From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #164 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Tuesday, April 25 2000 Volume 05 : Number 164 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] RE : official accusations ? ["Johnny Reece" ] RE: [AVALON] :-> ["SHEARER, Andrew" ] RE: [AVALON] The Avalon Gathering [Jocelyn Fiske ] RE: [AVALON] The Avalon Gathering ["SHEARER, Andrew" ["Simon Galloway" ] Re: [AVALON] A few things ["Simon Galloway" ] RE: [AVALON] A few things ["SHEARER, Andrew" ] [AVALON] Re: [Avalon] "Official" Allegations ["David Squires" ] Re: [AVALON] Re: [Avalon] "Official" Allegations [Colleen Matan ] [AVALON] the ever-tactful *mr. lawn* ["mark shanahan" Subject: [AVALON] RE : official accusations ? I was surprised to hear the phrase 'Jim bashing' used. All I have seen, in recent times, is a fair amount of people who seemed to have a genuine grievance, or two, concerning the 'official' information service. Everything from unanswered letters and calls to genuine fans being informed about tour dates once tickets had already been on sale for some time, mostly. Furthermore, it is not a good sign to talk about 'miscommunication' when every comment that Jim (or Mr. Lawn, as he is suddenly referred as) is being passed through a third party. Surely that is further evidence of miscommunication itself ? No, Richard (Swift), I am not having a go at you personally, but it does strike me as very strange that when 'Mr. Lawn' (sic) has an opinion about something, it always comes through you. Surely Jim can speak for himself - or perhaps he doesn't want to ? If communication channels are to be improved, surely Jim is the one who has to work on this himself. As for a Box Set allegedly being delayed because of someone supposedly profiteering, this was an incredibly cheap shot at a group of people who are genuine fans. If 'attempts to improve communication' are being made, this, frankly, was a disastrous start. Johnny Reece... - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 09:45:07 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] uk - 'stars in their eyes' I had it on in the background and noticed Bonnie Tyler and Jimmy Nail, oh how I wished they had done a duet. But I noticed no BF, and I can hear someone 4 doors down playing BF cd's, so I would have noticed. Maybe the Jimmy Nail impression was so bad that it was mistaken for BF, but he looked more like a fat Beatle! And he sang Crocodile Shooooooooooooes. Randall And Hopkirk (Deceased) which got my full attention was far better, and the soundtrack has a really weird new Pulp song on there. Well worth checking out. SimonG (who wanted to do Julie Andrews on Stars... but was beaten to it by a 16 year old girl. Damn!). >>> 04/25 8:59 am >>> i have it (albeit fourth hand) that there was a 'bryan ferry' on this programme on Saturday evening. identity and track unknown. can anyone confirm or otherwise ? - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 10:27:57 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] A few things Richard Swift wrote about the planned Avalon gathering for May: >it seems there's a big rush to do this perhaps prematurely. >The chances of arranging something memorable for the weekend of 13 May are >pretty slim since it seems likely no-one here (myself included) has the >resources to plan much in such a short space of time. The intention for this gathering is just for a chat, a drink and a bite to eat. If there's only a few people it will most certainly be a curry occasion! It is not intended to be a large scale gathering, and is in fact was initially posted for London based list members and those who want to make the effort to come. Basically it's chance to have a good chinwag without some silly Bryan Ferry concert cutting it all short. Secondly, the accusations of the ASSH cd being sold for commercial gain. I don't doubt it for one moment, but it is hardly a justified reason for the box set to be delayed - normally the knee-jerk reaction is to rush release such things, and would those three studio tracks really form part of a BF box set? Firstly they appear to be from the RM era who have already had the box treatment, and secondly, if Bryan is such a perfectionist then these recordings would never see the light of day. The recordings used for these collections have (mostly) come from outside the list - radio and TV shows are the perfect source. In the case of the Boston boot, this was taped by someone and then offered on a bootleg/trading newsgroup. He has not only traded it with the list member who managed to acquire it, but to others and this has definitely turned up for sale. Same with the BBC Golders Green broadcast which I have seen for sale on several websites, plus the BBC TV appearances over the New Year are available on a cd video at one website. If Jim Lawn expects there to be no bootlegs for commercial gain then he is wrong, it has been happening for over 30 years. Is this him creating a story to scare the cd tree activities on the list? I think so. My initial reaction was "this is bollocks" and there is certainly no reason for him to name Avalon in this statement. Maybe Jim should have stated who is selling the cd for commercial gain rather than wagging his finger at Avalon. Has it come up for sale on a website, a mailing list, a printed catalogue, Camden Market, record fairs, the offices of the BPI and IFPI? A source should be named. And for the record, I have never met Jim Lawn, I do not subscribe to his information service and I have no reason to "bash" him. If he is indeed in charge of the website, then after months of inadequate action I find it terribly disappointing that he has responded to the existence of Avalon in this manner. How about some positive action? SimonG Afterthought of the day: maybe this explains why we have been waiting so long for an official release for the Roxy BBC sessions? After all, all these bootlegs keep appearing and it's quite frankly shocking. And as for Heart Still Beating, well, wait till 8 years after the event for that one. Hs anyone invented the sarcastic emoticon yet? I have heard talk, or maybe it's been delayed. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:02:23 +0100 From: "SHEARER, Andrew" Subject: RE: [AVALON] :-> I too thought the "gathering" was just an informal get together and not a convention etc. Andrew FYI.... O:-) Angel 0*-) Angel winking d:-) Baseball :-) Basic :) Basic Little Kid :~-( Bawling : = Beaver :-)^< Big Boy (:-) Big Face :-)8< Big Girl :-X Big Wet Kiss (:-D Blabber Mouth ?-( Black Eye :-] Blockhead :-}X Bow Tie-Wearing %-6 Brain Dead :-(=) Bucktoothed :-E Bucktoothed Vampire :-F Bucktoothed Vampire with One Tooth Missing }|{ Butterfly }:-X Cat q:-) Catcher C=:-) Chef 8^ Chicken ;-( Chin up :-.) Cindy Crawford *<):o) Clown H-) Cross-Eyed :`-( Crying :-@! 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The fact that J O'B's coming down for it is more a measure of how well we all get on, and how much we have to say to each other. I get the feeling if he lived in London we'd meet up regularly. I'm going out on Saturday, maybe you'd like to ask Jim if he wants to come??? Jocelyn Richard Swift wrote: However, if it goes ahead I think it would be a good idea to extend an invitation to Jim Lawn. My personal preference would be for an 'official' gathering anyway but if people on this list would prefer to go down their own route anyway then I don't see what would be served in NOT inviting Jim. Regards, Richard - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:19:21 +0100 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] A few things Simon makes some good points: > The intention for this gathering is just for a chat, a drink and a bite to eat. Exactement ! In fact Reecey first suggested it after the RFH gig when a few of us spontaneously gathered just off The Strand for an apres-gig Italian meal. We don't need some sort of official recognition or permission (whatever *that* might be) for our activities as a group of individuals. Which brings me to my second point... > My initial reaction was "this is bollocks" and there is certainly no reason for him to name Avalon in this statement. Maybe Jim should have stated who is selling the cd for commercial gain rather than wagging his finger at Avalon. Of course it is inconceivable that the bootlegger is a member of the Official Bryan Ferry Website Mailing List or discussion group... > Hs anyone invented the sarcastic emoticon yet? I have heard talk, or maybe it's been delayed. Sorry, Simon, I'm still working on it. I do have a rough draft but it's been delayed by someone bootlegging it and offering it on another list (which I will not name because I might have to actually substantiate my claim). Regards, Ivor. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:27:10 +0100 From: "SHEARER, Andrew" Subject: RE: [AVALON] The Avalon Gathering Why is Jim getting special treatment here, we all want to come! A - -----Original Message----- From: Jocelyn Fiske [mailto:Jocelyn.Fiske@greyeu.com] Sent: 25 April 2000 11:12 To: 'avalon@smoe.org' Subject: RE: [AVALON] The Avalon Gathering C'mon Scouse lad, this is a few mates getting together to get drunk and chew the BF/RM fat. Why does everything have to be "official"? God, it's like living at home and having to tell your Mam what time you're coming home. The fact that J O'B's coming down for it is more a measure of how well we all get on, and how much we have to say to each other. I get the feeling if he lived in London we'd meet up regularly. I'm going out on Saturday, maybe you'd like to ask Jim if he wants to come??? Jocelyn Richard Swift wrote: However, if it goes ahead I think it would be a good idea to extend an invitation to Jim Lawn. My personal preference would be for an 'official' gathering anyway but if people on this list would prefer to go down their own route anyway then I don't see what would be served in NOT inviting Jim. Regards, Richard - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ___________________________________________________________________________ This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. 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If you have received this email in error please notify the Sema Group Helpdesk by telephone on +44 (0) 121 627 5600. ___________________________________________________________________________ - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:30:14 +0100 From: "SHEARER, Andrew" Subject: RE: [AVALON] The Avalon Gathering ooops Sorry meant John! - -----Original Message----- From: SHEARER, Andrew [mailto:Andrew.SHEARER@sema.co.uk] Sent: 25 April 2000 11:27 To: 'avalon@smoe.org' Subject: RE: [AVALON] The Avalon Gathering Why is Jim getting special treatment here, we all want to come! A - -----Original Message----- From: Jocelyn Fiske [mailto:Jocelyn.Fiske@greyeu.com] Sent: 25 April 2000 11:12 To: 'avalon@smoe.org' Subject: RE: [AVALON] The Avalon Gathering C'mon Scouse lad, this is a few mates getting together to get drunk and chew the BF/RM fat. Why does everything have to be "official"? God, it's like living at home and having to tell your Mam what time you're coming home. The fact that J O'B's coming down for it is more a measure of how well we all get on, and how much we have to say to each other. I get the feeling if he lived in London we'd meet up regularly. I'm going out on Saturday, maybe you'd like to ask Jim if he wants to come??? Jocelyn Richard Swift wrote: However, if it goes ahead I think it would be a good idea to extend an invitation to Jim Lawn. My personal preference would be for an 'official' gathering anyway but if people on this list would prefer to go down their own route anyway then I don't see what would be served in NOT inviting Jim. Regards, Richard - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ___________________________________________________________________________ This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Sema Group. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. 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If you have received this email in error please notify the Sema Group Helpdesk by telephone on +44 (0) 121 627 5600. ___________________________________________________________________________ - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:26:10 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: RE: [AVALON] :-> >>> "SHEARER, Andrew" 04/25 11:02 am >>> I too thought the "gathering" was just an informal get together and not a convention etc. Exactly, I think Mr. Swift is getting unecessarily shirty about the whole thing. And thanks for the :-> Sarcastic - that's bloody fantastic. I shall use it often! - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:28:40 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] A few things >>> "Ivor Canning" 04/25 11:19 am >>> I wrote: > Has anyone invented the sarcastic emoticon yet? I have heard talk, or maybe >it's been delayed. Ivor wrote: >Sorry, Simon, I'm still working on it. I do have a rough draft but it's >been delayed by someone bootlegging it and offering it on another list >(which I will not name because I might have to actually substantiate my >claim). No, I have just been sent it :-> Sarcastic Use it often and freely! :-> Sarcastic :-> Sarcastic :-> Sarcastic :-> Sarcastic :-> Sarcastic :-> Sarcastic :-> Sarcastic - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:41:31 +0100 From: "SHEARER, Andrew" Subject: RE: [AVALON] A few things Bloody hell am I the source? :-> - -----Original Message----- From: Simon Galloway [mailto:SIMONG@jazzfm.com] Sent: 25 April 2000 11:29 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] A few things >>> "Ivor Canning" 04/25 11:19 am >>> I wrote: > Has anyone invented the sarcastic emoticon yet? I have heard talk, or maybe >it's been delayed. Ivor wrote: >Sorry, Simon, I'm still working on it. I do have a rough draft but it's >been delayed by someone bootlegging it and offering it on another list >(which I will not name because I might have to actually substantiate my >claim). No, I have just been sent it :-> Sarcastic Use it often and freely! :-> Sarcastic :-> Sarcastic :-> Sarcastic :-> Sarcastic :-> Sarcastic :-> Sarcastic :-> Sarcastic - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ___________________________________________________________________________ This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Sema Group. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the Sema Group Helpdesk by telephone on +44 (0) 121 627 5600. ___________________________________________________________________________ - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:39:33 +0100 From: "David Squires" Subject: [AVALON] Re: [Avalon] "Official" Allegations I think Mr Lawn has but one way to repair his credibility and that is to name the person selling CD tree material. If he doesn't do this, then we have no alternative than to see his bulletin board posting as a smear. He's just a jealous guy... Might we use the bulletin board to put this point? David - -- David Squires Wimbotsham Norfolk UK - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:41:18 +0100 From: Jocelyn Fiske Subject: RE: [AVALON] daily mail interview I was sent this article by my Mam (she's well trained), I'll try and get round to having it scanned and sent to Kicki. It doesn't really say anything you probably haven't read a thousand times over. Some good photos though. Jocelyn - -----Original Message----- From: mark shanahan [mailto:m_shanahan@hotmail.com] Sent: 20 April 2000 20:05 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] daily mail interview has anyone else seen this on ebay? and, btw, what would the 'daily mail weekend' be? is it a paper, a magazine - is this for real? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310187008 peaces/ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 06:55:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: [AVALON] to intentionally put a fine point on it On Tue, 25 Apr 2000, Simon Galloway wrote: [...] > Secondly, the accusations of the ASSH cd being sold for commercial > gain. I don't doubt it for one moment, but it is hardly a justified It's "Strictly Confidential," no, which contains the three unreleased tracks? [...] > definitely turned up for sale. Same with the BBC Golders Green > broadcast which I have seen for sale on several websites, plus the BBC > TV appearances over the New Year are available on a cd video at one > website. > > If Jim Lawn expects there to be no bootlegs for commercial gain then > he is wrong, it has been happening for over 30 years. Is this him > creating a story to scare the cd tree activities on the list? I think > so. I think we are drifting away from the discrete point: Mr. Lawn is objecting to the appearance of the 3 unreleased tracks on a for-profit item. As I'd noted in an earlier discussion on this list about copyright, the artist retains the right to first use and how unpublished/unreleased material is presented to the public, with special emphasis on the commercial context. Hence Mr. Lawn's concerns (which, by the way, are in and of themselves valid and sensible). And if Mr. Ferry's camp wanted CD tree activities to cease altogether, no doubt Avalon would have received a more direct warning from one of his solicitors, and not some dark mutterings on a bulletin board. > My initial reaction was "this is bollocks" and there is certainly no > reason for him to name Avalon in this statement. Maybe Jim should have > stated who is selling the cd for commercial gain rather than wagging > his finger at Avalon. Has it come up for sale on a website, a mailing > list, a printed catalogue, Camden Market, record fairs, the offices of > the BPI and IFPI? A source should be named. Actually, there is indeed a reason for him to "name Avalon in this statement": the source of this CD was the Avalon mailing list. He's not making that part up. Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 06:58:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE : official accusations ? On Tue, 25 Apr 2000, Johnny Reece wrote: [...] > when every comment that Jim (or Mr. Lawn, as he is suddenly referred as) is I have been guilty of this. I assume Mr. Lawn is, like Mr. Ferry, older than I, and as I have neither never been introduced to him nor invited to use his first name nor had any interactions with him of any sort, I fall back on such conventions. I suppose it is my inadequate working class manners failing me once again. Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:58:25 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] The Gathering (UPDATE) We have a date of Saturday 13 May, and the following people are confirmed: Simon Galloway Johnny Reece Martin Stockman Chris Turner Steve Batie Andrew Shearer Doll819@aol.com (Debs in the USA) Jocelyn Fiske Terry Lane Ivor Canning Robert Fedder John O'Brien Robert Whiteford At this stage it looks likely to be a restaurant and the take-over of a pub. Please add your name to this list if you definitely want to come. SimonG (cracking that whip) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 07:01:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: [Avalon] "Official" Allegations On Tue, 25 Apr 2000, David Squires wrote: > I think Mr Lawn has but one way to repair his credibility and that is to > name the person selling CD tree material. If he doesn't do this, then > we have no alternative than to see his bulletin board posting as a > smear. He's just a jealous guy... > > Might we use the bulletin board to put this point? Might we take the high road to put this point, and not carry this over to that bulletin board? It is clear that Mr. Lawn is aware of the conversation here. Perhaps we might give him the chance to respond before disrupting another online gathering place. Besides, there IS an excellent probability that the person in question is indeed subscribed to this list. Then what? Hmmm? Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 12:25:04 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] to intentionally put a fine point on it >>> Colleen Matan 04/25 11:55 am >>> >It's "Strictly Confidential," no, which contains the three unreleased tracks? AKA ASSH2, one and the same. >I think we are drifting away from the discrete point: But it's all part of the same issue. >Actually, there is indeed a reason for him to "name Avalon in this >statement": the source of this CD was the Avalon mailing list. He's not >making that part up. No he's not, but here are his words: "I am not sure of the date for the boxed set as a tape of unreleased studio material has surfaced within the 'Avalon' mailing list. Unfortunately this was passed to someone who has bootlegged the material for commercial gain. Whilst I believe that the people responsible for this are genuinley fans of Bryans, it should be noted that their criticism of the INFORMATION SERVICE is slightly at odds with one of their members exploiting this tape commercially." He had no reason to name Avalon in his message, he could have quite easily said "an unofficial internet based Bryan Ferry mailing list". Why does he blame it for delaying the box set? As I've pointed out these are more likely to be Roxy-era recordings, not BF solo and therefore shouldn't qualify for the box set. And why does he mention the criticism aswell? I think he has another agenda on this, exactly what I don't know, but he certainly knows how to dig himself in to a hole. Only he can clarify exactly what he's going on about, and he should, directly to the mailing list itself. He obviously knows where this is/was being sold, and should say so, and if he knows where it originated (i.e. got out of listmember hands) then he should also say. Thruth and clarification. That's it. I shall say no more. SimonG - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 07:51:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] to intentionally put a fine point on it On Tue, 25 Apr 2000, Simon Galloway wrote: [...] > >I think we are drifting away from the discrete point: > > But it's all part of the same issue. Actually, it's not. The only public clucking we have ever heard from the official camp with respect to CD trees has been the commercial exploitation of 3 unreleased tracks. The non-commericial distribution of such tracks was tolerated. This is an important distinction and not merely nit picking and is no doubt related to the issue of precisely how unpublished/unreleased material is distributed. However, I realize I am unable to stop other people from spinning this small point into a greater conspiracy. > He had no reason to name Avalon in his message, he could have quite > easily said "an unofficial internet based Bryan Ferry mailing list". Yeah, or he could have said "a very annoying list of numbnuts." Would that make it any less Avalon? Or is the name of this list like the name of G-d: something which may not be uttered by sinners? Sheesh. The name of the list is "Avalon" and the source of the tracks was the unofficial internet based Byran Ferry mailing list of annoying numbnuts. Called "Avalon." It's neither slander, libel, nor smearing in this case. It's the simple truth. > Why does he blame it for delaying the box set? As I've pointed out I already asked this very question last night. Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 07:22:34 -0500 (CDT) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty) Subject: [AVALON] Re.listmembers If someone is bootlegging material from this group called "Avalon", (he or she) is not a true Bryan Ferry -Roxy fan. And has exploited the group under false pretense to gain info. They need to come forward,or are (he ,she ) no longer with us? Marlana....... ( Always , has to be a few bad apples to spoil the barrel. ) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 07:29:08 -0500 From: Jim Rosencutter Subject: [AVALON] Who Needs the BF Box? I cannot believe the three demo tracks on ASSH2 were even being considered for official commercial release. If the upcoming box set is actually offering these or the assorted TV and radio appearances that have appeared on the CD trees, I will be happy not to buy it. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 08:45:38 -0400 From: "Ujvary, Richard A." Subject: RE: [AVALON] to intentionally put a fine point on it You know while bootlegging is a constant problem it also,no doubt, will never go away in the music biz. If this type of stuff keeps going on here,I wouldn't be surprised to eventually see these kinds of sites to be posted with a note warning about bootlegging activity and its illegality in BIG FLASHING LETTERS. If Mr Lawn is entrusted to protect Mr Ferry's rights then he's doing his job, why should anybody get mad at him? On the other hand, I think he could find better ways of expressing his concerns with nefarious Avalonian activity. No use in riling everybody up for the actions of most probably one individual who loves to freak and feast on Roxy Music stuff. Rich - -----Original Message----- From: Colleen Matan [mailto:matanc@gusun.georgetown.edu] Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 6:55 AM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] to intentionally put a fine point on it I think we are drifting away from the discrete point: Mr. Lawn is objecting to the appearance of the 3 unreleased tracks on a for-profit item. As I'd noted in an earlier discussion on this list about copyright, the artist retains the right to first use and how unpublished/unreleased material is presented to the public, with special emphasis on the commercial context. Hence Mr. Lawn's concerns (which, by the way, are in and of themselves valid and sensible). And if Mr. Ferry's camp wanted CD tree activities to cease altogether, no doubt Avalon would have received a more direct warning from one of his solicitors, and not some dark mutterings on a bulletin board. Actually, there is indeed a reason for him to "name Avalon in this statement": the source of this CD was the Avalon mailing list. He's not making that part up. Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 05:51:20 PDT From: "mark shanahan" Subject: RE: [AVALON] daily mail interview >From: Jocelyn Fiske >I was sent this article by my Mam (she's well trained), I'll try and get >round to having it scanned and sent to Kicki. >It doesn't really say anything you probably haven't read a thousand times >over. Some good photos though. why, *thank you* my dear jocelyn ... appreciatively yours, peaces/ms ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 08:57:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re.listmembers On Tue, 25 Apr 2000, Mary Korfanty wrote: > If someone is bootlegging material from this group called "Avalon", (he > or she) is not a true Bryan Ferry -Roxy fan. And has exploited the group > under false pretense to gain info. They need to come forward,or are (he > ,she ) no longer with us? Marlana....... ( Always , has to be a few > bad apples to spoil the barrel. ) Oh, come on, they should be burned at the stake as a heretic, no? Or at least tarred and feathered as a turncoat? Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 06:23:14 PDT From: "mark shanahan" Subject: [AVALON] the ever-tactful *mr. lawn* i had never thought much about mr. lawn *either way*, but am commenting on his (and other's) comments because what he's done **bugs** me. well, first & foremost, richard - do we know absolutely that it is, in fact, jim lawn who made these comments? did he call you personally, or was this exclusively a post that could have been made by anyone? at any rate, i think that it's often not what someone does so much as the way it's done. the way he made his allegations was a *weasely* (if i may ...) one ... 'indirect b.s.' indicative of someone who's playing *games*. frankly - and regardless of his evidence (or lack thereof), he ought to *aplogize* to this list AND back up his claim. both DIRECTLY and not through a messenger, acquaintance or friend. and name the individual in question. i mean, who does he think he is!? the imperial wizard of ferrydom!? not only is what he's done just *not the way to go*, but he's going out of his way to piss off a rather *loyal* fan base and show us also how UNINTELLIGENT he is to boot. so, therefore, *mr. lawn* will forever be known to me as "jimbo yawn", a person who i have no desire to ever meet (in order to have the right to) to accuse & pillory him until he's ready to apologize. lastly, this *supposed* bootlegging for profit (not that i doubt it ...) is going to cause the delay of the bryan ferry SOLO boxed set, right!? gee, it's like it's rocket science intelligence heaped upon itself - to the nth degree too! wow, how impressive. my little mind is on overload ... :^O i don't think we at avalon (oily nimrods or not) need to have our hands smacked by jim lawn's ruler. he really, really needs to grab a clue (or two). just come forward and name the person who 'dunnit'. these are my deep and highly verbose thoughts for today. peaces/ms ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V5 #164 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest