From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #128 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Thursday, March 30 2000 Volume 05 : Number 128 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] No Chucking (Was: Trying to give a rat's ass) ["Les Belikian" <] Re: [AVALON] Q: CD re-Masters ["Ivor Canning" ] RE: [AVALON] Trying to give a rat's ass and failing. ["Ujvary, Richard A.] Re: [AVALON] Q: CD re-Masters [Carl Koontz ] [AVALON] Valentine ["Simon Galloway" ] Re: [AVALON] US FERRY REMASTERS [Carl Koontz ] [AVALON] new dates for UK summer tour confirmed/Financial Times interview [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] US FERRY REMASTERS ["Kevin Sheridan" ] Re: [AVALON] Trying to give a rat's ass and failing. ["Robert Whiteford" ] Re: [AVALON] Q: CD re-Masters [Noam Bronstein ] [AVALON] Manifesto Remastered CD Cover ["Rod LeCloux" ] Re: [AVALON] Trying to give a rat's ass and failing. ["mark shanahan" ] [AVALON] stupid question alert [Karen Roth ] Re: [AVALON] Q: CD re-Masters ["Ivor Canning" ] Re: [AVALON] stupid question alert ["Ivor Canning" ] [AVALON] Anoraknaphobia ! - Re-masters ["Johnny Reece" ] Re: [AVALON] Anoraknaphobia ! - Re-masters ["Rod LeCloux" Subject: [AVALON] No Chucking (Was: Trying to give a rat's ass) I share the sentiments expressed by folks like Victor, Heather J., and Gene: the list should be left to run pretty much on its own so members can decide for themselves what to read, filter out, ignore, memorize, whatever. Jason's hit the toad right on the beak: most of the bickering's been between "a couple of virtual people." Then again, eman recently sent me a Clash promo CD for free -- he even paid the postage -- so from my perspective he's just plain better than virtual (if occasionally lacking in impulse-control & topicality). Meanwhile, Irene's enriched my life in other ways entirely: I can never read her posts without feeling I've just encountered the feminine (though who knows?) Mr. Hat, someone whose every word virtually (or is that practically?) defines the term "rebarbative." So, Jason: let people bicker if they can stay on-topic. And to eman: you're o.k. with me, but maybe you more than most could try a little harder to stick to the subjects the list is for in the first place. But for you, Irene: please don't ever shave. Les - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 11:51:50 +0100 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Q: CD re-Masters Jim Jankiewicz brings us back to the thrill of it all with: > New remasters somewhat are enticing but no bonuses or extras to really attract. > What are most of you doing out there? Hello Jim, In terms of sound quality, I found the CD transfers of Roxy albums to be quite good anyway; consequently, the remasters (although definitely better) are, IMO, less of a step-improvement than the Ferry ones. I hear the biggest improvements to be in 'Roxy Music' (warmer), 'Siren' (warmer - and they've restored the beginning to 'Whirlwind' !), 'These Foolish Things' (clearer) and 'Another Time, Another Place' (clearer). In addition, the original version of 'Angel Eyes' has been restored to 'Manifesto' although 'Dance Away' is still the single version (like the previous issue). I bought the cardboard sleeve versions for nostalgic reasons (and superbly reproduced they are too, right down to the original red/yellow stippled writing on 'Stranded'), but the subsequent jewel case versions have printed lyrics inside every album (why couldn't they have put an insert sheet in with the replica sleeves ???) and can be found considerably cheaper too, at least in the UK (£4.99 in some shops). As usual, you pays yer money and takes a chance...! To further complicate matters, plans are afoot to issue the same Roxy remasters in yet *another* form, with some sort of commentary from Phil Manzanera. Details are patchy at present but www.manzanera.com is worth a look (if you haven't already...) Personally, I find the sound quality of 'The Thrill Of It All' perfectly acceptable (the new discs have a certain 'presence' which these don't quite have, but that would be serious nitpicking !). However, my favourite B-sides 'The Numberer' and 'Your Application's Failed' sound very poor (like they were taken from some sort of second generation master) and the live version of 'For Your Pleasure' is missing (oh, and 'South Downs' has been put on backwards, no doubt for amusement !) Still, it's nice (and frankly, I'm pleasantly surprised) to have the choice... Now, isn't it about time they brought out some Eno remasters ? Regards, Ivor. BTW The downside to all this umpteen-bit immaculate remastering is that I can now pick out a number of nasty 'flaws' in the master tapes (I won't mention them here in deference to people who haven't heard them and don't their listening spoiled by having them pointed out...) Technology, eh ? Tsk ! - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 08:20:05 -0500 From: "Ujvary, Richard A." Subject: RE: [AVALON] Trying to give a rat's ass and failing. I guess it's understandable to have some misunderstandings in this medium....might be good to read "Lord Of the Flies" agin... great flick btw....you could see what happens when there's a premium on orda!... Rich - -----Original Message----- From: jason and jill [mailto:jgreshes@netaxs.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 6:58 PM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Trying to give a rat's ass and failing. At one point this list was rather pleasant to administer and the list members were relatively mature people that didn't require much policing or coddling. It appears that has changed. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 09:10:12 -0500 From: Carl Koontz Subject: Re: [AVALON] Q: CD re-Masters Ivor Canning wrote: > I hear the biggest improvements to be in 'Roxy Music' (warmer), 'Siren' > (warmer - and they've restored the beginning to 'Whirlwind' !), 'These > Foolish Things' (clearer) and 'Another Time, Another Place' (clearer). In > addition, the original version of 'Angel Eyes' has been restored to > 'Manifesto' although 'Dance Away' is still the single version (like the > previous issue). Personally, I have the cardboard sleeve versions and the jewel versions. I love the LP sleeves but I'd hate to be handling them all of the time so I picked up the jewel cases. Compulsive, I know... The cardboard 'Roxy Music' does not have "Virginia Plain", which, although I know you can sequence track orders on CD players, still gives it a more natural feel... If you want the LP-style CDs, you should probably hurry up. I can't speak for the UK, but the US shops and online shops appear to be quickly running out... Carl - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:08:40 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] Valentine I got this yesterday too, and I wasn't that impressed. The video part works with Quicktime, and isn't DVD like it was originally supposed to be. On my Mac it does nothing but crash it, so I've found that the best way to view it is to quit what the cd launches and go into the files on the disc and launch the video clips from the Quicktime icons. I also found that I can take stills from the screen, sensational!!! I just hope that there will be a part 2 which has the remainder of the Musikladen footage. SimonG - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 09:15:51 -0500 From: Carl Koontz Subject: Re: [AVALON] US FERRY REMASTERS Bill wrote: > I went to the store today to buy the U.S releases of the Bryan Ferry > CD's. I obtained all but Bete Noire and Taxi. It appears they were not > released. Good question... Amazon and CDNow had them listed as "new and coming soon" but today they aren't listed at all. Anybody? - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 09:27:49 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: [AVALON] new dates for UK summer tour confirmed/Financial Times interview I have just gotten word that these dates have been confirmed yesterday for this summer's tour of English stately homes: Friday 23 June Petworth Park, East Sussex Friday 30 June Tatton Park, Cheshire Saturday 1 July Ragley Hall, Warwickshire Saturday 22 July Blickling Hall, Norfolk Friday 18 August Castle Howard, Yorkshire The person who kindly let me know also noted: > These are all beautiful venues - very large landscaped grounds with > lovely mansions. Bring a picnic and champagne and do it in style! (But > don't forget they're all outdoors and it might rain...) I understand > that all concerts have a firework finale. Telephone number for all bookings: from within the UK, 0871-514-444; from outside UK, +44-871-514-444. Also, Mr. Ferry is in the process of (or has just completed) being interviewed by London's _Financial Times_. I'll let y'all know when as soon as I do, especially so us non UK folks can go track down those pink pages. Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:00:00 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] The High Road (North) > Friday 18 August Castle Howard, Yorkshire This was of course the setting for Granada TV's celebrated production of Brideshead Revisited in the early 80s...("Sebastian, you're drunk !" and all that jazz.) I must make tracks North, then. Are nylon tracksuits still de rigeur in these parts ? Martineaux - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:34:24 +0200 From: "Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Trying to give a rat's ass and failing. I often describe this list to people as like going to a party, meeting great people, lots of laughing, the latest news, too much beer etc. But on every party there are some people who I don't like and obvious there are people who don't like me. I avoid them and I hope they avoid me. Fact is that most people leave places where everybody 'hates' them. Some people need some time to realise that it is better to leave or shut their mouth. Fact is that I think I leave before the voting starts. What fascinates me is why people choose not to sign with their own name. Almost seems there is something to hide. Cheers Han (Johannes Dominicus Maria) Snijders (not from New Jersey) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:31:48 +0100 From: Jocelyn Fiske Subject: RE: [AVALON] The High Road (North) When visiting Castle Howard my advice to you all is beware the rampant peacocks - but then again Martino might decide not to go Jocelyn - -----Original Message----- From: Martin Stockman [mailto:martinstockman@btinternet.com] Sent: 29 March 2000 16:00 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] The High Road (North) > Friday 18 August Castle Howard, Yorkshire I must make tracks North, then. Are nylon tracksuits still de rigeur in these parts ? Martineaux - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:53:57 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Trying to give a rat's ass and failing. Dear Jason and Jill: First, I'd like to express my appreciation for the existence of the Avalon list. Thank you for giving us this spot. Abusive list members should queue their egos at their web browser. Obviously there is no accounting for the manners individuals have learned, and only a few list members display dysfunctional behavior. One would hope that those so defective would sublimate, channel their anger and aggression into productive ventures. With regard to all members, we should not rely upon any entity other than ourselves to defuse situations. Each member must act responsibly. Each of us are real individuals, and the abandonment of common sense and etiquette used on-line should not occur. Personally, I tend to ignore persons whom I do not find reasonable. If avoidance isn't possible, I step back and carefully consider my response lest I should be as ill-mannered as they are. Failing that, remember, if you can't say anything nice, then don't say anything at all, and, what you do comes back to you. I'm off the soapbox now, please forgive my preaching (a seminary flunk-out, you see :-)), it does not well suit me. I wish all of you well. KBP If your blankets are torn may your breezes blow warm, may your treasures be what you find. May the burdens you bear like your bounties be shared, may you leave something good behind. Should the sky and the land rise to your command, may your senses cut like the knife. Live in peace with the earth as in death as in birth, may you prosper and have a good life. Brewer & Shipley Rural Space 1972, Kama Sutra Records, Inc. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 11:34:10 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: [AVALON] buy.com has $10 off and free shipping today (for those looking for US remasters) First pickup up the $10 off coupon: http://www.amazing-bargains.com/j/buy-1906.html (returning customers) http://www.amazing-bargains.com/j/buy-1656.html (new customers) If these don't work just go directly to www.amazing-bargains.com and use their links to get into buy.com. Free shipping is only for today (3/29/00) and is automatically applied to your order. I can't really recommend buy.com as the best online source since I had a horrendous experience with them around Christmas (truly the stupidest customer service representatives I have ever encountered--it was truly sad), but that didn't stop me from picking up one of the remasters this morning for $1.95 total. Colleen (not affiliated with any of these services, blah blah blah--just cheap) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:53:23 -0500 From: "Kevin Sheridan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Q: CD re-Masters The quote in your signature is from Lou Reed, I believe--the live Take No Prisoners collection Kevin Sheridan >>> JJANKIEWICZ@novell.com 03/28/00 05:12PM >>> Hi all, Long-time big RM/BF/Eno fan, just joined this list, tired of lurking, need to decide what to do with my 1st gen RM CD catalog. New remasters somewhat are enticing but no bonuses or extras to really attract. "Thrill Of It All" box is 3-4 years old (Q: how does the sound quality rank?) and is missing a lot but does give the long-sought "Always Unknowing" and "Lover." I've randomly looked through this lists' archives but found no discussions on the CD catalog. Sorry if this is old hat. []:) My options seem to be 1) wait for better days, 2) sell current CD collection and buy the remasters (do they sound that much better?), 3) keep my current and get box set, or 4) ???. What are most of you doing out there? Thanks! JJ - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:01:02 -0500 From: "Kevin Sheridan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] US FERRY REMASTERS No definitive answer here, but note that the US catalogue code on the spine ends at FERRYCD6 for Boys and Girls and recommences with FERRYCD9 for Mamouna. It seems to indicate the other two are forthcoming at some point. . . Kevin Sheridan >>> ckoontz@comversens.com 03/29/00 09:15AM >>> Bill wrote: > I went to the store today to buy the U.S releases of the Bryan Ferry > CD's. I obtained all but Bete Noire and Taxi. It appears they were not > released. Good question... Amazon and CDNow had them listed as "new and coming soon" but today they aren't listed at all. Anybody? - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:02:11 +0100 From: "Robert Whiteford" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Trying to give a rat's ass and failing. Having thought about it a bit I agree with those who think it's unfair to impose non Ferry related arguments on the rest of the list. So I shall rise to no more bait from list members who , in my view, deliberately start arguments and have no manners/respect for others. Well I won't respond on the list anyway. I probably should have known better last time - you can't talk to people who are never wrong. This morning in the post came two Cassettes - TFT and ATAP. These are the original Island releases with pink covers & an insert of the LP sleeve. '73 and '74. A friend of my parents thought I might like them. Will see what they sound like later. Rob - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:45:33 -0800 (PST) From: Noam Bronstein Subject: Re: [AVALON] Q: CD re-Masters >>> JJANKIEWICZ@novell.com 03/28/00 05:12PM >>> - -snip- 3) keep my current and get box set, or 4) ???. What are most of you doing out there? - -------- 5).. tracking down good copies of the original UK pressings on LP. Found "Siren" this past weekend. cheers, Noam ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:02:53 -0600 From: "Rod LeCloux" Subject: [AVALON] Manifesto Remastered CD Cover Did anyone else notice that the cd booklet cover of the remastered CD includes slightly more of the party scene? On my original album, the right edge ended by the edge of the outer eye on the model with read hair. The original CD on Reprise had even less. Now you can see her whole head. The reason it caught my attention was because the picture on the remastered CD appears to have a overlay line on the top and right side about 1/4 inch in. Is this intentional or is it sloppy art work? Bye, Rod - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:06:07 -0600 From: "Rod LeCloux" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Q: CD re-Masters > Ivor Canning wrote: > > > I hear the biggest improvements to be in 'Roxy Music' (warmer), 'Siren' > > (warmer - and they've restored the beginning to 'Whirlwind' !), All 3 of my versions(LP,Reprise CD & Remastered CD) of 'Whirland' sound the same. Intro is 22 seconds, then Ferry starts singing. What was restored from which prior version? Rod - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:45:38 PST From: "mark shanahan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Trying to give a rat's ass and failing. >From: jason and jill >Regarding eman and Irene--do the members of the list want them, not want >them, want one or the other chucked, etc. i think deleting someone from the list is rather drastic. i'd not defend either one of these individuals myself, but suggest maybe they be 'warned' directly - to get their collective acts together. for the lot of good that'll do ... >Anyway, whatever. I don't randomly delete people, and basically allowed >the list content to run itself since for a number of YEARS, until recently >when someone not to be named began emailing me complaints about various >subscribers. i'd throw in with those who have suggested the list just 'run' itself. could it be better? um ... *yeah*, but this list DOES have a lot of culture going on, different & valid opinions in the positive from quite a few people. i've learned a lot that i didn't know about prior to. so ... i think if some postings were to become incessant, then do what you've got to do. someone could be warned first, though. peaces/ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:05:25 PST From: "mark shanahan" Subject: [AVALON] remasters with all the talk about remasters, i thought i'd just suggest perhaps the single most efficient company i have ever dealt with in my life. and, no - i DON'T work for them ... HMV canada (www.hmv.com) were extremely, extremely well organized. i ordered all of the remasters on the 17th, received them on the 21st, minus three that were backordered. even those were received by friday the 24th! they answered e-mails (in my case i had to send QUITE a few) within **15** minutes! _each time_. so, i have to say - i've dealt with countless mediocre to god-awful customer service situations, this may have been the single best ever - honestly. anyway, i liked the idea of the cardboard sleeves, but have you ever tried to get the discs out? not so easy. then, i'd heard the lyrics were not with them. so, i waited for the jewel cased remasters with lyrics. the packaging could have been a bit better (black text on white pages for most), but why not save at least 1/3 off overall? as far as the sound, i've listened to them all, but not any back-to-back with 'originals' yet. my impression, on the whole, is that it was quite well done, but like i say ... i've still got some listening to do. peaces/ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:53:18 -0900 From: Karen Roth Subject: [AVALON] stupid question alert Ok guys, When you all refer to the jewel case for a CD, are you referring to the usual plastic case that a CD comes in? I know that this question may seem pretty dumb for some of you, but I really don't know. On to the other subject As far as the eman and Irene thing goes, in my opinion, let it go. Their bickering at each other and the rest of us who banter back and forth on occasion about some funny or sometimes not funny at all thread are what make this list so endearing to me. Han is right on the money when he compared this list to be being at a party. (I loved that analogy, Han) Not everybody is going to like everybody. I have learned that even though I may not like what someone has said, I can still learn form their point of view or at the very least I know what I don't want to say on the list!!! Heck, I thought peanut was interesting!! He got our blood boiling didn't he?? Enough said, I've been sick as a dog with a virus for a week and I'm just coming back around. I think you are all important to this list, May you all be well and smiling, Karen in Anchorage - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 01:13:08 +0100 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Q: CD re-Masters od eCloux rites: > All 3 of my versions(LP,Reprise CD & Remastered CD) of 'Whirland' sound the > same. Intro is 22 seconds, then Ferry starts singing. > > What was restored from which prior version? 'Whirlwind' on the original UK version is missing the initial 'off-beat' start that the original Island (and subsequent Polydor) L.P. had, so it actually comes in slightly later ON the beat - very off-putting when you're expecting the normal intro. I have heard that some of the UK pressings play the correct 'unedited' version but I don't know which is the more common - anyone ? BTW Has anybody else noticed (on 'LST') that what used be just a hair's-breadth gap between 'Re-make/Re-model' and 'Heart On My Sleeve' has been lengthened ? I keep thinking my CD player's on the blink... Regards, Ivor. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 01:33:31 +0100 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] stupid question alert Karen Roth asks a gem of a question: > Ok guys, > When you all refer to the jewel case for a CD, are you referring to the > usual plastic case that a CD comes in? I know that this question may seem > pretty dumb for some of you, but I really don't know. No, it's not a dumb question at all. It is, as you say, another name for what is just a clear plastic CD case. It's a dumb name, frankly, but it's useful shorthand ! Regards, Ivor. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:42:16 -0900 From: Karen Roth Subject: RE: [AVALON] stupid question alert Thanks Ivor, you can imagine me picturing these remastered CD cases with inlaid diamonds and rubies. It all makes sense now. Thanks "opal of mine" Karen Karen Roth asks a gem of a question: > Ok guys, > When you all refer to the jewel case for a CD, are you referring to the > usual plastic case that a CD comes in? I know that this question may seem > pretty dumb for some of you, but I really don't know. No, it's not a dumb question at all. It is, as you say, another name for what is just a clear plastic CD case. It's a dumb name, frankly, but it's useful shorthand ! Regards, Ivor. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 01:58:32 +0100 From: "Johnny Reece" Subject: [AVALON] Anoraknaphobia ! - Re-masters Hey Ivor, we're getting into real anorak territory here, and I love it. I have 2 different pressings of the 'old' Siren on CD - the original release, and the subsequent mid-price one. BOTH have the beginning of 'Whirlwind' chopped off - highly annoying. As for the Re-master - it's fine. Would have been interesting to see if the 'chopped' version had turned up on 'Thrill' - had it been chosen. As for the 'Remodel' to 'Heart' on LST - only a half-second extra space on mine. BTW - anyone have a bad pressing of the 'Thrill' box ? - where the last second of 'India' is tagged on to the beginning of WMHISB ? It's like that on mine - then I got another copy of the box recently - but my 2nd copy has been mastered OK. Weird, eh ? Here's one for you - anyone got the mispress of the Manifesto Vinyl pic disc ? - plays Gordon Giltrap one side. Finally, before my anorak wears out - all my Manifesto CDs - the orig, re-release, then Re-master, have a fault on 'My Little Girl' - a crackle at 1.24 into it, then a 'blip' at 1.26... Nurse ! Reecey... - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:14:55 -0800 (PST) From: Irene Adler Subject: Re: [AVALON] Trying to give a rat's ass and failing. To all: forgive my delayed response but we have hired a new temp here at work and I have busied her with the task of shaving my legs (quite a task!) and sending you all a free box of cracker jacks- postage included! Obviously, eman has not yet mastered the art of e-mail ignore, as his assistant reads and writes his e-mail daily, and unbeknownst(is that a work Mary?) to us he has never even turned on a computer!! I must admit that I find it ironic that a yuppie, bourgeois prick would listen to the Clash not understanding that everything they stand for and sing about is exactly the opposite of him- I guess opposites attract. Maybe that's why he likes Ferry/RM. Because he is NOTHING like him/them. - --- KB Porter wrote: > Dear Jason and Jill: > > First, I'd like to express my appreciation for the > existence of the > Avalon list. Thank you for giving us this spot. > > Abusive list members should queue their egos at > their web browser. > Obviously there is no accounting for the manners > individuals have > learned, and only a few list members display > dysfunctional behavior. > One would hope that those so defective would > sublimate, channel their > anger and aggression into productive ventures. > > With regard to all members, we should not rely upon > any entity other > than ourselves to defuse situations. Each member > must act responsibly. > Each of us are real individuals, and the abandonment > of common sense and > etiquette used on-line should not occur. > > Personally, I tend to ignore persons whom I do not > find reasonable. If > avoidance isn't possible, I step back and carefully > consider my response > lest I should be as ill-mannered as they are. > Failing that, remember, > if you can't say anything nice, then don't say > anything at all, and, > what you do comes back to you. > > I'm off the soapbox now, please forgive my preaching > (a seminary > flunk-out, you see :-)), it does not well suit me. > I wish all of you > well. KBP > > > > If your blankets are torn may your breezes blow > warm, may your treasures > be what you find. May the burdens you bear like > your bounties be > shared, may you leave something good behind. Should > the sky and the > land rise to your command, may your senses cut like > the knife. Live in > peace with the earth as in death as in birth, may > you prosper and have a > good life. > Brewer & Shipley > Rural Space > 1972, Kama Sutra Records, Inc. > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill > everyone in New > Jersey." > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:26:02 -0800 (PST) From: Irene Adler Subject: [AVALON] vinyl cleanierings thies wouled likely destry vinyrlss. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:38:34 -0600 From: "Rod LeCloux" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Anoraknaphobia ! - Re-masters From: Johnny Reece > Finally, before my anorak wears out - all my Manifesto CDs - the orig, > re-release, then Re-master, have a fault on 'My Little Girl' - a crackle at > 1.24 into it, then a 'blip' at 1.26... > Nurse ! > Reecey... Hi Reecey, Well spotted!! I checked my 2 CD's of Manifesto and here's the low down. 1. Manifesto(Reprise 26046 USA) - a crackle at 1.24 into it, then a 'blip' at 1.26... 2. Manifesto(Remastered Virgin 47458) no crackle, but still has "blip" at 1.26. So, apparently Bob Ludwig fixed the crackles, but not the "blip" on the re-mastered version. Clearly, nobody reviewed this before it was approved for mastering. I thought Bryan was a perfectionist? See ya, Rod - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:52:29 -0800 From: William Sommers Subject: Re: [AVALON] Anoraknaphobia ! - Re-masters At 07:38 PM 3/29/00 -0600, Rod LeCloux wrote: >> Finally, before my anorak wears out - all my Manifesto CDs - the >> orig, re-release, then Re-master, have a fault on 'My Little Girl' >> - a crackle at 1.24 into it, then a 'blip' at 1.26... > Well spotted!! I checked my 2 CD's of Manifesto and here's the low > down. > > 1. Manifesto(Reprise 26046 USA) - a crackle at 1.24 into it, then > a 'blip' at 1.26... > 2. Manifesto(Remastered Virgin 47458) no crackle, but still has > "blip" at 1.26. > > So, apparently Bob Ludwig fixed the crackles, but not the "blip" on the > re-mastered version. Clearly, nobody reviewed this before it was approved > for mastering. And to thoroughly confuse the issue: My original CD (1979 Polydor 800 031-2 W. Germany) has nothing at 1:24 and a *crackle* at 1:26. And yes, I checked 1:28 as well. Too bad I don't have a working turntable to check the original vinyl. -wfs - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:01:50 -0800 From: William Sommers Subject: Re: [AVALON] Anoraknaphobia ! - Re-masters At 06:52 PM 3/29/00 -0800, William Sommers wrote: > My original CD (1979 Polydor 800 031-2 W. Germany) has nothing at Hmm... 1979? Don't know if that's possible, but it's the only date supplied throughout the packaging. Definitely the first CD release available in the US. -wfs - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 23:55:28 EST From: Gal410@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] remasters In a message dated 3/29/00 6:18:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, m_shanahan@hotmail.com writes: << HMV canada (www.hmv.com) were extremely, extremely well organized. i ordered all of the remasters on the 17th, received them on the 21st, minus three that were backordered. even those were received by friday the 24th! >> I ordered all my remasters from them back in December. I also found them to be the most efficient company to deal with. I received my cd's in a few days. Their prices for U.S. dollars are the cheapest I have seen. Some of the RM/BF remasters were as low as $8.00. Heidi - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 09:08:36 +0200 From: "Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest" Subject: [AVALON] Reed quote, off topic Kevin wrote: > The quote in your signature is from Lou Reed, I believe--the live Take No Prisoners collection > >" Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New > Jersey."" Take no prisoners, like that album very, very much. Incredibel club-atmosphere on that album. Reed is very sharp too the people in the audiance, another one I can remember"If you write as good as you talks, nobody reeds you" Variations for some people on this list: If you talk as could as you write, nobody listens" If you like Reed this album is a must have, very soulfull version of Streethassle, pale blue eyes. mmmmhhh Han - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Name the source: "I've got enough attitude to kill everyone in New Jersey." ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V5 #128 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest