From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #107 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Thursday, March 16 2000 Volume 05 : Number 107 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] The House Tour [ASchulberg@aol.com] [AVALON] Long tall solly ["Heather James" ] RE: [AVALON] jerry & ferry -Reply ["Curea, Victoria" ] RE: [AVALON] no longer stranded [Karen Roth ] RE: [AVALON] jerry & ferry -Reply -Reply [Kimberly Shell ] Re: [AVALON] Of sirens and compilations [AESYSTON@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] jerry & ferry [ecwoods@mindspring.com] Re: [AVALON] Re: Dublin ["gareth mc ginley" ] Re: [AVALON] jerry & ferry -Reply ["gareth mc ginley" ] [AVALON] RE: Of Sirens and compilations ["Johnny Reece" ] Re: [AVALON] Meltdown Festival 1999 - ASSH1 ["gareth mc ginley" ] Re: [AVALON] West Side/ East Side [Heather Marie Buch ] Re: [AVALON] West Side/ East Side [jspellma ] Re: [AVALON] Official Site. ["Decophile" ] Re: [AVALON] Re-establishing a brand name. [Colleen Matan ] [AVALON] 10 Signs Your Amish Teen Is In Trouble ["eman96" Live! In your living room Arnie - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:13:14 -0500 From: "Heather James" Subject: [AVALON] Long tall solly Well, not only does Gordon sound different, his looks have ... um, changed a bit too. Of course at 64 or so, he can't complain TOO bad, figuring the years of having drinking and such. Those pix that are running around in Gordie's newgroup are too scarey for words! But it would be hard to take Bryan singing "Out of The Blue" if he looked like Granpa Walton, eh? Perhaps an image we don't want to imagine (gack!) -= )-(eather =- >------------------< hjames@thewebgal.com MCC NOVA's Website: http://www.mccnova.com/ Heather's Website: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/ My Roxy Music site: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ >-------------------------------------------------------< > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > Ujvary, Richard A. > Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 10:14 AM > To: 'avalon@smoe.org' > Subject: RE: [AVALON] siren, et al. [long] > > > Speaking of voice, if anybody got to hearing Mr. Lightfoot lately you'd > wonder what's in > his voicebox. Time did a number on him. For the most part, Ferry should > knock wood that he doesn't sound too different from the earlier days. At > least there's "recognition". I'd wonder how > his career would've fared if,in fact, his voice changed alot from what it > once was back when > he first started doing the rounds. > Rich > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mark shanahan [mailto:m_shanahan@hotmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 9:43 AM > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: [AVALON] siren, et al. [long] > > > > > probably_ looking at a five year window here ... ???? i would > suppose it all depends on how long the voice holds out - and whether he'd > just go into an exclusive recording life, or even instrumentals (?). the > latter is doubtful, but who knows? > > peaces/ms > > ______________________________________________________ > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:24:11 -0500 From: "Curea, Victoria" Subject: RE: [AVALON] jerry & ferry -Reply Hi everyone! I am new to this great site and to the postings. Thanks for the welcome, Anton. Anyway, here are my two cents: Jerry Schmerry. What a dolt! I am sure Bryan had a whole host of feelings about their break up (I admit not knowing the horrific details) but frankly, don't you imagine he's NOW doing back flips!! Bryan married a LADY. Not a horse! And that strange accent. Yikes. If she were my friend I'd send her to a speech therapist. Jerry Hall has value in our world, don't get me wrong. I just think it's the Home Shopping Network kind of value... gold electroplate, if you know what I mean. So maybe I am opening myself up to criticism. In reality I am a very tolerant person. This is just the first opportunity I have had to laugh out loud about this gal. She's like a cheesy documentary on FOX Television ... you try not to watch but the campiness SUCKS you in! If I am wrong, I welcome the challenge to set me straight! Thanks for reading everyone -- This is fun! Vickie - -----Original Message----- From: Kimberly Shell [mailto:kshell@corphqpo.hyatt.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 1:00 PM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] jerry & ferry -Reply mark said: <<>> Yes - I watched the show - that bitch Jerry Hall . . .. . I read her book back in high school (Tall Tales) and the way SHE tells it is very similar to the way it was reported last night. However, the E show seemed to embellish Bryan's "devastation" more than she did. Although - she did say he had no idea, she lied to him as to her whereabouts and he was caught quite off guard. Strangely, I know more of her side of the story than his, as he doesn't talk about it much - what do you think? Was he duped in reality or relieved that he didn't have to officially dump her? They WERE still engaged right? Don't you think he was really broken hearted? The people interviewed last night seemed to think so and that he was really very much in love w/ her. . . . tramp! - -k- - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:28:38 -0900 From: Karen Roth Subject: RE: [AVALON] jerry & ferry -Reply Anyway you look at it, I'm sure that ol Jerry is sorry about the choice she made long ago. Choosing Mick over Bryan! What a fool! Major trampola lady... Kim says: Yes - I watched the show - that bitch Jerry Hall . . .. . I read her book back in high school (Tall Tales) and the way SHE tells it is very similar to the way it was reported last night. However, the E show seemed to embellish Bryan's "devastation" more than she did. Although - she did say he had no idea, she lied to him as to her whereabouts and he was caught quite off guard. Strangely, I know more of her side of the story than his, as he doesn't talk about it much - what do you think? Was he duped in reality or relieved that he didn't have to officially dump her? They WERE still engaged right? Don't you think he was really broken hearted? The people interviewed last night seemed to think so and that he was really very much in love w/ her. . . . tramp! -k- - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:38:02 -0900 From: Karen Roth Subject: RE: [AVALON] no longer stranded Thanks Heather, Stranded is a fabulous cd. I'm particularly charmed by Sunset and Just Like You. Are they on "the Thrill of it all" ? Amazona is super too. I'm in heaven. Btw: I tried to e-mail you privately and it came back access denied, is there some other way to get you? Or, should I try again? K Heather wrote: Glad to hear it Karen. You're actually ahead of me. I don't have Stranded. But I have most the songs on my "TTOIA" CD, so I'm happy. Ciao, Heather On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, Karen Roth wrote: > Just wanted to let you all know that I picked up my "Stranded" cd yesterday > from the record store. Thanks to all of you that offered to help me attain > this cd. I love it and I'm listening to it right now. Lots of great songs!! > > Karen > > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:42:33 -0600 From: Kimberly Shell Subject: RE: [AVALON] jerry & ferry -Reply -Reply Victoria said: <<>> HAHAHAA!! <<>> AMEN girlfriend - I agree wholeheartedly. AND she proves that karma exists - after what Mick eventually did to her w/ the NEW bimbo model - whatshername? Having MORE of his children! How many does that guy HAVE now - 8, 10? Well, that's not important and off topic to boot! Vickie - you crack me UP! - -kim- - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:15:19 EST From: AESYSTON@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] rik kenton does anyone know what happend to rik kenton after a few roxy sound-alike singles in the mid 70's i never heard of him again wherefore art thou rik? - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:26:06 -0800 From: Betsy Fowler Subject: [AVALON] Meltdown Festival 1999 - ASSH1 The last 2 tracks on the "All Styles Served Here" CD have intrigued me for some time. Is it the approach of St. Paddy's Day, or did I hear that this event took place in Ireland? Who's playing the banjo? Is Bryan playing the harmonica? And was it Bryan who 'melted down' or was it just a very warm day? Methinks the former, with this grisly obsession with the hanging, murder, etc. in both songs. Incidentally, the tracks are mislabelled on the CD. Both numbers are traditional folk tunes which I first heard sung by Joan Baez in the 60s, but countless others have performed them. They are: "Railroad Boy" (not "I'll Die for You" - 'He went upstairs to give her hope, and he found her hanging on a rope') "John Hardy" (not "John Harding" - 'John Hardy he was a desperate little man, carried a gun all day' [Joan sings 'razor']) Whoever knows, reveal all you dare! Betsy - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:29:54 EST From: AESYSTON@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Of sirens and compilations either my memory or reece's is fading (probably mine) although i agree that SF was the opening song from the 75 tour my recollection is that during the intro the hall was in darkness with bry joining the rest of the group (quietly!) the lights coming on when he sang "surely you can not be leading me on" pedantic yes! sad errr yes! "i knew there'd be times like this when i'd sit at home and reminice........" - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 15:56:09 -0500 From: ecwoods@mindspring.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] jerry & ferry Maybe that's part of my problem getting into _Siren_. Medusa's blocking the entranceway. Literally. I think your assessment is dead-on, Vickie. Bryan deserved much better than Jerry Hall. Seeing her "story" on t.v is like happening upon a trainwreck--you can't help but look, but it turns your stomach. Crystal - ----- Original Message ----- From: Curea, Victoria Subject: RE: [AVALON] jerry & ferry -Reply <<<>>> I am sure Bryan had a whole host of feelings about their break up (I > admit not knowing the horrific details) but frankly, don't you imagine he's > NOW doing back flips!! Bryan married a LADY. Not a horse! <<<>> > Jerry Hall has value in our world, don't get me wrong. I just think it's > the Home Shopping Network kind of value... gold electroplate, if you know > what I mean. <<<>> She's like a cheesy documentary on FOX Television ... > you try not to watch but the campiness SUCKS you in! <<>> - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:45:07 GMT From: "gareth mc ginley" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Dublin Colleen wrote: >Since this was a public message, I am sure a few of the women are now >wondering how many pints Joanne told her best friend it would take before >Gareth's charms "may became more apparent." > >What's sauce for the gander, &tc. ... > Delighted to see you're interested Colleen: Lady, if you wanna find a lover, then you look no further. What d'ya say - well? WELL? Regards, Gareth p.s Martin - you just can't miss Dublin man. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:53:15 GMT From: "gareth mc ginley" Subject: Re: [AVALON] jerry & ferry -Reply I read somewhere that Jerry Hall became pregnant off Ferry and with neither wishing to take the responsibility of a child they decided to have it aborted. Apparently it was a very traumatic experience for Hall. That might at least explain a few things on why the pair drifted apart. Have to say though that if "Tall Tales" was to believed then Ferry was carrying a hell of a lot of baggage on his shoulders at that point in time. Gareth ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:04:32 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Dublin On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, gareth mc ginley wrote: > Delighted to see you're interested Colleen: > > Lady, if you wanna find a lover, then you look no further. > > What d'ya say - well? WELL? My preference is for something a little more, shall we say, seasoned. But thank you for your very kind offer. Colleen (who still notes that her # of pints question remains unanswered) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 23:04:54 -0000 From: "Johnny Reece" Subject: [AVALON] RE: Of Sirens and compilations Hi AESYSTON - Bry didn't always walk on late on that tour - I just mentioned the one I remember the most, the one which I looked forward to the most (as I hadn't seen them for nearly a year) which was the first one of a 3 Gig soiree at the Glasgow Apollo, on 8th, 9th, 10th October, 1975. I distinctly remember on the last night he was already present on stage when singing the first line. Is that sad ? Well yeah, probably, but they were important times for me - following Roxy as much as I could through the Country Life then Siren tours, late 74 then late 75 was something that just had to be done. It was the first time I really flipped over a support act too - the marvellous Sadistic Mika Band, on the Siren tour. It was a great pleasure (and something of a shock too) that some solo material was aired then too, Wild Weekend, Diamond Head - and on just one night in Glasgow I seem to recall - The In Crowd - a real surprise. And there I was - with the RM patches on the sleeves of my airline pilot type shirt. Me and a thousand others, naturellement. Great times. I never thought, now reaching into the year 2000, that I would ever go to such a string of Gigs again - but here I am, doing just that in the middle of the ATGB tour(s). Strange thing is - the Siren tour doesn't seem that long ago. Funny how time slips away... Reecey... - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 23:08:43 -0000 From: "Andy via Hotmail" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Meltdown Festival 1999 - ASSH1 It was me who bootlegged them so I should know. It was at the Meltdown Festival at the Royal Festival Hall in sunny London - summer 99. It was a peculiar gathering of mostly hippy folky weirdos doing interpretations of old american folk tunes that next to no-one in the UK had heard before and then Bryan came on almost too late for me to catch the last train home. Grabbed the two tracks on my minidisc recorder and legged it for the train. Han did some wonderful audio cleanup work to get to what we have today. Believe me they were much much worse before Han performed his miracles. At the time we didn't have a clue what the names of the tracks were so we all guessed. It's nice to know what they should have been called. Yes, Bryan got out the ah Monica and gave it a blow job (!). No idea who the banjoist was. So there you have it...nuttin to do with Gareth country or the blarney stone!!! Andy - ----- Original Message ----- From: Betsy Fowler To: Sent: 15 March 2000 22:26 Subject: [AVALON] Meltdown Festival 1999 - ASSH1 > The last 2 tracks on the "All Styles Served Here" CD have intrigued me for > some time. Is it the approach of St. Paddy's Day, or did I hear that this > event took place in Ireland? Who's playing the banjo? Is Bryan playing > the harmonica? And was it Bryan who 'melted down' or was it just a very > warm day? Methinks the former, with this grisly obsession with the > hanging, murder, etc. in both songs. > > Whoever knows, reveal all you dare! - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 23:18:44 GMT From: "gareth mc ginley" Subject: Re: [AVALON] West Side/ East Side Heather wrote: and all are kept nicely within a >unified theme - "heavy" Euro culture meets Studio 54 teenage kitsch. In >fact, to me, Manifesto is almost a comment on the differences between >European and American culture - both youthful, one looking back, the other >looking forward. Well described. While I really like the first side to Manifesto (with original version of Angel Eyes) I have to say that the second side is the biggest load of drivel that Bryan has ever released. It's a well known fact that the second side was targeting the American market. But if I was American I'd be damn well offended by this. Ferry himself has even gone on record as calling it "hairdressers music". He wass very bitter when the U.S. didn't take to Roxy at first and said some staggeringly offensive things about the U.S. market at the time. With the odd exception (Oh Yeah, NYC & Are You Lonesome Tonight) Ferry's attempts at breaking the US market has resulted in some of his worst output(most of In Your Mind, parts of 2nd era Roxy, 1 or 2 songs from Bete Noire). In saying this though, America probably had a greater influence on his music than any other land and he definitely wouldn't be the artist that he is without it. Best wishes, Gareth ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 00:21:53 +0100 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: [AVALON] Avalon updated http://www.avalon.pp.se is updated (thanks to Jocelyn!) with pictures from Paris. Don't miss it: Bryan is so happy he's almost delirious... Beware: The effect of THAT cap and a new, dotted (?) scarves might be too much if you've sensitive eyes. /Kicki G - ------------------------ Kicki Gustafsson, Östersunds-Posten 063-16 16 51 http://www.op.se http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (privat hemsida) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 23:34:38 GMT From: "gareth mc ginley" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Meltdown Festival 1999 - ASSH1 Andy Coopper wrote: > >Han did some wonderful audio cleanup work to get to what we have today. >Believe me they were much much worse before Han performed his miracles. >No idea who the banjoist >was. Just got to hear these again recently- brilliant work folks (the two ASSH cd's are really enjoyable). It was all a bit of a shock on the night - we've never heard Ferry do anything like this before - but I like the first song having heard it a few times. The banjo player was called Stanley Matthews. My lasting memory of this event though was Martin coming out of the hall afterwards and splitting his sides laughing for about 10 minutes. Gareth (who came up to do some work an hour ago and has let Avalonia take over again - help, I'm doooomed). ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:37:47 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] jerry & ferry -Reply On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, gareth mc ginley wrote: [invasive, insensitive rumor snipped] > Apparently it was a very traumatic experience for Hall. I should think so. This tasteless rumor has been floating around for a long time, and from what I understand, has most recently surfaced in an unauthorized biography of Mick Jagger. I have been happy to NEVER see it on Avalon. Until today. The thought of people speculating, in public, over something which is merely a hurtful rumor, but which if true is quite intensely personal and tragic, makes me heartsick. Please, out of respect for these people whom none of us know on such an intimate level, let's not continue this one part of this thread. Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 17:13:21 -0500 From: ecwoods@mindspring.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] jerry & ferry -Reply I'm glad someone else brought this up. I read this too, in an Jagger biography, and was horrified. I was hoping it wasn't true, that it was an outrageous fabrication nobody would believe, but it seems other people have heard that as well. The book I read talked only of Hall's pain concerning the abortion, as if Ferry were unaffected. What a cruel slant. There's still a possibility it's false, I suppose. We can only hope, for Ferry's sake. Crystal - ----- Original Message ----- From: gareth mc ginley Subject: Re: [AVALON] jerry & ferry -Reply > I read somewhere that Jerry Hall became pregnant off Ferry and with neither > wishing to take the responsibility of a child they decided to have it > aborted. Apparently it was a very traumatic experience for Hall. That > might at least explain a few things on why the pair drifted apart. Have to > say though that if "Tall Tales" was to believed then Ferry was carrying a > hell of a lot of baggage on his shoulders at that point in time. > > Gareth > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:17:17 EST From: AESYSTON@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE: Of Sirens and compilations sorry reecey , it wasn,t meant to be a criticism, the 75 tour is fondly remembered by me as it was the first time igot to see more than one gig on a tour 2 nights at brum , from 72 onwards i could only get by bus so travel was limited so only one show per tour . BUT SINCE ..from then on it was 5 or 6 .In general support bands ,well i couldn't wait for them to finish so roxy could get on but i have great memories of; sadistic mika , jess roden,leo sayer! sharks,london beat mari wilson etc. The best ever moment for me was on the 73 tour when they started with street life and i thought WHAT IS THIS!!!!!! i still go back to that moment every time i hear it that weekend i bought a tuxedo , which got some funny looks in the mining town where i used to live! "don't let this happen to you ooooooooWOO".....steve - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 00:41:30 +0000 From: thom.wallace@net.ntl.com Subject: [AVALON] Official Site. Is it my imagination or are very few folk contributing to Bryan's official web site? Must admit though if there was a bit more feedback like on the Manzanera site it would be a lot better. Why no links page? Tom Wallace. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:56:47 EST From: KRNCHSE@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Jealous guy/Avalon For what it's worth: Jealous Guy and Avalon I could have easily have lived without. /Kicki G I'm sure I'm in the minority here,but I really thought the string sirens struggled with the backing vocals whilst keeping up with the playing,during Avalon,and it looked awkward to me.No ,I could have done without it too. But Jealous Guy........no way!Every time those pursed lips exhale,I am transported in time-skipping down the steps at Monmartre on a rainy November night (or even Gamla Stan for that matter Kiki ! ) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 01:59:22 +0000 From: thom.wallace@net.ntl.com Subject: [AVALON] Re-establishing a brand name. Since the news of the release of the "Slave To Love" album there has been a lot posted about yet another compilation album. Like everybody else on this list I would much prefer a new studio or even live album. Like it or not though what is actually being done with this cd and the "Best of RM" album later in the year is a re-establishing a brand name. There is an entire generation of record buyers out there who have little or no knowledge of who Roxy were or their contribution to rock music in the past. For this reason I welcome any release in the hope that it will help heighten the profile of Roxy/Ferry in the present music market. After all nobody is forcing us to buy the "Slave To Love" or "More Than This" selections. Tom Wallace. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 21:09:37 -0500 (EST) From: Heather Marie Buch Subject: Re: [AVALON] jerry & ferry "Medusa's blocking the entranceway. Literally." I like that very much! Medusa, Indeed! Heather On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 ecwoods@mindspring.com wrote: > Maybe that's part of my problem getting into _Siren_. Medusa's blocking the > entranceway. Literally. > I think your assessment is dead-on, Vickie. Bryan deserved much better than > Jerry Hall. Seeing her "story" on t.v is like happening upon a > trainwreck--you can't help but look, but it turns your stomach. > > Crystal > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 21:24:24 -0500 (EST) From: Heather Marie Buch Subject: Re: [AVALON] West Side/ East Side On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, gareth mc ginley wrote: > original version of Angel Eyes) I have to say that the second side is the > biggest load of drivel that Bryan has ever released. It's a well known fact > that the second side was targeting the American market. But if I was > American I'd be damn well offended by this. Ferry himself has even gone on > record as calling it "hairdressers music". OK, OK, just call me Brittany Shears, because I *like* side 2 (er, what is a side 2 anyway? All I have are CD's). But lets just say I like "Ain't That So" through "Spin Me Round," especially "Dance Away!" "My Little Girl," is one of my favorites, it's got such a laid back, Fleetwood Mac kind of sound. Oh well, guess I'll go do a perm. He wass very bitter when the > U.S. didn't take to Roxy at first and said some staggeringly offensive > things about the U.S. market at the time. With the odd exception (Oh Yeah, > NYC & Are You Lonesome Tonight) Ferry's attempts at breaking the US market > has resulted in some of his worst output(most of In Your Mind, parts of 2nd > era Roxy, 1 or 2 songs from Bete Noire). In saying this though, America > probably had a greater influence on his music than any other land and he > definitely wouldn't be the artist that he is without it. No kidding, "Where my Studebaker takes me, that's where I'll make my stand," about says it all, a mon avis (I'm practicing for my June trip to Paris BTW). But what of Boys and Girls? Not everything on that album rubs me in exactly the right way. First of all, the cover makes me cringe, and certain songs such as "Sensation," or "Windswept" seem a bit cheesy. I prefer "Bete Noire" to this one by far (just my opinion. Remember, the price of fuel is up, so keep those fireballs to a minimum). Ciao, Heather > > Best wishes, > > Gareth > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > http://www.mit.edu/~hmbuch/ Heather Marie Buch asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 21:49:22 -0500 From: jspellma Subject: Re: [AVALON] West Side/ East Side Heather Marie Buch wrote: > OK, OK, just call me Brittany Shears, because I *like* side 2 (er, what is > a side 2 anyway? All I have are CD's). But lets just say I like "Ain't > That So" through "Spin Me Round," especially "Dance Away!" "My Little > Girl," is one of my favorites, it's got such a laid back, Fleetwood Mac > kind of sound. Oh well, guess I'll go do a perm....... I love it too, especially when you add the real version of "Angel Eyes". I can see why Siren is a special album for many people, but while I love some of the songs, I hate the others. Manifesto was more cozy for me, it flows better, except for "Cry, Cry, Cry" which really is bad, bad, bad. There was more moments for Andy and Phil to shine, but still some Paul Thompson. There was the introduction of the fretless bass in Roxy's music... it was a nice change and really started the new sound Bryan took into the 80's, yet sounded more like the earlier stuff than the material to follow. Best, Jim - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 21:50:47 -0500 From: "Decophile" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Official Site. I don`t expect anything of real interest to fans from the Ferry site for quite some time. Perhaps when Ferry finishes the tour, we might get something close to the Manzanera site. In the mean time, I would like to suggest that everyone give the Manzanera site a visit and if nothing else, please fill out the Visitor Survey. It will only take a minuet or two. This site is the closest we`re going to get to having a real Roxy site of any significance and they are completely open to suggestions from the fans. Gene - -----Original Message----- From: thom.wallace@net.ntl.com To: Avalon Mailinglist Date: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 7:47 PM Subject: [AVALON] Official Site. >Is it my imagination or are very few folk contributing to Bryan's >official web site? Must admit though if there was a bit more feedback >like on the Manzanera site it would be a lot better. Why no links page? > >Tom Wallace. > > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 21:52:23 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re-establishing a brand name. On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 thom.wallace@net.ntl.com wrote: > Like it or not though what is actually being done with this cd and the > "Best of RM" album later in the year is a re-establishing a brand name. > There is an entire generation of record buyers out there who have little > or no knowledge of who Roxy were or their contribution to rock music in > the past. For this reason I welcome any release in the hope that it will > help heighten the profile of Roxy/Ferry in the present music market. I'm glad that Tom posted this because I've been wondering--and had wanted to raise the issue and had even started a post on the subject yesterday when it came up--if there was some underlying reason for this sudden rush to reissue and compile. I was afraid that Mr. Ferry was suddenly so strapped for cash that he needed to raise it by any means necessary. (Or that he was going to open a theatre in Branson, Missouri.) But this is even more puzzling, in a way. "Re-establishing a brand name?" Is this really what his new management is doing? Ugh. So Mr. Ferry is to be some merely sort of commodity marketed to a new audience? Roxy as a "brand name?" How disappointing, especially if it's going to mean more retreads. One of my wisest friends keeps telling me "It's the same hamburger everywhere, Colleen" but you know, I had hoped some of my favorite musicians would be able to escape The Gapification of the world. And just what is the age range of this new audience? Are there people out there who think a 50 something guy is suddenly going to catch on with the youth market? Or there going to be a push towards the demographic which is represented by this list (30s and 40s)? And is this really going to work anywhere but in the UK? (which would explain the monthly trips to London)? Is this how he is going to land a new record contract? By riding the (supposed) wave of these reissues caused by these "new fans" (who will then be very confused when they hear the [alleged] new originals album)? Or is this how he's going to be convinced to reform Roxy? I feel sorry for Mr. Ferry. He deserves more than this, and to be treated with more dignity than this--more than just a trained monkey hawking his old stuff. I mean, it IS like that Smiths' song (which, by the way, is called "Paint A Vulgar Picture")--only he is still alive. Let me disclose that I am far from being a completist--I don't have all of the things--B-sides and what have you--which are collected on these compliations, and there are actually a number of them I would love to finally have (such as "Is Your Love Strong Enough?" which is My Favorite Song That I Do Not Own). But, that being said, I have to say that I feel rather taken advantage of as a long time fan. Yes, by all means issue the Ferry box set. Collect all of this stuff into one handy-dandy reference for completists and non-completists alike. But this Quixote-like questing for new fans I find rather, well, insulting. I'm not saying Mr. Ferry should be put on the rocking chair on the porch--far from it--but geez! I know I'm selfish, but how long will this put off the next originals album? And, in the end, for what exactly? People have hinted that various levels of The Powers That Be eavesdrop here. I'm not entirely convinced that's the case. However, whether it is or not, I know that there is a definite "don't rock the boat" feeling which bubbles up here from time to time. Well, if I have questions, I ask them. After all, it is writen "a cat may look at a king." Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:01:48 EST From: Gal410@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] BF music in t.v. ad.. Hi everyone, I was watching t.v. tonight and a commercial for Target (department store) came on with the music and some of the words from 'Let's Stick Together' with someone other than BF singing. Maybe next we can see an ad for Viagra with 'Slave to Love'!!! Heidi - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:26:25 -0500 From: jspellma Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re-establishing a brand name. I got a great idea. Take Street Life 20 Greatest Hits, trim off a few Flesh & Blood tunes, maybe "Pjamarama" as well, then you add "Girl of My Best Friend", "As Time Goes By" and then "Dance With Life" Maybe add "Help Me" instead. Make them wait for "Dance With Life" until the next Greatest Hits comes out 6 months from now. Jim thom.wallace@net.ntl.com wrote: > Since the news of the release of the "Slave To Love" album there has > been a lot posted about yet another compilation album. Like everybody > else on this list I would much prefer a new studio or even live album. > Like it or not though what is actually being done with this cd and the > "Best of RM" album later in the year is a re-establishing a brand name. > There is an entire generation of record buyers out there who have little > or no knowledge of who Roxy were or their contribution to rock music in > the past. For this reason I welcome any release in the hope that it will > help heighten the profile of Roxy/Ferry in the present music market. > After all nobody is forcing us to buy the "Slave To Love" or "More Than > This" selections. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:55:55 -0500 From: "tfagan" Subject: [AVALON] Ferry with a fringe on the top in my neck of the woods, we always referred to that 'do as "The Perfect Wedge." - --TriTri - -----Original Message----- From: mark shanahan the |'fringe' is a necessity in my book ... | | - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 21:41:07 -0800 From: "eman96" Subject: [AVALON] 10 Signs Your Amish Teen Is In Trouble 10 Signs Your Amish Teen Is In Trouble 10. Sometimes stays in bed until after 5 am. 9. In his sock drawer, you find pictures of women without bonnets. 8. Shows up at barn raisings in full "Kiss" makeup. 7. When you criticize him, he yells, "Thou sucketh!" 6. His name is Jebediah, but he goes by "Jeb Daddy." 5. Defiantly says, "If I had a radio, I'd listen to rap." 4. You come upon his secret stash of colored socks. 3. Uses slang expression: "Talk to the hand, 'cause the beard ain't listening." 2. Was recently pulled over for "driving under the influence of cottage cheese." 1. He's wearing his big black hat backwards. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V5 #107 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest