From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #166 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Thursday, April 27 2000 Volume 05 : Number 166 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Encyclopedia Britannica ["Simon Galloway" ] RE: [AVALON] Encyclopedia Britannica ["mark shanahan" ] [AVALON] EMI Centenary vinyl reissues (was Re: remasters) [Noam Bronstein] Re: [AVALON] Encyclopedia Britannica ["Ivor Canning" ] RE: [AVALON] Encyclopedia Britannica ["Ujvary, Richard A." ] Re: [AVALON] Roxy Video "On the Road" [AESYSTON@aol.com] [AVALON] Slave to love [Kicki Gustafsson ] [AVALON] And another introduction . . . ["Laura Shadbolt" ] Re: [AVALON] Re: What makes a fan [Noam Bronstein ] Re: [AVALON] What makes a man [Noam Bronstein ] Re: [AVALON] thickly covered canvases ["Tim Kendrick" ] Re: [AVALON] *** Andy Mackay News ***. ["Ivor Canning" ] RE: [AVALON] And another introduction . . . [Frederic DECLERCQ ] RE: [AVALON] *** Andy Mackay News ***. [Frederic DECLERCQ Subject: Re: [AVALON] Encyclopedia Britannica Ugh! That's a horrible list. I suppose some of this "art" rock is popular with people of a certain age. Not me though, I'm too young to have been charmed by the overlong babblings of YES! I wouldn't have put Pink Floyd, Roxy or Bowie in that list, and I would have thought a bit about Peter Gabriel. And how they can list anything after 1977? That's the watershed year. Damn those people with the need to pigeonhole! King Crimson, In the Court of the Crimson King (1969) Jethro Tull, Aqualung (1971) Genesis, Foxtrot (1972) Yes, Close to the Edge (1972) Emerson, Lake and Palmer, Brain Salad Surgery (1973) Pink Floyd, The Dark Side of the Moon (1973) Roxy Music, Country Life (1974) Kansas, Leftoverture (1976) David Bowie,"Heroes" (1977) Peter Gabriel, Peter Gabriel (III; 1980) Rush, Moving Pictures (1981) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 07:16:17 -0400 From: "Tim Kendrick" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Official Accusations. My God! What have I done not to be offered a copy of this??? Tim - -----Original Message----- From: Jim Rosencutter To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Official Accusations. >> There appears to be some confusion around the material on the unreleased >> cassette which has surfaced recently.I can confirm that it is from the >> "Horoscope" sessions and that what had been apparently shared between a >> handful of people has now grown to anumber in excess of 20 plus. > >=:0 (shocked emoticon) > >Who here is holding out on us? > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > >Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New >Jersey." > > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 05:37:51 PDT From: "mark shanahan" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Encyclopedia Britannica >From: Frederic DECLERCQ >Reading this mail, they played Don't stop the dance on the belgian radio... oh, that's nuthin'; while at the local 'shopping cathedral' (combo grocery/dept. store et. al.) last night, i hear a familiar syncopation & synth line ... avalon - **oooh, oooh** w/vocal, mind you. never heard it amongst the _masses_ - w/vocal. there's a first time for everything ... if you wait 18 years or so. after that, they played the 'horoscope' tapes, so it was quite a night, as you might imagine ... (!) it kind of sounds like captain beefheart meets paul robeson, if i'm not mistaken. oh, well - on to bigger and better things! peaces/ms ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 05:50:51 PDT From: "mark shanahan" Subject: [AVALON] official insinuation permutation >From: Jim Rosencutter >=:0 (shocked emoticon) > >Who here is holding out on us? oooh - good question! >From: "Theresa Fagan" >Recently posted on the www.bryanferry.com bulletin board: >Re:Avalon Mailing List by jim on 25-Apr-00 >HELP! I'm trying to subscibe to the mailing list and I need some help and >guidance. this *must* be a joke, right? peaces/ms ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 15:09:53 +0100 From: Jocelyn Fiske Subject: RE: [AVALON] The Avalon Gathering I think you'll find the idea of a get together was mooted long before any idea of an "official" (ooh there's that word AGAIN) convention. A potential meet-up was suggested as early as the Golders Green concert. As you recall we only just made the last tube back into the big bad city. It was brought up again and again at nearly every gig. Reecey suggested it at the RFH, I owe drinks to the N'cle contingency and would welcome an opportunity to pay my dues. Time ran out on us again in Paris. So the mere suggestion that this was instigated by a posting that Jimbo (hey, let's get over familiar here why don't we?) wanted a convention is utter bollocks. The old Roxy Music Fan Club get togethers appealed to me when I was in my teens but I grew up into a big girl who chooses to meet and hob knob with anyone I choose to thank you very much. Jocelyn - -----Original Message----- From: Richard Swift [mailto:richard_swift@lineone.net] Sent: 27 April 2000 00:34 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Avalon Gathering - ----- Original Message ----- From: Jocelyn Fiske Subject: RE: [AVALON] The Avalon Gathering > C'mon Scouse lad, this is a few mates getting together to get drunk and chew > the BF/RM fat. Why does everything have to be "official"? God, it's like living at home and > having to tell your Mam what time you're coming home. Jocelyn - I know what the idea is (and it's a good one) - it's just that this subject was most recently sparked off by a post indicating Jim Lawn would like to hold some kind of convention and an earlier idea of a list get together started off again. I just expressed my preference to be as inclusive as possible. Regards, Richard - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 09:25:06 -0500 (CDT) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty) Subject: [AVALON] Re: Back to business Well, it seems like J. H.( the blonde ) isn't following Bryan around on tour as someone had mentioned here before. She's in town (Dallas) with kids in tow for the Easter holidays. She was seen having lunch Mon. at the posh Star Canyon Rest. Also Nick Nolte, but they weren't together. He's here to see his Dr. 48Hrs . doing a segment on this one. I wonder if they took in Tina's concert like I did Thurs. This is Secretary 's week, do something nice for your staff. Marlana............................ - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 15:36:29 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Avalon Gathering - ---------- >From: Jocelyn Fiske > I grew up into a big girl who chooses to meet and hob knob with > anyone I choose to thank you very much. You're one of the finest hobbers and knobbers I've ever come across. pip pip Martino - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:05:14 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Avalon Gathering Dear Jocelyn: You are one fascinating hell-of-a pistol. My compliments. I hope to meet you at an Avalon get-together, where or when? Who knows. State-side Avalonians do need lead-time to attend a gathering held in the UK. And we need something more than a few hours gathering to make the travels well worth the effort, time, and expense. That is where I envision a "convention" type event scheduled around a Ferry musical event. Avalonians can congregate at will during the proceedings. Mind you, I am not proposing a circus like atmosphere. Also, the cost of the "convention type event" might be defrayed for all attending if the "officials" are persuaded to organize and host the event. Of course, this sketchy scenario is only a thought. Personally, I would need between six to twelve months advance notice in order to be assured of a time slot reservation in my agenda. Best wishes, KBP - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 09:12:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Noam Bronstein Subject: [AVALON] EMI Centenary vinyl reissues (was Re: remasters) I believe Tim you mentioned seeing sealed copies of Roxy Music on vinyl in a NYC shop. Since the recent remasters have not been announced for release on vinyl (to my knowledge), what you likely saw was an EMI Centenary reissue. These go for $25-30 and were pressed at EMI's Hayes plant. I don't have info on how good they may be; I'll try to find out (..again, as a general rule, it's very unlikely they will be "better" now after the master tapes have been degrading for 28 yrs..unless a better master was found, or a horrible cutting job was done the first time around.. but, they may sound nicer than your old scratched up copy). Roxy Music was part of Phase II of these releases (as was Iggy's Lust for Life) which are at least touted as being "from analog sources". Phase I releases were from digital sources and included FYP. More info on these are at: http://www.audiophileusa.com/EMI.HTM - -Noam ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:15:31 +0100 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Encyclopedia Britannica Simon wants us to know how he feels: > Ugh! That's a horrible list. I suppose some of this "art" rock is popular with people of a certain age. Not me though, I'm too young to have been charmed by the overlong babblings of YES! But, like it or not, they all (bar Kansas and Rush) have links with Roxy Music and Bryan Ferry, none more so than Crimso. My take on the magical UK 'watershed year' of 1977 (yet more pigeonholing !) is that, while it temporarily blew away a few cobwebs, the net effect was actually to homogenise rock music and commercialise it still further, stifling individuality and eclecticism. Regards, Ivor. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:29:06 +0200 From: "L.R.S.H.S" Subject: [AVALON] test test - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:00:41 -0400 From: "Ujvary, Richard A." Subject: RE: [AVALON] Encyclopedia Britannica In terms of movements, I'd say Roxy/Ferry is really high up in giving us the feel and thoughts of a "post modern" age. I just wonder though how all the irony and taking things from other places has affected Ferry's concept of art and creativity today. With his appropriations, can you say that he's satisfied creatively and that he's doing something "new" even though we're looking at re-workings of the past? Too bad he couldn't write something on a site focusing on art, music etc. I'd love to get his opinions on this anything goes post mod age. Rich - -----Original Message----- From: Ivor Canning [mailto:ivor.canning@cwcom.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 12:16 PM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Encyclopedia Britannica Simon wants us to know how he feels: > Ugh! That's a horrible list. I suppose some of this "art" rock is popular with people of a certain age. Not me though, I'm too young to have been charmed by the overlong babblings of YES! But, like it or not, they all (bar Kansas and Rush) have links with Roxy Music and Bryan Ferry, none more so than Crimso. My take on the magical UK 'watershed year' of 1977 (yet more pigeonholing !) is that, while it temporarily blew away a few cobwebs, the net effect was actually to homogenise rock music and commercialise it still further, stifling individuality and eclecticism. Regards, Ivor. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 19:04:59 +0100 From: "Martin" Subject: Re: [AVALON] uk - 'stars in their eyes' I was unfortunate enough to be exposed to this programme on Saturday, and although I didn't see all of it, there was no sign that I saw. - -----Original Message----- From: S.J.Batie@open.ac.uk To: avalon@smoe.org Date: 25 April 2000 09:06 Subject: [AVALON] uk - 'stars in their eyes' >i have it (albeit fourth hand) that there was a 'bryan ferry' on this >programme on Saturday evening. > >identity and track unknown. > >can anyone confirm or otherwise ? > > > >s > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > >Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New >Jersey." > > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:21:40 -0700 From: Betsy Fowler Subject: [AVALON] Roxy Video "On the Road" Amidst all this excitement over Lawns (enchanted, a garden overgrown?) and technicolor yawns, I saw that an Aussie posted a question about the "Total Recall" video and remembered that I too have a question: can anyone tell me about the "On the Road" video? A copy in PAL format is winging its way to me from the UK after I won it in an auction, whereupon I'll have to convert it to NTSC format. Is it worth spending good money for a quality copy? Thanks, Betsy - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:41:58 EDT From: AESYSTON@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy Video "On the Road" In a message dated 4/26/00 7:25:01 GMT Daylight Time, epfowler@well.com writes: << : can anyone tell me about the "On the Road" video? A copy in PAL format is winging its way to me from the UK after I won it in an auction, whereupon I'll have to convert it to NTSC format. >> Well worth having , if only for the apathetic nature of the audience It was filmed for granada tv and it consists of the Manifesto tour in 79 filmed at the manchester apollo Track listing:- Manifesto Song for Europe Still falls the rain Ain't that so In every dream etc. Love is the drug Editions of you Remake/Remodel Virginia Plain Mother of Pearl Enjoy! regards Steve - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 21:32:27 +0800 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: [AVALON] Slave to love For those of you who eagerly awaits news from the Swedish Album chart, I can inform you that Slave to love is, after 7 weeks, down to place - 59... Kicki - -------------------------- http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG http://www.avalon.pp.se - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:43:31 +0100 From: "Laura Shadbolt" Subject: [AVALON] And another introduction . . . Hello Avalonians, I have been lurking here for a few weeks and was encouraged to introduce myself by Alannah doing the same the other day. I am a 16-year-old girl from Bournemouth in the UK, so possibly the current youngest person here. I was introduced to this list by Thom Wallace who I have been exchanging emails with for about a year. I have *never* seen RM or BF live - at all - and am rather ashamed of this fact! In fact I've only ever been to two gigs. My ambition in life is to be a music journalist. Apart from RM (by the way I would describe myself as an Enojobsonite, but I like the later stuff too, esp. Manifesto), I like loads of different music, but mostly the New Romantics and the like - Suede and Pulp are some of my favourite 90s bands. Unfortunately I don't have a lot of dosh and rarely buy records, but my most recent acquisitions include Purple Rain by Prince, Grace by Jeff Buckley and Fuzzy Logic by the Super Furry Animals. I'm expanding on my record collection, you see. As well as being a Music Fan I am a bit of a sci-fi buff and especially revere the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, Red Dwarf etc, but it would be rude to start discussions along those lines here. Have I rambled too long? I think so. - -- Laura - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 21:09:51 +0100 From: thom.wallace@net.ntl.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] And another introduction . . . Great to see that you decided to join. I'll e-mail you next week after the Duclin show. All the best. Tom. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 21:13:35 +0100 From: thom.wallace@net.ntl.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] And another introduction . . . Yes it should have said Dublin. thom.wallace@net.ntl.com wrote: > Great to see that you decided to join. I'll e-mail you next week after the Duclin > show. > > All the best. > Tom. > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New > Jersey." - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 15:23:56 -0500 (CDT) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty) Subject: [AVALON] Re: What makes a fan I believe it was Tim, ( I deleted message) but will try from memory. If we're not fans of Bryan Ferry then what are we doing here.? Other than a device to move air (fan) it also means ENTHUSIASTIC SUPPORTER. I know for myself I am a supporter , of Bryan' s , I spend my dollars wherever I can to help make sure he stays around singing ,so that I may enjoy another tour from him. Call it what you will, as most here, have ways of referring to Bryan in their own affectionate reference to him. Different strokes for different folks. Marlana....... - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:52:11 -0700 From: Russell Schaffer Subject: [AVALON] What makes a man Regarding the talk about Ferry as some sort of postmodern figurehead, well, it just isn't true. While for a brief period he managed to be a walking piece of pop art, he has quickly retreated from the land of bricolage. As Time Goes By isn't the least bit postmodern. He's doing almost complete faithful covers without a tinge of irony. In fact pretty much everything since Country Life has been no more postmodern or referential than any other pop artist. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 15:06:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Noam Bronstein Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: What makes a fan Dear Mary- Of the two types of fans you describe, sometimes it is hard to tell one from the other on this list. Anyway... although I'm sure we're all enthusiastic supporters in our own way, some of us just do not relish the thought of Bryan Ferry trying to belt out Editions Of You into his geriatric years. regards, Noam - ----- Mary Korfanty wrote: I believe it was Tim, ( I deleted message) but will try from memory. If we're not fans of Bryan Ferry then what are we doing here.? Other than a device to move air (fan) it also means ENTHUSIASTIC SUPPORTER. I know for myself I am a supporter , of Bryan' s , I spend my dollars wherever I can to help make sure he stays around singing ,so that I may enjoy another tour from him. Call it what you will, as most here, have ways of referring to Bryan in their own affectionate reference to him. Different strokes for different folks. Marlana....... ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 15:22:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Noam Bronstein Subject: Re: [AVALON] What makes a man I agree with you about retreating. But it seems to me that even while Ferry was perhaps retreating to safer or more introspective places lyrically and in performance, he channeled that sensibility (and energy) into ever more interesting statements as far as musical production. I really am baffled when I hear people saying they'd produce Ferry's albums for him because he needs to simplify, speed up, blah blah. Uhh, you could do a better job, really? For better or worse Ferry's musical identity (second half + of his career) is all wrapped up in those lush, deceptively complex soundscapes... so enjoy them people. Noam - --- Russell Schaffer wrote: Regarding the talk about Ferry as some sort of postmodern figurehead, well, it just isn't true. While for a brief period he managed to be a walking piece of pop art, he has quickly retreated from the land of bricolage. As Time Goes By isn't the least bit postmodern. He's doing almost complete faithful covers without a tinge of irony. In fact pretty much everything since Country Life has been no more postmodern or referential than any other pop artist. ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 20:26:28 -0400 From: "Tim Kendrick" Subject: Re: [AVALON] thickly covered canvases - --- >I really am baffled when I hear people saying they'd produce Ferry's >albums for him because he needs to simplify, speed up, blah blah. Uhh, >you could do a better job, really? For better or worse Ferry's musical >identity (second half + of his career) is all wrapped up in those lush, >deceptively complex soundscapes... so enjoy them people. > >Noam > I think this is absolutely right. If you don't like those heavily wrought picture-soundscapes, then the Bryan Ferry of the last twenty years isn't for you. To think he would do better work if he took a different approach is like suggesting that Van Gogh would've painted better pictures if he hadn't laid the paint so thickly on the canvas. The rich dense paintwork - and soundwork - is the essence, the very life, of the art. Tim - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 02:14:40 +0100 From: thom.wallace@net.ntl.com Subject: [AVALON] *** Andy Mackay News ***. Jim Lawn phoned last night and asked that the following information on Andy be forwarded to the list. Rock Follies will be released on cd at the end of May. There has been a change of plan and rather than both of the albums being merged on to one cd as originally scheduled there will be two separate cd's. Each cd will include at least one bonus track of the B-side or sides from the single which accompanied the original album. The two tracks that spring to mind are "War Brides" & "B-side". There is also the possibility of unreleased Rock Follies material being released later in the year with the series being repeated on tv. However this is still to be confirmed. At the moment Andy is finishing off his "Psalms" project and this should be released in the autumn. There are also plans to record an album with a female Japanese singer. When the correct spelling of her name has been confirmed this will be posted on the list. (Jim can't remember how to spell it). If there is any further information on these releases or new news it will be forwarded to be posted on the list. Cheers, Tom. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:28:26 -0700 From: Russell Schaffer Subject: [AVALON] thickly covered canvases To think he would do better work if he took a different > approach is like suggesting that Van Gogh would've painted better pictures if he hadn't > laid the paint so thickly on the canvas. The rich dense paintwork - and soundwork - is the essence, the very life, of the art. > > Tim > Thanks Tim! Your comparison of Mamouna/Bete noire era Ferry to Van Gogh was thoroughly hilarious! Although I couldn't tell if you were serious or not, either way it was very funny. Thick paint, or thick sound aren't enemies in themselves, but can be when they're used like tactless. oozing gravy to numb the audience into submission. Lush soundscapes are wonderful when they're done with good judgement (take Heroes for example). However, heavily layering the New Age pad presets on your digital synth and smothering everything in dense reverb (including the singer's highly processed voice) quite often ends up as an AM radio cliche. Russell - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 02:55:08 +0100 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] *** Andy Mackay News ***. Thom, Excellent news - 'War Brides' eh ? My wallet is at the ready (if a little saddle sore). Coincidentally, I recently discovered this website dedicated to The Little Ladies, containing more programme info and pics than you can shake Rula Lenska at : http://members.xoom.com/Follies/ I'm intrigued as to who the Japanese singer might be (I presume it's not Mika or Akiko Yano ?) Regards, Ivor. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Avalon Mailinglist Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 2:14 AM Subject: [AVALON] *** Andy Mackay News ***. > Jim Lawn phoned last night and asked that the following information on > Andy be forwarded to the list. > > Rock Follies will be released on cd at the end of May. There has been a > change of plan and rather than both of the albums being merged on to one > cd as originally scheduled there will be two separate cd's. Each cd will > include at least one bonus track of the B-side or sides from the single > which accompanied the original album. The two tracks that spring to mind > are "War Brides" & "B-side". > > There is also the possibility of unreleased Rock Follies material being > released later in the year with the series being repeated on tv. However > this is still to be confirmed. > > At the moment Andy is finishing off his "Psalms" project and this should > be released in the autumn. There are also plans to record an album with > a female Japanese singer. When the correct spelling of her name has been > confirmed this will be posted on the list. (Jim can't remember how to > spell it). > > If there is any further information on these releases or new news it > will be forwarded to be posted on the list. > > Cheers, > Tom. > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New > Jersey." > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 23:34:34 -0500 From: jas2347@xsite.net Subject: [AVALON] Hold out Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 20:59:46 -0500 From: Jim Rosencutter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Official Accusations. > Re: Bryan Ferry Box Set by jim on 25-Apr-00 > There appears to be some confusion around the material on the unreleased > cassette which has surfaced recently.I can confirm that it is from the > "Horoscope" sessions and that what had been apparently shared between a > handful of people has now grown to anumber in excess of 20 plus. =:0 (shocked emoticon) Who here is holding out on us? Not I...said he..... Jas - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 23:00:46 -0700 From: "eman96" Subject: [AVALON] Lawn Accusations My take on the "the accusations of the ASSH cd being sold for commercial gain" by Jim Lawn thing, is that Jim LAwn heard about the CD, had no idea what was on it, and ASSUMED everything else, and took the pot shot. There is nothing on that CD, to my mind, to stall any Boxed Set. Either a cheap shot or a (typically?) unifirmed one. After all, isn't "Mr. Lawn" of a different class than we all Roxy Rubes? Class by association? Snootiness by association? I have been a RM/BF fan since 1975. I have purchased (usually 2 copies) of everything that I could get my hands on since. There are say, 300 people on the list? No way, no how, we could generate enough dents in sales of anything to stall a release of anything. Either an ill informed attempt by Mr. Lawn to make stupid exscuses for delays, or a pathetic one. I wonder why Bryan is touring so long and so hard? Enjoyment at his age of the touring grind? Perhaps. Lack of record contract for new material, rekindle career interest? Likely. Delay of box set? Record company doubts timing of interest/$ to be made. More compelling reasons that a few hundred "quote unquote" bootlegs. Yeah, I've bought a few bootlegs in my time, so sue me. I've also bought, again, 2, of almost everything the man has released. So insult me, then sue me. To heck with Jim Lawn. Let's insult the most loyal listeners and buyers there are. I can't believe how many people here saw and SPENT to see multiple concerts. We seek to be discrete. Lawn should do the same. (Obviously he just annouced on the "official site" where to come if you wanna find a good bootleg trading source.) hah! e - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 08:47:59 +0200 From: Frederic DECLERCQ Subject: RE: [AVALON] And another introduction . . . The Hitchhikers guide : what a good taste! and RM also whaw at 16 ... congratulations and welcome! Fred - -----Original Message----- From: Laura Shadbolt [SMTP:Laura.Shadbolt@tesco.net] Sent: lundi 24 avril 2000 21:44 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] And another introduction . . . Hello Avalonians, I have been lurking here for a few weeks and was encouraged to introduce myself by Alannah doing the same the other day. I am a 16-year-old girl from Bournemouth in the UK, so possibly the current youngest person here. I was introduced to this list by Thom Wallace who I have been exchanging emails with for about a year. I have *never* seen RM or BF live - at all - and am rather ashamed of this fact! In fact I've only ever been to two gigs. My ambition in life is to be a music journalist. Apart from RM (by the way I would describe myself as an Enojobsonite, but I like the later stuff too, esp. Manifesto), I like loads of different music, but mostly the New Romantics and the like - Suede and Pulp are some of my favourite 90s bands. Unfortunately I don't have a lot of dosh and rarely buy records, but my most recent acquisitions include Purple Rain by Prince, Grace by Jeff Buckley and Fuzzy Logic by the Super Furry Animals. I'm expanding on my record collection, you see. As well as being a Music Fan I am a bit of a sci-fi buff and especially revere the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, Red Dwarf etc, but it would be rude to start discussions along those lines here. Have I rambled too long? I think so. - -- Laura - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 08:55:24 +0200 From: Frederic DECLERCQ Subject: RE: [AVALON] thickly covered canvases You are right! I hope his new cd will have a complex soundscape that we will discover during weeks and weeks and weeks. Am I the only one to hear more sounds in his music after having listened to it for weeks? I think this is so particular to Bry. The sounds are so complex that depending on your mood, it's one or another type of sound that hits your hears and brain. Hopefully it won't take one more your for Bry to be ready with the new album. C'mon Bry, make of this year a chain reaction... Fred - -----Original Message----- From: Tim Kendrick [SMTP:tim63@earthlink.net] Sent: jeudi 27 avril 2000 2:26 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] thickly covered canvases - --- >I really am baffled when I hear people saying they'd produce Ferry's >albums for him because he needs to simplify, speed up, blah blah. Uhh, >you could do a better job, really? For better or worse Ferry's musical >identity (second half + of his career) is all wrapped up in those lush, >deceptively complex soundscapes... so enjoy them people. > >Noam > I think this is absolutely right. If you don't like those heavily wrought picture-soundscapes, then the Bryan Ferry of the last twenty years isn't for you. To think he would do better work if he took a different approach is like suggesting that Van Gogh would've painted better pictures if he hadn't laid the paint so thickly on the canvas. The rich dense paintwork - and soundwork - is the essence, the very life, of the art. Tim - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 08:57:13 +0200 From: Frederic DECLERCQ Subject: RE: [AVALON] *** Andy Mackay News ***. Rock Follies??? What is that? Did I miss something on the list or am I underculturated? - -----Original Message----- From: thom.wallace@net.ntl.com [SMTP:thom.wallace@net.ntl.com] Sent: jeudi 27 avril 2000 3:15 To: Avalon Mailinglist Subject: [AVALON] *** Andy Mackay News ***. Jim Lawn phoned last night and asked that the following information on Andy be forwarded to the list. Rock Follies will be released on cd at the end of May. There has been a change of plan and rather than both of the albums being merged on to one cd as originally scheduled there will be two separate cd's. Each cd will include at least one bonus track of the B-side or sides from the single which accompanied the original album. The two tracks that spring to mind are "War Brides" & "B-side". There is also the possibility of unreleased Rock Follies material being released later in the year with the series being repeated on tv. However this is still to be confirmed. At the moment Andy is finishing off his "Psalms" project and this should be released in the autumn. There are also plans to record an album with a female Japanese singer. When the correct spelling of her name has been confirmed this will be posted on the list. (Jim can't remember how to spell it). If there is any further information on these releases or new news it will be forwarded to be posted on the list. Cheers, Tom. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 08:58:37 +0200 From: Frederic DECLERCQ Subject: RE: [AVALON] *** Andy Mackay News ***. I was not awake sorry. And also I'm not so familiar with Andy's stuff. How would you qualify it comparing to Bry's? Fred - -----Original Message----- From: thom.wallace@net.ntl.com [SMTP:thom.wallace@net.ntl.com] Sent: jeudi 27 avril 2000 3:15 To: Avalon Mailinglist Subject: [AVALON] *** Andy Mackay News ***. Jim Lawn phoned last night and asked that the following information on Andy be forwarded to the list. Rock Follies will be released on cd at the end of May. There has been a change of plan and rather than both of the albums being merged on to one cd as originally scheduled there will be two separate cd's. Each cd will include at least one bonus track of the B-side or sides from the single which accompanied the original album. The two tracks that spring to mind are "War Brides" & "B-side". There is also the possibility of unreleased Rock Follies material being released later in the year with the series being repeated on tv. However this is still to be confirmed. At the moment Andy is finishing off his "Psalms" project and this should be released in the autumn. There are also plans to record an album with a female Japanese singer. When the correct spelling of her name has been confirmed this will be posted on the list. (Jim can't remember how to spell it). If there is any further information on these releases or new news it will be forwarded to be posted on the list. Cheers, Tom. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V5 #166 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest