From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #121 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Thursday, March 23 2000 Volume 05 : Number 121 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Keep an eye on Will... [Kicki Gustafsson > ["eman96" ] Re: [AVALON] Box Sets ["Tim Kendrick" ] Re: [AVALON] Stuff ["Tim Kendrick" ] Re: [AVALON] Stuff ["Robert Whiteford" ] Sv: [AVALON] pearls and swine ["Gitte E. Hollesen" ] Re: [AVALON] long compilations-oriented rant ["Robert Whiteford" ] Re: [AVALON] long compilations-oriented rant [Kicki Gustafsson ] Re: [AVALON] long compilations-oriented rant ["mark shanahan" ] [AVALON] Official newsletter 15 ["Richard Swift" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 12:15:05 +0800 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: [AVALON] Keep an eye on Will... Will Frechette's profile is updated with a cool new photo. Have a look! /Kicki G - --------------------------- Kicki Gustafsson http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (personal homepage) http://www.avalon.pp.se (my Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry-site) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 07:57:10 EST From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] FYP - The Theremin in Exhibition In a message dated 03/22/2000 11:43:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, m_shanahan@hotmail.com writes: << rom: "Gene" >What a coincidence. I`m in the middle of Thomas Harris`s "Hannibal" >(Silence of the Lambs pt. 2) and have just read that Dr. Lecter is a big >fan of the Theremin having built one as a child and just purchased one >built by Theremin himself. > >Gene...with a friend over for dinner and a fine Chianti. boohahahaha! oops - excuse me ... good one, gene. i can see tony hopkins now. a little pre 'dinner' theremin - maybe with an aperitif -- and chianti with *the meal*. ah, yes ... mmmmm - yummy! >> BTW, the movie has been cast with Hopkins again playing Lecter and Julianne Moore as Clarice Starling (Jodie Foster turned the role down). Arnie - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 06:41:31 PST From: "mark shanahan" Subject: [AVALON] long compilations-oriented rant >From: "Robert Whiteford" >due to very interesting posts from Tom Wallace a debate started on Ferry's >profile and the appropriateness of yet another compilation. This is a >subject dear to my heart. it's dear to my heart as well; in that it (the compilation) does not DELAY the release of the original material in any way, shape or form. i agree and tom brought up a good discussion. now - no offense, really - (especially if i'm making some type of unqualified 'blanket' statement ...), but it seems that a LOT of the uk-based listmembers are just *pining* away for ferry to sell, sell, sell. for whatever reason. i find this a bit confounding. i too want him to 'do well', but i would argue that he IS already doing well. IMO, he'd be doing *even better* were he/virgin/powers that be/whatever release the new stuff within a reasonable time frame (read: sooner rather than later). >I cannot believe that Ferry doesn't care about the commercial success of >his work. Ferry surely wants his records to sell. forgive me, but i just do not understand this. i personally don't want ferry to graduate to stadiums and arenas, say, in terms of touring - just as an example. [not that this 'theory' is *any kind* of real threat - now or ever.] nor do i want the average guy on the street to know about ferry - really [see parethetical above]. as a fan, i think i have to be a little bit selfish in this regard. i mean, if you're talking about a modicum of extra sales, which in turn allow ferry to call more of his own shots, give him a better contract, provide more artistic freedom - then WA-HOO! sure, this is a good thing. but to *care* about the "commercial success" ... maybe i'm misunderstanding your idea here ...(?) >One of the best articles I've read on him was in the Sunday Telegraph quite >recently "The serach for glamour". wouldn't mind a link to this, if it's still available. >Well he's not going to find it by not charting with ridiculous >choices of singles released two weeks after all his fans have bought his >album. OK, now this aspect i agree with. if the work is being released and it IS going to be promoted, then a strategic choice of single is just being intelligent about it. i agree - why release a 'lesser' song (in terms of 'single-ability'). but, then - this is often the record co. who is doing this, no? > I'll say it again , - he cocked up badly with Bete Noire. Maybe it's just >a coincidence but those who think sales don't matter to Ferry might want to >consider how his confidence was shaken to the core by the commercial >failure of this LP. well, if this is true, i would say it's sad. sad in that he would pay *that* much attention to what sells. it doesn't seem to have affected his artistic integrity or vision, but definitely bogged him down, then - to be sure. >I agree with Richard Swift, and I cling to the notion that Bryan Ferry will >have a top 10 single in the UK again. again, i find this perplexing, to say the least. you're *clinging* to the notion that he'll have a top 10 single again? why!? you know, like i had mentioned above, if it's to keep his business life with the 'wrecka co.' healthy (meaning *a* contract, some real latitude and the suits out of his face about it), then OK. but otherwise, what's the point? OK, he could play venues that are bigger than 2,000 capacity. this tour proves that. >The worry I have is that Ferry has retained his credibility and continual >releases of packages may damage this - and I still think Virgin haven't >handled him very well. ATGB is a welcome return to the unexpected from >Ferry, and this collection isn't. well, all the compilations certainly rub me the wrong way. on the other hand, i absolutely don't 'blame' bryan - i usually assume it's 'the business' taking precedent. and i don't have to buy it. but as to whether they run the risk of destroying his credibility; i think this would have happened by now, if it were going to. it's quite possible virgin haven't handled him well. i generally subscribe, in large part, to gene's assessment of the industry - so, *OK*. >There is no getting away from the fact that collections would be more >defensible if he had actually made any new records between this one and the >last ! So come on Bryan, just go for it and release the new stuff . hear! hear! peaces/ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 07:21:21 PST From: "mark shanahan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] FYP - The Theremin in Exhibition >From: ASchulberg@aol.com >BTW, the movie has been cast with Hopkins again playing Lecter and Julianne >Moore as Clarice Starling (Jodie Foster turned the role down). oh, no! i was really hoping she'd reprise her role. damn! julianne moore's great, but it won't be the same. ah, well ... peaces/ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:41:19 -0000 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] FYP - The Theremin in Exhibition Do you suppose Lecter's victims get 'repeat' fees ?? Just a thought, Ive. - ----- Original Message ----- From: mark shanahan To: Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] FYP - The Theremin in Exhibition > > > >From: ASchulberg@aol.com > >BTW, the movie has been cast with Hopkins again playing Lecter and Julianne > >Moore as Clarice Starling (Jodie Foster turned the role down). > > oh, no! i was really hoping she'd reprise her role. damn! julianne > moore's great, but it won't be the same. ah, well ... > > peaces/ms > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:44:45 -0000 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] long compilations-oriented rant Mark Shanahan seems determined to insult as many people as possible when he says: > now - no offense, really - followed by: > i personally don't want > ferry to graduate to stadiums and arenas, say, in terms of touring - just as > an example. [not that this 'theory' is *any kind* of real threat - now or > ever.] nor do i want the average guy on the street to know about ferry - > really [see parethetical above]. as a fan, i think i have to be a little > bit selfish in this regard. Now I really do find this offensive... I would suggest you reflect *very* carefully on those words. If it wasn't for the efforts of 'average guys on the street' i.e. money-paying fans, Roxy Music (and Bryan Ferry's career) wouldn't have lasted long enough to enter your life at all, or mine. We are all somebody else's idea of the 'average guy in the street'... So you want Bryan to be 'not-too-poor', 'not-too-successful' but just right FOR YOU ? If everyone took that attitude (and Bryan was foolish enough to listen to it) the Tate Gallery or Reading University would have been Roxy's last gig and the few in attendance would be saying 'oh, it's not the same since that nice Dexter Lloyd left...' I'm certainly not saying I'm in favour of Bryan commercialising his music for the sake of sales. That's a different argument altogether. I don't want him to have hits *at any cost*. FWIW, I think he's already been down that road more times than I care to remember; sometimes I've liked the results, other times I haven't. But I do not resent others taking pleasure in the material I don't happen to like nor would I want this music to remain the elite preserve of some stale collective of old farts who simply want things to 'stay the same' (whatever line in the sand you want to draw this month). I don't like compilations much myself (but that's because I have nearly all of Bryan's recorded output anyway) and NO-ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MINDS wants a compilation to hold back the release of original material, but WHO SAYS IT'S READY ?? In the meantime, material which is already recorded can be brought to the attention to people who don't have every album and single. To paraphrase: I don't want Bryan to drop his standards - I want other people to hear the standard of material he is capable of (new or compiled) and to go buy more of it so he knows and the record company knows how good it is and he can do more like it !!! There, what's wrong with that ? (God, I'm getting tired of this argument...) BTW A final word about compilations, if I may. It occurs to me, in all this *negative* comment about compilations, that no-one has mentioned the one Ferry compilation that any collection wouldn't be complete without - 'Let's Stick Together'. Originally a US-only release, it was only because UK fans bought this on import (at a hefty price, I distinctly remember !) to the point where it charted, that Island released it formally in the UK later that year. Lest you forget, there was only one unreleased track on that album ! So please, no more 'zero-growth' arguments... Regards, Ivor. n.p. 'First Kiss' - tch ! they should never have dropped David O'List...I remember when you could get to see them for fourpence ha'penny, you know... - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:58:17 -0800 From: "eman96" Subject: [AVALON] << what about just "Mothers Of Pearl"? >> << what about just "Mothers Of Pearl"? >> Yes, "Pearl Divers" is already taken by a California all female band. ;-) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:00:23 -0800 From: "eman96" Subject: [AVALON] Sean Connery covering Casanova In light of all the William Shatner sings parody radio commericials here in the states for priceline.com. What if Sean Connery were to cover "Casanova" ? >>>You mean "Mothers Of Peril" don't you? >JF >>That would be the Scottish pronunciation, yes. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:28:33 -0500 From: "Tim Kendrick" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Box Sets > >Tracy, it won't be the last one you ever see. I've seen them from time to time, >but then I admit, I sometimes spend 10+ hours a week looking at used vinyl. ;) >I saw a 20-LP Thelonious Monk box set the other day... now that is pretty rare I >believe, although I'm no jazz expert. (Anyone know what it might be worth?) >Noam Was that The Monk Complete Riverside Recordings? God knows if it's valuable, but it's very very wonderful indeed. The set is still in print on cd. Buy it. Tim >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:31:51 -0500 From: "Tim Kendrick" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Stuff I am almost certain there are no further issues. Tim - -->It is a very nice magazine. As has already been mentioned it is in black >and white. The cover on Number 1 is silver and black with a picture of >Bryan on the front. It talks about the Boys and Girls album inside and >reviews Ferry's solo albums. It has a lot of great black and white >photographs inside. > >If anyone wants to part with any other volumes I would be interested. > : > > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:41:24 -0000 From: "Robert Whiteford" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Stuff yeah I got volume one and never ever saw another. shame because it was excellent. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Kendrick To: Sent: 23 March 2000 19:31 Subject: Re: [AVALON] Stuff > I am almost certain there are no further issues. > > Tim > > > -->It is a very nice magazine. As has already been mentioned it is in black > >and white. The cover on Number 1 is silver and black with a picture of > >Bryan on the front. It talks about the Boys and Girls album inside and > >reviews Ferry's solo albums. It has a lot of great black and white > >photographs inside. > > > >If anyone wants to part with any other volumes I would be interested. > > > : > > > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:07:46 -0500 From: ecwoods@mindspring.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] pearls and swine Heather B. dropped off the list for a little while to get things ready for the little one, which--as those of you who have been pregnant know--is impossible to do if you're plowing through fifty or sixty e-mails a day. I forwarded her the series of messages about her "bell toiling," and she thought it was sweet everyone was thinking of her. No baby as of yet, but she's working on several projects, including making hand-made Dutch baby shoes (her husband is Dutch) and buying out the infant sections of local stores. As soon as I hear something from her about the baby, I'll give all of you the stats (length, weight, etc.). I don't think she's due for another three weeks, but they're often early or late, as you know (mine was a month early). I'll keep you posted. Crystal - ----- Original Message ----- From: Noam Bronstein Subject: Re: [AVALON] pearls and swine > Speaking of which, we've heard nothing from Ms.Buch for a while now, > does anyone know if her bell has tolled? > > -Noam > > > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:15:15 +0100 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] pearls and swine >Heather B. dropped off the list for a little while to get things ready for >the little one, which--as those of you who have been pregnant know--is >impossible to do if you're plowing through fifty or sixty e-mails a day. Why? I didn't have e-mail when I was pregnant, so I relied heavely on Super Nintendo and Zelda. At the last stages of pregnancy all you want to do is sit-down-activities. /Kicki G - delivered in 1993 - ------------------------ Kicki Gustafsson, Östersunds-Posten 063-16 16 51 http://www.op.se http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (privat hemsida) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:31:23 +0100 From: "Gitte E. Hollesen" Subject: Sv: [AVALON] pearls and swine Actually, Heathers husband is danish.... Gitte, Denmark. - ----- Oprindelig meddelelse ----- Fra: Til: Sendt: 23. marts 2000 21:07 Emne: Re: [AVALON] pearls and swine > Heather B. dropped off the list for a little while to get things ready for > the little one, which--as those of you who have been pregnant know--is > impossible to do if you're plowing through fifty or sixty e-mails a day. I > forwarded her the series of messages about her "bell toiling," and she > thought it was sweet everyone was thinking of her. No baby as of yet, but > she's working on several projects, including making hand-made Dutch baby > shoes (her husband is Dutch) and buying out the infant sections of local > stores. As soon as I hear something from her about the baby, I'll give all > of you the stats (length, weight, etc.). I don't think she's due for > another three weeks, but they're often early or late, as you know (mine was > a month early). I'll keep you posted. > > Crystal > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Noam Bronstein Subject: Re: [AVALON] pearls and swine > > > > Speaking of which, we've heard nothing from Ms.Buch for a while now, > > does anyone know if her bell has tolled? > > > > -Noam > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > > http://im.yahoo.com > > > > > > -------------------- > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:36:36 -0000 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] pearls and swine Kicki Gustafsson is just playing games with us all: > Why? I didn't have e-mail when I was pregnant, so I relied heavely on Super > Nintendo and Zelda. > At the last stages of pregnancy all you want to do is sit-down-activities. > > > /Kicki G - delivered in 1993 In today's currency that's N64 and 'Legend of Zelda - Ocarina of Time'. Great for keeping children (and dads) amused... Yours (having beaten off the evil Ganondorf several times before breakfast), Ivor. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:37:48 -0000 From: "Robert Whiteford" Subject: Re: [AVALON] long compilations-oriented rant Mark wrote : > i agree and tom brought up a good discussion. now - no offense, really - > (especially if i'm making some type of unqualified 'blanket' statement ...), > but it seems that a LOT of the uk-based listmembers are just *pining* away > for ferry to sell, sell, sell. for whatever reason. i find this a bit > confounding. i too want him to 'do well', but i would argue that he IS > already doing well That's because we live in a country where Bryan Ferry is famous and was, between 72 and 85 , consistently an artist who made brilliant music AND enjoyed massive chart success. Do you know how many Roxy Music or Ferry albums have failed to reach the top 20 in the UK ? About as many as have made it into the Billboard Top 20 I should think (ie none). So maybe you never miss what you never had. But this was always based on single success eg Love is the Drug (no 2 ) , Dance Away (2) , Angeleyes (5) , Oh Yeah (5), Over You (5), Street Life (9), Slave to Love (10), Let's Stick Together (4??), All I want is You (top 10), Virginia Plain(4), The price of love ep ( was it 9?) , Editions of You (Top 10), Hard Rain (9),The in Crowd (can't remember), Pyjamarama (Top 10), Spell on You (18), This is Tomorrow (9), Tokyo Joe (15) , More than this (6) , Avalon (top 20)........glamour indeed.......so you'll appreciate that Your Painted Smile (52) , Mamouna (56??), and then As Time Goes By (non chart) didn't exactly put right the Bete Noire flops of Right Stuff (37) , Kiss and Tell (43) and Limbo (non chart). > >One of the best articles I've read on him was in the Sunday Telegraph quite > >recently "The serach for glamour". > wouldn't mind a link to this, if it's still available. Not good on that sort of thing (Kicki??) but if you send your address I'll post the article if you like. Rob - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:59:27 +0100 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] pearls and swine >Kicki Gustafsson is just playing games with us all: > >> Why? I didn't have e-mail when I was pregnant, so I relied heavely on >Super >> Nintendo and Zelda. >> At the last stages of pregnancy all you want to do is sit-down-activities. >> >> >> /Kicki G - delivered in 1993 > >In today's currency that's N64 and 'Legend of Zelda - Ocarina of Time'. >Great for keeping children (and dads) amused... I know, I _know_ dear, that was my Xmas-present to my husband in 1998. I still haven't played Zelda though, only Super Mario. I think I've had my share of Zelda... /Princess Toadstool - ------------------------ Kicki Gustafsson, Östersunds-Posten 063-16 16 51 http://www.op.se http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (privat hemsida) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:01:42 +0100 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] long compilations-oriented rant > >Not good on that sort of thing (Kicki??) but if you send your address I'll >post the article if you like. > >Rob Ooopps! You meant snailmail?! /K - ------------------------ Kicki Gustafsson, Östersunds-Posten 063-16 16 51 http://www.op.se http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (privat hemsida) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:01:16 +0100 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] long compilations-oriented rant > >One of the best articles I've read on him was in the Sunday Telegraph >quite >> >recently "The serach for glamour". >> wouldn't mind a link to this, if it's still available. > >Not good on that sort of thing (Kicki??) but if you send your address I'll >post the article if you like. > >Rob I searched for the article on the Telegraph website but couldn't find it. Feel free to mail me in private, Robbie. /Kicki - ------------------------ Kicki Gustafsson, Östersunds-Posten 063-16 16 51 http://www.op.se http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (privat hemsida) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:08:00 -0800 (PST) From: Noam Bronstein Subject: Re: [AVALON] Box Sets Yeah, but it's not the original Riverside 022 box - it's a 1983 Italian reissue by "Fonit Cetra". The LP's sound very good, I'm just not sure it's worth the $$. It's Monk at his best though, from what I've read. (I don't think I've seen too many discographies longer than this guy's, check him out on www.allmusic.com, holy smokes what a resume) Noam - ---- Tim Kendrick wrote: Was that The Monk Complete Riverside Recordings? God knows if it's valuable, but it's very very wonderful indeed. The set is still in print on cd. Buy it. Tim ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:14:30 PST From: "mark shanahan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] long compilations-oriented rant >From: "Robert Whiteford" >That's because we live in a country where Bryan Ferry is famous and was, >between 72 and 85 , consistently an artist who made brilliant music AND >enjoyed massive chart success. Do you know how many Roxy Music or Ferry >albums have failed to reach the top 20 in the UK ? About as many as have >made it into the Billboard Top 20 I should think (ie none). So maybe you >never miss what you never had. thanks, rob. i'm sure it's exactly that i 'don't miss what i never had'. thank you for enlightening the ignorant american! >so you'll appreciate that Your Painted Smile (52) , Mamouna (56??), and >then As Time Goes By (non chart) didn't exactly put right the Bete Noire >flops of Right Stuff (37) , Kiss and Tell (43) and Limbo (non chart). well, that IS quite the difference. i mean - i've always known that he was an institution in the UK, but no - i didn't know the chart history for singles. nor, did i realize it was that massive. so, thanks again. > > >One of the best articles I've read on him was in the Sunday > > >Telegraph quite recently "The serach for glamour". > > wouldn't mind a link to this, if it's still available. >Not good on that sort of thing (Kicki??) but if you send your address I'll >post the article if you like. will send. thanks. peaces/ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:19:50 -0500 From: "Gene" Subject: Re: [AVALON] long compilations-oriented rant - -----Original Message----- From: Ivor Canning To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Thursday, March 23, 2000 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] long compilations-oriented rant >I'm certainly not saying I'm in favour of Bryan commercialising his music >for the sake of sales. That's a different argument altogether. I don't >want him to have hits *at any cost*. I think this was the gist of what Mark was trying to say, where the *average guy on the street* being the Ricky Martin/vile Cher crowd who only buy according to what the music rags consider hep at the time. That`s the way I took it, anyway. > >BTW A final word about compilations, if I may. It occurs to me, in all this >*negative* comment about compilations, that no-one has mentioned the one >Ferry compilation that any collection wouldn't be complete without - 'Let's >Stick Together'. No one brought up LST because LST was not a "right off the albums" compilation/"best of". They were completely different versions. Gene - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:24:22 -0000 From: "Richard Swift" Subject: [AVALON] Official newsletter 15 Here is the text of Jim lawn's latest newsletter. Much has been reported here recently (in response to a request to do so by Jim) but it may be useful to some who may have missed recent postings. Regards, Richard Bryan Ferry Information Service, P0 Box 829, Dumbarton 082 1 BG SCOTLAND Newsletter 15 As many of you will know Bryan is off to South Africa soon following a successful European Tour. I joined him at the beginning of the tour in Scandinavia, making my second visit to Oslo in two months. The set is essentially the same as the UK tour except for recently when "Oh Yeah" was added. A number of other songs have been suggested but have not yet been added to the set. It seems likely that at least two other new songs will be in place for the two UK dates in April (Portsmouth Guildhall 10th and Royal Albert Hall 11th). It seems likely that Bryan will continue touring through to the end of the summer. Dates are being added all the time and this may prove to be the most extensive tour Bryan has ever undertaken. Additional confirmed dates are as follows: 26th April Cardiff, UK 27th April St Austell, UK 29th April Dublin, Ireland 4th May Helsinki, Finland 6th May St. Petersburg, Russia 23rd June Petworth Park, UK For full details of confirmed dates and venues: www.bryanferry.com The following are a couple of releases which may be of interest to collectors: In Sweden there is a one-off release called "Slave To Love The Very Best Of The Ballads" . The track listing is as follows: Slave To Love, Jealous Guy, Oh Yeah, I'm In The Mood For Love, Avalon, Smoke Gets In Your Eyes, Is Your Love Strong Enough?, More Than This, Falling In Love Again, Crazy Love, Will You Love Me Tomorrow, Just Like You, Your Painted Smile, To Turn You On, He'll Have To Go, Zamba, Windswept, My Only Love. It is likely we will produce a world wide version of this album later this year. Also look out for the soundtrack album to the new Kevin Spacey film "Ordinary Decent Criminal" which includes Bryan's reinterpretation of "Mother Of Pearl" (East West Records). This song was originally recorded for the "Horoscope album". It features performances from MaceQ Parker on Saxophone and Ronnie Spector (The Ronnettes) on Backing Vocals. We are still on track to release Bryan's Box Set later this year. Indeed I have been given a firm release date for November the 7thl There will also be a compilation of early Roxy Music to coincide with a major BBC drama series "Street Life". The release date is early August. Please keep sending stamped addressed envelopes (UK) and three international reply coupons (Rest of World) for further information. Jim Lawn - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:56:54 -0500 From: ecwoods@mindspring.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] pearls and swine Drat! I knew that! It appears I "dumbed out" momentarily. I sent the message, then suddenly had the feeling I'd given the wrong "D" word. Dutch? Danish? Uh-oh. . . . Apologies to the husband, Heather--(as I will forward these)-- Crystal - ----- Original Message ----- From: Gitte E. Hollesen To: Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 3:31 PM Subject: Sv: [AVALON] pearls and swine > Actually, Heathers husband is danish.... > > Gitte, Denmark. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:26:10 -0000 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] long compilations-oriented rant Gene replies to Ivor's rant: > >I'm certainly not saying I'm in favour of Bryan commercialising his music > >for the sake of sales. That's a different argument altogether. I don't > >want him to have hits *at any cost*. > > > I think this was the gist of what Mark was trying to say, where the *average > guy on the street* being the Ricky Martin/vile Cher crowd who only buy > according to what the music rags consider hep at the time. That`s the way I > took it, anyway. There's a huge difference between: a) Bryan 'dumbing down' his songs by writing material specifically to appeal to a (largely fictitious) lowest common denominator audience and b) letting the 'Ricky Martin/vile Cher' crowd hear songs like 'Let's Stick Together', 'Avalon' which they might well like and get a taste for and maybe (just maybe) go on to dip their toes in the really dangerous waters of some early Roxy. It *is* possible to be successful and artistically credible at the same time. Roxy are IMO the *only* band to have successfully pulled it off. 'For Your Pleasure' remains one of the most challenging albums of 1973 (if not the whole decade) and was a number 3 hit in the UK. Why ? Because people were exposed to Roxy Music through the charts so they gave it a listen, and some of them stayed. What I took Mark's comments to say (or have I really misread them ?) was that exposure to a larger audience was undesirable. I happen to think that's elitist snobbery and ultimately counterproductive. If you really want to change the 'Ricky Martin/vile Cher' mentality, give people something more interesting to listen to. > >BTW A final word about compilations, if I may. It occurs to me, in all > this > >*negative* comment about compilations, that no-one has mentioned the one > >Ferry compilation that any collection wouldn't be complete without - 'Let's > >Stick Together'. > > No one brought up LST because LST was not a "right off the albums" > compilation/"best of". They were completely different versions. No. 'Let's Stick Together' is a *compilation* of what were then relatively recent UK singles and B-sides, including 'Extended Play' (none of which were exactly hard to get hold of) together with the unreleased version of 'Casanova'. The key point here is that, in the UK, none of the material on that album was rare or unreleased (except 'Casanova') but people still felt strongly enough to buy it on import and make a hit out of it, which in turn exposed the music to countless number of new fans. Regards, Ivor. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:31:36 -0500 From: ecwoods@mindspring.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] pearls and swine From what I could tell, her absence is due mostly to lack of energy. She likes to answer thoroughly and thoughtfully, as you have probably noticed, and it's difficult to do that when she's exhausted. It takes a lot energy to make a baby. :>) Plus, the messages really pile up, and if she couldn't get around to reading them (and the first several days after delivery she wouldn't), it would probably stress her out. Many new mothers feel overwhelmed, like there's always someone or something clamoring for their attention. To keep her sanity, I think, Heather's just removing one of those things. I'll miss her input around here, but I think she's doing the right thing. When the baby's on a regular sleeping schedule and she has a grip on motherhood, I expect to see her in the list again. The first few weeks--even months--can be brutal, especially if it's the first one. Everything's turned upside-down, as most people know. I don't blame her for wanting to "cocoon" herself in her apartment to rest and focus her (limited) energies on her family exclusively. I wish I had been able to do that myself. I'm hoping she'll be back soon. Crystal - ----- Original Message ----- From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] pearls and swine > >Heather B. dropped off the list for a little while to get things ready for > >the little one, which--as those of you who have been pregnant know--is > >impossible to do if you're plowing through fifty or sixty e-mails a day. > > Why? I didn't have e-mail when I was pregnant, so I relied heavely on Super > Nintendo and Zelda. > At the last stages of pregnancy all you want to do is sit-down-activities. > > > /Kicki G - delivered in 1993 > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:59:56 -0800 From: William Sommers Subject: Re: [AVALON] long compilations-oriented rant At 10:26 PM 3/23/00 +0000, Ivor Canning wrote: > No. 'Let's Stick Together' is a *compilation* of what were then > relatively recent UK singles and B-sides, including 'Extended Play' > (none of which were exactly hard to get hold of) together with the > unreleased version of 'Casanova'. Um... I have an import (UK origin) 45 of "What Goes On" b/w "Casanova" -- are you saying that LST came first? And that the only new song was subsequently relegated to release as a mere B-side? It's the second part which seems to make little, if any, sense. Though I suppose if it was WGO which was the novelty cover item being promoted at the time, and Casanova used as the B-side to push sales... *shrug* -wfs (obviously not the discographer in the crowd) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:13:10 GMT From: "Tracy Connell" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Box Sets Thank you Richard, and John too for all your information. I'll know now to look out for box sets when I go to the car boot sales and second hand record shops. I didn't realise there had been that many sets released. Well, there's more than I imagined anyway. Thanks again, Tracy. >From: "Richard Swift" >Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org >To: >Subject: Re: [AVALON] Box Sets >Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 00:29:22 -0000 > >Tracy - > >The first seven Roxy albums (on vinyl) were issued as a boxed set (no >booklets or fancy artwork) c.1981. Since then there have been a few CD >boxed sets that bring together various studio albums but again, all you're >getting is the box - nothing like the deluxe "The Thrill Of It All" >package. >The first 3 Roxy albums on CD and separately the first 3 solo albums were >released as picture disk CDs in 1992. Prior to that there were 3 other >boxed sets released to commemorate the 20th anniversary of Island Records. >These were Roxy 'Early' and 'Later' Years plus BF solo. Each contained 3 >studio albums plus an anniversary compilation featuring artists from the >label, including Ferry / Roxy. > >I think there's also a fairly rare (import?) boxed set that a few people on >this list know about (come in JO'B) but which passed me by at the time. > >The "Manifesto" picture disk on vinyl wasn't rare at the time of release >and >can still be found on some internet sites but realistically it's pretty >hard >to come by now. It's not mega - valuable but is occassionally cited as a >Roxy rarity with a value somewhat higher than the rest of the back >catalogue >so if you can get hold of a decent copy at a decent price it's probably >worth it. The sound quality of picture CDs back then was often slated but >on probably the only occassion I played mine it sounded pretty good. > >Regards, > >Richard > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Tracy Connell >Subject: [AVALON] Box Sets > > > > I've only been a fan of Bryan since the Boys and Girls album and haven't > > kept up to date with all releases pre-Mamouna. Does anyone know of any >box > > sets released besides 'Thrill of it all'? And would they still be >available? > > Also, I've been collecting second-hand vinyl Roxy Albums over the last > > couple of years. I recently saw a picture disk of the Manifesto album. >Is > > this very rare? (I didn't buy). > > Thanks, > > Tracy. > > > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V5 #121 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest