From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #123 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Saturday, March 25 2000 Volume 05 : Number 123 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Re: LST & Newsletters [Colleen Matan ] [AVALON] the old farts enclave at k-mart ... [long] ["mark shanahan" ] [AVALON] the old farts enclave at k-mart ... [long] ["mark shanahan" ] Re: [AVALON] the high road ["mark shanahan" ] [AVALON] Mr. Bruce MacQueen ["eman96" ] Re: [AVALON] long compilations-oriented rant [AESYSTON@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] the old farts... [v short reply!] ["Andy via Hotmail" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 05:34:03 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: LST & Newsletters On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, indiedit wrote: > Does anyone know if LST is still in print, where it's available, and what > the track list is? I just checked cdnow.com out of curiosity and they have two versions of it--a Canadian remastered import for 17.49USD and a domestic remaster, due to be released March 28, 2000 for 12.49USD (evidently everything on their site is on sale). Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:02:52 -0000 From: Jocelyn Fiske Subject: RE: [AVALON] FYP - The Theremin in Exhibition Having just finished it, I have to say I enjoyed it until the ending ruined it. Totally ludicrous and unbelievable! Surly they`ll film an alternative ending. Gene I heard that Tony Hopkins refused to take the role unless Harris reworked the ending for the screenplay. So hopefully the film ending will now be more in character. Jodie Foster was on-board originally when Hopkins wasn't, then Hopkins was and Jodie had committed to other projects. Is it just me, or does anyone else find Lecter strangely attractive?? Jocelyn(having an old friend for dinner) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:00:17 -0000 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] long compng compilations-oriented rant Noam Bronstein kindly makes my point for me when says: > They have their lists, where they can laugh at music they've never even heard. Thank you Noam. That, I believe, is a key point in my position... QED Regards, Ivor. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 08:41:04 -0500 From: "Ujvary, Richard A." Subject: RE: [AVALON] long compilations-oriented rant When I hear of de "average guy in the street" always reminds me of the eternal fight for "respect"...taking a page from Rodney one of the best jokesters in the biz!... "When I was a kid I got no respect. I worked in a pet store. People kept askin' how big I get".... and.... "I get no respect. I joined Gamblers Anonymous. They gave me 2 to 1 I don't make it" Rich - -----Original Message----- From: Ivor Canning [mailto:ivor.canning@cwcom.net] Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 8:34 PM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] long compilations-oriented rant It is the 'average guy on the street' who needs to be reached and today's 'average guy' is tomorrow's big fan - just like happened to all of us. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 08:45:28 -0500 From: Carl Koontz Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: LST & Newsletters Colleen Matan wrote: > I just checked cdnow.com out of curiosity and they have two versions of > it--a Canadian remastered import for 17.49USD and a domestic remaster, due > to be released March 28, 2000 for 12.49USD (evidently everything on their > site is on sale). Haven't seen much mention of this on Avalon, so... The "remasters" are seeing their US release during March. The Roxy remasters (all 10 of them) came out on March 14th and the Ferry remasters all are scheduled for release on the 28th. They come in jewel cases. "Roxy Music" contains "Virginia Plain", haven't picked up "Manifesto" yet so I can't say if it has the disco versions or not... Yet another way for Virgin/EMI to make big $$$ on the completests who already have an entire collection of remasters in cardboard covers and jewel cases... Seeing how the "rest of the world" remasters supply is quickly dwindling, it could be a good time for people seeking the remasters to get them though. Carl - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 08:52:32 PST From: "mark shanahan" Subject: [AVALON] the old farts enclave at k-mart ... [long] >From: "Ivor Canning" >Mark Shanahan seems determined to insult as many people as possible when he >says: > > now - no offense, really - ugh, ivor - you've got me! finally, someone has my *number*; i admit it -- it IS my mission in life to piss off as many people as possible. in fact, there are really no other thoughts that preoccupy my tiny, tiny brain functions - at all! you should have seen me when i went to the chilean consulate and kept talking about what a "great man" pinochet is to the protesters there. AND i used a handicapped parking spot to boot! actually, though i seem to have missed the mark, i was attempting to widen the discussion, to attempt a DIALOGUE - i thought. my intention wasn't to hit a raw nerve or make anyone blow their neurons right out of their skull ... >followed by: > > i personally don't want ferry to graduate to stadiums and arenas [snip] >Now I really do find this offensive... I would suggest you reflect *very* >carefully on those words. If it wasn't for the efforts of 'average guys on >the street' i.e. money-paying fans [snip] *i'm* the average guy on the street, ivor. geeezzzz. but i think i'm more inclined to be into roxy/ferry than the (admittedly) extreme example of your basic garth brooks/celine dion/vile cher individual. there's a difference there. i would suggest that there is a happy medium between the average k-mart shopper and us ... and that would be someone who can *appreciate* the music. so, if there's a marketing *target*, let it be on them. and, can we agree that this will never happen in reality anyway (that is, the average joe [in the single-most universal sense of that concept] 'catching' on to roxy/ferry)!? >So you want Bryan to be 'not-too-poor', 'not-too-successful' but just right >FOR YOU ? If everyone took that attitude [snip] no, i want ferry to be HUGELY successful. but, it all depends on your definition of success, doesn't it? if you're talking 23 bathroomed mansions like (another extreme example) bill gates, then no. i don't want to see ferry worrying and freaking out because he has no recording contract either. and, in essence, i was trying to clarify the (what i thought was) the british feeling/need to see ferry have 'hit singles' - which i found baffling BECAUSE i guess i equated *that* with 'volume sales' of records, which i equate with people like garth brooks, michael bolton - whomever. >I'm certainly not saying I'm in favour of Bryan commercialising his music >for the sake of sales. That's a different argument altogether. I don't >want him to have hits *at any cost*. OK, we agree there. but, to my mind - if ferry were to have a BUNCH of hits now - it all depends on what it does for him anyway. i don't want to see someone of his artistic stature to be scrounging around for recording contracts. NEITHER do i like to hear about bryan introducing 'the only face' on this tour as from 'a little-known album i did called mamouna'. nor do i want him to be heartbroken for (what he feels) is a lack of an audience. i understand the need for an audience. and even given his snail-like pace, it's a PITY that virgin can't work with him more. the current tour should be proof all the way around, if you ask me. again, what i'd like to see is for him to be successful enough to have a healthy recording contract (an oxymoron?), artistic latitude up the wazoo and the barest of bare minimal involvement from the business side of things. and maybe even enough to put food on the table for lucy and the boys. oooh-oooh - and maybe even for his children's education. bryan can eat TV dinners, can't he? >But I do not resent others taking pleasure in the material I don't happen >to like nor would I want this music to remain the elite preserve of some >stale collective of old farts who simply want things to 'stay the same' >(whatever line in the sand you want to draw this >month). i never said i did or do. and what 'line in the sand'? and who comprises the "elite preserve of some stale collective of old farts"? i don't want things to stay the same. i want ferry to grow as an artist to _that_ logical conclusion - and enjoy it. bottom line - i just don't want the music to suffer. and who IS to say that it would? obviously, i don't know for certain. >I don't like compilations much myself [snip] and NO-ONE IN THEIR RIGHT >MINDS wants a compilation to hold back the release of original material, >but WHO SAYS IT'S READY ?? [snip] i'm glad we're all in our right minds, then. but who's to say that it isn't ready? evidentally, neither one of us knows for sure ... >To paraphrase: I don't want Bryan to drop his standards - I want other >people to hear the standard of material he is capable of (new or compiled) >and to go buy more of it so he knows and the record company knows how good >it is and he can do more like it !!! There, what's wrong with that ? OK, at least i can agree with your above paragraph. >(God, I'm getting tired of this argument...) well, now that i'm down to this point (in the reply), i can see why. this would have been much more 'fun' over a couple of guinesses, n'est-ce pas? but, if we don't agree after this, i say it's pistols at dawn, dammit! vive ferry et vive la resistance de celine dion! mois, je dit *oui*! peaces/ms p.s. - btw, i just contributed to more of ferry's bellpushes & faucets. i bought ALL the remasters - save 'mamouna', 'taxi', 'heart', & 'viva!'. AND the recommendation to HMV was *excellent*! i ordered on friday and got everything yesterday, minus 3 that have also been shipped. so, thanks again for the recommendation! AND thanks to canada for that peso-like *C* dollar ...! thank god for credit ... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 08:53:55 -0800 From: "eman96" Subject: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V5 #122 Y'know, I can't understand what everyone's messages are talking about, could you please copy the whole message or digest back with every response message you send? Because saying "Re: compilations," or "Re: Bryan's commercial future," just isn't obvious enough. ;-) e - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:03:02 PST From: "mark shanahan" Subject: [AVALON] the old farts enclave at k-mart ... [long] >From: "Ivor Canning" >Mark Shanahan seems determined to insult as many people as possible when he >says: > > now - no offense, really - ugh, ivor - you've got me! finally, someone has my *number*; i admit it -- it IS my mission in life to piss off as many people as possible. actually, though i seem to have missed the mark, i was attempting to widen the discussion, to attempt a DIALOGUE - i thought. my intention wasn't to hit a raw nerve or make anyone blow their neurons right out of their skull ... >followed by: > > i personally don't want ferry to graduate to stadiums and arenas [snip] >Now I really do find this offensive... I would suggest you reflect *very* >carefully on those words. If it wasn't for the efforts of 'average guys on >the street' i.e. money-paying fans [snip] *i'm* the average guy on the street, ivor. geeezzzz. but i think i'm more inclined to be into roxy/ferry than the (admittedly) extreme example of your basic garth brooks/celine dion/vile cher individual. there's a difference there. i would suggest that there is a happy medium between the average k-mart shopper and us ... and that would be someone who can *appreciate* the music. so, if there's a marketing *target*, let it be on them. >So you want Bryan to be 'not-too-poor', 'not-too-successful' but just right >FOR YOU ? If everyone took that attitude [snip] no, i want ferry to be HUGELY successful. but, it all depends on your definition of success, doesn't it? if you're talking 23 bathroomed mansions like (another extreme example) bill gates, then no. i don't want to see ferry worrying and freaking out because he has no recording contract either. and, in essence, i was trying to clarify the (what i thought was) the british feeling/need to see ferry have 'hit singles' - which i found baffling BECAUSE i guess i equated *that* with 'volume sales' of records, which i equate with people like garth brooks, michael bolton - whomever. >I'm certainly not saying I'm in favour of Bryan commercialising his music >for the sake of sales. That's a different argument altogether. I don't >want him to have hits *at any cost*. OK, we agree there. but, to my mind - if ferry were to have a BUNCH of hits now - it all depends on what it does for him anyway. i don't want to see someone of his artistic stature to be scrounging around for recording contracts. NEITHER do i like to hear about bryan introducing 'the only face' on this tour as from 'a little-known album i did called mamouna'. nor do i want him to be heartbroken for (what he feels) is a lack of an audience. i understand the need for an audience. again, what i'd like to see is for him to be successful enough to have a healthy recording contract (an oxymoron?), artistic latitude up the wazoo and the barest of bare minimal involvement from the business side of things. >But I do not resent others taking pleasure in the material I don't happen >to like nor would I want this music to remain the elite preserve of some >stale collective of old farts who simply want things to 'stay the same' >(whatever line in the sand you want to draw this >month). i yi-yi-yi ... i never said i did or do. and what 'line in the sand'? and who comprises the "elite preserve of some stale collective of old farts"? i don't want things to stay the same. i want ferry to grow as an artist to _that_ logical conclusion - and enjoy it. bottom line - i just don't want the music to suffer. and who IS to say that it would? obviously, i don't know for certain. >I don't like compilations much myself [snip] and NO-ONE IN THEIR RIGHT >MINDS wants a compilation to hold back the release of original material, >but WHO SAYS IT'S READY ?? [snip] i'm glad we're all in our right minds, then. but who's to say that it isn't ready? evidentally, neither one of us knows for sure ... >To paraphrase: I don't want Bryan to drop his standards - I want other >people to hear the standard of material he is capable of (new or compiled) >and to go buy more of it so he knows and the record company knows how good >it is and he can do more like it !!! There, what's wrong with that ? OK, at least i can agree with your above paragraph. >(God, I'm getting tired of this argument...) well, now that i'm down to this point (in the reply), i can see why. this would have been much more 'fun' over a couple of guinesses, n'est-ce pas? but, if we don't agree after this, i say it's pistols at dawn, dammit! vive ferry et vive la resistance de celine dion! mois, je dit *oui*! peaces/ms p.s. - btw, i just contributed to more of ferry's bellpushes & faucets. i bought ALL the remasters - save 'mamouna', 'taxi', 'heart', & 'viva!'. AND the recommendation to HMV was *excellent*! i ordered on friday and got everything yesterday, minus 3 that have also been shipped. so, thanks again for the recommendation! AND thanks to canada for that peso-like *C* dollar ...! thank god for credit ... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 18:48:12 GMT From: "Alexander Byles" Subject: Re: [AVALON] the high road Thanks Mark, I've been on the look out for this video for ages. Alex. >From: "mark shanahan" >Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: [AVALON] the high road >Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:42:07 PST > > > >for those interested in still obtaining a copy of this *video*, i found one >at (of _all_ places ...) www.borders.com. just click video and type in >"roxy music the high road". there's only one version, btw, though - which >is the cheap/non-hi-fi reissue version. on the other hand, it's only >something like $13.50 ... > >peaces/ms >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:08:16 PST From: "mark shanahan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] the high road >From: "Alexander Byles" >Thanks Mark, > >I've been on the look out for this video for ages. > >Alex. hi alex - i actually posted subsequent to that, indicating that border's now says it's "unavailable". i don't know where one can get a copy at this point, but noam in toronto, canada is on the look out ... btw, i meant to have sent the 'condensed' version of my response to ivor, so - - sorry - neither one's too brief. ~:^o peaces/ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:17:07 -0800 From: "eman96" Subject: [AVALON] Mr. Bruce MacQueen Mr. Bruce MacQueen: You are the BOMB sir. Any many mondo zamba thanks thanks thanks! e - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:07:59 EST From: AESYSTON@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] long compilations-oriented rant "What goes on" for me is one of the better tracks on TBSB , far better than his cover of the Velvets "All tomorrows parties" on Taxi. But when is bryan going to get round to doing a version of "Venus in furs" His voice would suit the menace in the song brilliantly.......but then that might delay the new material by several years! - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 21:24:20 -0000 From: "Andy via Hotmail" Subject: Re: [AVALON] the old farts... [v short reply!] mark shanahan wrote: >i understand the need for an audience. Nah! Really? (rhetorical question loaded with sarcasm - which seems to go straight over your head - hence the label to make it easier for you to understand!) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:39:11 PST From: "mark shanahan" Subject: RE: [AVALON] FYP - The Theremin in Exhibition >From: Jocelyn Fiske >Is it just me, or does anyone else find Lecter strangely attractive?? >Jocelyn(having an old friend for dinner) which makes me wonder if chianti sales went up after the release of this fine film. or maybe just liver? peaces/ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:57:50 -0800 From: William Sommers Subject: RE: [AVALON] FYP - The Theremin in Exhibition At 01:39 PM 3/24/00 -0800, mark shanahan wrote: > which makes me wonder if chianti sales went up after the release of > this fine film. or maybe just liver? I just know I was subjected to considerable unsolicited grocery-line interaction when buying fava beans for some time thereafter. -wfs (probably happy not to have been invested in fava futures) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:56:56 PST From: "mark shanahan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] the old farts... [v short reply!] >From: "Andy via Hotmail" > > >i understand the need for an audience. > > >Nah! Really? (rhetorical question loaded with sarcasm - which seems to go >straight over your head - hence the label to make it easier for you to >understand!) wow, thanks andy! so darned nice of you -- and oh, so subtle too! my, my - you're a clever lad, aren't you? by god! rather rapier-like - if'n i do say so myself! i may DIE laughing ... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 23:02:42 -0000 From: "Richard Swift" Subject: [AVALON] Re: LST & Newsletters I have these newsletters and can mail them to you off list if you wish. Like so much Ferry material they make for interesting reading - both looking back at actual events 1993 - date and what didn't come to pass! Regards, Richard - ----- Original Message ----- From: indiedit Subject: Re: LST & Newsletters > Does anyone know if LST is still in print, where it's available, and what > the track list is? > Also: Is there an archive of previous official Jim Lawn newsletters? This > is the first I've heard of it (Thanks, Richard) > -G - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 23:56:13 +0000 From: thom.wallace@net.ntl.com Subject: [AVALON] Tour Dates. Dublin 29th April Gareth McGinley John O'Brien Tom Wallace - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 22:55:16 -0500 From: Noam Bronstein Subject: Re: [AVALON] Tour Dates. Don't forget Oonagh. We're dying to hear how that works out. thom.wallace@net.ntl.com wrote: > Dublin 29th April > Gareth McGinley > John O'Brien > Tom Wallace > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonian Fatal Distraction poll: E-man: misogynist or Methodist? Irene: wounded crank or Glenn Close with a keyboard? Cast your ballots!! ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V5 #123 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest