From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #210 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Friday, June 2 2000 Volume 05 : Number 210 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Tears got in his eyes? [Stephen.Pepperrell@t-online.de (Step] RE: [AVALON] Tears got in his eyes? ["Turner, Chris (cturner)" ] Re: [AVALON] Tears got in his eyes? ["Martin Stockman" ] [AVALON] Report from Carrickfergus... ["Ivor Canning" ] Re: [AVALON] Language perleeeese ["Theresa Fagan" ] [AVALON] Sun Studio, and Pic covers hunting. ["Johnny Reece" I think it's fairly obvious that the "tears" Ferry shed during SGIYE, > featured in the Brusselsvideo, are in fact sweat. > > /Kicki G > > P.S Great job, Reecey-darling! > > -------------------------- > http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG > http://www.avalon.pp.se > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 02:34:27 -0700 From: "Turner, Chris (cturner)" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Tears got in his eyes? I understand poor dear Alan Spenner was "sentimental" nearly the whole time he was there... Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen.Pepperrell@t-online.de [SMTP:Stephen.Pepperrell@t-online.de] > Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 10:20 AM > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Tears got in his eyes? > > Rumours were in '77 that the Swiss Studio takes of BSB were so moving at > times, that one/two players did have their sentimental moments. > ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 02:51:30 -0700 From: "Turner, Chris (cturner)" Subject: RE: [AVALON] The Amazing Bryan I've heard this quoted a few times but I think it may have originated as a bit of spin by the late Simon Puxley, Roxy's publicist. Puxley once fed the press with a story about Roxy's admiration for Pan's People, an all female dance group on the chart show Top Of The Pops, who used to interpret the week's hits to the pre-video generation (of which sadly I am one.) This helped improve the rather effete perception many held of the band in their early days. It was Puxley, under the pseudonym Rex Balfour, who wrote the early hagiography "The Bryan Ferry Story" . This gifted man's influence in Roxy's early rise is sadly too often underestimated. The guy was spin doctoring before the term was even coined. Now if you said Eno had only been playing for ten days..... Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: ecwoods@mindspring.com [SMTP:ecwoods@mindspring.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 5:48 AM > To: avalon mailing list > Subject: [AVALON] The Amazing Bryan ...in a BF article the writer said > that it was rumored Bryan had been playing piano only ten days when Roxy > started recording demos. That seems pretty amazing, even for him. Can > anyone confirm this? Heard this other places? > > Crystal > ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 11:53:06 +0800 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] Tears got in his eyes? > >Re: Bryan's grunting in concert. I can't believe that this was to start >the tack for his piano solo, to me it sounded (and looked) more like >exhaustion >- concert in Hamburg - one reason perhaps that his presence / net playing time >was kept to a minimum. To me it seems like he's just checking if the distance to the microfon is OK. Note that he fiddles with it. /Kicki G - -------------------------- http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG http://www.avalon.pp.se ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 11:54:28 +0800 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: [AVALON] Angel Eyes - disco or not? Which version of Angels Eyes is on the remastered Manifesto CD - the original or the disco? Kicki G - -------------------------- http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG http://www.avalon.pp.se ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 12:49:06 +0200 From: "Sebastian Fasthuber" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Angel Eyes - don't disco it's the original version. best sebastian ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 11:52:50 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Angel Eyes - disco or not? This is a question that I wanted answersing too! I've got the card LP replica thing, which has the original LP version of Angel Eyes, but I have a feeling that the Jewel case remaster may have the disco version on there. Anyone out there know? I know that some of the anoraks have bought both versions of the remasters (thanks to the great HMV offer). This is an issue that requires an answer. So there! SimonG >>> Kicki Gustafsson 06/01 4:54 am >>> Which version of Angels Eyes is on the remastered Manifesto CD - the original or the disco? ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 08:56:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "Colleen J. Matan" Subject: [AVALON] I'm disppointed in you anoraks Yesterday someone gave me a pile of _Martha Stewart Living_ magazines (and you're laughing because...?) and lo and behold, in the the February 2000 issue, on page 30, in the Editor's Letter subtitled "The Most Romantic Music," mixed in amongst Eric Clapton, Andrea Bocelli, Ibrahim Ferrer and Ruben Gonzalez, and Al Green, we find "Bryan Ferry's 'These Foolish Things.'" Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 09:00:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Colleen J. Matan" Subject: [AVALON] new CD tree? I've been barely home these last 6 weeks due to some international concerns, so I've been barely able to skim the list but this: > From: "Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest" > address because I must sent you the remastered version of the studio > outtakes. leads me to believe that I've somehow missed something very interesting. What sorts of studio outtakes are they and whom do I contact here in the US to get them? Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 14:53:49 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Tears got in his eyes? Like me at the London Avalonion gathering, tired and emotional. - ---------- >From: "Turner, Chris (cturner)" >To: "'avalon@smoe.org'" >Subject: RE: [AVALON] Tears got in his eyes? >Date: Thu, Jun 1, 2000, 10:34 am > > I understand poor dear Alan Spenner was "sentimental" nearly the whole time > he was there... > > Chris > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Stephen.Pepperrell@t-online.de [SMTP:Stephen.Pepperrell@t-online.de] >> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 10:20 AM >> To: avalon@smoe.org >> Subject: Re: [AVALON] Tears got in his eyes? >> > > >> Rumours were in '77 that the Swiss Studio takes of BSB were so moving at >> times, that one/two players did have their sentimental moments. >> > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 11:59:23 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] New Virus alert : W97M/Resume.a@mm For any one who cares: The McAfee.com Clinic represents a complete new breed of Web application. It's an online application service that's always up-to-date, delivering Web-based versions of your favorite utilities, such as VirusScan, Oil Change, UnInstaller, and First Aid! *************************************** * VIRUS ALERT - W97M/Resume.a@mm * *************************************** Eliminate this trojan with McAfee.com Clinic's VirusScan Online. This requires a McAfee.com Clinic subscription, or you can register for a FREE two-week trial. Scan Now: -> http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=1570 KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 21:03:08 +0100 From: "Laura Shadbolt" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Language perleeeese > Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 21:35:11 +0100 > From: "Rob Edwards" > Subject: RE: [AVALON] Language perleeeese [avalon-digest V5 #206] > > Sign of the Times - single of the week, yes! I remember that. AND if memory > serves Tony Parsons and Julie Burchill were once an item (married, I think) > Say no more. I didn't know that either (see slightly earlier post for what I also didn't know). There's not much you can say apart from "Aha". Laura ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 21:01:56 +0100 From: "Laura Shadbolt" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Language perleeeese > Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 21:12:08 +0100 > From: "David Squires" > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Language perleeeese [avalon-digest V5 #206] > > On 29 May 2000, at 4:05, Laura wrote: > > > I've got a pretty good idea who that critic might have been, not > > naming any names, Julie Burchill. > > Yeah, I think it may have been JB, another disappointed ex-Roxy fan. Really?! I'd always assumed she pretty much hated everybody. Ah well. Laura ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 12:26:28 -0400 From: Heather James Subject: [AVALON] AVALON] New marketting alert : W97M/Resume.a@mm To anyone who cares: The McAfee website is a huge marketer dream - every page has 5 or more ad banners that have to download before you can get to any real content. And the whole site implies that you need to buy more, even after you have bought your subscription to their Antivirus program, they want you to buy their Clinic program, and their many other utilities and partner programs. But don't take MY word for it - go to their site yourself and watch all the cookies and ad banners and all the other geegaws load. Aren't they making enough in the antivirus business - its never been so good as it is lately with all the publicity from the MS Outlook worms. The whole Antivirus business is suspect as it is ... Please - spare us the market hits in here - we can find mcafee (and Symantec, if you prefer Norton AntiVirus) on our own. -= )-(eather =- >------------------< hjames@thewebgal.com Heather's Website: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/ My Roxy Music site: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ >-----------------------------------------------------< _____ > The indestructible worm farts in your general direction. ____ KB Porter wrote: > > For any one who cares: > > The McAfee.com Clinic represents a complete new breed of Web > application. It's an online application service that's always > up-to-date, delivering Web-based versions of your favorite utilities, > such as VirusScan, Oil Change, UnInstaller, and First Aid! > > *************************************** > * VIRUS ALERT - W97M/Resume.a@mm * > *************************************** > > Eliminate this trojan with McAfee.com Clinic's VirusScan Online. This > requires a McAfee.com Clinic subscription, or you can register for a > FREE two-week trial. Scan Now: -> > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=1570 > > KBP > > ________________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 09:47:14 -0700 From: "Turner, Chris (cturner)" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Language perleeeese > AND if memory > > serves Tony Parsons and Julie Burchill were once an item (married, I > think) > > Say no more. This of course was before she started "wearing comfortable shoes" I never saw a single positive review from the Bristol stomper in the five years before she headed off to Fleet Street. As well as these two star crossed lovers, it's amazing how many writers and contributors to the NME and its oikish brother Sounds at that time are now highly influential in the media. Here's a quick list off the top of my head: Paul Morley (the man behind FGTH), Charlie Parsons (C4 bigwig), Danny Baker (TFI's writer), Ian Penman (Grauniad writer), Danny Kelly (now a dot com millionaire!), Stuart Maconie, Neil Tennant (PSB), Garry Bushell (ugh..), Most of Channel 4's commissioning editors... Even Chrissie Hynde was a photographer on the NME... Chris ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 17:59:58 +0100 From: "Laura Shadbolt" Subject: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V5 #209 > Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 14:13:33 +0100 > From: "Martin Stockman" > Subject: Re: [AVALON] NME Reviewers > > - ---------- > >From: "David Squires" Didn't someone > > make "Sign of the Times" single of the week in NME, though? Wasn't > > it Tony Parsons? I'll have to check that, too... > > > > I think so. I also remember prancing gameshow host Bruce "Brucie" Forsyth > rave reviewing LITD in said rag. Why on Earth would he be writing in the NME? Granted, it was a long time ago, but still . . . was he not regarded with the same contempt (is that the right word?) in those days as he is now? And it's not as if he's a noted important character in the music industry . . . Laura ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 13:56:26 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] AVALON] New marketting alert : W97M/Resume.a@mm <<< Please - spare us the market hits in here - we can find mcafee (and Symantec, if you prefer Norton AntiVirus) on our own. -= )-(eather =- >------------------< hjames@thewebgal.com Heather's Website: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/ My Roxy Music site: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ >-----------------------------------------------------< _____ > The indestructible worm farts in your general direction. ____ KB Porter wrote: > >>> ____________________________________________________________________________________ Heather, who put a bee in your bonnet? Your extremely hostile 3KB reply to my well meant 2KB post responding to Simon's report that "beware this is a new one and we won,t be protected till after 07/06/00..." seems unwarranted. Should you have issues with me, I am willing to discuss them, only if you are civil. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 15:12:55 -0400 From: Heather James Subject: Re: [AVALON] AVALON] New marketting alert : W97M/Resume.a@mm Well - what you sent out in the list looked remarkably like the spam that McAfee sends out far too often once they get your email address. Presenting us with a warning for another Micro$oft worm vulnerability is one thing - sending out an ad for McAfee is marketing. Not everyone is susceptable to these things - some folks don't run WinDoze, some don't run Outlook 98/2k, some don't open email attachments blindly ... When the first wave of I Love You mail hit, it was nearly impossible to get anywhere near the McAfee website to get the antiviru instruction. Websites that run an excess of banner ads take up a lot of bandwidth - and when you have prepaid service, its poor customer relations to make you wade through screen after screen of sales offers just to get to what you've paid for. http://www.mcafee.com/ Try going to the Symantec Website by comparison ... http://www.symantec.com/ Its very easy to see where to click to get to the virus updates - they understand customer service. Once you have paid for the updates you want to get them quickly. For what its worth, I have been a paid user of McAfee Antivirus products since the BBS days in the early 90s - but this excess marketing of their has me ready to switch to Norton AntiVirus. All I am trying to say is ... Enough of the sales pitches already ... -= )-(eather =- >------------------< hjames@thewebgal.com KB Porter wrote: > > <<< Please - spare us the market hits in here - we can find > mcafee (and > Symantec, if you prefer Norton AntiVirus) on our own. > > -= )-(eather =- > >------------------< > hjames@thewebgal.com > > Heather's Website: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/ > My Roxy Music site: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ > >-----------------------------------------------------< > > _____ > > The indestructible worm farts in your general direction. > ____ > > KB Porter wrote: > >>> > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Heather, who put a bee in your bonnet? > > Your extremely hostile 3KB reply to my well meant 2KB post responding > to Simon's report that "beware this is a new one and we won,t be > protected till after 07/06/00..." seems unwarranted. Should you have > issues with me, I am willing to discuss them, only if you are civil. > KBP > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -- ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 01:11:14 +0100 From: thom.wallace@net.ntl.com Subject: [AVALON] ** This Love. ** I got a call earlier from Jim Lawn with the following answer to the question of who composed "This Love". This is a Jerry Burns/Craig Armstrong composition and it hails from the David Stewart sessions from around 1997/8. So there's a nice scottish connection in there. Jim would also like to send his thanks to all the avalonians who have been posting to the official Ferry site and hopes to see some of us at the open air shows over the next couple of months. Btw, Richard could you give Jim a call over the wekend. It still looks like the video from Paris will be the one used for the autumn release though there were a few other show that had been filmed under consideration. Cheers, Tom. ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 01:40:34 +0100 From: "Johnny Reece" Subject: [AVALON] RE : 'This Love' Being a Craig Armstrong composition, I presume it is the same song featured on his 'The Space Between Us' (coincidentally enough) Album. Great song, sung really beautifully by Elizabeth Fraser - surprised me, as I can't stand the Cocteaus. It'll be very interesting to see how Bry has 'treated' it, and he'll have to really go some to top the Armstrong/Fraser version (if you don't mind me saying !). This is one of the songs from when he was around Crouch End for a few days ('my manor', as they say) so it's good to see things appearing from then. Wonder whatever happened to co-writer Jerry Burns anyway ? Interesting debut album - and then - gone. Reecey... ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 02:33:26 +0100 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: [AVALON] Report from Carrickfergus... Dear All, During a brief sojourn in the oul' country last week, I felt it my bounden duty to revisit the subject of that most poignant of Bryan's current touring repertoire - to attempt to unlock some of the mystery of that timeless air (see - I was thinking of you all even though I was so far away !) So, armed only with an umbrella and a smattering of the local dialect, I drove up to Carrickfergus last Sunday. As I approached the familiar outline of the 12th century castle which so dominates the town, both in terms of its turbulent history and of its skyline, I became uncomfortably aware of two things: 1) There was precious little to do in Carrickfergus but visit the castle 2) The castle was shut. Mercifully, it opened some hours later and a semblance of life returned to the town as the tourists trickled in... A short history lesson: the name derives from the legend that Fergus (one of the kings of Dalriada) arrived about 530 AD in search of a cure for a skin disease (most likely leprosy) but ran aground in a fierce storm and was drowned. The rock on which his ship is said to have foundered (and the site of the castle itself) became known as Crag Fergus or rock of Fergus. In 1177 a Norman knight, John de Courcy (with the blessing of Henry II) landed there and started to build the castle as a base for his campaign to subjugate Ulster - only to be ousted by one Hugh de Lacy, himself later thrown out by a suspicious King John, who effectively established the town. The Scots, English and Irish (but particularly the Scots !) then spent several centuries knocking seven bells out of the town (and each other) in attempts to gain control of this most strategic corner of the island. In 1690, William III landed there (following the previous year's siege against forces loyal to James II) on the way to his decisive battle at the Boyne river. The castle was still being used to billet troops right up until WWII. So, what insights did the local tourist information office have for me (and you, gentle reader) about their famous song ? Um, well...none, actually ! The only mention I could find was the slogan 'I Wish I Was...in Carrickfergus' on their brochures. So, it's all still a big mystery...what is our hero doing in Ballygrant anyway (a village on the Scottish Isle of Islay) ? Maybe our Highlands and Islands correspondent can shed some light on this ? What has Kilkenny (even further away) got to do with anything ? Having spent a few hours in Carrickfergus myself, I can certainly understand the need for a drink... Regards, Ivor. n.p. What else ?? ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 21:47:21 -0400 From: "Theresa Fagan" Subject: [AVALON] 'This Love' you can listen to the entire song (legally) here: http://melankolic.astralwerks.com/craig_armstrong/album.html - --TriTri ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 21:52:31 -0400 From: "Theresa Fagan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Language perleeeese we Akron girls gotta stick together ---> Chrissie was a writer. - --TriTri - -----Original Message----- From: Turner, Chris (cturner) | Even Chrissie Hynde was a photographer on the NME... ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 03:04:54 +0100 From: "Johnny Reece" Subject: [AVALON] Sun Studio, and Pic covers hunting. According to the new 'UNCUT' out today, Bry's contribution to the Sun studios Album is 'Don't Be Cruel'. Remember the version done by Billy Swan in 74 ? Slow-slow-slow - s l o w e d down so much, but it really worked. Would like to hear Bry give it a similar treatment. Welcome back Ivor, and thanks for the postcard. I'll send you one from le grand old Francais, ( though I'll probably be back before it arrives. ) Hope to have time to nip through and visit Bruges on Saturday before I start work at 7pm, though it will be a close-run thing time wise, but there's a brill Vinyl Shop there which I find hard to resist - have picked up many pic-cover 7" gems in the past there, 'IYLSE', 'In Crowd', 'Hard Rain', a French 'Pyjamarama', and German 'V. Plain' and 'Strand', and my fave, a Jap 'V.Plain' with different pic of Kari-Ann. More recently, was chuffed to get a pic cover of the Stones 'Star Star', and Marianne Faithfulls 'Why D'ya Do It' (which got me a £500 fine for playing it on the radio from the RA some months later - so an expensive purchase it turned out to be!) Got those last 2 already on the Albums of course, but purchases I couldn't resist because of the covers. Vinyl overdose ! (It's a disease, you know, and there is no cure - I thought I'd fix my addiction by opening my own Record Shop. It made me worse). I will go straight to the 'F' and 'R' singles sections first, naturellement. Reecey... PS 'Cirque' production restarted. A few done today, more next week. ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V5 #210 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest