From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #196 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Friday, May 19 2000 Volume 05 : Number 196 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [AVALON] RE: The Long, long tour.... [Frank Smith ] [AVALON] List Protocol [JObinv01@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Ferry at the RFH Video [thom.wallace@net.ntl.com] [AVALON] musikladen ["Amy Bettisworth" ] Re: [AVALON] ABCD Goldfish [avalon-digest V5 #192] ["David Squires" ] Re: [AVALON] RE: The Long, long tour.... ["Victor Hastings" ] Re: [AVALON] 3 questions [thom.wallace@net.ntl.com] [AVALON] Thanks ["eman96" ] Re: [AVALON] 3 questions ["Sebastian Fasthuber" Subject: RE: [AVALON] RE: The Long, long tour.... Okay, Okay...I'll drop the cynicism but I want some new material....! Frank - -----Original Message----- From: Martin Stockman [mailto:martinstockman@btinternet.com] Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 1:00 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE: The Long, long tour.... - ---------- >From: Frank Smith I don't get it!! Why? Why the long tour - for a > 54 year old guy with a large group (doesn't that cost alot as well?) > Somebody explain!!!!! I addressed this conundrum a few weeks ago Frank. The money's not bad - I know the Petworth details from an insider - but truth be told the old crooner's enjoying himself. He's fit, in the constant company of a talented, beautiful, non-smoking, string section, singing lovely songs to appreciative audiences, spending time travelling to (mostly) interesting old cities and so forth. Not a bad way to earn a crust. And I don't buy the cynical view that he's frightened of turining round those aural canvases that have been resting against the studio wall ... Why not see it for what it is ? Bryan's happy ! 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To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 18:53:59 +0200 From: "Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Today on Ebay The first one is the Massey Hall performance that James James has put on the web a few weeks ago. > Oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear! > > It seems Ebay have let a few naughty things slip in. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=334285998 > BRYAN FERRY (Roxy Music) TORONTO "99 CD > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=333138373 > CD Bryan Ferry "I'm In The Mood For Love" - The Best of the Solo Years > > Happy bidding! ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 13:00:01 EDT From: AESYSTON@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE: The Long, long tour.... In a message dated 5/18/00 5:47:43 GMT Daylight Time, FrankSmith@Sycamores.org writes: << Okay, Okay...I'll drop the cynicism but I want some new material....! > With only a dozen "new " songs in 13 years don't we all Steve ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 10:08:26 -0700 From: "Turner, Chris (cturner)" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Today on Ebay The second one is a crappy Russian copy of a rather eclectic choice of copywritten material lifted straight from the last few albums. There's no new material here. > -----Original Message----- > From: Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest [SMTP:snijders.geest@hetnet.nl] > Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 5:54 PM > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Today on Ebay > > The first one is the Massey Hall performance that James James has put on > the > web a few weeks ago. > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=334285998 > > BRYAN FERRY (Roxy Music) TORONTO "99 CD > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=333138373 > > CD Bryan Ferry "I'm In The Mood For Love" - The Best of the Solo Years > Chris ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 12:54:32 -0500 (CDT) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty) Subject: [AVALON] Re; United we all stand tall " The real test of CLASS- Is how you treat people who cannot possibly do you any good." "Our differences make us Unique." " If you want to gather honey, Don't kick over the beehive." Avalonland-- live life to the fullest or sit by & miss out on all the great things life has to offer. Life is a great big opportinity of adventure & challenges & we can tackle them.................. - -----Marlana................................................. ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 14:05:50 -0400 (EDT) From: jason and jill Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re; United we all stand tall > " The real test of CLASS- Is how you treat people who cannot possibly do > you any good." > "Our differences make us Unique." > " If you want to gather honey, Don't kick over the beehive." > Avalonland-- live life to the fullest or sit by & miss out on all the > great things life has to offer. Life is a great big opportinity of > adventure & challenges & we can tackle them.................. Umm, yes, but what does this have to do with people that can't trim their posts, blow out a whole digest of triple and quadruple repeated quotes, and then when this is pointed out them tell the person to get the stick out of her ass? I don't care where people from, as long as they somewhat follow the list guidelines and avoid insulting other subscribers who ask them to do so. Jason ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 19:30:40 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) From: Mark Sturdy Subject: Re: [AVALON] Reproduction Simon Galloway wrote: > That track was never a single, only Being Boiled (albeit a different > version) and Empire State Human were singles from Travelogue. They > also released their cover of Gary Glitter's Rock And Roll Part 1 > around the same time. Empire State Human was from Reproduction! C'mon... > And you're right, the first two albums were the best they did. I agree... although unlikely as it may seem, I'd also put a word in for Octopus from 1995. It's the most atmospheric, purely electronic (none of those chicka-chicka rhythm guitars that plagued most of their later '80s stuff) thing they've done since those halcyon early days, and I think that qualatively speaking it's up there with their best work. Now lurking in a bargain bin near you... - -- Mark "As I stumble through the dark, dream lovers dream apart..." ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 15:23:23 EDT From: JObinv01@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] List Protocol There have been several discussions/complaints about messages not being trimmed which is a very good and valid point. I would like to make a wee request regarding the protocol for SUBJECT HEADINGS for mails on this list. Some times a thread comes from a post which was not the main subject of the original post and other threads come from that and so on. Several threads later we have subject headings, for example, 'Dublin Review' and the whole content of the post is nothing to do with a show in Dublin. Could we try and change our subject headings, in a reply, to something more accurate to the new post if our reply from a post is different to it's original main topic. John O'Brien ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 20:21:26 +0100 From: thom.wallace@net.ntl.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry at the RFH Video From what I've heard ealier from Jim Lawn the RFH footage has been rejected. However there is the possibility of the Paris show being used for a DVD release. If I hear anythine else on this I'll post it a.s.a.p. Tom. ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 16:03:03 -0400 From: "Amy Bettisworth" Subject: [AVALON] musikladen Just got my Musikladen dvd yesterday, and am enjoying it tremendously. Does anyone know the dates of these performances? I couldn't find any mention on the packaging. Also, is it me or does the audience look totally disinterested? Finally, does anyone know where I could get my hands on the promotional poster for "Slave to Love?" It's the one featured over Ferris' bed in "Ferris Bueller's Day Off." I've been on a wild goose chase for years now! Thanks! Amy B. ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 21:51:53 +0100 From: "David Squires" Subject: Re: [AVALON] ABCD Goldfish [avalon-digest V5 #192] On 17 May 2000, at 11:38, Ivor wrote: > Worse even than that is that they could have so wasted the talents > of a producer like Martin Rushent (Gentle Giant 'Octopus') !! Terribly sad, Gentle Giant. Don't tell me how clever it was 'cause I'll throttle you! ;-) Can I just say that I rather liked some of Dare? And Rushent's sound of that time - massive over-use of the linn drum machine. My favourites of his early eighties productions were Pete Shelley's Homosapien and I Don't Know What It Is. David ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 21:51:52 +0100 From: "David Squires" Subject: [AVALON] ABC {Re: avalon-digest V5 #191} On 17 May 2000, at 10:40, Sebastian wrote: > but ABC's "lexicon of love" surely is one of the highlights of the > 80s. Up to a point - great singles, though. I loved playing poison arrow very loud when, at the end of the spoken bit in the middle eight, the drums sounded like they were coming from 3 feet away outside each speaker - marvellous. ISTR that in their film, they wanted Bryan to feature as their manager. Martin Fry said something to the effect that Bryan preferred to go off ski-ing. Which, having now seen the French soap appearance, was a jolly good choice! David David ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 21:51:53 +0100 From: "David Squires" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Glam Talk/Sailor question ?[avalon-digest V5 #190] On 17 May 2000, at 4:05, Reecey... wrote: > Not sure who it was - was it David ? - who asked about a late > Sailor 7". RE : 'Gimme Shakespeare' - could it be 'Give Me La > Samba' (?) which was taken from their 1976 Album 'The Third Step'. > Have got 2 Albums (Vinyl) here in the Shop so have checked them out > - Last album I remember them doing was 'Checkpoint' in 1977, which > doesn't contain that track. Hope that helps ! (though I have a > feeling it might not) ! I can only remember a line from the chorus which went something like "Gimme Shakespeare / Instead of long French Kisses..." and there my memory fails - but thanks for trying! I'll find it one day... David ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 21:51:53 +0100 From: "David Squires" Subject: RE: [AVALON] London Avalonians: 1 - Il Forno: 0 [avalon-digest V5 #188] On 15 May 2000, at 18:25, Jocelyn wrote: > that if my befuddled memory serves me well is at my Auntie Winnie's > house in Washington CD!) Does everyone in County Durham have an Auntie Winnie? My Auntie Joy (middle name Winifred) had one too, in Shotley Bridge. It always rains in Durham County... David ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 16:53:25 -0400 From: "Gene" Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE: The Long, long tour.... >-----Original Message----- >From: Frank Smith >Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 15:09 >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: The Long, long tour.... > > >You know what I find interesting....I have heard in the past that Ferry >doesn't like touring (he has said "It's difficult because of my family, >etc...) - yet he embarks on a 6 month tour! All over the world...With a set >of "standards" (and BF/RM...) I don't get it? Is it because he's getting >paid the big bucks? Or - is it his way to avoid having to grapple with new >material, and his well-known obsessive procrastination, etc... (and the >reunion talk, etc..?...) I don't get it!! Why? Why the long tour - for a >54 year old guy with a large group (doesn't that cost alot as well?) >Somebody explain!!!!! What I find interesting is that when it comes to rock artist whose biggest hits are well behind them, there is little or no respect paid to them. I mean, when and if they decide to hit the road again or release a new album, the news is usually greeted with the same tired old clichés, "On tour?!!.....what...in wheelchairs?!! Har har har!!" Yet, Blues, jazz and country artist seem to get more respect as they age. Especially blues. Wheel Muddy Waters out on stage and he gets a 15 minute standing ovation and is described as a *master* bluesman and *eloquent*. But Ian Anderson is just some old fart trying to revive a lost cause. What is with this attitude? Because rock is associated with being a young person`s genre? That`s stupid and seems a bit bigoted, IMO! As far as I`m concerned, most artist still have what it takes long after their hit making period. So why shouldn`t they perform as long as there are fans willing to pay and new fans interested in seeing the rockers who laid the foundation for today`s artist? Gene ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 16:07:35 -0500 From: "Victor Hastings" Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE: The Long, long tour.... - ---- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" To: Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE: The Long, long tour.... (snip) > What I find interesting is that when it comes to rock artist whose biggest > hits are well behind them, there is little or no respect paid to them. I > mean, when and if they decide to hit the road again or release a new album, > the news is usually greeted with the same tired old clichés, "On > tour?!!.....what...in wheelchairs?!! Har har har!!" > > Yet, Blues, jazz and country artist seem to get more respect as they age. > Especially blues. Wheel Muddy Waters out on stage and he gets a 15 minute > standing ovation and is described as a *master* bluesman and *eloquent*. But > Ian Anderson is just some old fart trying to revive a lost cause. What is > with this attitude? Because rock is associated with being a young person`s > genre? That`s stupid and seems a bit bigoted, IMO! well, i think that for a long time after the 1960s most people viewed rock with a 'hope i die before i get old' mindset. that approach could get a bit embarrassing for those performers who chose not to take that approach. blues has traditionally been associated with world weariness and so forth, and that tends not to be a young person's world view. > As far as I`m concerned, most artist still have what it takes long after > their hit making period. So why shouldn`t they perform as long as there are > fans willing to pay and new fans interested in seeing the rockers who laid > the foundation for today`s artist? i'll go further. with the internet today making music distribution far cheaper, why can't older acts who still have something to say, but who may not be able to generate substantial sales, take care of their fans by distributing material in mp3 format by private subscription? there are plenty of unresolved security issues and so forth but for the aging rocker who has invested wisely and doesn't need to worry so much about income, it would be a great outlet. > The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. and makes castanets out of your testicles. ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 18:24:10 EDT From: Avalon887@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] re: FYI MARK KNOPFLER and BRYAN FERRY are among the first artists to record tracks for an in-progress Sun Records tribute album. ELVIS PRESLEY's former bandmembers SCOTTY MOORE and D.J. FONTANA participated in the sessions for the first three songs at London's Abbey Road studio. According to the project's organizers, Los Angeles-based Middle Fork Productions, the WHO, JIMMY PAGE and ROBERT PLANT, ELTON JOHN, VAN MORRISON and BONNIE RAITT have all been asked to participate, but an official announcement of the confirmed artists will not be released for another three weeks. ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 18:30:05 PDT From: "alannah selene" Subject: [AVALON] 3 questions Hi, There is such a wealth of knowledge here...thought I'd throw these questions out and see what y'all have to say. First of all, does anyone know if Bryan or Roxy have ever been sampled in an electronic song? I am also a Tori Amos fan and she has been sampled 4 times, so I just wondered... Has anyone ordered merchandise from "BryanFerrydirect.com"? There are some nice posters there I was thinking of ordering, but the people I know who've ordered from "ToriAmosdirect.com" have had a lot of complaints with the service. Lastly, has anyone (else) heard of the band, Ladytron? They have 2 releases that I've seen (I ordered the self-titled one for the store I work in--it's very, um, interesting! I have to give it another listen, but it was way out there!). This might have already been mentioned before I got here, but I'm pretty sure that not many people are aware of them since they're kind of obscure. I have a quote about them by Lee Mason: "Ted Velykis' 'The Ladytron' sounds as though they have been preserved in a deep freeze since the early 70s, but they have come out of it sounding extra fresh." Hmm! Alannah ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 02:54:06 +0100 From: thom.wallace@net.ntl.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] 3 questions Hi Alannah, I can partly help you with question 1. Amazona was samples heavily about five years back, but I don't know who it was sampled by. The chap who played the cd to me really didn't like Roxy, you should have seen the look on his face when I told him where the sample from his new fav' cd came from. Cheers, Tom. > First of all, does anyone know if Bryan or Roxy have ever been sampled in an > electronic song? I am also a Tori Amos fan and she has been sampled 4 > times, so I just wondered... ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 22:45:14 -0700 From: "eman96" Subject: [AVALON] Thanks Thanks to those answering the "one song" thread. Much fun. e ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 08:34:22 +0200 From: "Sebastian Fasthuber" Subject: Re: [AVALON] 3 questions the german electronic musician wolfgang voigt sampled RM's "true to life" (the high guitar bit - "di dam dam", you know) in a track called "life's a gas" for his "love inc."CD. the track only consists of samples and a bit of delay stuff - the other samples being marc bolan and hor chocolate ("a child's prayer"). sebastian ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 02:01:32 -0500 From: jas2347@xsite.net Subject: [AVALON] Heaven 17 Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 01:52:10 -0700 From: Russell Schaffer Subject: Re: [AVALON] Reproduction It's funny, to my recollection Heaven 17 didn't do anything very good either. I liked Penthouse and Pavement. Great bass line and very snappy. Jas ___________________________________________________________________________ The indestructible tagline farts in your general direction. To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V5 #196 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest