From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #106 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, March 15 2000 Volume 05 : Number 106 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Dublin ["gareth mc ginley" ] Re: [AVALON] My Roxy RE-masters... (particularly Siren!) ["Simon Galloway] Re: [AVALON] Key Mail Order ["Martin Stockman" ] RE: [AVALON] My Roxy RE-masters... (particularly Siren!) [Jocelyn Fiske <] [AVALON] Re: Dublin ["Martin Stockman" ] Re: [AVALON] September Song [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] Slave To Love Tracks [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] Re: Dublin [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] Bryan Ferry in Paris - A Review (Part 1) ["mark shanahan" ] Re: [AVALON] Bryan Ferry in Paris - A Review (Part 2) ["mark shanahan" ] Re: [AVALON] September Song [Heather Marie Buch ] Re: [AVALON] Goth Talk [Heather Marie Buch ] [AVALON] siren, et al. [long] ["mark shanahan" ] [AVALON] Goth Talk -Reply [Kimberly Shell ] RE: [AVALON] siren, et al. [long] ["Ujvary, Richard A." ] [AVALON] no longer stranded [Karen Roth ] Re: [AVALON] Goth Talk ["mark shanahan" ] Re: [AVALON] no longer stranded [Heather Marie Buch ] Re: [AVALON] September Song ["Andrew Shearer" ] [AVALON] jerry & ferry ["mark shanahan" ] [AVALON] jerry & ferry -Reply [Kimberly Shell ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:21:37 GMT From: "gareth mc ginley" Subject: [AVALON] Dublin Just to let everyone know that tickets have gone on sale for the Ferry gig at the Olympia Theatre in Dublin. I gave them a buzz yesterday and this time they had front row seats for sale - swiftly taken advantage off. Phone no.: 00353 16771020 The Ferry gig is part of The Heineken Greeen Energy Festival which also features The Cranberries, The Charlatans, and Tracy Chapman. Btw, loved the review Chris. Regards, Gareth ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:26:20 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] My Roxy RE-masters... (particularly Siren!) I never realised that Siren was held in such low esteem as I think it's one of the best Roxy albums (behind Stranded and FYP). My least favourite of the first five is Country Life, which has some very good songs on it, but there are three complete stinkers (3&9, If It Takes All Night and Triptych) and it doesn't flow well as an album. A bit like Bowie's Aladdin Sane which is just sequenced completely wrong. Thanks god for cd, and the programme and random buttons. SimonG >>> 03/14 8:10 pm >>> at last someone who loves siren! just another high is the great lost roxy song sing along with the lights down can YOU hold back the tears? (alright i know it,s just me) "maybe your heart is aching........ - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:06:23 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Key Mail Order - ---------- >From: "Heather James" > sigh ... and "Slave to Love" is a CD of mostly retreads! ..mostly ? - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 05:31:21 -0500 From: "Heather James" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Key Mail Order Well, "B sides Burning - The Bryan Ferry Singles Collection" was never available in the US (even on late-nite TV from K-Tel) so we didn't see some of those songs first time around - some of them are rare retreads to us. But thats the conundrum, doncha know - even tho I just bought ALL the BF & RM Remasters, I've a few dollars more that Virgin would rather collect. Thus - they're tempting me with the few songs that weren't on the "Official Remasters" - such as the possibility that song #7, "Is Your Love Strong Enough?", may be that rare-to-us extended length version. -= )-(eather =- >------------------< hjames@thewebgal.com Heather's Website: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/ My Roxy Music site: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ >-------------------------------------------------------< > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > Martin Stockman > Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 3:06 AM > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Key Mail Order > > ---------- > >From: "Heather James" > > > > sigh ... and "Slave to Love" is a CD of mostly retreads! > > ..mostly ? > > > -------------------- > > >> Here are the tracks: >> 1. Slave To Love >> 2. Jealous Guy >> 3. Oh Yeah >> 4. I'm In The Mood For Love >> 5. Avalon >> 6. Smoke Gets In Your Eyes >> 7. Is Your Love Strong Enough? >> 8. More Than This >> 9. Falling In Love Again >> 10. Crazy Love >> 11. Will You Love Me Tomorrow >> 12. Just Like You >> 13. Your Painted Smile >> 14. To Turn You On >> 15. He'll Have To Go >> 16. Zamba >> 17. Windswept >> 18. My Only Love >> - ---------------------------Kicki Gustafsson >> http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (personal homepage) >> http://www.avalon.pp.se (my Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry-site) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 11:25:48 -0000 From: Jocelyn Fiske Subject: RE: [AVALON] My Roxy RE-masters... (particularly Siren!) - -----Original Message----- From: AESYSTON@aol.com [mailto:AESYSTON@aol.com] Sent: 14 March 2000 20:10 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] My Roxy RE-masters... (particularly Siren!) at last someone who loves siren! just another high is the great lost roxy song sing along with the lights down can YOU hold back the tears? (alright i know it,s just me) "maybe your heart is aching........ I assure you it's not just you. It's THE definite song to wallow in just after a break-up. (Unless you're in your teens when I guess the dirge-like Never Ever by All Saints would do when contemplating the effectiveness of a Ladyshave to put you out of your misery) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 11:48:36 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: [AVALON] Re: Dublin Hi Gareth Joanne's best friend Oonagh is going and you may care to share a pint with her. Her charms may become more apparent after the second. I'd love to go. Am working on it, although I think it's a Bank Holiday weekend in UK and I should be kiddied up. Siante Martin - ---------- >From: "gareth mc ginley" >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: [AVALON] Dublin >Date: Wed, Mar 15, 2000, 10:21 am > > Just to let everyone know that tickets have gone on sale for the Ferry gig > at the Olympia Theatre in Dublin. I gave them a buzz yesterday and this > time they had front row seats for sale - swiftly taken advantage off. > > Phone no.: 00353 16771020 > > The Ferry gig is part of The Heineken Greeen Energy Festival which also > features The Cranberries, The Charlatans, and Tracy Chapman. > > Btw, loved the review Chris. > > Regards, > > Gareth > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:06:14 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] September Song On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 ecwoods@mindspring.com wrote: > I've heard references to "September Song" during the last month or so, but > I'm not familiar at all with that one. Where does this appear? I guess one > got by me. It's on _As Time Goes By._ Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:09:30 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Slave To Love Tracks On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, Ivor Canning wrote: > > > for and on behalf of STROFFS ('Society for The Rehabilitation Of > > > Forgotten Ferry Songs') > > > > Ivor, what are some of the others members? > > > > Colleen > > Aren't we all ? Sorry, we were all the victim there of one of my bad dyslexic days. In my shorthanded way, I had meant to ask Ivor, what are some of the other (songs you feel should be) members (of this Society)? Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:22:01 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Avalon update - Right Stuff! On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, Ivor Canning wrote: > I don't remember 'MCE' being on 'Rank' (if that's what you're referring to) > but it is on the semi-compilation 'The World Won't Listen', having > originally been the B-side of 'Bigmouth Strikes Again'. I remember Brian > Eno praising 'BSA' in a magazine article some years ago, which made me > listen to 'The Smiths' properly for the first time (and then I found 'MCE', > at which point the lightbulb went on...) Thanks to everyone for the correction--I have resisted all of The Smiths' compilations, and realized that the version I have is a live one from the very first bootleg I ever bought. (Oh, what a babe in the woods I was then: I was in my favorite record shop to survive the post-vinyl revolution, and I found what I thought had to be an import Smiths live album. When I brought it home and played it, I couldn't figure out why the quality was so bad. Then I realized I owned A BOOTLEG. I was horrified, for I was A Good Girl.) So I was pretty surprised to hear "The Right Stuff." Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 05:24:08 PST From: "mark shanahan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Blood on a nail >From: Heather Marie Buch >That could be a kids CD! It could also include "Bryan Ferry sings the >alphabet song with Barney." Oh, I wish he'd do it! if bryan even _thinks_ of doing something barney-related, my super sappy antennae will pick it up -- and that'll be *it* for him. same for the teletubbies - and i like *them* ... peaces/ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:36:30 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Dublin On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, Martin Stockman wrote: > Hi Gareth > > Joanne's best friend Oonagh is going and you may care to share a pint with > her. Her charms may become more apparent after the second. Since this was a public message, I am sure a few of the women are now wondering how many pints Joanne told her best friend it would take before Gareth's charms "may became more apparent." What's sauce for the gander, &tc. ... Signed, Gloria Steinam - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 05:37:00 PST From: "mark shanahan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bryan Ferry in Paris - A Review (Part 1) chris turner wrote: >I'm delighted to say the much-missed fringe is gradually reappearing in the >appropriate place, and Ferry looked tanned and fit and highly energetic >during the performance [snip] god - thank god! aahh! foo! i was afraid he was going to keep the short thing going - you know, now that he's in his fifties and all that. the 'fringe' is a necessity in my book ... peaces/ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:47:19 -0500 (EST) From: Don Becker Subject: Re: [AVALON] the song(s) of the Siren(s) Chalk me up as another Siren supporter. Maybe it's Phil's Fripp-esque playing on Sentimental Fool, or the bitter self-pity in Just Another High, or maybe it's the funk breaks in She Sells... either way, I put it at the top of my list. It was also the first full-length Roxy CD I bought... think that might have something to do with it? (though my first purchases were the Viva! cassette and the boxed set) - --Don On Tue, 14 Mar 2000, Jim Rosencutter wrote: > I'd like to add a "me too" for Siren. Sentimental Fool is the perfect > intro for a Roxy mix tape (followed by Out of the Blue). And although > it may be a little hokey, Just Another High still gets me every time. > Our party boy from Love is the Drug screws up big time and finds out too > late what he let get away. > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > - -- Don Becker don@adelphi.edu http://becker.adelphi.edu Unix System Administrator, Adelphi University http://www.adelphi.edu - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 06:01:38 PST From: "mark shanahan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bryan Ferry in Paris - A Review (Part 2) (sorry; i would have included both in previous post, but hadn't gotten to part 2 here) chris turner wrote: >I think that Jealous Guy has been another revelation this tour. It's >arrangement has really revitalised a song that was becoming clichéd. Avalon >too had a silky syncopation that had been missing in the guitar-laden and >keyboards extravaganzas of previous tours. I do personally hope that Ferry >retains this acoustic style of performance. i agree wholeheartedly. 'jealous guy' was one song i was cringing in anti-anticipation for, pre-concertly speaking. i wasn't real, real enthused (again, pre-concert) to hear avalon once more either, to be honest. but, the new arrangements with this group were so different - and it did breathe new life into both tunes, to be sure. it's like they each received an entirely new skeletal frame, from which point everything about them was different - in a very good way. i would also like to see him keep some of these acoustic approaches for future tours ... and how many more will there be? peaces/ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:23:39 +0100 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bryan Ferry in Paris - A Review (Part 2) >(sorry; i would have included both in previous post, but hadn't gotten to >part 2 here) > >chris turner wrote: >>I think that Jealous Guy has been another revelation this tour. It's >>arrangement has really revitalised a song that was becoming clichÈd. Avalon >>too had a silky syncopation that had been missing in the guitar-laden and >>keyboards extravaganzas of previous tours. I do personally hope that Ferry >>retains this acoustic style of performance. > >i agree wholeheartedly. 'jealous guy' was one song i was cringing in >anti-anticipation for, pre-concertly speaking. i wasn't real, real enthused >(again, pre-concert) to hear avalon once more either, to be honest. but, >the new arrangements with this group were so different - and it did breathe >new life into both tunes, to be sure. For what it's worth: Jealous Guy and Avalon I could have easily have lived without. /Kicki G - ------------------------ Kicki Gustafsson, Östersunds-Posten 063-16 16 51 http://www.op.se http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (privat hemsida) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:25:31 -0500 (EST) From: Heather Marie Buch Subject: Re: [AVALON] the song(s) of the Siren(s) Wow! Amazing to see the contrast of opinions around here. Manifesto is truly one of my favorite Roxy albums. The title track - a variation on a pop art manifesto by Claes Oldenberg - makes such a brooding, serious, art-damaged intro for what is basically a great disco album. I love the contrast of it. "Angel Eyes" - with all the mirrored glamour that a late 70's RM song ought to have, and "Trash," - such great lyrics - "Heavy Metal Trick or Treat." Great songs abound on this album! "My Little Girl," "Ain't that So," "Still Falls the Rain." and all are kept nicely within a unified theme - "heavy" Euro culture meets Studio 54 teenage kitsch. In fact, to me, Manifesto is almost a comment on the differences between European and American culture - both youthful, one looking back, the other looking forward. I wonder, did this album coincide with Ferry's years in L.A? Heather On Tue, 14 Mar 2000, Decophile wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Colleen Matan > To: avalon@smoe.org > Date: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 5:00 PM > Subject: [AVALON] the song(s) of the Siren(s) > > >I never really liked the albums which followed _Siren_ (I don't even own > >_Manifesto_), with the exception of _Avalon_ (which, also, in a way I'd > >say is not exactly a Roxy album either). And I really liked parts of the > After waiting 3 years for the new Roxy album, Manifesto came as a huge shock > with the absents of Jobson, or even a replacement, leaving an obvious void > in their music that made it almost painful to listen to. With the exception > of Spin Me Round, neither Manifesto or Flesh and Blood did anything for me > and the same goes for Avalon although I agree it`s the best of the post > Siren albums. The song Avalon always seemed to me too close to Spin Me Round > and IMO, Spin Me Round is a better song. Heather Marie Buch asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:30:32 -0500 (EST) From: Heather Marie Buch Subject: Re: [AVALON] Day For Night On Tue, 14 Mar 2000, eman96 wrote: That's interesting, eman. You mentioned B movies so I wonder - was that technique used in "Plan 9 From Outer Space?" Heather > I wrote a song called "Day for Night," about ten years before BF did. > (Although not half as good I am sure!)/ > > "Day for night" refers to the illusion of filming a night time scene, in the > day time. > > Filming "day for night." French film criticism refered to this as "american > night." > > This was typically done in noir films, or B Movies. The "night" always > looks somewhat > unreal, surreal, or downright laughably fake. > > It is an illussion. > > What they did was film a scene that was obviously suppose to follow > sequentially as a night scene, > during the day. They would either stop down the exposure, or print down the > negative to make it look darker, almost like night -- but you can almost > always tell the "moonlight" is too bright in many areas. > > e > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > http://www.mit.edu/~hmbuch/ Heather Marie Buch asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:34:32 -0500 (EST) From: Heather Marie Buch Subject: Re: [AVALON] September Song Oh, listen to your ATGB. I think it's the last song. And I *believe* (correct me if I'm wrong) that it was written by Kurt Weill, a great German composer to came to America and began working on Broadway. He wrote "The Three Penny Opera," which features that great song that McDonalds ruined a few years ago, "Mack the Knife." Heather On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 ecwoods@mindspring.com wrote: > I've heard references to "September Song" during the last month or so, but > I'm not familiar at all with that one. Where does this appear? I guess one > got by me. > > Crystal > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:47:34 -0500 (EST) From: Heather Marie Buch Subject: Re: [AVALON] Goth Talk Lots of goths in Chicago! I wasn't *really* a goth, but I was into Bauhaus in a big way for a long time. Peter Murphy's first solo album, "Should the World Fail to Fall Apart," (if my memory serves me) is really good. After that, his solo stuff didn't do much for me. Sure, go see him live. I think the goth kids worship him too much and take the whole thing far too seriously though, as you will discover. I would love to see that SNL spoof. It sounds wonderful. Heather On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 jas2347@xsite.net wrote: > Avalonians: > > artist for some time. I only know of Bauhaus thru Bela Lugosi is Dead ( > from The Hunger). I was not into the Goth thing, but understand that he > had a big hand in it. I understand Bauhaus split up an the other members > became Love and Rockets ( I do know of them). Has anyone watched the > Saturday Night Live segments that featured Goth Talk? It's a hoot. > > I have heard a few of his songs before (Cuts You up, The Sweetish Touch > (?)), but am not up on the rest of his catalog. His performance and > mannerisms suugested a pixie like David Bowie with a hint of the Ziggy > persona. Maybe our British contingent can give me lowdown on him. Is > he popular over there? He seems to have a cult following over here. > The club/goth kids came out in droves. Incidentially, he played the > same theatre that Bryan played here in November-the Riviera. > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 06:43:19 PST From: "mark shanahan" Subject: [AVALON] siren, et al. [long] >From: "Decophile" >-----Original Message----- >From: Colleen Matan > >I never really liked the albums which followed _Siren_ (I don't >even own >_Manifesto_), with the exception of _Avalon_ (which, also, >in a way I'd >say is not exactly a Roxy album either). [snip] >After waiting 3 years for the new Roxy album, Manifesto came as a huge >shock with the absents of Jobson, or even a replacement, leaving an obvious >void in their music that made it almost painful to listen to. With the >exception of Spin Me Round, neither Manifesto or Flesh and Blood did >anything for me [snip] well, let me add in and say that 'siren' is probably my favorite as well. i say probably, because almost all of them vie for that spot & moods change, etc. but i think that there is no other roxy album (that is considered to truly be roxy) that is as _complete_ as 'siren'. melodic in a very natural sense. conceptual, as jim r. pointed out (not that others weren't) - party boy playboy to victim of love rejected to disillusioned celebrator of love to jaded/bitter lover longing for one last kiss, etc. with 'both ends burning' in the latter third. 'manifesto' has always been a *weird* album to me as well - mainly soundwise. and, you're right gene - there is no bridge for that gap between the two, and it shows. jobson leaves an empty space there - and the drastic change in keyboards - wo! i haven't a clue as to the equipment used, but the keyboards sound very _farfisa_ (sp? to me. even the vocals seem different. and it sounds somewhat muddy as well, to me. i have to disagree w/'flesh & blood' however. i know a lot of people think that _this_ is the height of 'fluff' for roxy, but there are quite a few songs that i really like. but - the production on this one is a bit strange too. and 'avalon' - whether a thinly disguised ferry solo effort or not - will always hold a special place for me. >So the question is weather or not we`ll ever see Ferry going back to his >rock roots and release an album *of new material* for the fans who rocked >to Roxy. it would be nice to think he took killip's on-line chat question (re: derbyshire/FYP) to heart - updated to 2000. but, as usual, it seems rather hard to guess just what bryan has in store. i have to say, though - how much time has he got? i really don't like to assume, but i would think we're _probably_ looking at a five year window here ... ???? i would suppose it all depends on how long the voice holds out - and whether he'd just go into an exclusive recording life, or even instrumentals (?). the latter is doubtful, but who knows? peaces/ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:52:51 -0600 From: Kimberly Shell Subject: [AVALON] Goth Talk -Reply Jas: (excuse the off-topic post) I'm SO jealous you went to the Peter Murphy show! I was dying to go, but alas, I could not find a date! <<< I know little of him outside of the fact that he was a founding(?) member of Bauhaus and that he has been a solo artist for some time. I only know of Bauhaus thru Bela Lugosi is Dead (from The Hunger).>>> OH MY GOD - my ABSOLUTE FAVOURITE MOVIE EVER!!! The opening scene where Bauhaus plays the club and David and Catherine pick up that couple is the BEST!! <<< Has anyone watched the Saturday Night Live segments that featured Goth Talk? It's a hoot.>>> Hilarious - I miss that skit- is that guy who is in that one who also plays monkey-boy still on the show? Jas - thanks for the mini-review of Pete's show! Next time he's in town - we'll go!! Cool? - -kim - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:13:33 -0500 From: "Ujvary, Richard A." Subject: RE: [AVALON] siren, et al. [long] Speaking of voice, if anybody got to hearing Mr. Lightfoot lately you'd wonder what's in his voicebox. Time did a number on him. For the most part, Ferry should knock wood that he doesn't sound too different from the earlier days. At least there's "recognition". I'd wonder how his career would've fared if,in fact, his voice changed alot from what it once was back when he first started doing the rounds. Rich - -----Original Message----- From: mark shanahan [mailto:m_shanahan@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 9:43 AM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] siren, et al. [long] probably_ looking at a five year window here ... ???? i would suppose it all depends on how long the voice holds out - and whether he'd just go into an exclusive recording life, or even instrumentals (?). the latter is doubtful, but who knows? peaces/ms ______________________________________________________ - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 07:24:05 PST From: "mark shanahan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Slave To Love Tracks >From: "Ivor Canning" >No, I'm *not* saying they are similar songs, just that they both took me a >while to get used to ! [snip] I no longer think it's the worst thing he's >ever done and, as I say, I hear the sound of a man enjoying the chance to >sing a simple upbeat song. right - no, i didn't think you were comparing them as *similar*. i don't know that it's the worst thing he's ever done; those will more than likely stay in the vault! but - 'a man enjoying to sing a simple, upbeat song ' - OK - i understand the idea/concept & the reason it was recorded ... >I just wanted to illustrate that 'Dance...' IMO has a strong 'folky' >element both in the melody and in the straightforward lyric. gotcha. still need to listen again. i did so last evening, but not without some distractions - and understand the folk connection there. > > are you including the lost celine dion covers album? >I don't know, what does she cover, 'Strictly Confidential' ? S8^D uh, i meant vice-versa, as a bit of a joke ... another _absurdist_ thing (you can now laugh loudly because it's *so* funny!). peaces/ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:13:37 +0100 From: "Pierluigi Marchetti" Subject: [AVALON] Real Video of the Milan concert Hi all, the webcast of Bryan's concert in Milan (March 7th) is up online: http://www.kataweb.it/kbn/speciali/ferry/ferry.html (Direct link is http://www.kwmusica.kataweb.it/musica/news/real/ferry.ram; it's not the entire concert anyway, I guess, being only 30' long). Ciao from Italy... Pierluigi U2 Backstage www.u2backstage.com/ *Drop the debt now!* www.jubilee2000uk.org/ - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 09:43:00 -0500 From: ecwoods@mindspring.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] September Song Thanks to both Heathers and Colleen for the info on "September Song." My copy of ATGB went MIA about three days after I bought it, case and all. I don't think I even made it through to the end both ttimes I listened to it, so I really didn't remember that one being on there. I'll have to suck it up and purchase that one again, I guess. Thanks--Crystal > > It's on _As Time Goes By._ > > Colleen > > > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 10:10:09 -0500 From: ecwoods@mindspring.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] the song(s) of the Siren(s) I suppose it's because I explored all of the RM albums well after their releases, but I've never really listen to the older albums from start to finish the way I do the later ones (F&B forward). I'm almost ashamed to say that because there was so much "new" material in the spotlight when I got into Ferry, whatever early RM material I didn't connect with the first three or four times through were ignored. For this reason the first five albums _all_ sound pretty disjointed to me. But I've been inspired by all of you to go back and listen to them again as whole units and see what I connect with now instead of picking and choosing. I'm sure it will make a huge difference in the way I view the the early material. My favorite song off _Manifesto_ is "Stronger Through the Years." One can almost hear "No Strange Delight" taking shape somewhere in the distance. And while I'm on F&B, I don't think any album has better continuity. "Fluff" or no, each song melts into the next, almost imperceptibly. It's very well done, IMHO. Crystal - ---- Original Message ----- From: Heather Marie Buch Subject: Re: [AVALON] the song(s) of the Siren(s) > > Wow! Amazing to see the contrast of opinions around here. Manifesto is > truly one of my favorite Roxy albums. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:50:53 PST From: "mark shanahan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Real Video of the Milan concert pierluigi - thanks so much! he looks good, as many have been telling as the tour winds around. can't hear it all, trying to listen at work, but it sounds great from what i can make out. thanks again. peaces/ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:07:08 EST From: Gal410@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] My Roxy RE-masters... (particularly Siren!) Siren is also my favorite RM/BF album. It would be my "desert island" #1 choice, of any album made. Stranded follows right behind. My vote is in! Heidi In a message dated 3/15/00 4:33:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, SIMONG@jazzfm.com writes: << I never realised that Siren was held in such low esteem as I think it's one of the best Roxy albums (behind Stranded and FYP). My least favourite of the first five is Country Life, which has some very good songs on it, but there are three complete stinkers (3&9, If It Takes All Night and Triptych) and it doesn't flow well as an album. A bit like Bowie's Aladdin Sane which is just sequenced completely wrong. Thanks god for cd, and the programme and random buttons. SimonG >> - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:39:38 -0000 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Goth Talk Jas gets all serious when he asks: > I don't want to go off on a tangnet but.... > Does anyone have any info on Peter Murphy? I remember Peter Murphy was part of the short-lived 'Dali's Car' project with Mick Karn of Japan. As far as I know, it only lasted for one album 'The Waking Hour' (1984) which comes across like seven different versions of 'Strictly Confidential' crossed with Eno's 'Kurt's Rejoinder' and blended with Japan's 'The Art Of Parties'. The album is dominated by Karn's huge, exotic bass sound and occasional bass clarinet. Suffice it to say it's not an everyday listen but it is a very distinctive album with some tremendous ideas and tuneful weirdness. Regards, Ivor. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:32:40 -0900 From: Karen Roth Subject: [AVALON] no longer stranded Just wanted to let you all know that I picked up my "Stranded" cd yesterday from the record store. Thanks to all of you that offered to help me attain this cd. I love it and I'm listening to it right now. Lots of great songs!! Karen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:34:36 PST From: "mark shanahan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Goth Talk >From: "Ivor Canning" >I remember Peter Murphy was part of the short-lived 'Dali's Car' project >with Mick Karn of Japan. As far as I know, it only lasted for one album >'The Waking Hour' (1984) [snip] this is a good album that showcases both the excellent bass playing of mick karn (highly underrated IMO) and murphy's deep vocals. lyrics by murphy, music by karn (if i remember correctly). it was the only album, though there may have been a few shows involved (?), but i'm fairly sure no tour ... peaces/ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:40:26 -0500 (EST) From: Heather Marie Buch Subject: Re: [AVALON] no longer stranded Glad to hear it Karen. You're actually ahead of me. I don't have Stranded. But I have most the songs on my "TTOIA" CD, so I'm happy. Ciao, Heather On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, Karen Roth wrote: > Just wanted to let you all know that I picked up my "Stranded" cd yesterday > from the record store. Thanks to all of you that offered to help me attain > this cd. I love it and I'm listening to it right now. Lots of great songs!! > > Karen > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > http://www.mit.edu/~hmbuch/ Heather Marie Buch asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:18:41 GMT From: "Andrew Shearer" Subject: Re: [AVALON] September Song I don't know if anyone has already mentioned but Lou Reed did a brilliant version of the song around '85. Andrew >From: Heather Marie Buch >Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org >To: avalon mailing list >Subject: Re: [AVALON] September Song >Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:34:32 -0500 (EST) > >Oh, listen to your ATGB. I think it's the last song. And I *believe* >(correct me if I'm wrong) that it was written by Kurt Weill, a great >German composer to came to America and began working on Broadway. He wrote >"The Three Penny Opera," which features that great song that McDonalds >ruined a few years ago, "Mack the Knife." > >Heather > >On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 ecwoods@mindspring.com wrote: > > > I've heard references to "September Song" during the last month or so, >but > > I'm not familiar at all with that one. Where does this appear? I guess >one > > got by me. > > > > Crystal > > > > > > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:27:10 PST From: "mark shanahan" Subject: [AVALON] jerry & ferry i realize i've probably hit my limit for postings today, but ... did anyone stateside catch the jerry hall 'profile'/true story on e!TV last night (9EST)? i knew it was going to be on, forgot all about it and then caught the program about 15-20 minutes into it. in it, friends of hall's (mainly liz derringer, wife/ex-wife of rick derringer) and a biographer of jagger's said that while ferry was off on tour in japan, hall hooked up w/jagger - they consumated their relationship (and were jet-setting to various & locations) - - while engaged to ferry and bryan had absolutely no clue. that is, until he read about it in the news ... i know it's been gone over before, but this seems to conflict with - well, mainly jerry's side of the story (and, various reports given on the list previously). mainly, that bryan really didn't want her around on tour (and wouldn't call her for the two months) - and had, in effect, broken it off with *her*. but if her friends are saying he didn't know - ? i'm not *so* morbidly curious, but since it's been talked about ... we might as well know the truth. does anyone know what it is? should i be talking about this? i suppose it's bordering on tabloid stupidity ... peaces/ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:59:42 -0600 From: Kimberly Shell Subject: [AVALON] jerry & ferry -Reply mark said: <<>> Yes - I watched the show - that bitch Jerry Hall . . .. . I read her book back in high school (Tall Tales) and the way SHE tells it is very similar to the way it was reported last night. However, the E show seemed to embellish Bryan's "devastation" more than she did. Although - she did say he had no idea, she lied to him as to her whereabouts and he was caught quite off guard. Strangely, I know more of her side of the story than his, as he doesn't talk about it much - what do you think? Was he duped in reality or relieved that he didn't have to officially dump her? They WERE still engaged right? Don't you think he was really broken hearted? The people interviewed last night seemed to think so and that he was really very much in love w/ her. . . . tramp! - -k- - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V5 #106 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest