From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #151 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Friday, April 14 2000 Volume 05 : Number 151 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Strange ear cannals, off topic ["Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest] RE: [AVALON] RE: Stars in their minds ? ["Turner, Chris (cturner)" ] [AVALON] Re : Avalon AGM ["Johnny Reece" ] [AVALON] 3 and 9 to 45(rpm) ["Turner, Chris (cturner)" ] RE: [AVALON] 3+9, Prairie Rose & Jerry Hall. ["Ujvary, Richard A." ] [AVALON] Re: No Sp. Topic [MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty)] Re: [AVALON] 3+9, Prairie Rose & Jerry Hall. ["mark shanahan" ] [AVALON] Ferry's A Fink!! [Russell Schaffer ] Re: [AVALON] 3+9, Prairie Rose & Jerry Hall. [thom.wallace@net.ntl.com] Re: [AVALON] 3+9, Prairie Rose & Jerry Hall. ["mark shanahan" Subject: [AVALON] Strange ear cannals, off topic Jas wrote: I have strange ear > cannals ( as a doctor once told me) which maybe would explain why I > heard it differently from eveyone else You're brilliant Jas, I'm gone use this line the rest of my life. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 02:32:46 -0700 From: "Turner, Chris (cturner)" Subject: RE: [AVALON] RE: Stars in their minds ? So that's it decided then, the first AGM of Avalon (UK Chapter), Summer 20000 at a venue to be arranged.(Suggestions: Bedlington Terrace Newcastle, Washington Grammar, On top of a mountain in Anglesey?) Videoconferencing to all parts of the known Roxy world. Agenda J O'B to give six hour talk on Korean B-sides (sorry to restrict your time here John) Star Guest: Paul Thompson talks about his composing role in RM (Jocelyne to translate) Cabaret: Mike Nelson sings ALL the hits Drunken karaoke to finish (Bagsy me Tokyo Joe) Regards Chris (Hon. Sec.) > -----Original Message----- > From: Jocelyn Fiske [SMTP:Jocelyn.Fiske@greyeu.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 3:48 PM > To: 'avalon@smoe.org' > Subject: RE: [AVALON] RE: Stars in their minds ? > > Oh come on Reecey, we've all done it!! > > John O'Brien does a mean Jealous Guy and I did Virginia Plain in front of > my > whole school (before being expelled). > > I dread to think of Martino's public performances. > > > > Jocelyn > > -----Original Message----- > From: Johnny Reece [mailto:johnny.reece@virgin.net] > Sent: 13 April 2000 15:34 > To: Avalonia > Subject: [AVALON] RE: Stars in their minds ? > > > I've no doubt also that Mike is a > > thoroughly nice bloke, it's just that when I saw it on TV I was horrified > to > > see someone impersonating BF. > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New > Jersey." - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:44:47 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] 3+9, Prairie Rose & Jerry Hall. - ---------- >From: thom.wallace@net > If they > are so pre occupied with Ms Hall then why not start a mailing list > dedicated to her and let the rest of us get on with discussing the music > and the way it is presented to us. The music is the starting point but, for me, it takes me to a place beyond aural delight. The BF/RM universe brings more to me than lyrics and melodies. It's a mindset, a voice, an attitude, a code of living. Jerry Hall - love her or loathe her - is an important character in Avalonia. Our Zelda.... muse, bete noire, abstraction ; she is, like her turquoise manifestation, a mythical figure. Surely, Tom, a person that inspired over a dozen songs in the canon is worthy of discussion ? The Prarie Rose thing remains unresolved for me. Could he have seen her Vogue shoot around this time ? Or was it a case of finding an image/icon that fitted his vision of a Prarie Rose that fatally led him to hire her for the sleeve art ? A case of art immitating art. As for 3 and 9 the answer is simple : all of the above. Cinema cost, cinema times, "french letters" whatever. All his great lyrics work on several levels. There's usually a specfic (eg his childhood memories of the picture palace) and a philosophy (eg passing of time, yearning etc.) Ditto Casanova could be a "rhapsody of self-hate" - my interpretation -, or a thinly-veiled attack on someone he perceived to have crossed him (Jagger.) I enjoyed Marlana's passionate defence of the Lone Star state. Bryan's love of Americana is well documented, and a cursory viewing of the APS piece on Richard Hamilton illustrates it's roots in the brash, ad-man 50s vision of USA. Growing up in a monochrome, repressed, rationed post-war late-industrial Britain the image of Plenty portrayed by consumer-driven boomtown America must have been very seductive to our Geordie boy. The finned cars, the Vargas girls, the drive-in movies, money. I always think Bry tried to capture this world in the first three tracks on In Your Mind, particularly All Night Operator, which to me always bring me to the world of American Grafitti. Texas, Arizona and California, then, were symbolic of a glossier, more colourful world, a world away from the pits and outside toilets of his terrestrial reality. Talking of which : time to open my bills, regards ever Martineaux - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:45:04 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: RE: [AVALON] RE: Stars in their minds ? Can I do punk versions of Roxy songs in the karaoke? I'll provide my own backing tracks and spittal. >>> "Turner, Chris (cturner)" 04/14 10:32 am >>> So that's it decided then, the first AGM of Avalon (UK Chapter), Summer 20000 at a venue to be arranged.(Suggestions: Bedlington Terrace Newcastle, Washington Grammar, On top of a mountain in Anglesey?) Videoconferencing to all parts of the known Roxy world. Agenda J O'B to give six hour talk on Korean B-sides (sorry to restrict your time here John) Star Guest: Paul Thompson talks about his composing role in RM (Jocelyne to translate) Cabaret: Mike Nelson sings ALL the hits Drunken karaoke to finish (Bagsy me Tokyo Joe) Regards Chris (Hon. Sec.) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:50:48 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Convention Serious idea : Why not set a date for Summer 2001. Then, perhaps, some of our global community could work a UK/Euro vacation around the event. - ---------- >From: "Turner, Chris (cturner)" >To: "'avalon@smoe.org'" >Subject: RE: [AVALON] RE: Stars in their minds ? >Date: Fri, Apr 14, 2000, 10:32 am > > So that's it decided then, the first AGM of Avalon (UK Chapter), Summer 20000 > at a venue to be arranged.(Suggestions: Bedlington Terrace Newcastle, > Washington Grammar, On top of a mountain in Anglesey?) > > Videoconferencing to all parts of the known Roxy world. > > > Agenda > > J O'B to give six hour talk on Korean B-sides (sorry to restrict your time > here John) > > Star Guest: Paul Thompson talks about his composing role in RM (Jocelyne to > translate) > > Cabaret: Mike Nelson sings ALL the hits > > Drunken karaoke to finish (Bagsy me Tokyo Joe) > > > Regards > > Chris (Hon. Sec.) > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jocelyn Fiske [SMTP:Jocelyn.Fiske@greyeu.com] >> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 3:48 PM >> To: 'avalon@smoe.org' >> Subject: RE: [AVALON] RE: Stars in their minds ? >> >> Oh come on Reecey, we've all done it!! >> >> John O'Brien does a mean Jealous Guy and I did Virginia Plain in front of >> my >> whole school (before being expelled). >> >> I dread to think of Martino's public performances. >> >> >> >> Jocelyn >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Johnny Reece [mailto:johnny.reece@virgin.net] >> Sent: 13 April 2000 15:34 >> To: Avalonia >> Subject: [AVALON] RE: Stars in their minds ? >> >> >> I've no doubt also that Mike is a >> >> thoroughly nice bloke, it's just that when I saw it on TV I was horrified >> to >> >> see someone impersonating BF. >> >> >> -------------------- >> To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >> unsubscribe avalon >> >> Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New >> Jersey." > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New > Jersey." > > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:51:52 +0100 From: "Johnny Reece" Subject: [AVALON] Instrumentals I've seen some crazy threads in my time, but the current confusion over '3 & 9' of those living outside the UK is taking the pre-decimal biscuit. So, sit down class, stop chewing your pencils, stop looking out the window Billy, and look at the blackboard. Andrea, I've told you once, don't do that. Edwyn - stop it !, you'll go blind. Now, open your books and pay attention. Johnny ! What have I told you before ? - just leave poor little Julia alone. (whoops - bit of a giveaway there) Whilst 3 & 9 may well be cinema times, it stands for 3 shillings and ninepence. 'Old' English money, OK ? In 'old' money, there was 12 pence in a shilling - meaning - 3 shillings and ninepence = 45 'old' pence - hence, "3 & 9 to 45". End of lesson. Take 100 lines, sit up straight, go home, and pray for forgiveness, lest Bryan himself sees this sort of nonsense, and vows that he should, forever more, only send out instrumentals, or an entire Album of remixes of 'Sultanesque' to the minions, lest he cause such consternation and confusion. Oh oh - there's the Bell, i'm just nipping out behind the bike shed now for a quick cigarette, to discuss the algebraic connotations of 'Your Applications Failed'. Reecey (Class 2b, 1974, 'A' in Maths). - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:00:20 +0100 From: "Johnny Reece" Subject: [AVALON] Re : Avalon AGM To Chris Turner, Hon. Sec. : If I can't have my 'Bitters End' karaoke piece at the end, with Martino, Jocelyn, J. O'B, Julia, Rosie, the Sirens and Thommo on backing vox, then I'll be bloody annoyed. Reecey... - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 03:26:55 -0700 From: "Turner, Chris (cturner)" Subject: [AVALON] 3 and 9 to 45(rpm) I always thought that the line "3 and 9 to 45" indicated his move from the love of cinema as a boy to 45 rpm singles as a performer... Sorry to muddy the water further... Chris - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:41:49 +0100 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] 3+9, Prairie Rose & Jerry Hall. Martin Stockman goes all Nintendo: > Jerry Hall - love her or loathe her - is an important character in Avalonia. > Our Zelda.... I would suggest more like our Bowser to Ferry's flat-capped Mario... Sorry, I just couldn't resist that one... Ivor. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 07:42:41 -0400 From: "Tim Kendrick" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bryan and Albert (Part1) Oh, John! Mister Martin Stockman has had a terrible influence on the prose style of this list!! Tim - -----Original Message----- From: JObinv01@aol.com To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Thursday, April 13, 2000 3:05 PM Subject: [AVALON] Bryan and Albert (Part1) > I'm a stranger far from home and it can be a bit daunting for a poor country >boy who lives in the middle of nowhere surrounded by nothing but sheep >entering such a grand place in the heart of the big city. Who knows what >you'll see, who you might meet: -Robert Fedder, Martin Stockman and his >daughter Rachael, Ivor Canning, Richard J. Andrew Shearer, Reecey, Simon G, >and at the gig Richard Swift, Chris Turner and I replied "hello" to a few >"hello John"s wondering who's that again?? Sorry forgetting your names, >whoever you were. Emma who found you all rather friendly to delight in your >company accompanied me and still she recalls the thrill of it all. You will >> > > > take me as I am, an average man. > >. This beauty queen strolls on to the stage her face is her fortune, >she's got a harp of gold. There's that melody again >In every dream band a string quartet with angelic eyes. As they say, four can >play with much communication in a motion without conversation or a notion >these girls can take you higher than the Milky Way. > > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 08:05:02 -0400 From: "Ujvary, Richard A." Subject: RE: [AVALON] Instrumentals Now I know why you guys in that "sceptered isle" didn't go for the Euro.......... Rich - -----Original Message----- From: Johnny Reece [mailto:johnny.reece@virgin.net] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 5:52 AM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Instrumentals I've seen some crazy threads in my time, but the current confusion over '3 & 9' of those living outside the UK is taking the pre-decimal biscuit. Reecey (Class 2b, 1974, 'A' in Maths). - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 05:19:16 PDT From: "mark shanahan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] that old '12 scotches' song >From: "Sebastian Fasthuber" >you know, we got a right-wing party in the government now. >the european union is not too happy with us. ah, that. the coalition power-sharing kind-of-thing. right. just didn't know exactly what you were referring to there. yeah - Jörg Haider would probably not be my favorite 'guy' ... now back to RM & BF. peaces/ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 05:21:50 PDT From: "mark shanahan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] doppelgangers-r-us >From: "Gene" >LOL! Hell, if you think *that`s* scary, you should see the full time Elvis >impersonator in Pigeon Forge. Like some horrible caricature Wes Craven >dreamt up. better or worse than andy kaufman? just looking for a decent reference point here :^). peaces/ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 08:36:22 -0400 From: "Ujvary, Richard A." Subject: RE: [AVALON] 3+9, Prairie Rose & Jerry Hall. As for Americana, not only is the prairie rose a scented wildflower but there actually was a cowgirl named Prairie Rose Henderson. She attended the first world championship broncbusting competition with Buffalo Bill (not Bungalow Bill) back in 1911 in Oregon. The old saw with her was that "she could give a feller a kiss and remove his tonsils at the same time". Prairie Rose... what a song.... Rich - -----Original Message----- From: Martin Stockman [mailto:martinstockman@btinternet.com] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 5:45 AM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] 3+9, Prairie Rose & Jerry Hall. - - Jerry Hall - love her or loathe her - is an important character in Avalonia. Our Zelda.... muse, bete noire, abstraction ; she is, like her turquoise manifestation, a mythical figure. Surely, Tom, a person that inspired over a dozen songs in the canon is worthy of discussion ? The Prarie Rose thing remains unresolved for me. Could he have seen her Vogue shoot around this time ? Or was it a case of finding an image/icon that fitted his vision of a Prarie Rose that fatally led him to hire her for the sleeve art ? A case of art immitating art. regards ever Martineaux - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:56:12 BST From: "the siren" Subject: [AVALON] RAH Royal Albert Pudding? Always seemed like a big tit to me. But what a venue! Sound quality for those of us privileged enough to be nowhere near the stage was excellent. Clearly, sound was quite location-influenced. Content first class. Roxy Music and Bryan Ferry numbers throughout. That put it ahead of anything else around. Wonderful. Peerless. The threat of drums’n’bass Ferry failed to materialise. Noticed quite a few extra numbers thrown into the instrumental sections. We lost Can’t Get Started, got Oh Yeah etc. Atmosphere v good, but I felt a little bit out of it in the raised stalls. Gore Hotel afterwards: glitterati raving - expect a BF backlash maybe? Can he stay this fashionable? Voice: best yet on this tour IMHO, of the shows I’ve seen. More power, phrasing top. Encores: powerful, great songs selected. A bit stingy though. No ATGB. I subscribe to the conspiracy theory - something was up that night. But remember, Lucy and kids were all there - maybe they were putting him off at the end (mooning, v-sign flicking, who knows?). And of course: great fun to meet up with Avalonians. Always a pleasure. And finally, I must say that Rachel Stockman was a jewel. It’s nice to see the average age of BF fans being lowered by an influx of younger followers. Robert ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 08:07:56 -0500 (CDT) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty) Subject: [AVALON] Re: No Sp. Topic Thanks Martin for taking notice on my topic of Texas. I thought for sure it would arouse a debate , so much was mentioned ,but then again ,maybe because it was long no one read it. It did shed light on a lot of things debated here. Oh , well. ---Off topic a bit ( as sometime we do) but that is what gets adrenalin going. If you ever get the opportunity to see Andrea Bocelli; do so. He was here Mon. night & what a voice. Pavarotti was quoted as saying" If God had a voice it would sound like Bocelli" . I'm glad I plunked out the money to go see him. It's gorgeous here today. I'm going to go work a while in my yard. Getting it ready ; for soon the pool cover will need to come off. Splash day. Yeah! Marlana....... - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 07:07:13 PDT From: "mark shanahan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] 3+9, Prairie Rose & Jerry Hall. >From: thom.wallace@net.ntl.com >The song 3 and 9 is definitely about the cinema. [snip] I don't >actually remember what the explanation for "Prairie Rose" was at the >time [snip] In Britain in the 50's & 60's most folks only experience of >America was the cinema and one of the most popular images was that of the >west in the late 1800's. [snip] As far as I know "Prairie Rose" was written >prior to his meeting Jerry Hall [snip] as far as 3 & 9 -- *OK*. but, as martin said, not often is there just a 'straight-ahead' lyric from meisterman; there are usually a few things going on at once. 'prarie rose' - you know, i still say it's one hell - sorry, *heck* - one _heck_ of a coincidence - although, i suppose stranger things have happened. it *sounds* like it's *all about her* - just forget the timeline and the apparent 'tawdriness' of this [anti]topic. no one agrees it's a startling coincidence!? >if it's so important to some of you why don't you e-mail it as a question >to his web site, though I doubt if it would be considered worthy of an >answer. oh, and some of those others answered (during the chat) were? oh ... define *worthy of an answer*. though i'm sure you're right - but only because he's married now, kids, and that was a long time ago. same premise as to why you'll probably never see 'prarie rose' performed live, to be sure. >On the topic of Jerry Hall why does she have to be dragged up on so many >occasions on this list. Ferry had a relationship with her that ended about >twenty three years ago. I could understand people questioning what >influence 18 years of marriage has had on his songs personally, i don't think she gets 'dragged up' all that often. and - even so -- it's not like we're discussing her ability to suckle her child or something. but -- OK, so what has 18 years of marriage done for ferry's music? let's discuss ... name one song written about lucy/family, etc., if you're thinking of one. par M. victor hastings: >yes, and mere coincidence justifies the conclusion that 'casanova' is about >mick jagger. that's the first i've heard of jagger - re: 'casanova'. i thought it was supposedly a toss-up between being about eno or ferry himself. so, what's the consensus? btw, i don't think it's SO bad that we have ended up discussing parts of 'country life' once again. however, my apologies to those of you who feel it's being 'dredged up' once more, from the depths ... peaces/ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 15:45:51 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] Casanova.....was 3+9, Prairie Rose & Jerry Hall. >>> "mark shanahan" 04/14 3:07 pm >>> >that's the first i've heard of jagger - re: 'casanova'. i thought it was >supposedly a toss-up between being about eno or ferry himself. so, what's >the consensus? I always thought it was about a f*&k^d up woman, "I know my place is here with you tonight, but not together" and is also ambiguos "Casanova - is that your name or do you live there?". Maybe it's about a transexual, any ideas? Any Roxy cover "girls" come to mind? SimonG - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 12:46:18 EDT From: AESYSTON@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] 3+9, Prairie Rose & Jerry Hall. In a message dated 4/14/00 3:09:39 GMT Daylight Time, m_shanahan@hotmail.com writes: << that's the first i've heard of jagger - re: 'casanova'. i thought it was supposedly a toss-up between being about eno or ferry himself. so, what's the consensus? >> I always believed this was about Eno "innovator,it's in your mind" and if you give me a few days I'll sort through my old issue's of the NME to see who made the quote as at present i'm it's just my memory i'm trusting Steve(try singing hard rain without a lyric sheet!) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:09:27 PDT From: "mark shanahan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] 3+9, Prairie Rose & Jerry Hall. >From: AESYSTON@aol.com >I always believed this was about Eno "innovator,it's in your mind" >and if you give me a few days I'll sort through my old issue's of the NME >to see who made the quote as at present i'm it's just my memory i'm >trusting ah, well - this would be great; if an actual quote could put this to rest, once and for all. but that still leaves 'prarie rose' - eh, kicki? btw, mr. stockman - is this BF 'code of living' involving a white tux, or is it more of a 'BF philosophy'? just wondering - of course. myself, i'm a bit more partial to the bondian white tux w/gin martini -- [w/extra olives] - but, then, there's really not much of a philosophy there, is there? peaces/ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 12:42:23 -0500 From: "Victor Hastings" Subject: Re: [AVALON] 3+9, Prairie Rose & Jerry Hall. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark shanahan" To: > par M. victor hastings: > >yes, and mere coincidence justifies the conclusion that 'casanova' is about > >mick jagger. > > that's the first i've heard of jagger - re: 'casanova'. i thought it was > supposedly a toss-up between being about eno or ferry himself. so, what's > the consensus? stop right there! the jagger comment was strictly tongue in cheek. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:14:26 PDT From: "mark shanahan" Subject: [AVALON] the jerry hall timeline from hell >From: "Victor Hastings" > > that's the first i've heard of jagger - re: 'casanova'. i thought > it >was supposedly a toss-up between being about eno or ferry > himself. so, >what's the consensus? > >stop right there! the jagger comment was strictly tongue in cheek. oh, sure. next you're gonna say it doesn't fit in the timeline! get with the anachronistic program, why dontcha? geezzzzz, man ... who you been talkin' to anyway, huh? peaces/ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:35:35 -0800 From: Karen Roth Subject: [AVALON] windy city update To all the Chicago gang: My free nights at the convention will be: Wednesday 5/3 after 6:00 pm and Thursday 5/4 after 8:00 pm. I will have no car and I know it is a lot to ask to have you meet me at the Hyatt Regency in Schaumburg. If any of you would like to meet for a few cocktails at the hotel or go somewhere from there, I would be ever so happy to do so. We could even get a few pics of us for Kicki's photo gallery. Wouldn't it be a kick!! My apologies to list members who have been irritated by all this Chicago talk of late. Don't worry Tom, Jerry Hall is not invited. Everyone else is. One of the important elements of being on this list to me is the chance of meeting you fine people and the fact that we share a common interest. That common interest is very dear to each of us in one way or another. Though some of us are stranger than the others, none of us will ever be strangers to each other, even if we never meet face to face. Soon I'll be Eight Miles High and Running Wild in Chicago (Sorry, Jas) Flesh and Blood was my first Roxy album and you never forget your first. May the sun be shining on each of you today, Karen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 12:35:35 -0700 From: Russell Schaffer Subject: [AVALON] Ferry's A Fink!! Although there probably isn't much to substantiate the Casonova is ENo theory, it sure is fun. I'm sure you guys have already analyzed Eno's Ferry song "Dead Finks don't talk" Oh cheeky cheeky Oh naughty sneaky You're so perceptive And I wonder how you knew. But dead finks don't walk too well (oh no) A bad sense of direction (oh no) And so they stumble round in threes (oh no) Such a strange collection. Oh, you headless chicken Can those poor teeth take so much kicking? You're always so charming As you make your way up here. And dead finks don't dress too well No discrimination To be a zombie all the time Requires such dedication. "Oh please sir, will you let it go by, 'Cos I failed both tests with my legs both tied In my place the stuff is all there I've been ever so sad for a very long time. My my, they wanted the works: Can you this? and that? I never got a letter back More for me, bless my soul More for me, bless my soul." Oh perfect masters They thrive on disasters They all look so harmless Till they find their way up here. But dead finks don't talk too well They've got a shaky sense of diction It's not so much a living hell It's just a dying fiction. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 20:49:18 +0100 From: thom.wallace@net.ntl.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] 3+9, Prairie Rose & Jerry Hall. Martin Stockman wrote: > Jerry Hall - love her or loathe her - is an important character in Avalonia. > Our Zelda.... muse, bete noire, abstraction ; she is, like her turquoise > manifestation, a mythical figure. Surely, Tom, a person that inspired over a > dozen songs in the canon is worthy of discussion ? Only as a foot note to what frame of mind Ferry was in at the time. I for one have never heard Ferry list over a dozen songs that were inspired by Jerry Hall, is it not more likely that a lot of these songs have had the Jerry factor applied to them by the fans. At times you would think that she inspired everything he has done since '75 from some of the postings that I've seen over the period of time that I have read the digest / joined the list. The point I was trying to make is that some folk seem to be hell bent on giving this woman more prominence than she is due when you consider how long ago her relationship with Ferry was. Btw, Mark if you want to know which songs if any may or may not have been in reference to his wife / married life I think it would be better to ask him than me. Unless Ferry actually tells us what a song is about all of our guessing will remain only that guessing. It's a lot of fun to discuss what may be behind Ferry's music, but when push comes to shove unless he has actually come clean about a songs inspiration than guess work is all it is. Someone mentioned my chances of hearing "Prairie Rose" live, well I heard it as the opening number at Glasgow Apollo in '74. It may be true that there is little chance of me hearing it live again, but then you could say that the same goes for "Pyjamarama" another of my personal fav's. Now surely nobody will try and tack Jerry Hall's name to that one unless Ferry was having visions of the future in '73. My point being that even if "Prairie Rose" was written about Ms Hall that would not necessarily be the reason for it not being performed live again, after all she was heavily associated with the "Let's Stick Together" period and that hasn't stopped Ferry from performing that on his last two tours. Cheers, Tom. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:31:50 PDT From: "mark shanahan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] 3+9, Prairie Rose & Jerry Hall. >From: thom.wallace@net.ntl.com >Btw, Mark if you want to know which songs if any may or may not have been >in reference to his wife / married life I think it would be better to ask >him than me. Unless Ferry actually tells us what a song is about all of our >guessing will remain only that guessing. It's a lot of fun to discuss what >may be behind Ferry's music, but when push comes to shove unless he has >actually come clean about a songs inspiration than guess work is all it is. i *would* like to know. but btw, i'm not a fan of hall's, for example - or even as per her influence on ferry so much. but i do find it interesting to guess [speculate, ruminate, muse] relatively intelligently (?) as to what's behind - maybe not EVERY song - but a few sort of call out. anyway - if i ever meet bryan, i'll make sure to ask him ... and i'm sure he'll just give me the full story. but - what's so wrong with guessing - and why does it need to come 'push to shove'!? a lot of the songs i think we CAN figure out - - for the most part. and i'm sure it's old hat for quite a few on the list ... *oh, well*. >Someone mentioned my chances of hearing "Prairie Rose" live, well I heard >it as the opening number at Glasgow Apollo in '74. It may be true that >there is little chance of me hearing it live again, but then you could say >that the same goes for "Pyjamarama" another of my personal fav's. [snip] ah, that was me, i'm afraid. well, i stick to my guns on that one - but i did mean to say "played live *again*". you're perfectly correct though, that hall had something to do w/'LST' - but, i don't believe it was *any* more than the high-pitched 'yow, yow, yow' in the background. and that was on the recording - and once live (at the bottom line in n.y.c. - no?), right? then, she was just like - *so* _terminated_ after that ... like i've said before, those who know more are welcome to share the wealth ... certainly there must be quite a few of you with old interviews hanging around. i mean - i hate to make someone go out in the garage and dig them up, but hey - throw us a bone here ... if i had them, i'd reference them. peaces/ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 17:07:29 -0500 From: "Victor Hastings" Subject: Re: [AVALON] the jerry hall timeline from hell timeline? timeline? actually i'm beginning to think it'd be easier to prove that ferry wrote shakespeare than to show who knew whom, when. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark shanahan" To: Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 1:14 PM Subject: [AVALON] the jerry hall timeline from hell > > > >From: "Victor Hastings" > > > that's the first i've heard of jagger - re: 'casanova'. i thought > it > >was supposedly a toss-up between being about eno or ferry > himself. so, > >what's the consensus? > > > >stop right there! the jagger comment was strictly tongue in cheek. > > oh, sure. next you're gonna say it doesn't fit in the timeline! get with > the anachronistic program, why dontcha? geezzzzz, man ... who you been > talkin' to anyway, huh? > > peaces/ms > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New > Jersey." > > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 17:14:18 -0500 From: Kimberly Shell Subject: [AVALON] windy city update SORRY off topic! Hello out there - Jas, Andrew - you guys have cars? I do not, so I'm stuck here downtown! - -kim Ps - forgive for the off topic post! >>> Karen Roth 04/14/00 02:35pm >>> To all the Chicago gang: My free nights at the convention will be: Wednesday 5/3 after 6:00 pm and Thursday 5/4 after 8:00 pm. I will have no car and I know it is a lot to ask to have you meet me at the Hyatt Regency in Schaumburg. If any of you would like to meet for a few cocktails at the hotel or go somewhere from there, I would be ever so happy to do so. We could even get a few pics of us for Kicki's photo gallery. Wouldn't it be a kick!! My apologies to list members who have been irritated by all this Chicago talk of late. Don't worry Tom, Jerry Hall is not invited. Everyone else is. One of the important elements of being on this list to me is the chance of meeting you fine people and the fact that we share a common interest. That common interest is very dear to each of us in one way or another. Though some of us are stranger than the others, none of us will ever be strangers to each other, even if we never meet face to face. Soon I'll be Eight Miles High and Running Wild in Chicago (Sorry, Jas) Flesh and Blood was my first Roxy album and you never forget your first. May the sun be shining on each of you today, Karen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V5 #151 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest