From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #215 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, June 7 2000 Volume 05 : Number 215 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Info ["Turner, Chris (cturner)" ] Re: [AVALON] Sing it Your Way ["Simon Galloway" ] Re: [AVALON] Lucy Wilkins (Brits only post) ["Simon Galloway" ] Re: [AVALON] Valentine [KB Porter ] RE: [AVALON] Info ["Turner, Chris (cturner)" ] [AVALON] Roxy's Bad Songs ["Simon Galloway" ] RE: [AVALON] Info ["SHEARER, Andrew" ] RE: [AVALON] Info [Jocelyn Fiske ] Re: [AVALON] Info ["Tracy Connell" ] RE: [AVALON] Valentine ["Rob Edwards" ] Re: [AVALON] Info ["luc.morvillier" ] Re: [AVALON] Valentine [JFROXY@aol.com] [AVALON] Bad Songs/Good Songs [Peter Dewey ] [AVALON] the long-awaited originals - due ...? ["mark shanahan" ] [AVALON] Nick Kent ["David Squires" ] Re: [AVALON] Email ["David Squires" ] Re: [AVALON] More than this, you know there's nothing ["Martin Stockman" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 01:59:35 -0700 From: "Turner, Chris (cturner)" Subject: [AVALON] Info Hello All, The postman was kind to me today. I received the latest newsletter from the Information Service which confirmed the track listings and release dates of 10th July for "Slave To Love" and 7th August "Roxy Music: The Early Years" It also states: "It is still too early to speculate on Bryan's next album and when it will be released. There is every chance however, that we are looking at sometime early 2001. There is a lot of material already recorded with more to follow in the next few months. There will be easily two albums of material recorded by the end of the year. There is now every chance that a video and DVD of Bryan's show at the Olympia in Paris will be released just after the summer" Some observations: The Paris gig that I attended was at Le Grand Rex, not Olympia. I wasn't aware of an Olympia gig. Perhaps this is another date we were unaware of, or maybe a typo? I'm pleased that Ferry has found his creative drive again and will be returning to the studio during and after this past year's elongated tour. I for one applaud this, although with the Dave Stewart material being four years old next year it would be nice to finally hear it. It's nice to know we have future releases to look forward to, a feast after the famine. The first two and half years I was on this list yielded only two compilation tracks... Thanks to Jim for the information. I'm intrigued by the release of "This Love" which was quoted as being from the Dave Stewart sessions. Does this mean that Stewart played on this track, or on more than just the co-written material? Is this new track just a device to sell more copies of Slave To Love, or a toe in the water for the future material? Is it not considered good enough for release on the album proper? OK, OK enough questions. I hope this is a return to the days when interesting new material turned up on b-sides and the like, rather that ancient retreads from the archives. On another note I also received a copy of the Japan "Best Live" CD, which turns out to be the familiar "Concert Classics" Denver 1979 concert with a slightly different rear cover. The front cover remains the same. It does have a highly valuable OBI strip though Cheers Chris ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 10:31:09 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Sing it Your Way >>> Jocelyn Fiske 06/05 11:48 am >>> >Gene Pitney did Robbie William's "Angel" and the Quo did "Hound Dog". >Thoughts? I'd rather not! I saw the trailers for this show and decided to give it a miss, as I do hate things like this when they trot out all the same old faces, including at least one who doesn't sing professionally (but they usually went to stage school, so no surprises). I ususally cringe from start to finish. They did an Abba tribute last year, a Beatles tribute a few weeks back, and then all sorts of crap, like that awful Simply Red "live by request" rubbish. I'm glad Bryan doesn't take part in these things, he's worth more than that. SimonG ...Status Quo....? Please! Don't! AAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahgggghhhghghgg!!! ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 10:35:26 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Lucy Wilkins (Brits only post) >>> "Turner, Chris (cturner)" 06/05 2:32 pm >>> >Did any sharp-eyed Brits notice Lucy Wilkins playing violin on Friday's TOTP >with Chrissie Hynde and her new (crappy)version of "Kid?" With her hair down no less! It took me a couple of minutes to determine if it was her, but when she moved her head in a certain way, then I knew. Add to that a further spotting of Ms Wilkins along with Natalia Bonner (is that right?) on the end credits for a great version of "Alice Through The Looking Glass" that was on TV yesterday, as part of the schools eduaction programmes (I had a day off work with a bad back and it was better than enduring Richard and Judy even though it was their stand-ins). They don't half get around! SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 09:17:54 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Info I hope this feast serves a spicy, unique fare complete with a moody, complex, full-bodied Pauillac, and not a bland, plat du jour. Frankly, I am ambivalent to taste of Ferry's collaboration with Stewart. Don't ask my why, it's just a gut feeling, Dave Stewart makes me want to heave: le garcon might pour cul de bouteille - sediment best left undisturbed. Yes, I know many of you will find this admission repulsive. My prayer is the Ferry/Stewart repas is 95% Ferry, 5% Stewart. O.K. I'll clean my plate and do the dishes now. KBP Quality above quantity! ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 09:21:26 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Valentine < Stephen Pepperrell wrote: This Roxy in top form, did they ever write a bad song ? "Cry,Cry, Cry" perhaps ? > A bad Roxy song? No such thing! ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 06:28:59 -0700 From: "Turner, Chris (cturner)" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Info I hope that Stewart's input reinvigorates Ferry's pop sensibilities a little. Ten years of morose introspection is enough surely? > -----Original Message----- > From: KB Porter [SMTP:kbporte@attglobal.net] > Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 2:18 PM > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Info > > four years old next year it would be nice to finally hear it. It's nice > to know we have future releases to look forward to, a feast after the > famine.> > > > I hope this feast serves a spicy, unique fare complete with a moody, > complex, full-bodied Pauillac, and not a bland, plat du jour. Frankly, > I am ambivalent to taste of Ferry's collaboration with Stewart. Don't > ask my why, it's just a gut feeling, Dave Stewart makes me want to > heave: le garcon might pour cul de bouteille - sediment best left > undisturbed. Yes, I know many of you will find this admission > repulsive. My prayer is the Ferry/Stewart repas is 95% Ferry, 5% > Stewart. O.K. I'll clean my plate and do the dishes now. KBP > > Quality above quantity! > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 14:31:46 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] Roxy's Bad Songs >>> KB Porter 06/06 2:21 pm >>> < Stephen Pepperrell wrote: This Roxy in top form, did they ever write a bad song ? "Cry,Cry, Cry" perhaps ? > >A bad Roxy song? No such thing! No, Cry Cry Cry stinks! ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 15:05:43 +0100 From: "SHEARER, Andrew" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Info I tend to agree Chris, I'm not so sure about Eurythmics and Stewart. Of more interest was a mooted collaboration with Alanis Morrisette producer Chris Ballard but I don't think anything came of it. 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To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 16:27:06 +0100 From: Jocelyn Fiske Subject: RE: [AVALON] Info I think originally the Paris gig was listed as being Olympia, but they changed the venue later to Le Grand Rex. There certainly wasn't another gig there to my knowledge (but then I didn't spot the cameras there either, so what do I know!) Jocelyn - -----Original Message----- From: Turner, Chris (cturner [mailto:cturner@sequent.com] Sent: 06 June 2000 10:00 To: 'Avalon' Subject: [AVALON] Info Hello All, Some observations: The Paris gig that I attended was at Le Grand Rex, not Olympia. I wasn't aware of an Olympia gig. Perhaps this is another date we were unaware of, or maybe a typo? Cheers Chris ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 17:18:59 GMT From: "Tracy Connell" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Info I must admit that at first I thought the "This Love" song was included to sell more copies of Slave To Love, but since you mention it perhaps being there as a 'toe in the water' for future tracks I now have my doubts. I don't think I would opt for your third suggestion though. Tracy. >From: "Turner, Chris (cturner)" >Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org >To: "'Avalon'" >Subject: [AVALON] Info >Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 01:59:35 -0700 > >I'm intrigued by the release of "This Love"...Is this new track just a >device >to sell more copies of Slave To Love, or a toe in the water for the future >material? Is it not considered good enough for release on the album proper? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 21:20:54 +0100 From: "Rob Edwards" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Valentine A bad Roxy song. Yes. They do exist though they are thankfully few and far between. I agree re Cry Cry Cry and would also like to nominate More Than This. Sorry, I just think it's weak. From Avalon there were so many better tunes that could have been chosen as the first single e.g. The Space Between Us. The most underrated single (re chart position) they ever released was Both Ends Burning. Discuss. Don't get me wrong I love Ferry / Roxy. In fact Ferry along with Kenneth Williams helped me through those difficult late teenage years. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of KB Porter Sent: 06 June 2000 13:21 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Valentine < Stephen Pepperrell wrote: This Roxy in top form, did they ever write a bad song ? "Cry,Cry, Cry" perhaps ? > A bad Roxy song? No such thing! ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 22:45:16 +0200 From: "luc.morvillier" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Info In fact the Paris gig was listed Olympia by BF site, but has never been planned to be located there; Le Grand Rex has been the only BF show. The Bête Noire tour "New Town" took place also there in 1988. Luc - -----Message d'origine----- De : Jocelyn Fiske À : 'avalon@smoe.org' Date : mardi 6 juin 2000 18:10 Objet : RE: [AVALON] Info >I think originally the Paris gig was listed as being Olympia, but they >changed the venue later to Le Grand Rex. There certainly wasn't another gig >there to my knowledge (but then I didn't spot the cameras there either, so >what do I know!) > > > >Jocelyn > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Turner, Chris (cturner > >[mailto:cturner@sequent.com] >Sent: 06 June 2000 10:00 >To: 'Avalon' >Subject: [AVALON] Info > > >Hello All, > > > > > >Some observations: The Paris gig that I attended was at Le Grand Rex, not > >Olympia. I wasn't aware of an Olympia gig. Perhaps this is another date we > >were unaware of, or maybe a typo? > > > >Cheers > > > >Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > >The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. > >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > >unsubscribe avalon > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 16:48:58 EDT From: JFROXY@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Valentine In a message dated 06/06/00 09:34:00 GMT Daylight Time, robedwards@tinyworld.co.uk writes: << A bad Roxy song. Yes. They do exist though they are thankfully few and far between. I would like to nominate More Than This. Sorry, I just think it's weak. >> What!? You'd better not let the Americans hear you say that, for some reason they think that mundane little ditty is a masterpiece.....strange/sad but true. ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 23:39:13 +0100 From: Peter Dewey Subject: [AVALON] Bad Songs/Good Songs There are bad Roxy songs, and Flesh & Blood is usually nominated as the album that contains most of these, which I do not entirely agree with, but some songs carry with them a certain resonance and More Than This is one for me. I clearly remember the time I first heard this song, on a sunny Spring day in 1982, driving to work in Cornwall. It was so obviously Roxy and I had to stop the car to listen to the song. It had seemed so long since the last of the F&B singles. If only I'd had some idea of the long empty years which stretched ahead! It would be interesting to hear a positive view on everyone's personal favourite Roxy song. As an unreconstructed early period fan, I am surprised by the fact that my favourite is True To Life. It's all about time and place. - -- Peter Dewey ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 16:05:57 PDT From: "mark shanahan" Subject: [AVALON] the long-awaited originals - due ...? chris turner wrote: >"It is still too early to speculate on Bryan's next album and when it will >be released. There is every chance however, that we are looking at sometime >early 2001. There is a lot of material already recorded with more to follow >in the next few months. There will be easily two albums of material >recorded by the end of the year. well ... i'm for both the quality and the quantity - how about the big double album (ha-ha-ha-ha ...) now? right. but, i suppose, stranger things have happened. peaces/ms btw - peter, one of my all-time faves is, in fact, 'true to life' - it's a great song! ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 00:30:23 +0100 From: "Johnny Reece" Subject: [AVALON] Songs Aah, True To Life, my fave of '2nd period' Roxy. Fave of the 1st period, and in fact all time fave, is 'Sentimental Fool', with the stunning 'Beauty Queen' just behind, hanging on the coat-tails. As for Ferry faves, I think 'Boys And Girls' just about does it for me, with a very close 2nd equal between 'Windswept' and 'This Island Earth' just behind. Mind you, the last 3 mins or so of 'Love Me Madly Again' still send shivers... and should have gone on a lot, lot longer... Reecey... ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 00:52:24 +0100 From: "David Squires" Subject: [AVALON] Nick Kent On 6 Jun 2000, at 4:05, Jocelyn wrote: > Nick Kent was a massive Roxy fan from the very beginning and used > to show up at after show parties all the time. I enjoyed Kent's writing in my formative years, particularly a wonderful piece he did during the Country Life UK tour (subtitled How Gauche Can A Gaucho Get?). His book (The Dark Stuff? - I can't find it to check) I commend highly, FWIW. He wrote with passion and insight about something he felt was important at the time it got important for me. David - -- David Squires Wimbotsham Norfolk UK ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 00:52:23 +0100 From: "David Squires" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Email On 4 Jun 2000, at 4:05, Peter Dewey wrote: > No names, Why not? :-) > But why is it that I get 4 or 5 different posts from the same > person all at once? Because I subscribe to the digest (I didn't get all the posts to the "normal" list so switched) and I spend time away from home at work and can't access my email while I'm away. So I read through the digests when I'm at home, respond to those I feel the need to and send them. It's as simple as that, guy! I don't send composite replies because I'd prefer the messages to appear carrying the subject line of the thread they respond to. And at least I trim them without sending needlessly endless echoes of preceding threads - net savvy or what?! David ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 08:41:24 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] More than this, you know there's nothing - ---------- >From: JFROXY@aol.com > In a message dated 06/06/00 09:34:00 GMT Daylight Time, > robedwards@tinyworld.co.uk writes: > > << A bad Roxy song. Yes. They do exist though they are thankfully few and > far > between. I would like to nominate More Than This. Sorry, I just think it's > weak. >> > > What!? You'd better not let the Americans hear you say that, for some reason > they think that mundane little ditty is a masterpiece.....strange/sad but > true. It is a masterpiece. Wherever you lay your head. ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. 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