matan" > > > Mr. Lawn's job is to guard Mr. Ferry's > > interests, particularly with respect to unreleased material (where the > > artist has the absolute, not to mention legal, right of first use and gets > > to decide where, when, and how his or her work is presented to the > > public*). As fans, our goal is to get our hands on rare stuff. So there > > is some natural head-butting, because he's not just a fan like the rest of > > us; he's management, so the fact that people seem to be angry or resentful > > that he is doing his job puzzles me. > > Succinctly put Colleen, and I hear where you're coming from. And I do thank > Thom and Richard for passing on the inside track from time to time. (I could > do with a little less fawning.) > > I am not inclined, however, to doff my cap (with big big thanks) as we > scavenge morsels from the top table. Especially as the Information Service > has provided such a pathetic, err, service - unreliable, poorly presented, > intermittently produced etc - over the past decade. > > Don't be puzzled by the resentment either. We all do jobs but most of us > know when we're persuing an agenda outside our remit. > > Joining Avalon in 1998 - three years since a public performance - I was > thrilled to find a global community singing from the same hymn sheet as me. > When this tour began I knew that these friendships I'd forged would hit > paydirt ; and sure enough, as tickets went on sale at my local theatre an > Avalonion would dial my mobile to alert me to call the box-office. Result : > Avalon nirvana. Row upon row of familiar faces, all up to pace. If we'd > relied on the official newsletter we'd have been in row Z next to someone > who only recognized the chorus of Oh Yeah. This kinship deserves credit and > loyalty. So when the leader of the Information Service clearly disabuses > this group to the subject of one's affection ... well let the chips fall > where they may. > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing > selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:14:20 +0100 From: "Jane Collard" Subject: Re: [AVALON] This Love (and the rest) Well, I braved the rain and the wind of our wonderful summer to rush to my local branch of Our Price at lunchtime. There it was, the long awaited STL compilation. Handed over my hard-earned cash and dashed back to the office (well actually the car park so that I could sit in the car and listen to This Love). CD player in car refused to co-operate so I had to wait until I got home this evening. Anyway, in my opinion, it's well worth the wait. "This Love" is beautifully produced and wonderfully sung, and is a fine addition to Bryan's repertoire. Believe it or not, I'd never heard "Sonnet" before either (never got round to listening to the Diana Tribute CD) - I think it's quite breathtaking. So, even without all the other familiar and much-loved tracks, the CD is a big success as far as I'm concerned! I really hope it succeeds commercially and introduces Bryan to a new audience. Happy listening Jane > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing > selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:11:34 +0100 From: "Robert Whiteford" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Slave to this Love It seems to have slipped by largely unoticed that we have gone from separate "Bryan Ferry" and "Roxy Music" to "Bryan Ferry and Roxy Music" to just "Bryan Ferry" on album with Roxy tracks on it. Has the maestro now complete use of the Roxy name ? Rob ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:51:55 +0200 From: "luc.morvillier" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Long, lonely shadow... Johnny, When I read your review from Paris, I'm quiet proud to live in this town. Thanks for advertising !!! The STL version you have seen is still the Swedish import; we expect the other one in the next days....the expensive ATGB is the Japonese import....I used to buy them also, but this time there are no extra tracks, only lyrics into Japonese... ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:35:13 EDT From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON]Today's Sunday Times Culture/gigs In a message dated 07/09/2000 6:40:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Jane.Collard@ukgateway.net writes: << I'll look for other Avalonians left of stage near the front. Any clues as to how to recognise?(do any attendees have their photos on the website?). >> What we need is our own t-shirts with identifiable AVALON logo. Any budding graphic designers? Arnie ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:05:40 0000 From: "diane whateley" Subject: Re: [AVALON] This Love How does the ordinary mortal get hold of that? Diane - -- On Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:55:51 Richard Swift wrote: >There is a 'radio single' out which includes "Sonnet", "Crazy Love" and >"This Love". An edit of "Crazy Love" is going to be released in Canada. > >Richard > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Kate Maley >Subject: [AVALON] This Love > > >> does anyone kmow of any single to be released to promote the slave to love >> compilation? >> thanks >> kate maley > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing >selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > > Send FREE Greetings for Father's Day--or any day! Click here: http://www.whowhere.lycos.com/redirects/fathers_day.rdct ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:38:17 -0400 From: "Theresa Fagan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] This Love (and the rest) can't wait to get it on Napster!! ;-) BTW, in July's Tatler magazine (UK), Bryan is on a short list of "Most Lusted After Husbands" in an article about the most social counties in Britain. Then there's a pic of Bryan, on pages further, being social, in Dubai. - --TriTri - -----Original Message----- From: Jane Collard ||Anyway, in my opinion, it's well worth the wait. "This Love" is beautifully |produced and wonderfully sung, and is a fine addition to Bryan's repertoire. | ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:06:23 +0100 From: "Richard Swift" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Lawnography It seems to me that, as far as certain people on this list are concerned - chiefly Martin - Jim Lawn will never be capable of putting a foot right. We've been through this tired tirade before but the same people seem intent on resurrecting the same old issues. Even when Jim goes out of his way to pass on pieces of information, you can rely on Martin to turn the thing on its head and find some reason to criticise Jim. The man readily admits the Information Service isn't all that it could be because it forms just a tiny part of what he does. "Get some assistance" it's often been said but I would guess that's not really in his remit - it's Bryan who engages people. So the man does the best he can - meets people from this list at concerts, tries to pass on information to this list, shares a couple of unreleased songs with a member of this list and indicates a readiness to share more by way of a series of mini conventions if time allows (starting in Scotland). Jim has been the subject of a series of vicious mails on this list and a heap of further abuse when he dared to have a 'go' back (my terminology, not his) about unreleased material. Despite this he goes out of his way to meet people and pass on information. I call that trying to build bridges and be 'inclusive'. I wish other people would do the same. Finally Martin (and anyone else) - before you start talking about fawning yet again, I simply call it good manners to express thanks to someone who is good enough to be as helpful as Jim has been to me. Come on - everythings coming up roses right now as far as Bryan is concerned. His lean period seems to be in the past. Can't that be where we leave some of these old grievances? I hope Bryan's iminent return to the charts isn't marked by yet another round of 'Jim bashing'. If it is, I hope some of the people on this list who have met Jim on this tour will have something positive to say. For my part I will be happy to be as blissfully unaware of what goes on here as I truly believe Bryan is (come on, you don't really believes he reads this stuff...do you?) because I'm off on holiday. Richard ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:25:16 EDT From: Doll819@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Lawnography Hey Richard! Nice meeting you at Elton Hall. Saw the post regarding Jim Lawn's mini-conventions. Please let him know that if he would like to attend the First Annual Tennessee Avalonian Convention, he is more than welcome, & he will have the undivided attention of all two of us. Everyone else is also invited. D ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:48:55 +0100 From: thom.wallace@net.ntl.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Odds & Sods. CSOlive123@aol.com wrote: > Tom, > can we rely on February 2001 for new Ferry material with his track > record? Let's hope so! > I'm a new member, what's this about Paris video? > Also, do you or anyone else know if recording at Royal Albert Hall will be > used in a video? > > Thanks > > Collette As far as I know the new album is to be in the hands of the record company by the end of november, if this is so it may be a sign that Bryan will not be allowed the time to tie the recordings down with remixes and overduds like he has in the past. If it doesn't appaer in feb 2000 then it wont be long after that before it does. It doesn't look like thay will bw useing the RAH footage as they already seem to be commited to releasing the Paris show with a possible release of footage from Castle howard at a latter date. Cheers, Tom. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 02:42:09 +0100 From: thom.wallace@net.ntl.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] This Love As far as I know Diane it won't be a pressed silver cd, but a cd-r. These tend to crop up on sites like e-bay and Esprit and they can at times be going for totally silly prices. diane whateley wrote: > How does the ordinary mortal get hold of that? > Diane > -- > > On Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:55:51 > Richard Swift wrote: > >There is a 'radio single' out which includes "Sonnet", "Crazy Love" and > >"This Love". An edit of "Crazy Love" is going to be released in Canada. > > > >Richard > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Kate Maley > >Subject: [AVALON] This Love > > > > > >> does anyone kmow of any single to be released to promote the slave to love > >> compilation? > >> thanks > >> kate maley > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > >Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing > >selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! > >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > >unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > Send FREE Greetings for Father's Day--or any day! > Click here: http://www.whowhere.lycos.com/redirects/fathers_day.rdct > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing > selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:51:55 +0100 From: thom.wallace@net.ntl.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Moving "sale" Hi Alannah, Just a quick posting to ask if you could let me have a couple of the Avalon magnets. I will be refreshing my list at the weekend and will send you a copy. Btw, don't forgat to keep hold of the litheo for me. Cheers, Tom. alannah selene wrote: > Just a quick message to ask you kind souls if you would be interested in any > of the following items (for trade only--I won't sell). I just moved and > mice seem to be very fond of my apartment, so I would love to get these > things to good homes before they get munched on: > -ATGB promo posters > -ATGB/More Than This comp. promo flats (ATGB on one side, MTT on other) > -Bryan Ferry black and white limited lithographs--very lovely! > > If anyone is wondering how I got these, I work at a record store and I am > the only Ferry fan there so I took everything we got that wasn't used in > display! I also have some magnets which feature the AVALON album cover > which are maybe 2 inches x 2 inches...these were promo giveaways and I would > be willing to give one to anyone who sends me a self addressed/stamped > return envelope! They're kind of fun. Email me privately for info on any > of the above. > > Sorry to make this long, but I also wanted to mention to the US people who > are still looking for the cardboard sleeve re-issue cds that I consistently > see them in stock at Media Play! > Thanks, > Alannah > alannahrose@hotmail.com > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing > selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 02:49:36 +0100 From: thom.wallace@net.ntl.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Lawnography Doll819@aol.com wrote: > Hey Richard! > > Nice meeting you at Elton Hall. > > Saw the post regarding Jim Lawn's mini-conventions. Please let him know that > if he would like to attend the First Annual Tennessee Avalonian Convention, > he is more than welcome, & he will have the undivided attention of all two of > us. > > Everyone else is also invited. > > D Deb dear If you want to pay for a return ticket to Scotland for me then you can count me in. It was good to see you at Elton Hall and I'm glad that you enjoyed the show. Cheers, Tom. ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 03:05:24 +0100 From: thom.wallace@net.ntl.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Lawnography I think the point you are missing is that he was given access to this material by Ferry because he wouldn't give it out to everybody. I heard some tracks and saw some video, but that doesn't mean I should automatically be given a copy by some sort of god given right. If you honestly think you should be given copies of all of Ferry's unreleased material to spread over the net then I will be kind by describing you as naive. I am greatfull for getting to hear and see this material so what's your problem with that. As a collector of Roxy/Ferry live recordings I do a lot of swaps with people on this list, by your chain of thought it would seem that I should be giving away copies of anything in my collection to anybody who takes a fancy to it. Perhaps you fancy my vcr or pc am I supposed to say here you are help yourself? As I don't know you Grant all I can say is get real. Tom Wallace. Grant Goggans wrote: > Martin wrote: > > A big big thanks for sharing that with us. One assumes Jim won't be sharing > the tape with Avalon. > > Is there not a contradiction in his attitude to unreleased recordings (audio > and/or visual) that he shares with a few friends and his attitude to our, > relatively open, dissemination of unofficial material ? > > There's a huge contradiction, and it revolves around exactly one point: > control. When Jim Lawn, and only Jim Lawn, has a copy of a live "Sonnet No. > 18," he decides who listens to it. When everyone on Avalon has a copy of > it, then hundreds can hear it. We can even play it for friends who aren't > really big Ferry fans or something he would find annoying. > > God knows I've seen *this* before. I used to be a big Doctor Who fan, and > I'm reminded of the mid-80s when British fans who wanted to get old Who > episodes, particularly extant episodes from serials the BBC mostly lost, had > to deal with jerks who would go "Well, I'll make you a copy, but you can't > copy it for anyone else, OK?" The fanzines of the period are full of people > with pseudonyms complaining about this "elitism." > > This probably happened a lot in America as well, but I only saw it once, > from a real jerk who told me "well, then it wouldn't be *rare*" if I copied > it around. It's the main way this twit, and Lawn, got some kind of social > status. > > The day every Ferry rarity is out in the public's hands will be the day Lawn > withers up and dies like a dried leaf. Because then we won't have any need > to talk about him. > > Grant > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing > selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ Come to Las Vegas and hear the indestructible tagline sing selections from "The Jazz Singer" ! To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V5 #257 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest