From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #111 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Friday, March 17 2000 Volume 05 : Number 111 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] three days behind [ecwoods@mindspring.com] Re: [AVALON] Support bands ["mark shanahan" ] RE: [AVALON] Support bands ["Ujvary, Richard A." ] Re: [AVALON] the last time I saw Kicki... ? [Kicki Gustafsson ] RE: [AVALON] the last time I saw Kicki... ? [Karen Roth ] RE: [AVALON] support bands ["mark shanahan" ] Re: [AVALON] Is anyone interested... ["Ivor Canning" ] Re: [AVALON] Re-establishing Another Long Anti-Record Company Rant ["Deco] Re: [AVALON] Re-establishing Another Long Anti-Record Company Rant [Miles] Re: [AVALON] Re-establishing Another Long Anti-Record Company Rant ["Deco] [AVALON] Passions ["eman96" ] Re: [AVALON] B.O.C. [Ida M Miller ] [AVALON] Worst "support" band ["eman96" ] Re: [AVALON] Re-establishing Another Long Anti-Record Company Rant ["Rod ] Re: [AVALON] Brand names. ["tfagan" ] Re: [AVALON] Worst "support" band ["tfagan" ] [AVALON] Regarding BOC and Support Bands [Jim Rosencutter Crystal, > the clock in your computer is three days behind. Your messages always > show up way at the bottom of my (and everyone's) folder or inbox. You > can fix the time by double clicking on the clock in the bottom right > corner of your screen. > > Noam > > > -------- > Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 00:50:55 -0500 > From: ecwoods@mindspring.com > > This is me, too. I had been living with the knowledge of that awful > rumor for some time and saw an opportunity to express my *horror* at > it, not--as some have suggested--to wallow in the sensationalism of it. > I'm sorry if it looked as if I were feeding the flames. I, too, was > sickened by it but didn't know where else to react other than here. But > I can also see how things could've snowball. Again, my apologies. > > Crystal > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:03:23 PST From: "mark shanahan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Support bands >From: AESYSTON@aol.com >worst support i ever saw just has to be suicide ,who toured with the clash >in 78? i know that now there is a view that they were ahead of thier time >but i'm sorry they were unlistenable. indeed they were bottled offstage by >some of the more moronic clash fans. but hey! what do i know i once saw a >group support mott the hoople of which i said"if these ever make it i'll >show you my a***" that group was queen! ha! that's funny; i seem to have blocked out *my* suicide experience - i did see them, in detroit and also with the clash. i believe '78 is right, maybe '79 ... at the detroit masonic temple. apart from suicide, the clash stormed offstage before finishing their set. either that, or they came out and (very) angrily did an encore, then said, 'there! how do you like that!?'. found out later, it was this moronic CREEM magazine reporter who'd gotten them in a real fricking snit backstage! what fun ... saw queen in '76 w/thin lizzy - that was quite a show, ha ...! peaces/ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:14:07 -0500 From: "Ujvary, Richard A." Subject: RE: [AVALON] Support bands I'm not an engineer but when you hear those songs like Heart Full of Soul or Over Under Sideways Down you wonder what was goin' on with the 'electrics' Relf was playing around with.......well he could've gone like a jazz guy named Albert Ayler. He was fished out of a NYC river......tied to a jukebox. And as for Procul, I'd guess Trower was on Whiter Shade of Pale which is, for me, one of the greatest rock songs ever done. Can't hear the guitar much there but he's following up his behind the scenes success with Ferry now. I think he gives Ferry alot of professional focus. Rich - - > Keith Relf? The Keith Relf who used to be the lead singer of the Yardbirds? The very same (Jim McCarty was in the band too). If you're into obscure (and very tenuous !) links, Eric Clapton left Yardbirds for John Mayall's Bluesbreakers, whose ranks, a few years later, included Henry Lowther and Chris Mercer, who appear on various of Bryan's early albums, most notably Chris' tenor sax solo on 'Let's Stick Together'. Actually Keith died at home, but you're right about Les' stage electrocution. Another link ! Les Harvey's bass-playing chum in Stone The Crows was one Jim Dewar, who was later a mainstay of ex-Procul Harum guitarist Robin Trower's band (as vocalist and bassist) during his best known period in the 70's ('Bridge of Sighs' etc). Yet again, all roads lead to Roxy... Ivor. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:19:49 PST From: "mark shanahan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] jerry & ferry -Reply >From: Kicki Gustafsson > >ps let's please not go back to the andy mackay homo-erotic >packaging >thread again, thanks. > >Why not?!? I though Noam looked spiffing when I last saw him... surely ... you cannot be leading me on ...? :^) peaces/ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:21:20 -0800 (PST) From: Noam Bronstein Subject: [AVALON] the last time I saw Kicki... ? Huh... when was that? Oh, you must mean that time in your bedroom at your parents' house when we played Teacher and Pupil! I remember... "Virginia Plain" was on the cassette player and you kept making me call you 'Kristina'. Yeah... that was fun. Noam "No homo-erotic fantasies were harmed in the making of this e-mail." - ----- From: Kicki Gustafsson Why not?!? I though Noam looked spiffing when I last saw him... /Kicki G ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:05:35 +0100 From: "Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest" Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE : UK dates - ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: Johnny Reece Aan: Verzonden: donderdag 16 maart 2000 17:28 Onderwerp: [AVALON] RE : UK dates > So far we have a small posse of names for the UK dates > > Portsmouth > 10th April > > Johnny Reece + 1 > > Royal Albert Hall > 11th April > > Martin Stockman > Jocelyn Fiske > John O'Brien + 1 > Simon Galloway > Johnny Reece > Ivor Canning > Patricia (Han's girlfriend from Holland) > > Dublin > 29th April > > Gareth McGinley > John O'Brien + 1 > Johnny Reece (if not working that weekend !) > > Petworth House > 23rd June > > Steve Batie + 5 > Johnny Reece > Ivor Canning > Han Snijders + the Dutch avalonclan I haven't called for the tickets yet, but I think we come with about 8 people or more If there are Dutch avalonians who I haven't asked off list, mail me private if you like to go to Petworth. Han > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:17:54 -0000 From: "Andy via Hotmail" Subject: [AVALON] please no!!! eman PLEASE don't turn Avalon into a total waste of bandwidth by sending out your email jokes on it too. I get inundated by enuff bad email jokes anyway without them turning up on Avalon too!! There are already more than enuff mails to trudge through everyday and my productivity is taking a real beating with all this lurking in the vain hope of reading some nugget of news (few and far between in my experience). I'm not saying you guys shouldn't argue Ferry's dress code or which song you like or hate, I'd just like to be able to sift through the reams and reams of idle chat to find those afore mentioned 'nuggets' a little easier. If only Microsoft's email filtering could be so advanced as to spot the kind of stuff I'm looking for...... - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:48:27 +0100 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] the last time I saw Kicki... ? >Huh... when was that? Oh, you must mean that time in your bedroom at >your parents' house when we played Teacher and Pupil! I remember... >"Virginia Plain" was on the cassette player and you kept making me call >you 'Kristina'. Yeah... that was fun. > >Noam That's so strange, because the way I remember it you kept making ME call YOU "Kristina"... /Slightly disturbed in Sweden - ------------------------ Kicki Gustafsson, Östersunds-Posten 063-16 16 51 http://www.op.se http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (privat hemsida) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:04:40 -0000 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry/Roxy supports TriTri vouchsafed: > I wasted an hour of my life watching Angel open for Roxy Music in 1976. we > still have a larf over them: "To the tower!!...." when they left the stage > the first time we chanted, "No more! No more!" what a waste of white satin > opera length gloves! Hang on a minute, this wouldn't be the Punky Meadows band would it ? As immortalised by Frank Zappa in 'Punky's Whips' on 'Zappa in NY' ? La Jobson must have been amused by that coincidence !! LOL, Ivor. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:05:36 -0900 From: Karen Roth Subject: RE: [AVALON] the last time I saw Kicki... ? That Naom is a kinky fella, the last time I saw Noam, we were at his parents house in the kitchen and he made me wear these Ruby slippers and click my heels together three times saying "there's no place like Noam" "There's no place like Noam" It was freaky but it was fun. You gotta love that Noam. Noam said: >Huh... when was that? Oh, you must mean that time in your bedroom at >your parents' house when we played Teacher and Pupil! I remember... >"Virginia Plain" was on the cassette player and you kept making me call >you 'Kristina'. Yeah... that was fun. > >Noam That's so strange, because the way I remember it you kept making ME call YOU "Kristina"... /Slightly disturbed in Sweden - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:16:42 PST From: "mark shanahan" Subject: RE: [AVALON] support bands chris turner wrote: >In 1981-ish I went to Bristol Locarno to see the Clash. The support was an >Indian guy called Peter Singh who dressed in full late period Elvis garb >(massive white flares and rhinestones) with the addition of a turban to >complete the look. Peter's act was to sing Elvis and Cliff Richard covers >in a tuneless and warbly, Hindi-flavoured voice. [snip] i find this to be very funny. i only wish that he had been support at the '78/'79 clash show i was at ... thanks, chris. peaces/ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:34:08 -0000 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Is anyone interested... Just in the nick of time, Victoria Curea offers us the chance of something more interesting to talk about than rehashing old gossip, flaming, constructing rock family trees and polluting the bandwidth with second-hand-in-glove-with-second-rate pornographic tat: >Is anyone interested... > In reading about my "chance meeting" with Bryan Ferry?" You bet we are ! >if there is interest, I can reproduce it here. Let > me know. Bye bye -- Hello Victoria, Please tell all. Regards, Ivor. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:54:59 PST From: "mark shanahan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Is anyone interested... i can't seem to get hotmail to add 'original text' at the moment, but i second that emotion. please tell us your run-in w/monsieur ferreeee! thanks. peaces/ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:47:04 +0000 From: thom.wallace@net.ntl.com Subject: [AVALON] Brand names. If the idea of seeing Roxy/Ferry quoted as a brand name too bad. How else would you categorize/market their output? Because of the diversity of musical styles that appeared on the albums from '72 until present day it's near impossible to find any one word that describes it in total. Btw, it wasn't I who first described Roxy in this way it was Phil Manzanera in a recent interview for the BBC. At times I get the feeling that there is a very inward looking section on this mailing list. For one I take great enjoyment in bringing the Roxy/Ferry catalogue to the attention of younger folk because to me it represents some of the finest recorded work of the last 28 years. If someone like Ferry has to agree to a compilation album every five years to get a record contract who am I to moan about it. More to the point if it gives the Roxy/Ferry name some publicity then all the better. As I said before no one is forcing us to go out and buy these albums. It amazes me at times that Ferry still has a major deal at all as his lack of ability in bringing an album in on time had all but destroyed his credibility and ability to sell in the current music market. Let's be honest nobody would mind the 5 year compilation cycle if Bryan had been issuing a new album every couple of years since '82, sadly he hasn't so these albums have been one way of keeping the Ferry/Roxy name in the public eye for large periods of time. More to the point what profile would the Ferry/Roxy name have if there had be no compilations issued? It's just a shame that at a time when Bryan has a higher profile than he has for years that one of these albums is due especially as there is a studio album waiting to be released, a box set to be issued and the remastering of the back cataloge having just been completed. It may well be the smart thing to hold out and see if the "Slave To Love" album does get a wider release as it may well be re-modeled with a couple of un-released songs to help it appeal more to the die hard fan rather than the super market shopper. Tom Wallace. (Who is willing to rock the boat just enough to make sure that it keeps going forward.) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 22:29:28 +0000 From: Peter Dewey Subject: [AVALON] Support Bands How about those rare moments when the support band blow away the main act? I went to see Procul Harem (I think in their Trowerless days) in Cardiff in the 70's, to find the support was the late lamented Viv Stanshall. He was absolutely marvellous and the only cheer through the entire Procul set was when Viv came onstage to join in the encore (Whiter Shade, of course). Viv was alone, and one of the numbers involved walking up and down the aisle swinging a hosepipe over his head......... On a separate note, I've just moved and came across my Roxy scrapbooks from the 70's. Some wonderful stuff. 25 years just disappear. Also, I was listening to some Sparks in the car (I try to rotate my music) just before they were mentioned in a recent post. Kimono My House is THE 70's pop album. I met Ron and Russell in a phone box opposite Harrods in 74. They are quite small (and I was smaller then). They chatted, signed autographs and said we MUST call in to see them when they were in Taunton for a show shortly after. Unfortunately, they didn't remember to tell the bouncer! - -- Peter Dewey - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:20:26 -0500 From: "Decophile" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re-establishing Another Long Anti-Record Company Rant - -----Original Message----- From: Colleen Matan To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re-establishing a brand name. > >On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 thom.wallace@net.ntl.com wrote: > >> Like it or not though what is actually being done with this cd and the >> "Best of RM" album later in the year is a re-establishing a brand name. >> There is an entire generation of record buyers out there who have little >> or no knowledge of who Roxy were or their contribution to rock music in >> the past. For this reason I welcome any release in the hope that it will >> help heighten the profile of Roxy/Ferry in the present music market. > >I'm glad that Tom posted this because I've been wondering--and had wanted >to raise the issue and had even started a post on the subject yesterday >when it came up--if there was some underlying reason for this sudden rush >to reissue and compile. I was afraid that Mr. Ferry was suddenly so >strapped for cash that he needed to raise it by any means necessary. Well, now you did it. I was hoping to spare everyone from another anti-record company rant any time soon, but.....you had to ask. In any case, this may enlighten some people as to what Ferry, as well as all artist, is up against. First, I don`t think Ferry is so much strapped for cash as much as he probably hopes ATGB sales and the tour will pay for everything without his having to dip into his own out-of-pocket money and eventually net him a profit while showing the record company he still has the fan base to sell records containing new material with a raw rock edge geared towards pleasing me. Second, "Reissues" and "best of" albums come from the record company, not the artist. In fact, the record companies rely on these for the bulk of their profits because in all but a very few cases, the artists royalties are based on the rate agreed upon in the original contract signed way back when. It is NOT adjusted for inflation. This is a real sad fact when you consider most artist from the 40`s and '50 still only receive, what, like 6 cents per album sold, and if that album contained 10 songs and only one is used on, say, a '50`s compilation, well....you do the math. However, you can be sure that the record companies continue to adjust for their profits. The exclusive recording contract is without a doubt the most unreasonable and unfair legal agreement in the arts today and the key to understanding how they work lay within the one word all recording contracts center around: "recoupable." What this means is that the cost of making an album is repaid out of the artists royalties, not gross receipts. The artist must pay for the manufacturing cost, recording/studio time, marketing, touring, packaging....in short.....everything. All of these cost are set by the record company at sometimes ridiculously inflated rates and the record company will always profit from an album even while the artists account is still in the red, which is usually the case. Now, if this were the end of it, that would be bad enough but, regardless of weather the recording cost have been recouped, the artist still owns *NOTHING* even though they paid for everything. It is owned by the record company for the life of the artist *PLUS* 70 (seventy) years! And if that wern`t bad enough, the record company can not only reject an album(s), but the cost of the rejected album(s) is deducted from future royalties and because a rejected album does not constitute part of the agreed upon number of albums, the record company can later release that album and not pay the artist a dime! A common practice and one Ferry may have suffered with Horoscope, although it was never released. Furthermore, the record company can also refuse to release an album if they think it may hurt sales of another artist on their label or if the artist is producing too much good material for fear of burning the public out. The history of rock and roll is littered with lawsuits brought by artist against record companies on these issues...Boston, Springsteen, Elvis Costello, Prince...the list is endless. To show how petty these greedy bastards can be, Epic Records suspected Boston was going to leave the label after their third album, so the album was rejected in the hopes of getting two out of them before they left. Boston sued and the case dragged on until they finally went broke. Fearing they would lose the case and knowing the band needed the money, Epic finally allowed the release of the album but only as a Barry Goudreau solo album with no mention/credits of the other band members in the hopes no one would buy it. Furthermore, they were forbidden to discuss it. That 1980 Barry Goudreau album *is* the third Boston album, but few know it. Dirtbag Scum! Now, the first question you might ask is,"Why do artist sign exclusive contracts with dirtbag scum?" The answer is...."distribution." Distributors do business strictly with record labels - not artist, and the record companies control all of it by making distributors sign contracts of legal steel who in turn make record/CD stores do the same: "You stock a record that we don`t distribute and we`ll cut you off from everything...no more Warner Bros. releases, no more Virgin releases, no more EMI releases....you`ll get nothing!" Basically, they were the only game in town. But things are changing. Those artist who would have been milked dry and tossed on the street by the major labels are signing on with more and more Indie labels with low overhead and reasonable contracts. Add to that the growing number of internet labels releasing MP3 albums and the major dirtbag scum labels may soon be a thing of the past...hopefully. >(Or >that he was going to open a theatre in Branson, Missouri.) (((SHUDDER)))...[spraying coffee through nose all over monitor]....(((SHUDDER))) Don`t say that....don`t ever think that! Gene - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:31:46 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re-establishing Another Long Anti-Record Company Rant At 07:20 PM 03/16/2000 -0500, Decophile wrote: >>(Or >>that he was going to open a theatre in Branson, Missouri.) > >(((SHUDDER)))...[spraying coffee through nose all over >monitor]....(((SHUDDER))) > >Don`t say that....don`t ever think that! Gene's just saying that because he's negotiating with Ferry's management to put one in Pigeon Forge. later, Miles ====================================================== Miles Goosens UNlimited edition R. Stevie Moore CDs now available! http://www.rsteviemoore.com My personal website http://www.mindspring.com/~outdoorminer/miles "If a million people say a stupid thing, it is still a stupid thing." -- Anatole France ====================================================== - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:00:31 -0500 From: "Decophile" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re-establishing Another Long Anti-Record Company Rant - -----Original Message----- From: Miles Goosens To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Thursday, March 16, 2000 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re-establishing Another Long Anti-Record Company Rant > >Gene's just saying that because he's negotiating with Ferry's management to >put one in Pigeon Forge. > >later, > >Miles Bastard! You`ve been talking to Jim Lawn, haven`t you?! Gene - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:22:59 -0800 From: "eman96" Subject: [AVALON] Passions Wasn't it the Passions that did "I'm in Love With a German Film Star"? I > think I read somewhere that BF did some recording with them too - but I > could be wrong on that. This is correct. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:51:39 -0800 From: Ida M Miller Subject: Re: [AVALON] B.O.C. Sorry for continuing the slightly off-topic BOC thread, but .. I went to see BOC just a few weeks ago ... I was starved for a live show that weekend, I was offerer deeply discounted tix, and it was close to my home .. so, why not! Well, the place was full and they ROCKED! I had expected to only recognize Don't Fear The Reaper, but was happy to discover I recognized a few others as well. They have been around a long time, but it seems they are still the original members and they put on a great show .. MUCH to my surprise! > You might be happy to note that those guys are supposedly recording new > stuff now. The Times just did a profile on them. BOC put out a cd last year > called Harvest Moon. These guys "don't fear the reaper", man........they're > industrious. Read that they're the thinking man's heavy metal band. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:35:15 -0800 From: "eman96" Subject: [AVALON] Worst "support" band Mother's Finest, opening for BF in 77. e - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 22:12:47 -0600 From: "Rod LeCloux" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re-establishing Another Long Anti-Record Company Rant To continue the record industry rave that Gene or somebody started.... Artists always have the option of starting a label like Robert Fripp did with DGM. I would say he is a pioneer in this area. Below is a direct quote from every CD that he distributes on his label. "The phonographic copyright in these performances is operated by Discipline Global Mobile Records on behalf of the artists, with whom it resides. Discipline Global Mobile accepts no reason for artists to give away such copyright interests in their work by virtue of a "common practice" which is out of tune with the time, was always questionable and is now indefensible. The publishing copyright in these compositions belongs to the writers in accordance with natural justice (although quite unnatural in practice) and contrary to the business policy and standard operating procedure of most major publishing houses." Keep in mind, most successful Corporations are able to exploit their employees. Just imagine all the exellent programmers making Bill Gates richer and richer. In the "music" world it is No different. I think we all know the stories about the 50's & 60's artists not getting their royalties. I agree that it's not right but I could list examples of every industry that manipulates their employees. Anyways, I'm done for now...... "Dont Be Afraid It's Only Business" "The Alien Prophet Sighed" "The Vulture And The Magpie Took" "The Cash Box From It's Hook" "The Monkey In The Corner Wrote" "The Figures In His Book" Roger Waters-What God Wants, Pt3 Bye, Rod - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:11:22 -0500 From: "tfagan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Brand names. If Bryan needed the lolly he has the makings of a boy group in his own house. Something to think about -- what to call the group?? He would have to bring in a choreographer, though. - --TriTri - -----Original Message----- From: thom.wallace@net.ntl.com . For one I take great enjoyment in bringing the |Roxy/Ferry catalogue to the attention of younger folk because to me it |represents some of the finest recorded work of the last 28 years - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:15:45 -0500 From: "tfagan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Worst "support" band Mother's Finest! I can still feel the floor of Cleveland's Music Hall shaking. those were the best seats I ever had for a Ferry/Roxy concert, though. someone asked about having to buy a ticket to a concert to see the opening act -- here's mine: Madness opening for the Romantics (didn't stay to see them). support act outshining the main act: XTC over the Police (in a bar!). - --TriTri - -----Original Message----- From: eman96 To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Thursday, March 16, 2000 11:55 PM Subject: [AVALON] Worst "support" band |Mother's Finest, opening for BF in 77. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:23:27 -0600 From: Jim Rosencutter Subject: [AVALON] Regarding BOC and Support Bands I got to see BOC several times in the early/mid 70s. Their first four albums still give me a tickle--hilarious lyrics (thinking man's heavy metal, as someone else here posted), some written by Patti Smith and R. Metzler (sp?). As for support bands, the first (and only) time I saw Roxy Music was when they opened up for ELO in Wichita, Kansas, in 1975(?). Roxy was on the radio with LITD, and ELO's current album was El Dorado. Well, about halfway through Roxy's set, the house lights come up and the crowd starts chanting "E-L-O! E-L-O!" I was so embarrassed for my hometown that night. While I wasn't a big Roxy fan at the time, I was into Bowie, Stooges, Velvets, T. Rex and other glittery bands, bands I knew I would never get to see here because of the yay-hoos that live here. To this day I still remember Ferry's cool strut that night and don't remember anything about ELO's set. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:26:48 EST From: AMeyersLD@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Support bands In a message dated 3/16/00 11:10:04 AM, m_shanahan@hotmail.com writes: << the worst had to be a local group in support of blue oyster cult in '77, whose name i can't even recall now - eh, er, maybe 'the rockets' >> I once went to see the BOC specifically because of their opening act at the time: BeBop DeLuxe. (Did I capitolize that properly?) The BOC audience HATED them. Kept booing and yelling out "Rock and Roll!" Bill Nelson, obviously pissed off, cut off a song midway through and asked "You want rock and roll?" Then he launched into a blistering version of "No Trains to Heaven." Stunning. Burned the house down. Amazing. The BOC audience loved it, cheered, stomped, clapped. Mr Nelson looked out at his new converts and said :"Fucking Wankers." And stormed off the stage. So far as I know that was the only time Bebop played near me. Andrew in Evanston - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V5 #111 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest