From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #179 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Monday, May 8 2000 Volume 05 : Number 179 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Irish review & interview ["gareth mc ginley" ] Re: [AVALON] Avalonian meetings ["alannah selene" ] [AVALON] 'real cool time' ["Sebastian Fasthuber" ] Re: [AVALON] Irish review & interview ["Robert Whiteford" ] Re: [AVALON] 'real cool time' [Jim Rosencutter ] Re: [AVALON] glam [Russell Schaffer ] SV: [AVALON] 'real cool time' ["Magnus Fornestig" ] Re: [AVALON] Irish review & interview ["Tracy Connell" ] Re: [AVALON] Hang Ten [Russell Schaffer ] Re: [AVALON] Hang Ten ["Gene" ] [AVALON] New Tangent - Lists ["eman96" ] Re: [AVALON] 'real cool time' ["Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest" ] RE: [AVALON] 'real cool time' [Terry Lane ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 16:57:26 IST From: "gareth mc ginley" Subject: [AVALON] Irish review & interview The following review (already mentioned by Betsy) of last weeks concert in Dublin appeared in the Irish Times on tuesday 02/05/2000: "From space-age glam-rocker to smooth, svelte crooner, Bryan Ferry has grown old more gracefully than most, and when he played for two nights at Dublin's Olympia Theatre, he earned himself the title of rock's most distinguished gentleman. At 53, Ferry looks dapper and debonaire - bet your dad wouldn't look so cool in leather trousers. From his early days fronting Roxy Music, Ferry has always had a passion for glitzy cabaret and smoky jazz, but now he can indulge his tastes without having to keep tongue in rouged cheek. Backed by an onstage orchestra, Ferry delivered a mix of show tunes, solo songs and early Roxy Music hit, blending each era together in a seamless, stylish revue. Tunes from his current covers album, As Time Goes By, showcased Ferry's timeless quality, and he handled the intricacies of Falling In Love Again and Just One Of Those Things with masterful skill; the stunning (in more ways than one) string section added pizazz to the proceedings, while the brass section kept everything in the swing. It was weird to watch old session musicians reading off Roxy Music songs such as Out Of The Blue, Avalon, and Love Is The Drug, but at least the bass player sounded like a natural rocker beneath the monkey suit. Ferry built up a fine portrait of an accomplished songwriter and stylist. One of the show's magic moments came when Ferry performed his cover of John Lennon's Jealous Guy, imbuing the song with his own personality, and probably eliciting some envy from the direction of rock 'n' roll Heaven. Let's Stick Together, in contrast, was your run of the mill rock workout, but it brought the audience to its feet, and gave the girls in the string section a chance to whoop and holler a la Jerry Hall. Ferry chose to end the show with one of Roxy Music's more offbeat tunes, Do The Strand. This brash dancehall pastiche gave the whole orchestra free rein to whip up a riotous finale, and gave Ferry one last chance to play the lounge lizard." Kevin Courtney A Ferry interview also appeared in last Sunday's (Irish) News Of The World. He spoke at length about his passion for cycling, how it could easily have been his career, how he loves to watch the Tour De France every year, and his admiration for once great Irish cyclists Stephen Roache and Sean Kelly. He discussed his love for Ireland, particularly Galway and Cork. One local Galway man talked about how Bryan always comes into the bar for a few pints of Guinness, after a days fishing, in his wellies and overalls. He's always very pleasent and welcome. Bryan also talked (in his usual vague terms) about his marriage, which he says is constantly "on and off". Finally to Mark - "the black stuff" = Guinness. Bryan was drinking Guinness after last weeks show. Regards, Gareth. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 17:11:11 +0100 From: "Robert Whiteford" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Irish review & interview For a guy who in a lot a ways is an easy target for criticism because he's 54, singing 30's songs,and not had a hit in 7 years the reviews of both the album and tour have been really fair and incredibly positive. Not even press hostile to Ferry or his lifestyle have been able to knock his music. I have to say I'm a little surprised at the number of people on here who aren't that impressed with ATGB - it's all opinion I know - but I reckon this is his most creative output in ages and his most emotional since the Bride Stripped Bare. He's done the polished production thing to death. Coming back (bladdered) from my brother in laws wedding (Sue driving I hasten to add) and listening to ATGB in the car you just can't help but sing along to every song................... Rob - ----- Original Message ----- From: gareth mc ginley To: Sent: 07 May 2000 17:57 Subject: [AVALON] Irish review & interview - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 16:38:11 GMT From: "Tracy Connell" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Irish review & interview I agree that ATGB is an excellent album. I think that 'Where or When' is great - when he sang it at the Newcastle concert in December it was quite an emotional moment when he sang about having met somewhere before. I kept thinking, 'Yes we have met before, here in Newcastle in 1995!!'. At the moment I've been doing some catching up on the Roxy albums which I haven't heard before. I think 'If It Takes All Night' on the Country Life album is great. Are there any similar songs which I can look forward to listening to on the other albums? Tracy >From: "Robert Whiteford" >I have to say I'm a little surprised at the number of people on here who >aren't that impressed with ATGB - it's all opinion I know - but I reckon >this is his most creative output in ages and his most emotional since the >Bride Stripped Bare. He's done the polished production thing to death. >Rob ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 16:43:48 GMT From: "Tracy Connell" Subject: [AVALON] Avalonian meetings Just a suggestion really: If there were a few of us living in the same area we could get together now and then and meet for a chat and a drink. I don't know what concentration of Avalonians there are in different places, but if there was enough we could organise something regular. On the other hand, we're probably scattered across the world too much. What do you think? Tracy. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 10:43:49 PDT From: "alannah selene" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Avalonian meetings I haven't had a chance to peruse Kicki G's site to see if there's anyone around my area, but I don't think there is...I'm just outside of Boulder, Colorado USA. I lament the fact that when I was in England last summer for a month, I didn't even know this list existed! I would LOVE to meet some fellow Avalonians and have a good chat, exchange stories...my boss at the record store is sick of hearing "Bryan this, Bryan that" and he's the only one around who even knows who Bryan is! I will be going back to the UK in the future, though, so I look forward to seeing some of you! Alannah >From: "Tracy Connell" >If there were a few of us living in the same area we could get together now >and then and meet for a chat and a drink. I don't know what concentration >of Avalonians there are in different places, but if there was enough we >could organise something regular. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 19:25:16 +0100 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: [AVALON] K-Scope - The Remaster Dear All, Now here's a surprise - an album I used to regard as disappointing turns out to have more good tunes than you can shake a Firebird at. 'K-Scope' is, as its name suggests, a reflection and refraction of the changing musical times in which it was conceived. Splashes of reggae ('Cuban Crisis'), punk ('Remote Control') and even disco ('Hot Spot') were all Manzaneered in his own inimitable fashion. In those uncertain times for musicians with more than three chords to their name, he weathered the storm by harnessing the best elements of that storm on this album. For me, it's the instrumentals ('KScope', 'N-Shift' and 'You Are Here') and the quieter songs ('Gone Flying') which really benefit from the remastering, with more dynamic range and depth than I remember them having. I am finding new layers in the arrangements, with guitar lines I've never heard before popping up out of nowhere. The difficulty now is finding tracks that are less than superb. Only 'Numbers' (even with its 'CPL593H' quote) is disappointing (sorry, guys but Messrs Wetton, Manzanera and Phillips are a dream team and nothing less than brilliant will do !). 'Walking Through Heaven's Door' is still my favourite song from this album though and could have been a lost 'Listen Now !' track with its opening slow-motion night scenes of rain-washed airport runways, paranoia and hopes of escape from unnamed horrors. When Bill MacCormick sings 'This is it, now we're here at last ' I now get digitally remastered goosepimples ! Of course the vision of a better life turns out to be a dystopian nightmare not unlike a certain dream home heartache... This, followed beautifully by the darkly reflective 'You Are Here', is worth the price of admission alone. Of the extra 'Phillers', the live versions of 'Remote Control' and 'Out Of The Blue' from 1977 are both from the '801 Live At Manchester University' album but have been so well spruced up (remastered *and* remixed ?) that they take on a whole new lease of life, better balanced and punchier than before (once again, where did that bass come from ?). The demo of 'It Don't Matter To Me' (later, the Stranglers-esque 'Slow Motion TV') is interesting in having the cool voice of Simon Ainley in place of the more mannered Tim Finn - more work-in-progress tunes and demos, please !! Finally, top marks to Phil for the additional sleevenotes. The anecdote about Chris Squire's awards gave me a warm glow of remembrance from my own brief visit to Gallery Studios looking up at MY hero's gold and platinum discs on the wall. My advice ? 'Sit back relax and dream - this is the future, this is tomorrow's scheme'...er...on second thoughts, better not ! Some thoughts on 'Primitive Guitars' later... Regards, Ivor. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 20:24:09 +0200 From: "Sebastian Fasthuber" Subject: [AVALON] 'real cool time' has anyone heard (of) the 'real cool time'-live lp (vienna, 1973)? i found it on the 'heart still beating'-site, the cover (bad quality) looks like ferry hanging out in a viennese café. it is also on the bootleg archive-site (which says: "brown vinyl, released on prentner records". of course nobody here in vienna has heard of neither label nor record. i even contacted fritz ostermayer - sort of the austrian john peel - he did not know anything about it). i hope i will hold this one in my hands one fine day. heart still bleeding in vienna, sebastian - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 11:46:52 -0700 From: "eman96" Subject: [AVALON] glam >And if anybody knows of a source for mp3s of this type, please e-mail me off-list :) Napster, Napster, Napster. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 17:44:37 +0100 From: "Robert Whiteford" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Irish review & interview Tracy Not sure what you haven't heard but "Serenade" from Stranded is upbeat and has a great lyric. Also Both Ends Burning from Siren These aren't similar but despite popular opinion not much of his music really is ! Rob > At the moment I've been doing some catching up on the Roxy albums which I > haven't heard before. I think 'If It Takes All Night' on the Country Life > album is great. Are there any similar songs which I can look forward to > listening to on the other albums? > > Tracy - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 16:29:42 -0400 From: "Gene" Subject: Re: [AVALON] 'real cool time' - -----Original Message----- From: Sebastian Fasthuber To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Sunday, May 07, 2000 2:26 PM Subject: [AVALON] 'real cool time' (snip) >says: "brown vinyl, released on prentner >records". of course nobody here in vienna >has heard of neither label nor record. i even >contacted fritz ostermayer - sort of the austrian >john peel - he did not know anything about it). >i hope i will hold this one in my hands one fine day. This is an American pressing, probably by TMQ who released boots under many different labels to keep the "law" off their trail. (Toasted Records, Saturated, Kornyphone, Pharting Pharaohs, Suma, Shogun, Screaming Wazzo etc...just to name a few). Also, it was common for them to associate these labels with other countries to further confuse the law...and it worked. These guys were never caught and now have a legitimate and quite respected record label. (any guesses?) Several people on the list have this boot but it`s never been offered for a Tree. Maybe one day. Cheers, Gene. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 15:46:35 -0500 From: Jim Rosencutter Subject: Re: [AVALON] 'real cool time' Gene wrote: > > > This is an American pressing, probably by TMQ who released boots under many > different labels to keep the "law" off their trail. (Toasted Records, > Saturated, Kornyphone, Pharting Pharaohs, Suma, Shogun, Screaming Wazzo > etc...just to name a few). Also, it was common for them to associate these > labels with other countries to further confuse the law...and it worked. > These guys were never caught and now have a legitimate and quite respected > record label. (any guesses?) > Rhino? - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 13:57:04 -0700 From: Russell Schaffer Subject: Re: [AVALON] glam http://music.discotext.com login:guest password: guest mp3's of bowie, bolan, roxy, stooges, NY Dolls, Mott the Hoople, MC5, the Shaggs, Eno (including Seven Deadly Finns) and lots more. The archive is for educational purposes mainly. Of course only download songs if you've already rightfully purchased the music. If you download anything you don't own, please delete it from your hard drive after 24 hours. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 23:57:31 +0200 From: "Magnus Fornestig" Subject: SV: [AVALON] 'real cool time' - ----- Original Message ----- From: Sebastian Fasthuber To: Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2000 8:24 PM Subject: [AVALON] 'real cool time' (snip) > has anyone heard (of) the 'real cool time'-live lp > (vienna, 1973)? > > the cover (bad quality) looks like ferry hanging > out in a viennese café. > it is also on the bootleg archive-site (which > says: "brown vinyl, released on prentner > records". I own a copy of "Real Cool Time" (No 659 of 500 numbered copies...). The record label is Rentner records (not Prentner). RR 002. I like the cover of this record very much. Bryan seems very relaxed as he is having his Guinness (?), talking to two local pub visitors. Does anyone know where the picture was taken? My guess would be in a British or Irish pub in the countryside. Unfortunately the sound quality of the record will not give you a real cool time. It is really bad and probably the worst of any Roxy Music / Ferry bootleg I have heard. Ferry´s voice sounds like it is coming from very far away, almost as if he´s singing through a telephone. It is a pity as the record contains songs not very often heard on bootlegs from this time (Amazona, Grey Lagoons, Ladytron and Psalm). Regards, Magnus Fornestig - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 22:27:30 GMT From: "Tracy Connell" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Irish review & interview Thanks for the reply Robert. I will certainly try those songs, I've got quite a few to get through. The only other Roxy songs I have really listened to are from the Streetlife greatest hits double album, the Avalon album , The Ultimate Collection, More Than This and Manifesto. Until recently my collection consisted mainly of Bryan's solo work. I'm afraid Roxy Music wasn't on the scene for me at all when I was growing up in the 1970's as an Elvis Presley fan, so I'm not too familiar with their releases, but I'm making up for it now! Thanks again, Tracy. >From: "Robert Whiteford" >Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org >To: >Subject: Re: [AVALON] Irish review & interview >Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 17:44:37 +0100 > >Tracy > >Not sure what you haven't heard but "Serenade" from Stranded is upbeat and >has a great lyric. > >Also Both Ends Burning from Siren > >These aren't similar but despite popular opinion not much of his music >really is ! > >Rob > > > > > > > At the moment I've been doing some catching up on the Roxy albums which >I > > haven't heard before. I think 'If It Takes All Night' on the Country >Life > > album is great. Are there any similar songs which I can look forward to > > listening to on the other albums? > > > > Tracy > > > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > >Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New >Jersey." > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 18:32:51 -0400 From: "Theresa Fagan" Subject: [AVALON] Hang Ten surf on over to: http://www.geocities.com/re_make_re_model to kill even more time. - --TriTri - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 15:54:26 -0700 From: Russell Schaffer Subject: Re: [AVALON] Hang Ten the premise of a Dutch Roxy cover band is quite amusing, and their photos are equally hilarious. It looks like the keyboardist borrowed his aunt's faux fur coat. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 19:28:12 -0400 From: "Gene" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Hang Ten - -----Original Message----- From: Russell Schaffer To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Sunday, May 07, 2000 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Hang Ten >the premise of a Dutch Roxy cover band is quite amusing, and their >photos are equally hilarious. It looks like the keyboardist borrowed >his aunt's faux fur coat. > I`ll talk to my people in Pigeon Forge about a music theater. Gene - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 21:44:15 -0700 From: "eman96" Subject: [AVALON] New Tangent - Lists Okay, sometimes I get rutted in my Roxy/Ferry/Japan/Sylvian glaze... So here's a challeng to willing list stalwarts -- ala the dj and top tens lists... I want suggestions for music I should pursue/buy. Two variations. List 1: If you like Bryan Ferry, You Must Listen To... Which means I wont want to strangle you if I just go out and buy your suggestion/s sight unheard. List 2. If you like Bryan Ferry you might like..... Which means, I may want to listen to it first. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 08:24:51 +0200 From: "Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest" Subject: Re: [AVALON] 'real cool time' I haven't got it, but I listen to it in a recordstore years ago and I didn't bought it because of the bad soundquality. Han > has anyone heard (of) the 'real cool time'-live lp > (vienna, 1973)? > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 00:29:04 -0700 From: Russell Schaffer Subject: Re: [AVALON] New Tangent - Lists If you like Bryan Ferry you might like..... here's what the all music guide thinks (Roxy, not Ferry per se): Similar Artists: David Bowie Robert Fripp Genesis Lou Reed T. Rex John Cale Japan Syd Barrett Bauhaus Duran Duran The New York Dolls Queen Pulp Joy Division Peter Gabriel Roots and Influences: The Beatles King Crimson The Velvet Underground Pink Floyd Followers: Heldon Alphaville The Cars The Creatures Depeche Mode Duran Duran Eurythmics Ric Ocasek Talk Talk Ultravox B.E.F. Telex Suburbs Bernard Butler Momus Paul Quinn Scott Weiland I would say Bryan's main influences are Bob Dylan, Ethel Merman, Kurt Weill, John Lennon, Phil Spector, Smokey Robinson, Billie Holiday. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 08:42:57 +0100 From: Terry Lane Subject: RE: [AVALON] 'real cool time' Yes I agree Han,the sound quality is poor I bought it many years ago.I like the cover,it is Bryan sitting in a Newcastle pub drinking with the locals. Terry - -----Original Message----- From: Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest [mailto:snijders.geest@hetnet.nl] Sent: 08 May 2000 07:25 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] 'real cool time' I haven't got it, but I listen to it in a recordstore years ago and I didn't bought it because of the bad soundquality. Han > has anyone heard (of) the 'real cool time'-live lp > (vienna, 1973)? > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." *************************************************************** The contents of this Email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. The views stated herein do not necessarily represent the view of the company. If you are not the intended recipient of this Email you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. 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