From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #216 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, June 7 2000 Volume 05 : Number 216 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [AVALON] Valentine [avalon-digest V5 #215] ["David Squires" ] RE: [AVALON] Bad Songs/Good Singer ["Turner, Chris (cturner)" ] Re: [AVALON] weakest ["Sebastian Fasthuber" ] Re: [AVALON] Metaphysical Ferryland [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] Bad Songs/Good Singer/Good Writers ["Ivor Canning" ] Re: [AVALON] Don't make me cry [KB Porter ] RE: [AVALON] Bad Songs/Good Singer/Good Writers ["Turner, Chris (cturner)] Re: [AVALON] More than this, you know there's nothing ["Victor Hastings" ] Re: [AVALON] Valentine [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] weakest ["Ivor Canning" ] Re: [AVALON] Let's Sniff Together [ASchulberg@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] More than this, you know there's nothing [ASchulberg@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Bad Songs/Good Singer [ASchulberg@aol.com] [AVALON] RE : weakest ["Reecey" ] Re: [AVALON] weakest ["Martin Stockman" ] Re: [AVALON] Triptych ["Martin Stockman" ] Re: [AVALON] RE : weakest ["Ivor Canning" ] Re: Re: [AVALON] More than this, you know there's nothing [KRNCHSE@aol.c] RE: [AVALON] More than this, you know there's nothing ["Alexander Byles" ] [AVALON] Re : weakest ["Reecey" ] Re: Re: [AVALON] More than this, you know there's nothing ["Victor Hastin] Re: Re: [AVALON] More than this, you know there's nothing ["Amy Bettiswor] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 10:07:39 +0100 From: "David Squires" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Valentine [avalon-digest V5 #215] On 7 Jun 2000, at 4:05, Rob Edwards wrote: > ... would also like to nominate More Than This. Sorry, I just > think it's weak. Can't agree with you on this. I was badly disappointed with F+B, my copy of which rapidly hit the second hand racks of my record shop. I was through with Roxy Music! However, despite my initial attempts to ignore MTT, it crept insidiously under my defences through repeated radio play. The drumming is marvellous, the whole song has a wonderful atmosphere. Anyway, I bought a copy of "Songs To Remember" by Scritti Politti. When I got it home it jumped on a couple of tracks so I returned it. The shop didn't have another copy of STR, so I decided to give Avalon a try... One of my better decisions! > In fact Ferry along with Kenneth Williams helped me through those > difficult late teenage years. Ooooh, stop messing about! ;-) David ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 10:15:18 +0100 From: Jocelyn Fiske Subject: RE: [AVALON] More than this, you know there's nothing Will you please stop making me agree with the Fop? More Than This is sublime, impossible falsetto verse, wonderful now is the moment beyond all moments chorus. A lilting, drifting ode to ecstasy. It has oft drifted into my mind as filmic background music during those wonderful moments when you just know it doesn't get any better. Now if we're talking duff, Manifesto's miss-side has more than its fair share. Apart from the truly abysmal Cry Cry Cry there's My Little Girl. And I ain't never been nor never will be a great fan of that dance round your handbag classic Dance Away. A side solely saved by Spin Me Round. D'you know I've never had a problem with any of Flesh and Blood and I know a lot of you hate it. Why is that? I am genuinely interested, can anyone shed a little light on the subject for me please? Jocelyn - -----Original Message----- From: Martin Stockman [mailto:martinstockman@btinternet.com] Sent: 07 June 2000 08:41 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] More than this, you know there's nothing > What!? You'd better not let the Americans hear you say that, for some reason > they think that mundane little ditty is a masterpiece.....strange/sad but > true. It is a masterpiece. Wherever you lay your head. ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 10:30:05 +0100 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Let's Sniff Together A&Rnie wants to hear the audition: > Oh, yeah???????? Tell me more. I'm sure I read somewhere that RF still had an audition tape of BF. If I can find it, I'll let you know. Something tells me an obsessive like Fripp wouldn't intentionally bin it. Regards, Ivor. ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 10:22:40 +0100 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Sad but true to life... JFRoxy thinks there's nothing: > What!? You'd better not let the Americans hear you say that, for some reason > they think that mundane little ditty is a masterpiece.....strange/sad but > true. I actually rather like it. If that makes me 'sad' and/or American in your estimation then I guess I can live with that...(not sure how America would feel about that though S8^)). Regards, Ivor. n.p. Fury In The Slaughterhouse 'Pure Live' ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 10:25:31 +0100 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bad Songs/Good Singer Peter Dewey slips the needle in the groove when he says: > It's all about time and place. This does have a part to play, certainly. I too am probably best described as an 'early Roxy' person yet I find the whole of 'Avalon' resonated strongly with me, better than anything since 'Country Life' ). I tend to think of it as a continuous piece of music rather than as an album of songs. As to whether or not it's *really* Roxy, well...who cares ? Taken on its own merits, it's a tremendous album by anybody's standards. Favourite songs, though...that's harder - as top favourites I tend to go for 'Beauty Queen' for (amongst other things) the vocal performance, closely followed by 'Out Of The Blue'. After that, it all depends on my mood and degree of burnout... Following a recent reassessment of Siren (on behalf of STROFFS) I was surprised how good 'Nightingale' actually was, not a track that attracts much attention (either negatively or positively). OK, it's not in the same league as 'Grey Lagoons' or 'Serenade' but what a piece of music to drum along to...grab those pencils ! It's just unfortunate the lyrics sound like a school magazine essay on Keats... Regards, Ivor. n.p. Fury In The Slaughterhouse 'Pure Live!' ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:00:28 +0100 From: Jocelyn Fiske Subject: [AVALON] RE:Bf Audition oooh another Holy Grail. - -----Original Message----- From: Ivor Canning [mailto:ivor.canning@cwcom.net] Sent: 07 June 2000 10:30 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Let's Sniff Together I'm sure I read somewhere that RF still had an audition tape of BF. If I can find it, I'll let you know. Something tells me an obsessive like Fripp wouldn't intentionally bin it. Regards, Ivor. ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 03:00:41 -0700 From: "Turner, Chris (cturner)" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Bad Songs/Good Singer Perhaps it is because Avalon was a return to Ferry writing almost solo for the first time since FYP. Avalon is almost entirely his songs, exclusively his keyboards, and above all, his groove. Nightingale is IMHO the middle one of the best three-in-a-row on any Roxy album - Both Ends Burning, Nightingale and the peerless Just Another High - a sublime triptych. I feel a thread coming on... Controversial: I've never seen Grey Lagoons as anything other than a bog standard 12-bar thrash (intro and outro excepted), regurgitated student Chuck Berry licks, and the only weakness on a seven-eighths good set. Hey, I guess it's our diversity of opinion that makes Avalon interesting. Cheers Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: Ivor Canning [SMTP:ivor.canning@cwcom.net] > Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 10:26 AM > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bad Songs/Good Singer > > Peter Dewey slips the needle in the groove when he says: > > > It's all about time and place. > > This does have a part to play, certainly. I too am probably best described > as an 'early Roxy' person yet I find the whole of 'Avalon' resonated > strongly with me, better than anything since 'Country Life' ). I tend to > think of it as a continuous piece of music rather than as an album of > songs. > As to whether or not it's *really* Roxy, well...who cares ? Taken on its > own merits, it's a tremendous album by anybody's standards. > > Favourite songs, though...that's harder - as top favourites I tend to go > for > 'Beauty Queen' for (amongst other things) the vocal performance, closely > followed by 'Out Of The Blue'. After that, it all depends on my mood and > degree of burnout... > > Following a recent reassessment of Siren (on behalf of STROFFS) I was > surprised how good 'Nightingale' actually was, not a track that attracts > much attention (either negatively or positively). OK, it's not in the same > league as 'Grey Lagoons' or 'Serenade' but what a piece of music to drum > along to...grab those pencils ! It's just unfortunate the lyrics sound > like > a school magazine essay on Keats... > > Regards, > > Ivor. > > n.p. Fury In The Slaughterhouse 'Pure Live!' > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:25:39 +0100 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] There's that melody again... Streewise for her time, Jocelyn asks: > D'you know I've never had a problem with any of Flesh and Blood and I know a > lot of you hate it. Why is that? I am genuinely interested, can anyone shed > a little light on the subject for me please? To my mind, 'F+B' is a more 'complete' album than 'Manifesto'. It has a uniformity of feeling, a sense of being an album rather than just a collection of songs. At the time I thought it was such a vast improvement on 'M' that I almost forgave them for doing 'covers' and losing Thompo (well, almost but not quite...). It has a haunting quality to its sound that even harks back to 'FYP' at times. But then I realised that, when it came to making up compilations, *tracks* from 'F+B' hardly featured at all. My bet is you like 'F+B' for the feel of the album rather than the individual songs. To me, 'M' is the poorer record overall ('Cry, Cry, Cry' would utterly sink most albums IMO) although it has some gems - 'Manifesto', 'Angel Eyes', 'Stronger Through The Years', 'Spin Me Round'. 'F+B' has no real lows (no great high points either) but the lack of killer tracks is compensated for by a compelling atmosphere which pervades the whole album. So, for 'M' it's "some good work in term but a disappointing exam result", while for 'F+B', it's "fair progress, could do better". Of course, combine the two factors of overall mood and great songs and you've got the recipe for 'Avalon', which is why I think it's the best of the 'post-watershed' albums. Regards, Ivor. n.p. Rimsky Korsakov 'Snegurotchka' (...gesundheit...) ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 12:06:48 +0100 From: "Reecey" Subject: [AVALON] RE : There's that melody again I prefer F & B to M, but I do find it a little dull at times. Agreed, there's no howlers, but the usual high-point-wow that's amazing moment (as with Beauty Queen, S. Fool, OOTB etc) isn't there. Scene comes close though - what an intro ! Pure Roxy. Avalon is the bastard child of the previous 2, who did better at school and got higher grades. Strange analogy, sorry, I haven't been awake long. Interesting Chris, on your view of 'Lagoons' which is a great fave of mine, and i was horrified when it wasn't included on the Thrill Box (Serenade, too). I do feel a 'weakest track on each Album' list coming on. Kettle on, i'll be back. Reecey... np Donald Fagen - The Nightfly (feelin' a bit jazzy today). ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 12:28:42 +0100 From: "Reecey" Subject: [AVALON] weakest Apologies if this has been done before, long before my time. Here we go then, weakest tracks imho.... Rules ? One from each Studio Album. (Sorry, i'm not busy...) 2HB (much prefer BFs), Strictly Confidential, Amazona (sorry Ivor), Three And Nine, Could It Happen To Me, Cry Cry Cry (truly appaling), No Strange Delight, India. BF : Sympathy For The Devil, You Are My Sunshine (most embarrassing moment ?), Remake Remodel (remake) (shut up sirens !), Rock Of Ages, That's How Strong My Love Is, Stone Woman, Seven Deadly Sins, Girl Of My Best Friend, Wildcat Days (strange that it was an instant fave, then fell away), When Somebody Thinks... There ! , got that off my chest. Kettle on again. Reecey... ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 13:42:03 +0200 From: "Sebastian Fasthuber" Subject: Re: [AVALON] weakest i think the weak spot is that albums like the first four RM, "avalon" or "b&g" contain NO weak songs at all. but i agree with most of the other choices, except "you are my sunshine" which i find just brilliant. what i heard here, is that many people don't like "another time, another place" much. can't understand that. it contains highlights such as "smoke" and "funny how time slips away".only towards the end there are two weak spots, "fingerpoppin'" and "help me make it through the night" - but then comes that delicious title-track.... sebastian ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 08:01:59 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Metaphysical Ferryland < Doll819@aol.com wrote on May 23, 2000: Does anyone know anything about astrology? If so, I just found a book with BF's chart in it. This could help with our predictions! ;-) > No! What book is this you mention, when was it written, who did the chart? It might be interesting to compare fact with fortune - which came first, Ferry or the predictions. Skepticism aside, Mr. Ferry seems to have an affection for the astrological. Does anyone know how much and why? I think of Nancy Reagan, spouse of a very popular United States President, who avidly consulted with their astrologer and faithfully followed their chart producing seemingly positive results. Think Shirley McClaine. Is astrology one of Bryan Ferry's obsessions or is it just a muse. I've Tarot Cards somewhere...... KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 13:10:57 +0100 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bad Songs/Good Singer/Good Writers Chris opens up cans of worms: > Perhaps it is because Avalon was a return to Ferry writing almost solo for > the first time since FYP. Avalon is almost entirely his songs, exclusively > his keyboards, and above all, his groove. I think the chemistry of creative collaboration is more subtle and complicated than that. I've tried analysing what I like/dislike of Ferry's songwriting in terms of solo vs collaborative writing and I have to say the results were somewhat inconclusive, except for one overriding point - for me, something about Roxy brings out the best in a solo Ferry composition. It's worth remembering that 'In Your Mind' had more solo writing in it than 'Avalon' or 'Stranded' but I certainly wouldn't say it was the best album (of the three). > Controversial: I've never seen Grey Lagoons as anything other than a bog > standard 12-bar thrash (intro and outro excepted), regurgitated student Chuck > Berry licks, and the only weakness on a seven-eighths good set. I don't really know what to say about this piece of heresy except YER AFF YER BAP, SON !!!! >Hey, I guess it's our diversity of opinion that makes Avalon interesting. Nice try, but your name's still going in the book, Turner !! S;^) Regards, Ivor. n.p. 'Boys And Girls' - still trying to work out why I've *never* warmed to this album... ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 08:15:19 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry Stewart << Ten years of morose introspection is enough surely? >> Yes it is. But I don't think pop would be an improvement - in fact, I like BF's morose introspection and could easily handle more. Did I tell you, Mamouna nearly sent me over the edge? I was grandly depressed to the point of being unable to write a fan letter stating how much I loved the album and was affected by it. It gave me just enough push to finally get help. Help! Help! Is it possible to extract each tract to listen for anything subliminal without using the master record? Now that I am well adjusted I still wonder how music can be that powerful, how an artist can touch a person's life so deeply. Life is a cumulative of past experience and interpretation. Thank you Mr. Ferry. Please, remain true to yourself. Best wishes. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 08:35:59 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Don't make me cry << >A bad Roxy song? No such thing! No, Cry Cry Cry stinks! >> Yes, on the face of things Cry, Cry, Cry is very juvenile. It's laugh in your face for the sorrows you've caused because what goes around comes around. Spiteful Karma. Holy Grail. And therein lies it's beauty. The tune is young pop, a catchy little number, a bit bazaar, perhaps embarrassing, but easily ironic because it is vindictive, circular rant from an educated adult. Nah nah, nah-nah-nah. Human fragility and weakness juxtaposed social reality? Is that not what some of Roxy was about? I am amused every time Cry, Cry, Cry spins - it makes me laugh! KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 05:33:02 -0700 From: "Turner, Chris (cturner)" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Bad Songs/Good Singer/Good Writers Sorry Ivor, I can't see Avalon as anything other than a solo album, albeit with some very beautiful playing by both Manzo and Andy as sessioneers. Sorry, having a tilt at Grey Lagoons was just to test if it still has sacred cow status amongst those 'gentlemen of a certain age' (and lighten a rather dull day at work.) Mission accomplished. ;0) Chris (still recovering from seeing Cheggers in the buff on TV last night) > -----Original Message----- > From: Ivor Canning [SMTP:ivor.canning@cwcom.net] > Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 1:11 PM > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bad Songs/Good Singer/Good Writers > > Chris opens up cans of worms: > > > Perhaps it is because Avalon was a return to Ferry writing almost solo > for > > the first time since FYP. Avalon is almost entirely his songs, > exclusively > > his keyboards, and above all, his groove. > > I think the chemistry of creative collaboration is more subtle and > complicated than that. > ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 08:37:07 -0400 From: "Victor Hastings" Subject: Re: [AVALON] More than this, you know there's nothing - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jocelyn Fiske" > > D'you know I've never had a problem with any of Flesh and Blood and I know a > lot of you hate it. Why is that? I am genuinely interested, can anyone shed > a little light on the subject for me please? F+B was the first Roxy album that was released _after_ I became a fan, and it was a huge disappointment for me. for the following reasons: 1. no more paul thompson -- though i doubt he could have done much with ferry's limp compositions anyway. 2. cover versions! it made the whole project sound like a ferry solo effort. 3. the album has a wimpy, bored feel to it. 4. the songs are themselves structured very conventionally. 5. there's practically no goosebumps to be had on the thing. most roxy had a bunch of moments that were so perfectly put together that they raise goosebumps on listening. but not f+b. 'same old scene' had a few moments, and 'my only love' did too, but the rest of the songs slip past unnoticed. just my two cents.... ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 08:41:09 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Valentine < JFROXY@aol.com wrote: What!? You'd better not let the Americans hear you say that, for some reason they think that mundane little ditty is a masterpiece.....strange/sad but true. > THE CAT'S OUT OF THE BAG!!! Damned, tasteless American Fans! Why discriminate - I understand someone in Zambia likes "More Than This". More than this, at least two people in France give it thumbs up. I also heard a rumor that a Geordie likes it too! There just is no accounting for taste, is there.....strange/sad but true. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 14:01:20 +0100 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] weakest Reecey's cruising for a bruising: > Amazona (sorry Ivor) I hope you enjoy the walk to Petworth... > Sympathy For The Devil You are barking mad, you know that, don't you ???? This is one of the three really good tracks on the album !!!! > Wildcat Days Oh, that's it OK, I don't like doing this, you understand, but here goes: RM: 'Sea Breezes' (prefer the BBC Session pre-album version) None (oh all right - 'Strictly Confidential', if pushed) 'Psalm' (sorry Patricia...and Martino !) 'If It Takes All Night' (now *that's* a bog standard tune) 'Could It Happen To You' (...it didn't happen for me...) 'Cry, Cry, Cry' (I did, I did, I did) 'In The Midnight Hour' (not late enough, I fear...) 'While My Heart Is Still Beating' (but again, only if *really* pushed) BF: 'I Love How You Love Me' (actually, I'm spoilt for choice, here - can I swap a few for 'Strictly Confidential' and 'Heart...' ?) 'You Are My Sunshine' (ditto the above, I would cheerfully lose 'Fingerpoppin'' too) 'Remake Remodel (remake)' (they tried but...) 'Party Doll' (actually it's OK for drumming along to), 'That's How Strong My Love Is' (how strong is it again ?) 'The Chosen One' (i.e. choose one chord and stick to it for a whole song...) 'Seven Deadly Sins' (now eight...) 'Girl Of My Best Friend' (I can't help it either) 'NYC' ('Not Yet Convinced') 'When Somebody Thinks...' (the sun has got his hat on...) I'm outta here... Regards, Ivor. n.p. AC/DC 'Back In Black' ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 09:16:54 EDT From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Let's Sniff Together In a message dated 06/07/2000 5:39:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ivor.canning@cwcom.net writes: << Something tells me an obsessive like Fripp wouldn't intentionally bin it. >> You would think not but I could swear he's written or said it doesn't exist. Arnie ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 09:16:53 EDT From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] More than this, you know there's nothing In a message dated 06/07/2000 5:24:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Jocelyn.Fiske@greyeu.com writes: << D'you know I've never had a problem with any of Flesh and Blood and I know a lot of you hate it. Why is that? I am genuinely interested, can anyone shed a little light on the subject for me please? >> Three words: Eight Miles High. Wretched, wretched, wretched. Arnie ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 09:16:55 EDT From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bad Songs/Good Singer In a message dated 06/07/2000 6:12:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cturner@sequent.com writes: << Nightingale is IMHO the middle one of the best three-in-a-row on any Roxy album - Both Ends Burning, Nightingale and the peerless Just Another High - a sublime triptych. I feel a thread coming on... >> Too bad that "3 and 9" breaks up "The Thrill of It All", "All I Want Is You" and "Out of the Blue". That would be SOME triptych. Arnie ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 14:49:52 +0100 From: "Reecey" Subject: [AVALON] RE : weakest I could lose 'Fingerpoppin' too, and HMMITTN, in fact half of ATAP, though In Crowd and title track are brill. Ivor, I'm not looking forward to the Petworth walk, can I change it to Psalm ? IITANight from Siren was a contender too... We don't have to listen to AC/DC in the Car, surely ? If so, i'll have to take back what I said about 'Sympathy' with great reluctance. Reecey... ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 15:15:14 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] weakest Roxy The Bob Medley The Bogus Man None Bitter Sweet She Sells Cry Cry Cry Flesh and Blood Take a chance with me Bryan Sympathy for the devil The In crowd None (Although always thought of LST as a b-side compilation album) Rock Of Ages None None Name of the game Wildcat Days September Song ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 15:37:55 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Triptych > In a message dated 06/07/2000 6:12:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > cturner@sequent.com writes: > > << Nightingale is IMHO the middle one of the best three-in-a-row on any Roxy > album - Both Ends Burning, Nightingale and the peerless Just Another High - a > sublime triptych. I feel a thread coming on... >> Bete Noire, as an album, has many flaws. The opening three numbers, Limbo / Kiss and Tell / New Town, however, form a stunning triumvirate, perhaps never bettered as a sequence in the canon. Exoticism, wit, edge and lushlife ; how we look back in langour. Martimbo ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:42:45 +0100 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE : weakest Reecey pleads for clemency: > I could lose 'Fingerpoppin' too, and HMMITTN, in fact half of ATAP, though > In Crowd and title track are brill. Spot on, sir. > Ivor, I'm not looking forward to the > Petworth walk, can I change it to Psalm ? IITANight from Siren was a > contender too... Oh go on then, but is the version of IITAN from Siren actually worse than the version I have from Country Life ? S8^D (I know, you're stressed out about the walk....) > We don't have to listen to AC/DC in the Car, surely ? Well, all right. But the Motorhead and Varese stay. Regards, Ivor. n.p. Schoenberg 'Suite for Piano' ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 10:45:28 EDT From: KRNCHSE@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] More than this, you know there's nothing In a message dated 6/7/0 12:49:28 PM, you wrote: <> I think THAT may have had a good deal to do with YOUR perceptions and subsequent stance on the Album.I personally LOVE it?It wore out the belt on the turntable,and became the 'Score' to my/our lives for a rather fun filled 'Young Ones' type existence while living for a time in Chiswick.Like so much music,'IT Turns Me Right Around to my Old Friend'.It was a major contribution to the overall feeling of the time fo me.I have listened to stuff today,(by different Artists) that I chose to ignore years ago,and sometimes wonder if I had not had my head stuck in the sand(or maybe Tuborg) would I really have enjoyed it as much?Timing is everything ,they say........Regards,DM ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 14:53:36 GMT From: "Alexander Byles" Subject: RE: [AVALON] More than this, you know there's nothing Jocelyn, you said it all about "More Than This", very poetic. Everybody is entitled to their own opinions JFROXY, but you're bang out of order! I'm primarily a fan of the earlier Roxy records but MTT is definitely my favourite song of all time. Oh, and that Hubbard guitar! I actually happen to like Flesh and Blood too and I particularly appreciate "Over You". The piano/guitar/sax outro is a masterpiece. I do have a few problems with "On the Radio" however but this is the only Roxy number that I don't particularly like. Before I was a Roxy fan I disliked this song, and once I was enamoured with the delights of Ferry and Co., it still failed to impress. It is corny beyond ridicule in my opinion. Alex. >From: Jocelyn Fiske >Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org >To: "'avalon@smoe.org'" >Subject: RE: [AVALON] More than this, you know there's nothing >Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 10:15:18 +0100 > >Will you please stop making me agree with the Fop? > >More Than This is sublime, impossible falsetto verse, wonderful now is the >moment beyond all moments chorus. A lilting, drifting ode to ecstasy. It >has oft drifted into my mind as filmic background music during those >wonderful moments when you just know it doesn't get any better. > >Now if we're talking duff, Manifesto's miss-side has more than its fair >share. Apart from the truly abysmal Cry Cry Cry there's My Little Girl. And >I ain't never been nor never will be a great fan of that dance round your >handbag classic Dance Away. A side solely saved by Spin Me Round. > >D'you know I've never had a problem with any of Flesh and Blood and I know >a >lot of you hate it. Why is that? I am genuinely interested, can anyone shed >a little light on the subject for me please? > > > >Jocelyn > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Martin Stockman [mailto:martinstockman@btinternet.com] >Sent: 07 June 2000 08:41 >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [AVALON] More than this, you know there's nothing > > > > > > > > What!? You'd better not let the Americans hear you say that, for some >reason > > > they think that mundane little ditty is a masterpiece.....strange/sad >but > > > true. > > > >It is a masterpiece. Wherever you lay your head. > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > >The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. > >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > >unsubscribe avalon > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:34:56 +0100 From: "Reecey" Subject: [AVALON] Re : weakest ("IITAN from Siren" ) - that really should have read 'End Of The Line'. Clearly I've not had enough Tea today. Or sleep. Mind you, IITAN from C.Life is, frankly, a karaoke number. Interesting thread, as there are many we've been through on the 'faves' side of things, nice to see as well that some stuff makes us cringe. Petworth sold out I hear ! That means there are hundreds, possibly thousands more, just like us all. Hope they don't want the bloody video. Reecey... ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:31:38 -0400 From: "Victor Hastings" Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] More than this, you know there's nothing - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 10:45 AM Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] More than this, you know there's nothing (snip)> > In a message dated 6/7/0 12:49:28 PM, you wrote: > > < > it was a huge disappointment for me. >> > > I think THAT may have had a good deal to do with YOUR perceptions and > subsequent stance on the Album. make no mistake -- i was dying for that album to be released. it was the first time i had ever been able to look forward to new Roxy music. by that time -- 1980 -- i already had collected every RM/BF album that had been released. > I personally LOVE it?It wore out the belt on > the turntable,and became the 'Score' to my/our lives for a rather fun filled > 'Young Ones' type existence while living for a time in Chiswick.Like so much > music,'IT Turns Me Right Around to my Old Friend'.It was a major contribution > to the overall feeling of the time fo me.I have listened to stuff today,(by > different Artists) that I chose to ignore years ago,and sometimes wonder if I > had not had my head stuck in the sand(or maybe Tuborg) would I really have > enjoyed it as much?Timing is everything ,they say........Regards,DM i have similar thoughts about other records of that era -- i was in college at the time. i'm certain that timing is important here. a reviewer once described f+b as the 'soundtrack to a languid urban romance,' and that is an apt description. but for a college kid bent on chasing girls and drinking beer, well, languid doesn't cut it. just curious -- was f+b your first roxy purchase? i find a lot of people fall in love with whatever album they heard first. ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 12:10:11 -0400 From: "Amy Bettisworth" Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] More than this, you know there's nothing I think there is a lot of truth in that statement. The first Roxy Album I owned was "Avalon", and to this day it remains as my all time favorite. I have many different associations with it, especially since I discovered it in high school. Unlike most of the members of this list, I went into Roxy backwards. My next acquisition was a homemade tape from a friend with "Manifesto" on one side and "Flesh and Blood" on the other. I still have a great fondness for both. Due to some of the similarities between these 2 albums and "Avalon," it was an easy transition. Had I jumped immediately into "Country Life" or "Roxy Music" I think I would have been a bit freaked out by the avant garde feel of it all. (I am a child of the Duran Duran-new wave generation after all!) So, long story short I'm grateful for F & B and Manifesto because they helped ease me into some of the truly great Roxy stuff. Sorry for the boring dissertation - carry on! Amy B. ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V5 #216 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest