From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #112 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Friday, March 17 2000 Volume 05 : Number 112 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Worst "support" band ["Simon Galloway" ] Re: [AVALON] Support bands ["Ivor Canning" ] Re: [AVALON] Support bands [JFROXY@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Support bands ["Simon Galloway" ] RE: [AVALON] Re-establishing Another Long Anti-Record Company Rant ["Ujva] Re: [AVALON] Support bands [Daniel Atterbom ] Re: [AVALON] Brand names (or *buy virgin!*)rant ["mark shanahan" ] Re: [AVALON] Support bands ["mark shanahan" ] Re: [AVALON] Support bands ["Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest" ] Re: [AVALON] Re: La Perla [Peter Dewey ] Re: [AVALON] Re: La Perla [William Sommers ] Re: [AVALON] Re: La Perla [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] Brand names. [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] Support bands [jspellma ] [AVALON] Avalon update [Kicki Gustafsson ] Re: [AVALON] Slave to love ["Tracy Connell" ] RE: [AVALON] Support bands [Karen Roth ] Re: [AVALON] Support bands ["Victor Hastings" ] [AVALON] "B" sides [AESYSTON@aol.com] [AVALON] Market Profile. [thom.wallace@net.ntl.com] Re: [AVALON] "B" sides [ecwoods@mindspring.com] Re: [AVALON] Re: La Perla [William Sommers ] Re: [AVALON] Re-establishing Another Long Anti-Record Company Rant ["Deco] [AVALON] RE : 'B' Sides ["Johnny Reece" ] [AVALON] RE : Brand name ? ["Johnny Reece" ] Re: [AVALON] RE : Brand name ? [AESYSTON@aol.com] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 09:31:53 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Worst "support" band Nice, they sound like a loaf of sliced bread. Were they as interesting? >>> "eman96" 03/17 4:35 am >>> Mother's Finest, opening for BF in 77. e - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 10:09:30 -0000 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Support bands Andrew in Evanston took a walk down Terminal Street with these words: > I once went to see the BOC specifically because of their opening act at the > time: > BeBop DeLuxe. (Did I capitolize that properly?) > The BOC audience HATED them. Kept booing and yelling out "Rock and Roll!" > Bill Nelson, obviously pissed off, cut off a song midway through and asked > "You want rock and roll?" Then he launched into a blistering version of "No > Trains to Heaven." > Stunning. Burned the house down. Amazing. > The BOC audience loved it, cheered, stomped, clapped. > Mr Nelson looked out at his new converts and said :"Fucking Wankers." And > stormed off the stage. > So far as I know that was the only time Bebop played near me. Pathetic, isn't it ? What makes so-called 'fans' of one band feel so insecure they have to behave aggressively towards another in this way ? Shame they couldn't find better ways to channel their non-creative energies. Still, this sort of experience helped shape 'Modern Music', so at least Bill managed to transform a crock of one sort into another. Bill Nelson is one of the all-time great guitarists, and a smart lyricist too. A shame idiots like this helped to bury the brilliant Be Bop Deluxe before their time... Regards, Ivor. 'You came to watch the band to see us play our parts We hoped you'd lend an ear, You hoped we'd dress like tarts' Axe Victim. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 07:35:27 EST From: JFROXY@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Support bands In a message dated 17/03/00 10:10:36 GMT Standard Time, ivor.canning@cwcom.net writes: << Bill Nelson is one of the all-time great guitarists, and a smart lyricist too. A shame idiots like this helped to bury the brilliant Be Bop Deluxe before their time... >> I remember seeing Be-Bop Deluxe a few times at the Glasgow Apollo, the last time would have been in 1978 when the were supported by "Punk Poet" John Cooper Clarke, he was absolutely crucified by the audience, which must have been frightening in Glasgow. The best support band I saw were Icehouse, this was before they were a Roxy tribute band and actually reminded me of Bowie, they opened for they ridicoulously overblown arseholes Simple Minds at the Apollo. JF - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:01:13 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Support bands >>> 03/17 12:35 pm >>> >the ridicoulously overblown arseholes Simple Minds Ah, pure poetry! I can't recollect many support bands. The dj John Kennedy was very good before Bowie at the Astoria last year, lots of Iggy, Kinks, Who, Death In Vegas. Is a dj the same? Beth Orton was pathetic when she supported Paul Weller in Bournemouth about 5 years ago. It was before anyone knew who she was, and it was just her and a guitar, sat on a chair singing into her chest. And Paul Weller went on too long as well, it was the Heavy Soul tour and every song was extended with a big wanky guitar solo. I saw Talvin Singh somewhere once, and all that drumnbass gives me a headache anyway. Oh, Matthew Sweet supporting Del Amitri in 1992 - both were excellent. And the one that never happened.....Bowie supported by Morrissey in 1995. Mozzer pulled out and the hole was filled by some dull indie band The Gyres. Yawn........but Bowie gave the best performance I've ever seen him give. As for Bryan, he's never had a support when I've seen him, and I was too young to go Roxy shows. I'd like to have seen Wire though, back in '79. A good combination. SimonG - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 08:11:50 -0500 From: "Ujvary, Richard A." Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re-establishing Another Long Anti-Record Company Rant With your 50's and 60's group mentions, there's also was this whole "truth in personnel" bit which isn't a problem now with Roxy but as they say, you never know! With tongue in cheek I'd say everybody has to be vigilant that when Ferry tours we'll know that he's the real "Bryan" and not a clone! You can see this stuff going on with the doo-wop groups. You're made to believe that they're the originals when in fact they aren't the real guys. With records, I got faked out once when I bought an album made by "Gary Lewis and the Playboys". I'd swear you'd think the record inside was by the real band. Uh.. they were no playboys and I wonder how Mr.Lewis let'em record his stuff. Rich - -----Original Message----- From: Rod LeCloux [mailto:rlecloux@execpc.com] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 11:13 PM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re-establishing Another Long Anti-Record Company Rant In the "music" world it is No different. I think we all know the stories about the 50's & 60's artists not getting their royalties. I agree that it's not right but I could list examples of every industry that manipulates their employees. Anyways, I'm done for now...... - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 14:48:09 +0100 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Support bands At 21.03 +0100 0-03-16, mark shanahan wrote: >saw queen in '76 w/thin lizzy - that was quite a show, ha ...! The guitarist in Thin Lizzy, can't remember his name, walked out as far as he could and did a solo with his guitar behind his back. He was told by Queen's management not to do that again. Phil Lynnott (is that spelled right?) told me in 1981 that it was hard to tour with Queen beacuse Freddy Mercury liked men and he liked women. The boys will never be back in town. :-) Daniel - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 06:31:27 PST From: "mark shanahan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Brand names (or *buy virgin!*)rant >From: thom.wallace@net.ntl.com >It's just a shame that at a time when Bryan has a higher profile than he >has for years that one of these albums is due especially as there is a >studio album waiting to be released, a box set to be issued and the >remastering of the back cataloge having just been completed. hear! hear! the problem, OF COURSE, being that the 'current' & alleged album of originals (let's just say the one we've been hearing about, in various states, since 'mamouna') will no doubt be DELAYED as a result. well, unless the suits are in rare form ... in which case, i would *suppose* anything goes. this thought makes me somewhat *livid* - not that that does any good - - but all the same ... and then, this leads to whether ferry does indeed have a current label for a new album of originals. wasn't 'atgb' w/virgin germany? or is my b-vitamin deficient memory failing me again(?). and, i'm _assuming_ that the boxed set & best-of comp are from a previous contract, then ...? >It may well be the smart thing to hold out and see if the "Slave To >Love" album does get a wider release as it may well be re-modeled with a >couple of un-released songs to help it appeal more to the die hard fan >rather than the super market shopper. i'm sorry, this whole idea just sux. i mean, if the originals are not delayed, and it DOES in fact promote ferry's name & rep for the better - great! but these inside agendas for $$$ (that gene so poignantly described [thanks gene]) just don't exactly figure the avalon community at large, nor ferry into the final mix at all. and i'm GLAD things are changing within the spider-like 'industry'. because it's a wonder things have gone even as well as they have up until now ... super market shopper or die hard fan, bring on the real deal (which is NOT our boxed set/best-of comp ... peaces/ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 06:43:22 PST From: "mark shanahan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re-establishing Another Long Anti-Record Company Rant >From: "Rod LeCloux" >Artists always have the option of starting a label like Robert Fripp did >with DGM. I would say he is a pioneer in this area. i have mixed feelings about fripp, from what i know about him. as an artist, though, i think he's great. at any rate, wasn't he favored in the outcome of his legal battles with - was it - EMI? i thought he'd at least gained some ground over them ... i know it was rather drawn out as well. anyone know what the eventual outcome was? i like the fact that he started DGM, though. more of that, please. peaces/ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 09:53:59 EST From: Gal410@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Support Bands I have seen so many awful opening bands, I can't even remember their names. I have also seen Roseanne Barr at Mad. Sq. Garden as an opener at a concert get booed off stage. I saw Rosie O'Donnell open at another concert. She did not fare as bad as Roseanne. More memorable, I saw Buckwheat Zydeco open for Bryan Ferry in the late 80's. They are a very good cajun/blues band. Last summer, I saw Collective Soul open for the Cranberries (though they were a double billing). Both bands gave great perfomances. I think Collective Soul are another group that is underrated. While I am on the summer of '99, I also saw Duran Duran in concert. They were fantastic. Simon LeBon's voice was better than ever! He looked great, too..They really gave it their All... .....Hoping BF comes back to States for a few more dates this year... Wish I could be at the Portsmouth show, as it is on my Birthday! Heidi - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 09:54:11 EST From: AMeyersLD@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Support bands In a message dated 3/17/00 7:05:27 AM, SIMONG@jazzfm.com writes: << As for Bryan, he's never had a support when I've seen him, and I was too young to go Roxy shows. I'd like to have seen Wire though, back in '79. A good combination. >> In this part of the states we had heard a lot of hype about Wire, but the opening act proved to be The Atlantics. A freind of mine who saw the show with me makes a point of always trying to say something nice. His take on the Atlantics: "Well, they have deeper voices than most rocksingers...." Andrew In Evanston (Mourning the loss of the best independant music store in town.) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 15:19:54 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: [AVALON] Re: La Perla Can I be the first to suggest that the new "Pearl" is an improvement on the classic. From the the sublime to the even more sublime. Mmmmmmartino - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 07:48:33 PST From: "mark shanahan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Support bands >From: AMeyersLD@aol.com >I once went to see the BOC specifically because of their opening act at the >time: BeBop DeLuxe. (Did I capitolize that properly?) >The BOC audience HATED them. Kept booing and yelling out " >Rock and Roll!" Bill Nelson, obviously pissed off, cut off a song midway >through and asked "You want rock and roll?" Then he launched into a >blistering version of "No Trains to Heaven." >Stunning. Burned the house down. Amazing. >The BOC audience loved it, cheered, stomped, clapped. >Mr Nelson looked out at his new converts and said :"Fucking Wankers." And >stormed off the stage. ah, good for bill. i only wish that be-bop had been the opener for the tour i saw. and, unfortunately, this speaks ill of boc, in terms of 'guilt by association'. i think a lot of the concert-goers were there because they thought boc so *cool*, not because of the various themes running through their music and lyrics. i mean, i'm sure they appealed to the ... uh, motorcycle 'club' contingent, etc. for their heavy-metalness, spectrally arcane - almost nihilist preoccupation with mortality, etc. not that you should be offended, were any of you members of such a club ... peace/ms (who btw, is now done with boc thread, thanks.) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 17:05:43 +0100 From: "Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Support bands > > In a message dated 3/17/00 7:05:27 AM, SIMONG@jazzfm.com writes: > > << As for Bryan, he's never had a support when I've seen him, and I was too > young to go Roxy shows. I'd like to have seen Wire though, back in '79. A > good combination. >> > > In this part of the states we had heard a lot of hype about Wire, but the > opening act proved to be The Atlantics. I saw them and as most of the rest of the audience I didn't liked them. These guys took themselves so serious with there "we're intellectuals attitude" Brrr... no humour, a-sexual. Cold...not cool. In 1981 the Original Mirrors opened and I really liked them. Nice cover of 'reflections' they did. Good story about KC and the Sunshineband, Gene. That's the way, ah ah, I like it, ah ah. Uriah Heep, Nazareth and KC in one show. LOL . Remembered me of the time I shared one Room with my two brothers: the fist one loved Deep Purple, the second one Jim Reeves and I BF. And my brother in the room next to us played from early in the morning till late in the evening Bob Dylan. It's time for Bryan to cover Smoke On The Water.) Cheers Han - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 11:15:11 EST From: AMeyersLD@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Perfect Ferry Venue... - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:34:33 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] Re: La Perla Blasphemer! How can that be? How dare you even suggest!!! .....actually, I haven't heard it yet. I refuse to pay £14 for one track, so I'm waiting till I either see it second hand, or my fave cd shop MR CD down Berwick Street, London, W1 has it in - every cd £10 or less, cash only - no cards, no cheques, no questions. GEDDIT! The same goes for that Billion Dollar Hotel soundtrack. SimonG >>> "Martin Stockman" 03/17 2:19 pm >>> Can I be the first to suggest that the new "Pearl" is an improvement on the classic. From the the sublime to the even more sublime. Mmmmmmartino - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:41:31 +0000 From: Peter Dewey Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: La Perla I went into my local Virgin Megastore to listen on the headphones (MOP is BOUND to be a b-side or on a compilation or the forthcoming release) and whilst it's unmistakably post-Roxy Ferry, I cannot see it as an improvement on the original. Of course, I am a bit of a pre 1979 bust-up dinosaur! In message , Martin Stockman writes > >Can I be the first to suggest that the new "Pearl" is an improvement on the >classic. From the the sublime to the even more sublime. > >Mmmmmmartino > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > - -- Peter Dewey - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 09:16:30 -0800 From: William Sommers Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: La Perla At 03:19 PM 3/17/00 +0100, Martin Stockman wrote: > Can I be the first to suggest that the new "Pearl" is an improvement > on the classic. From the the sublime to the even more sublime. Song yet unheard, if it's anything even remotely similar in style to the (per Tom Wallace) "original 9min." version I've heard, I'm already going to have to violently disagree. -wfs (arrogantly and unjustifiably brimming with confidence on this one) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:03:25 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: La Perla On Fri, 17 Mar 2000, William Sommers wrote: > At 03:19 PM 3/17/00 +0100, Martin Stockman wrote: > > > Can I be the first to suggest that the new "Pearl" is an improvement > > on the classic. From the the sublime to the even more sublime. > > Song yet unheard, if it's anything even remotely similar in style to the > (per Tom Wallace) "original 9min." version I've heard, I'm already going to > have to violently disagree. Well, then again, if it's SHORTER, then it might be an improvement, albeit slight, over the "original 9 m" remake, no? Colleen (brimming with her usual confidence) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:58:29 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Brand names. In addition to Gene's comments, I have these: On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 thom.wallace@net.ntl.com wrote: > If the idea of seeing Roxy/Ferry quoted as a brand name too bad. How > else would you categorize/market their output? Because of the diversity > of musical styles that appeared on the albums from '72 until present day > it's near impossible to find any one word that describes it in total. > Btw, it wasn't I who first described Roxy in this way it was Phil > Manzanera in a recent interview for the BBC. I realized it wasn't your phrase, Tom, and that you were just reporting stuff back to us. And I do appreciate that very much. > At times I get the feeling that there is a very inward looking section > on this mailing list. For one I take great enjoyment in bringing the "Inward looking?" Hmmm. I'd call it the common sense section. I mean, I'd love for Mr. Ferry to have a larger audience. However, I don't see how compilation albums of material which is 10-15 (and in some cases, 20-25) years old is going to garner AND sustain (which IS the key part, no?) a younger audience, especially when the new material, if it is ever released that is, will no doubt be so unlike the compilations they will allegedly be buying in droves. Not to mention the fact that it's not like the new album is going to come out immediately on the heels of these re-releases this summer, right? So will there have to be yet another round of "advertising" with even more re-releases before that album comes out? I don't mean for this to reduce this to absurdity, but, you know, it's not all that difficult to do so. > public eye for large periods of time. More to the point what profile > would the Ferry/Roxy name have if there had be no compilations issued? But did these raise the profile any significant level and for any significant length of time? And at this point, what is the point of such things (except The Almighty Dollar)? > It may well be the smart thing to hold out and see if the "Slave To > Love" album does get a wider release as it may well be re-modeled with a > couple of un-released songs to help it appeal more to the die hard fan > rather than the super market shopper. But in that case why not just put those on the box set instead of squeezing the die hard fans--who have consistently supported the band--yet again? Would that someone who was really in the know would step forward... Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 14:11:48 -0500 From: jspellma Subject: Re: [AVALON] Support bands In the early 80's I played in a local band called Rockkit (not to be confused w/ The Rockets) that made a few records that didn't do too well, but still we got local airplay and some gigs opening for national headliners. My worst experience was getting a last minute gig opening for Sammy Haggar. The opening act's singer had throat problems, so we got the call. The place was about 60% full which was still about 10,000 people when we went on. Little did we know, more than half those people were there to see the opener, Krokus, a metal band w/ cult following. We were introduced, "sorry, but Krokus couldn't make it tonight...so here's Rockkit!" Gee thanks.We were nearly booed off the stage w/out playing a single note. I could barely hear the music under all the boos and swears. Chicken wire would have come in handy. About half way through they finally warmed up to us, but only after getting pelted with ice, coins, batteries, shoes etc..and our singer cracked a nut after slipping on some ice too (ouch), it was very ugly. Jim - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 20:48:05 +0800 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: [AVALON] Avalon update http://www.avalon.pp.se is updated again - with the profiles of European members Pierluigi Marchetti and Thom Wallace. Check them out. There are now 69 members of the Avalonlist who are profiled at my Avalonsite - who will be number 70? /Kicki G, Webmistress - --------------------------- Kicki Gustafsson http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (personal homepage) http://www.avalon.pp.se (my Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry-site) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 20:51:54 GMT From: "Tracy Connell" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Slave to love Thanks for the reply Richard, I check out what HMV can do and perhaps get in touch with Key Mail order. I hadn't heard of Key Mail Order so thanks for the tip! I also take your point about including other songs on the Slave to Love release. There are perhaps some others that could have been there. cheers, Tracy. >From: "Richard Swift" >Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org >To: >Subject: Re: [AVALON] Slave to love >Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 01:40:33 -0000 > >Tracy > >As for availability in the UK ahead of the release in November, some larger >branches of HMV and Virgin occassionally have imports in stock but nowhere >near as much as they did years ago. You may be able to order it >specifically but I'm sure you'll be able to get it over the Internet and >I'd >be very surprised if Key Mail Order didn't get hold of a supply. You can >get yourself on a free Bryan Ferry / Roxy Music Priority Mailing List >(conventional mail, not e-mail) and they're very good at sending out >advance >notification of releases at very competetive prices. You can visit their >website and e-mail them with queries at >https://shop.keymailorder.com/index.html > >Regards, > >Richard > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Tracy Connell >To: >Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 10:59 PM >Subject: Re: [AVALON] Slave to love > > > > Thanks for the track list of Slave To Love Kicki, > > > > Slave To Love is my favourite song anyway, but it's great to see 'He'll >have > > to go' and 'Your Painted Smile' on there. I know it's another 'best of' > > release, but it looks good to me. Does anyone else like the look of it? > > > > Does anyone know if music stores in the UK will be able to import it? > > > > Tracy. > > > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 11:00:47 -0900 From: Karen Roth Subject: RE: [AVALON] Support bands Jim, What did you play in the band Rockkit and are you still doing any of that? Where was your band from? Just curious, K Jim wrote: In the early 80's I played in a local band called Rockkit (not to be confused w/ The Rockets) that made a few records that didn't do too well, but still we got local airplay and some gigs opening for national headliners. My worst experience was getting a last minute gig opening for Sammy Haggar. The opening act's singer had throat problems, so we got the call. The place was about 60% full which was still about 10,000 people when we went on. Little did we know, more than half those people were there to see the opener, Krokus, a metal band w/ cult following. We were introduced, "sorry, but Krokus couldn't make it tonight...so here's Rockkit!" Gee thanks.We were nearly booed off the stage w/out playing a single note. I could barely hear the music under all the boos and swears. Chicken wire would have come in handy. About half way through they finally warmed up to us, but only after getting pelted with ice, coins, batteries, shoes etc..and our singer cracked a nut after slipping on some ice too (ouch), it was very ugly. Jim - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:01:33 -0600 From: "Victor Hastings" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Support bands my worst concert experience occurred while i was in college in north carolina. one weekend i drove to charlotte (about 90 miles away from my campus) to visit my grandparents, aunt, uncle & cousin. when i arrived my aunt informed me that my cousin and her boyfriend were going to a concert that evening and that she had bought me a ticket because she didn't want me to be left out. the headliner? foreigner. the opening act was a group called blackfoot who had a minor hit in the late 70s called 'train, train.' (this is late 70s stuff.) i couldn't hurt my aunt's feeling so i wound up going to this concert and enduring an hour of blackfoot (naturally they played 'train, train' _last_), then suffering through two hours of foreigner. in this case the opening act was as execrable as the main act, so i apologize for straying off topic, but this thread has stirred up some appalling memories. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 17:12:18 EST From: AESYSTON@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] "B" sides I've just been listening to "the thrill" box set and it reminded me of how good even roxy's b-sides were. "numberer" "pride etc." and particually "Your applications failed" when iwent to puchase the then new single "love is the drug" i asked the shop owner to play the flip side "sultanesque" only for him to take it off half way through saying:"this is crap" funny thing was he was right. what went wrong there Bryan? - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 22:24:26 +0000 From: thom.wallace@net.ntl.com Subject: [AVALON] Market Profile. May I suggest that the compilation albums in the past were not intended to raise the profile of Ferry/Roxy, but more to the point to give them some way of keeping their profile from slipping out of the public eye all together. I read a couple of postings from Spain and Italy recently where the senders seemed to make it plain that in these countries their profile was almost non existent. In the '70's &'80's Roxy and Ferry were huge in these countries, but with Bryan's lack of output they are almost forgotten. I really don't see what's to get so uptight about when a compilation cd comes out, if you don't want a copy just don't buy one. I personally don't think that the "Slave To Love" cd is aimed at folk like myself anyway, but if I were going to purchase it to keep my collection complete then I'd prefer to get a couple of unreleased songs thrown in. Colleen do you have some info that nobody else has? Because the last I heard no release date has been scheduled for Ferry's next studio album. With the tour looking as though it may well run on until august I wouldn't rule anything out. Btw, didn't you think that the "Slave To Love" album was an early april fool joke? I think that the release date of the studio album will depend on at least two main things: 1) How Ferry would feel about another round of promotion work which may include concerts. 2) If there is any substance to the continuing rumours of a Roxy reformation. If Roxy were to reform I wouldn't be surprised if the new album came out in the autumn as most folk had been led to believe as a means of clearing the deck of baggage. Even if Roxy don't reform a case can still be put forward for an autmn release as his profile is higher now than it has been for years. With the amount of items being released this year they may well hold of till the start of next year and that way the album wouldn't run the risk of getting lost in the christmas deluge. In the end though we will all just have to wait and see. "Would that someone who was really in the know would step forward..." If they did then we wouldn't be able to enjoy speculating on the list about what may or may not happen. Tom Wallace. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 08:05:33 -0500 From: ecwoods@mindspring.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] "B" sides Yes, the B-sides *are* quite good, usually. I wonder why "As the World Turns" never showed up on any of the later RM collections. That's one of my favorites. Crystal - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, March 17, 2000 5:12 PM Subject: [AVALON] "B" sides > I've just been listening to "the thrill" box set and it reminded me of how > good even roxy's b-sides were. "numberer" "pride etc." and particually "Your > applications failed" - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 15:28:26 -0800 From: William Sommers Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: La Perla At 01:03 PM 3/17/00 -0500, Colleen Matan wrote: >> Song yet unheard, if it's anything even remotely similar in style to >> the (per Tom Wallace) "original 9min." version I've heard, I'm already >> going to have to violently disagree. > > Well, then again, if it's SHORTER, then it might be an improvement, > albeit slight, over the "original 9 m" remake, no? To tell the truth, the length was (for me) its saving grace. If it hadn't been for a certain soothing effect of the long outro, complete with obviously very raw backing vox, I'd have been far more disappointed. No thrashing intro, nothing particularly interesting musically at all, "weak" vocals (more along the lines of ATGB breathiness than what finally appeared on Mamouna) -- clearly just not anywhere near final mix. In that form, such a far cry from the brilliant reworkings of this tour, or on LST. Of course that track was laid down some 10 years ago, so we'll see... (I did qualify my disagreement after all). -wfs (who eventually recovered with the aid of many LOUD playings of RM bootleg versions) (and is just in an overall pissy mood, having been burgled yet again last night, thus probably best ignored) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 18:44:04 -0500 From: "Decophile" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re-establishing Another Long Anti-Record Company Rant - -----Original Message----- From: mark shanahan To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Friday, March 17, 2000 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re-establishing Another Long Anti-Record Company Rant > > >>From: "Rod LeCloux" >>Artists always have the option of starting a label like Robert Fripp did >>with DGM. I would say he is a pioneer in this area. > >i have mixed feelings about fripp, from what i know about him. as an >artist, though, i think he's great. at any rate, wasn't he favored in the >outcome of his legal battles with - was it - EMI? i thought he'd at least >gained some ground over them ... i know it was rather drawn out as well. >anyone know what the eventual outcome was? The artist usually is favored in such cases. The problem is most artist can barely afford a long drawn court battle and the record companies know and depend on this to break them until they accept some token settlement. However, sometimes poetic justice does prevail like in the case of the Sex Pistols and Lou Reed, just to name two. How much did the Sex Pistols take EMI and A&M for? And Lou Reed really put the fork to RCA with the 2 LP Metal Machine Music before he left. (A stroke of genius!) > >i like the fact that he started DGM, though. more of that, please. I wish I knew more about the thinking behind labels started by artist. You`d think all artist would do it or at least sign on with independent labels but it seems, to me anyway, that most artist feel more comfortable(?) with a major record label for some reason despite the crap they put the artist through. Perhaps it has something to do with wider distribution? Bigger royalties? This could be why artist are still shy of Internet MP3 music labels. Is it because they believe the public want to be able to see and handle the artifact itself? This may have been true if music were still available on vinyl because you had that big card board sleeve with all of that fine art work and goodies hidden inside, something CDs were never able to duplicate. The whole point to CDs is portability, so who cares if it`s downloaded off the Internet and burned to a CD-R/minidisc or cassette tape? It`s not like anyone would miss those puny booklets that can only be read with a Hubble telescope. They could just as easily be downloaded as well. Apparently Manzanera and MaKay don`t seem to have a problem with Expression Records. Surely Ferry has looked into or at least considered them. Gene - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 00:31:11 -0000 From: "Johnny Reece" Subject: [AVALON] RE : 'B' Sides Hi Crystal, 'As The World Turns' didn't turn up on 'Thrill' - as it's a Ferry take, not Roxy. Expect it to appear on the forthcoming Ferry box though, no doubt. Though, some unreleased or 'live' bits appearing on there would be nice... Reecey... - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 00:49:12 -0000 From: "Johnny Reece" Subject: [AVALON] RE : Brand name ? Let's not get carried away here, I know loads of us Avalonians all nod in agreement about Ferry's profile being much higher, etc etc, but it is to us - because of recent gigs, TV bits etc, and because of who we are. To many, many people, they don't know he's still doing it. Sorry, but it's true. Remember the difficulty many of us had even attempting to find ATGB in various Record stores up and down the land the day of release ? Even the remasters still seem to be causing problems for some. It's a hard fact brought home to me personally - as the times I have been in my record shop on a day to day basis - and this is in London, remember - and i've been playing ATGB - and i've had many surprised looks on faces when they find out it's Bryan - not only because he's actually got something out - but the 'sound' of his voice - they didn't know it was him at first. Remember - this is the normal 'casual punter' we're talking about here. And, even though most of us deplore the endless run of compilations - this shows exactly why they are needed - to attempt to make people 'aware', or at least remind them. A hard fact was brought home to me recently, on speaking on the phone to an old schoolmate of mine, now living just outside Portsmouth. I said we should meet up for a drink, as i'd be down that way for the Gig in April. "Bryan Ferry" ?, he asked... "He's still making records" ? Wow ! That hurt - but it's so, so common, and that's a forgotten fact in our little comfortable Avalonian bubble we have here. The friend in question listens to the Radio - often - but of course our Bry is sadly absent from the airwaves these days, as it's all Celine Bloody Dion, the vile Cher, or hordes of airbrushed Children that we are subjected to. Somehow, somewhere, Bryan needs, dare I say it, a 'hit'. Whether it be new material, or a big splash advertising the millionth 'Best Of' of his/Roxys material, no matter - as long as it works. Like it or not, he needs the ordinary punters, up to a point. In truth, the Record Company needs to see that the 'ordinary punters' want Bryan, because if they don't, they won't support or promote him in any future endeavours. Nasty little business really, ain't it ? Reecey... - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 20:28:07 EST From: AESYSTON@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE : Brand name ? Whilst i agree that Bry needs a big hit, he was never going to get it from ATGB . What i believe he needs is a change of direction to something more "basic" whether we like it or not the general public think of him as a MOR coffee table, slick-well produced crooner .Only afew weeks ago i was chatting to someone about roxy and he proclaimed that he loved the early stuff like "dance away"!!!. The public needs to be educated about bry , and if someone buys STL , likes "just like you", decides to purchase "stranded" then surely thats agood thing? I sit patiently waiting for the next album of originals but ithink it'll be along one dressed to kill and guess who's dying ? steve - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V5 #112 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest