From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #155 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Tuesday, April 18 2000 Volume 05 : Number 155 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] 3 and 9 et al[avalon-digest V5 #149] ["Martin Stockman" ] [AVALON] Bryan tonight ["Simon Galloway" ] [AVALON] the faded mondegreens ["mark shanahan" ] Re: [AVALON] Re: Lyrics and the faded genius ["Gene" ] Re: [AVALON] Sonically Dense Sacharine New Age [Noam Bronstein ] [AVALON] Slave To Love ["Tracy Connell" ] Re: [AVALON] windy city update [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] doll by doll ["Theresa Fagan" ] [AVALON] Sting Comments ["Rod LeCloux" ] Re: [AVALON] the jerry hall timeline from hell [AMeyersLD@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] doll by doll [JFROXY@aol.com] [AVALON] Re: Jazz Festivals ["Richard Swift" ] RE: [AVALON] Bryan tonight [Frederic DECLERCQ ] RE: [AVALON] Re: Jazz Festivals [Frederic DECLERCQ ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 09:16:47 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] 3 and 9 et al[avalon-digest V5 #149] Great post David. - ---------- >From: "David Squires" >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [AVALON] 3 and 9 et al[avalon-digest V5 #149] >Date: Sat, Apr 15, 2000, 3:39 pm > > Interesting recent discussions on this song (and others). Needless to > say a personal favourite. One of the lines I always heard as: > > With the making out of payment / Three and nine make twelve > > which makes more sense to me in (what I perceive to be through my > own flawed ear canals) the context of the songs than the printed > lyrics. This and the following: > > 6 and two threes now, more I cannot say > > always led me to believe that there's a strong pre-decimal currency sub- > text going on. I also feel that there's a nostalgia in there and some > resentment of change: > > I'm not so special / You're a misfit too > Why must _they_ interfere in / Everything we do > > In 1974 there was a local government act here, which redefined old > county boundaries and created metropolitan authorities. Bits of County > Durham became Tyne & Wear IIRC. And there was Cleveland too. An > interference with local identity imposed from Whitehall. Mere > coincidence? I think not! > > But has now already been said, the great thing about (early) Ferry is > that the lyrics work on so many levels. There are a whole heap of > cultural references in there that, if you follow them up, can take you a > long way away from where you started. This is something less > prevalent in Ferry's more recent lyrics (at least IMO). > > As for Casanova, I feel sure that it's (at least partly) about Eno (I'm > sure I read somewhere that the "second hand in glove with second > rate" line was a reference to Eno working with Cale and Nico, so we > can take it that Bryan is a fan of Lou? - urghh!). > > But I had a thought a while back, based on my complete lack of > Spanish. Casa - castle - nova - new = Newcastle? > > A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it may be better than no > knowledge at all? Discuss!! > > David > -- > David Squires > Wimbotsham > Norfolk > UK > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New > Jersey." > > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 09:46:50 +0100 From: "Johnny Reece" Subject: [AVALON] RE: Ferry on Belgian TV Hi Fred... Could you tell me what the name of the Belgian Channel is ? I have a remote satellite dish and will try to find it tonight... Thanks... Reecey... - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:43:10 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] ...and the evergreen genius - ---------- >From: Russell Schaffer > We can debate the merits and impressive production values of Avalon > endlessly, but who wants to? The point is, it's not a challenging > album, its not a thought provoking album. But of course all music > shouldn't be these things. But don't blame me for being a little > disappointed when the artist behind some of the most innovative, > intelligent, and moving pop resorts to mellow, feel-good mood music that > seems ripe material for the Muzak corporation. Dear Russell I think its time you started applying "In my humble opinion" to your posts. Probably three quarters of the list disagree with your tired dogma. The majority of us find innovation and wonder in albums such as "Boys and Girls" and "Mamouna", perhaps as much as For Your Pleasure. As for your dismissal of Avalon I suggest you revisit it. I made the mistake of bracketing this album with the Flesh and Blood era when it came out but, like so much of his work, repeat plays reveal extraordinary textures and soundscapes. As for your problem with the discussion group's name well I think you should try living in our world for a while. The bridging of Roxy and solo work, the sense of a mystical place, it all makes sense to me. And also conjugates wittily into our own mythical world, Avalonia, peopled by Avalonions. The Bob Medlians wouldn't have the same ring... Finally, Gareth. I can imagine you and Bryan greatly enjoying one another's company. Why not ? A shared love of celtic landscapes, sport, the crack and, of course, the Maestro's evergreen genius. Martino - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 07:17:40 -0500 (CDT) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty) Subject: [AVALON] Re: Music Went into one of the Best Buy stores yesterday. Checking to see if by chance " Valentine" would be in . It wasn't , but they did have a lot of Roxy remasters, sure glad I have the originals (these new ones look so flimsy). Only had one of Ferry's which was " More Than This" , best of Ferry+Roxy Music (which I have). checked out Brian Eno Section, they had lots of his . If anyone needs to get any they don't have , they now have the remastered ones . I saw Flesh&Blood , Manifesto, Country Life, & Siren all saying Remaster Edition. Better to have these than none at all. Marlana...................................................... - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 08:26:59 -0400 From: "Tim Kendrick" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Lyrics and the faded genius Pardon?? AVALON a mellow, feel-good album?? Yeah, and doesn't Sinatra's ONLY THE LONELY make you wanna throw your hat in the air?? Tim PS I must stop posting statements that require more than one exclamation or question mark!! - -----Original Message----- From: Russell Schaffer To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Monday, April 17, 2000 1:46 AM Subject: [AVALON] Re: Lyrics and the faded genius behind some of the most innovative, >intelligent, and moving pop resorts to mellow, feel-good mood music that >seems ripe material for the Muzak corporation. > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > >Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New >Jersey." > > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 08:36:34 -0400 From: "Tim Kendrick" Subject: Re: [AVALON] ...and the evergreen genius And what's wrong with FLESH AND BLOOD !?? I like FLESH AND BLOOD!! I happen to think the 'pop hits ' are terrific, and the darker songs do indeed usher in the era of AVALON!! And I do wish people would not ever ever ever attach the phrase ' my humble opinion' to ANYTHING!!!? We can all take it for granted than an opinion expressed is a personal opinion!! We're not that dumb!! And IMHO is so bloody Urian Heepish!!?! And though I love Bryan's work as much as anyone on this list, ( I DO, I DO!!) he is not a GENIUS!! He is remarkably gifted, yes indeed, but he ain't Proust and Shakespeare, and he ain't a genius!! What I say!! Glenda Slagg - -----Original Message----- From: Martin Stockman To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Monday, April 17, 2000 6:42 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] ...and the evergreen genius > >I think its time you started applying "In my humble opinion" to your posts. >Probably three quarters of the list disagree with your tired dogma. The >majority of us find innovation and wonder in albums such as "Boys and Girls" >and "Mamouna", perhaps as much as For Your Pleasure. As for your dismissal >of Avalon I suggest you revisit it. I made the mistake of bracketing this >album with the Flesh and Blood era when it came out but, like so much of his >work, repeat plays reveal extraordinary textures and soundscapes. > > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 08:47:32 -0400 From: "Ujvary, Richard A." Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: Lyrics and the faded genius You know the kicker with Avalon is that it was a "best-seller" in the annals of popdom. It apparently made a connection with "mass" taste as opposed to some of the esoteric and obscure stuff Roxy and Ferry have done that only aficionados could love. I can certainly understand if you don't like Avalon based on its purely musical merits but... maybe we have this aversion to mass culture in that if everybody likes it how can it be any good? These motifs and all are right up Ferry's line. Go on check out that opening riff... can millions of people be that wrong, eh?!! Rich - -----Original Message----- From: Russell Schaffer [mailto:eno@cats.ucsc.edu] Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 1:44 AM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Re: Lyrics and the faded genius I least I called him a genius! Most people certainly wouldn't go that far (mostly out of ignorance). If anyone noticed a somewhat bitter tone to my postings, I'll try to summarize as briefly as possible. Roxy Music debuted as a perfectly formed manifestation of Pop Art in thecontext of popular music. This was Richard Hamilton/Warhol-esque material covertly storming the charts with Virginia Plain. Ferry gives a layered, referential, ironic tinge to the music while at the same time (and here's the important part that separates Roxy from other Glammers) offering something passionate, heartfelt, vulnerable... Ferry heigthens the performative elements of his music to near caricature but stops short. For me, he found the perfect balance on the first albums, far surpassing Bolan, Bowie and the like in sheer emoptional impact and dramatic resonance. Bowie and Bolan's music may have been knowing and smart in its cheap rock n' roll guises, but they simply don't produce the depth and intensity of say, a Ladytron or a Dreamhome. The best Pop Art transcends its kitsch appeal. Warhol was able to do it sometimes, Lichtenstein never. Roxy Music did it for two albums And, with the inertia of success, Pop Art gradually becomes Pop. By the time Ferry and gang resurfaces on Manifesto, they're nothing more than another rock band. Maybe a good band, maybe even a great one. But the vision was gone. Did Ferry run out of ideas, or lose interest in art? I'm sure economics were involved, Bride Stripped Bare was a minor debacle, he ran back to Roxy's arms, with the pressure heavily felt to produce something sucessful. Hence the image makeover,the young hip bassist, and the disco beats. We can debate the merits and impressive production values of Avalon endlessly, but who wants to? The point is, it's not a challenging album, its not a thought provoking album. But of course all music shouldn't be these things. But don't blame me for being a little disappointed when the artist behind some of the most innovative, intelligent, and moving pop resorts to mellow, feel-good mood music that seems ripe material for the Muzak corporation. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 08:59:14 -0400 From: Heather James Subject: [AVALON] ... the twinkle of his ... genius No, say it ain't so! We Avalonians do NOT have MASS MARKET tastes - NO! Please - its so hard waiting for more elitist low-volume material from Bryan, don't make me buy his duet with twiggy or "The Vile Cher" (TM). -= )-(eather =- >------------------< hjames@thewebgal.com Heather's Website: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/ My Roxy Music site: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ >-----------------------------------------------------< Ujvary, Richard A. wrote: > > You know the kicker with Avalon is that it was a "best-seller" in the annals > of popdom. > It apparently made a connection with "mass" taste as opposed to some of the > esoteric and > obscure stuff Roxy and Ferry have done that only aficionados could love. I > can certainly understand > if you don't like Avalon based on its purely musical merits but... maybe we > have this aversion to mass culture in that if everybody likes it how can it > be any good? These motifs and all are right up Ferry's line. Go on check > out that opening riff... can millions of people be that wrong, eh?!! > Rich > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New > Jersey." - -- - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 10:03:11 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Lyrics and the faded genius Russell wrote: I agree with your analysis of BF/RM up to the timeline of Manifesto's debut. But I find the albums Manifesto through Mamouna are not "mellow, feel-good mood music". Do you not hear the haunting layers of music supporting lyrics of somber desperation and intense yearning? While some list members think BF's work during the 80's and early 90's is too multi-trac, layered, I've always been impressed by the absence of gratuitous noise that seems to be so ala mode. Disagree, you may. I submit, Mr. Ferry's music is cutting edge as much as it was in the early days of Roxy Music. Only different, it is sublime, subtle - not in your face and certainly not elevator music. Some may believe that Ferry's work is too refined, I find it near artistic perfection, and that, ironically, is precisely one of the reasons why I spend any of my time listening to Bryan Ferry's work. He does quite a fine line balance. Best wishes, KBP - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 16:42:20 +0200 From: "Andy Mol" Subject: RE: [AVALON] RE: Ferry on Belgian TV Hay Reecey, The name of the channel is RTBF 2. The show will be broadcasted from 21.15 till 22.35 h. Unfortunately I cannot receive RTBF 2 at home. Our cable TV company only offers RTBF 1, so I think I'll visit some friends in Belgium tonight. Maybe they can record the show on video. Andy - -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]namens Johnny Reece Verzonden: maandag 17 april 2000 10:47 Aan: avalon@smoe.org Onderwerp: [AVALON] RE: Ferry on Belgian TV Hi Fred... Could you tell me what the name of the Belgian Channel is ? I have a remote satellite dish and will try to find it tonight... Thanks... Reecey... - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 16:07:33 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] Bryan tonight This is what is says on the RTBF website http://www.rtbf.be/television/index.html >21.15 >BON POUR LE SON : BRYAN FERRY >Enregistré au Cirque Royal le 09 février 2000, Bryan Ferry présente son >album "As time goes by" reprises de standards des années 30 et >quelques succès de l'époque Roxy Music. >(Voir commentaires) >Réalisation : Serge Bergli. What does that mean then? Well a quick translation at babelfish.com reveals: >GOOD FOR THE SOUND: BRYAN FERRY >Recorded to the Royal Circus on February 09 2000, Bryan Ferry presents its album >"Have time goes by " taken again standards of the Thirties and some successes of the >time Roxy Music. (see comments) Realization: Serge Bergli. I think you can get the idea. Oh how I wish I was there with my VCR! SimonG - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:26:16 PDT From: "mark shanahan" Subject: [AVALON] the faded mondegreens from jim rosencutter: >“Dead Finks is not about Bryan Ferry. After all the music was recorded and >the words written, Chris Thomas (my producer and Roxy’s as well) said, >‘you’ll get me shot for that track. It’s obviously about Bryan.’ So I >listened back to it and it obviously was. It was certainly something I >hadn’t realised. [snip] Brian Eno, 1973 OK, *right* mr. intellectual ... 'didn't realize' -- try again. that's like a post from mary k.! maybe these two (ferry & eno) should have just taken it 'out back' and been done with it. but, then - maybe we wouldn't have 'casanova' - would we? thanks, jim. from gareth: [snip]>He still seems to regard himself as the most important man in >music at times. But in some ways that's a good thing because he's retained >an eternal pride in both himself and his work. oh, i think you're wrong, gareth. ferry seems to just recognize himself as an artist, i think. but, i would hope that the achievement would be enough, nevermind the damn pride. and i think deborah ross needs one swift kick in the ass, in my humblest of humble uriah heep-like opinions ... and it would be worth the airfare just to come over there and give it to her! from russel schafer: >Roxy Music debuted as a perfectly formed manifestation of Pop Art in >the context of popular music. This was Richard Hamilton/Warhol-esque >material [snip] Ferry gives a layered, referential, ironic tinge to the >music while at the same time (and here's the important part that separates >Roxy from other Glammers)offering something passionate, heartfelt, >vulnerable... i agree with that, but i don't feel that the music downward-spiraled into unchallenging MUZAK fodder. pop music - of course, but what's wrong with that? OK, 'flesh & blood' was not their strongest suite, but even that album had its strong moments. did you really think the music was going to stay the same as the first two albums? and - as far as 'manifesto' is concerned, there was still a lot going on there (but, hey - it's not my favorite either ...). and was 'bride' that bad!? this was the 'bel air' period - in L.A., no? anyway - i second your trying another listen of 'avalon' again - there are layers to peel away at there as well. from martin stockman: >A shared love of celtic landscapes, sport, the crack and, of course, the >Maestro's evergreen genius. forgive me, martin, but what's "the crack" [for those of us in the last 'superpower' country on earth (that's supposed to be somewhat ironic, btw)]? and lastly, from sebastian fasthuber: "faded genius". pah! i agree. hey, if he needs a lyric sheet, he needs a lyric sheet, right? what the heck! peaces/ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:10:35 -0400 From: "Gene" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Lyrics and the faded genius - -----Original Message----- From: KB Porter To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Monday, April 17, 2000 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Lyrics and the faded genius >I agree with your analysis of BF/RM up to the timeline of Manifesto's >debut. But I find the albums Manifesto through Mamouna are not "mellow, >feel-good mood music". Do you not hear the haunting layers of music >supporting lyrics of somber desperation and intense yearning? While >some list members think BF's work during the 80's and early 90's is too >multi-trac, layered, I've always been impressed by the absence of >gratuitous noise that seems to be so ala mode. >Disagree, you may. I >submit, Mr. Ferry's music is cutting edge as much as it was in the early >days of Roxy Music. Only different, it is sublime, subtle - not in your >face and certainly not elevator music. Some may believe that Ferry's >work is too refined, I find it near artistic perfection, and that, >ironically, is precisely one of the reasons why I spend any of my time >listening to Bryan Ferry's work. He does quite a fine line balance. > My problem with multi-trac/layering is it sounds exactly like *that*. IMO, 64 track recorders and the like are the most wasteful piece of equipment in the studio. It seems that once around such equipment, most bands have no discipline as to where to draw the line and the tendency is to push it as far as they can until what they end up with is a wall of "gratuitous noise" for the sake of just being able to do it. It creates the musical equivalent of " fruitcake" and just like "fruitcake" it`s fake and trite and filled with a lot of unidentifiable bits and chunks of bland fodder. "Is that a sax I hear back there, or is it green pineapple?" Who knows...who cares? I`d love to produce Ferry`s next album! Gene - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:15:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Noam Bronstein Subject: Re: [AVALON] Sonically Dense Sacharine New Age AVALON: A Very Annoying List Of Numbnuts ? ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:26:31 PDT From: "mark shanahan" Subject: [AVALON] A*V*A*L*O*N >From: Noam Bronstein >AVALON: A Very Annoying List Of Numbnuts ? er, how about antiquated viscious allknowing loose oily nimrods? peaces/ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 19:47:27 GMT From: "Tracy Connell" Subject: [AVALON] Slave To Love I bought a copy of the Swedish release 'Slave To Love' in a HMV record store in the UK! They only had one copy of it on the shelf, but if anyone here wants a copy I suggest you try HMV if you'd rather not order it through the Internet. It was £19.99 though. I thought it was a little pricey, but that I'd better get it while it was there. The notes in the booklet are in Swedish, though. Could any of our Swedish members who have a copy translate it for us? You can probably guess by now that I'm in HMV quite a lot! Tracy. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 17:31:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] windy city update On Fri, 14 Apr 2000, Karen Roth wrote: [...] > My apologies to list members who have been irritated by all this Chicago > talk of late. Don't worry Tom, Jerry Hall is not invited. Everyone else is. > One of the important elements of being on this list to me is the chance of > meeting you fine people and the fact that we share a common interest. > That common interest is very dear to each of us in one way or another. > Though some of us are stranger than the others, none of us will ever be > strangers to each other, even if we never meet face to face. It's all actually very true, and I agree that the idea of community is very important to mailing lists and that in-person gatherings help cement this community. However, to be honest it IS annoying to read scads of messages which are in essence personal messages posted to the list about people who meeting up at various concerts, list gatherings, etc., especially when they usually amount to merely one name added to a very very long list (and it's not same thing as complaining about topics which contain actual discussion and might bore folks--that is a different story). I can't even imagine what it is like for the digest folks to have to dig through pages and pages of that stuff. May I suggest that a simple way to cut down on this annoyance factor is in the future to have someone post the location or call for attendees and then ask that everyone email him/her privately, with perhaps a weekly update on who is attending (as opposed to ten virtually identical "me, too" lists)? Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 17:33:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Sonically Dense Sacharine New Age Disco Pop Make out music by a fallen genius and his weary compatriots On Fri, 14 Apr 2000, Russell Schaffer wrote: > Does anyone find it objectionable that this mailing list is called > Avalon? Uh, I guess you might be new in town; nevertheless I must ask: have you ever actually read this list? If so, it makes perfect sense (if indeed that is your own subject line). Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:34:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Lyrics and the faded genius On Sun, 16 Apr 2000, Russell Schaffer wrote: First, Russell, welcome to the list. Please be advised that you do not need to affix a disclaimer of any sort to your posts. Why should you be forced to consider your opinions "humble" when no one else is forced to do the same? Second, thank you for the passion and interest you have brought to various topics, and especially for voicing opinions which only, by some estimations, 25% of the list may hold. Certainly it's at least a welcome change from the usual imitative sycophantic blather which holds sway at times on Avalon, and just as--if not more--important. All styles served here, after all. I may or may not agree with what you say, but at least I'm compelled to at least open the message and read it. > shouldn't be these things. But don't blame me for being a little > disappointed when the artist behind some of the most innovative, > intelligent, and moving pop resorts to mellow, feel-good mood music that > seems ripe material for the Muzak corporation. There is a simple explanation to this: all musical artists eventually turn into Sting, even those whose careers predate his (Tom Jones perhaps the sole exception). On a more serious note, no doubt the _Manifesto_ metamorphosis of Roxy Music from a group of musicians who challenged Ferry to a group of yes men had an effect on the sound of the music. Entrophy, inertia, and the path of least resistance. Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 19:59:35 EDT From: Doll819@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Music Does anyone know if BF will be playing in the UK between May 12-18? Thanks! - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 20:55:24 -0400 From: Noam Bronstein Subject: Re: [AVALON] the usual imitative sycophantic blather OK, I recant my earlier post - instead I suggest we rename the list "AVALLEEN", in honor of the incomparable Ms. Matan. - -Noam - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 17:48:43 -0700 From: Frank Smith Subject: [AVALON] doll by doll Anyone in the UK ever heard of a band called Doll By Doll? They had at least 1 album in the late 70's. The lead was a guy named Jackie something............ - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:49:50 -0400 From: "Theresa Fagan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] doll by doll try this: http://www-2.roughguides.com/rock/entries/entries-d/DOLL_BY_DOLL.html Scotland's Jackie Leven was the lead singer. - --TriTri - -----Original Message----- From: Frank Smith To: 'avalon@smoe.org' |Anyone in the UK ever heard of a band called Doll By Doll? They had at |least 1 album in the late 70's. The lead was a guy named Jackie |something............ - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:40:22 -0500 From: "Rod LeCloux" Subject: [AVALON] Sting Comments Hi fellow Avalonians, Over the last year I've noticed quite few snide remarks about Sting on this list. I'm just curious if these remarks are mainly from UK members or eveyone in general. - -Did Sting say something bad about Bryan Ferry/Roxy Music publicly to deserve this "attitude"? - -Is he an egomaniac?(which most successful(in this case "rich") artist are!) - -Does he not use deoderant? - -Why is he Avalon's "whipping boy"? I've actually liked his solo albums(except) for the singles. I tend to like the slow--darker songs on "...Nothing Like The Sun" and "The Soul Cages". Anyways, I'm not a "huge" Sting fan but I keep feeling like I'm missing the "joke" when everyone slams Sting. See ya, Rod - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 01:24:25 EDT From: AMeyersLD@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] the jerry hall timeline from hell In a message dated 4/14/2000 5:09:32 PM Central Daylight Time, vhast@bellsouth.net writes: << timeline? timeline? actually i'm beginning to think it'd be easier to prove that ferry wrote shakespeare than to show who knew whom, when. >> And didn't he base that Lady M. character on Jerri? Andrew in Evanston (with a cold, forsooth) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 01:51:39 EDT From: JFROXY@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] doll by doll In a message dated 18/04/00 02:37:26 GMT Daylight Time, FrankSmith@Sycamores.org writes: << Anyone in the UK ever heard of a band called Doll By Doll? They had at least 1 album in the late 70's. The lead was a guy named Jackie something............ >> I remember seeing them support Devo at the Glasgow Apollo, Nov. 78. I think their singer, Jackie Leven, has just released a new album, he was in one of those monthly music mags recently. JF - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 07:42:06 +0100 From: "Richard Swift" Subject: [AVALON] Re: Jazz Festivals Bryan's official website ( http://www.bryanferry.com/tour/ ) shows he will this year be playing the North Sea Jazz Festical and also the Nice Jazz Festival. Richard - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 08:45:46 +0200 From: Frederic DECLERCQ Subject: RE: [AVALON] Bryan tonight Hi all, I recorded the show. It was great. I will arrange with han or Johnny for them to get a copy so that they can forward it for ASP2 or for copies for the members. CIIaaoo, Fred - -----Original Message----- From: Simon Galloway [SMTP:SIMONG@jazzfm.com] Sent: lundi 17 avril 2000 17:08 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Bryan tonight This is what is says on the RTBF website http://www.rtbf.be/television/index.html >21.15 >BON POUR LE SON : BRYAN FERRY >Enregistré au Cirque Royal le 09 février 2000, Bryan Ferry présente son >album "As time goes by" reprises de standards des années 30 et >quelques succès de l'époque Roxy Music. >(Voir commentaires) >Réalisation : Serge Bergli. What does that mean then? Well a quick translation at babelfish.com reveals: >GOOD FOR THE SOUND: BRYAN FERRY >Recorded to the Royal Circus on February 09 2000, Bryan Ferry presents its album >"Have time goes by " taken again standards of the Thirties and some successes of the >time Roxy Music. (see comments) Realization: Serge Bergli. I think you can get the idea. Oh how I wish I was there with my VCR! SimonG - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:10:32 +0200 From: Frederic DECLERCQ Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: Jazz Festivals North sea festival, where is that happening? - -----Original Message----- From: Richard Swift [SMTP:richard_swift@lineone.net] Sent: mardi 18 avril 2000 8:42 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Re: Jazz Festivals Bryan's official website ( http://www.bryanferry.com/tour/ ) shows he will this year be playing the North Sea Jazz Festical and also the Nice Jazz Festival. Richard - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V5 #155 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest