From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #97 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Friday, March 10 2000 Volume 05 : Number 097 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Petworth 23 June ["Richard Swift" ] [AVALON] Re: Threads & sexuality [MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty)] Re: [AVALON] sartor resartus ["Will Frechette" ] Re: [AVALON] sartor resartus ["Victor Hastings" ] Re: [AVALON] sartor resartus [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] sartor resartus [Heather Marie Buch ] Re: [AVALON] sartor resartus [Lynn Hoskins ] Re: [AVALON] First RM?BF video [Kimberly Shell ] Re: [AVALON] sartor resartus [Heather Marie Buch ] Re: [AVALON] sartor resartus [William Sommers ] Re: [AVALON] Re: Threads & sexuality [Irene Adler ] Re: [AVALON] sartor resartus [Colleen Matan ] [AVALON] Before The Buggles Came... [RODEISLRED@aol.com] RE: [AVALON] Re: Threads & sexuality [Heather Marie Buch ] Re: [AVALON] sartor resartus [Heather Marie Buch ] RE: [AVALON] Re: Threads & sexuality [Karen Roth ] Re: [AVALON] sartor resartus [Colleen Matan ] [AVALON] Video History [Lynn Hoskins ] [AVALON] Re : Spell checker [MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty)] RE: [AVALON] Re: Threads & sexuality [Heather Marie Buch ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:23:32 -0000 From: "Richard Swift" Subject: [AVALON] Petworth 23 June My tickets for this arrived today so those who booked by post should also be receiving theirs shortly. Thanks again to Robert for the advance notice. Richard - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 15:23:52 -0600 (CST) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty) Subject: [AVALON] Re: Threads & sexuality Heather is right, whatever our view is or isn't on Ferry. Some of you will no doubt agree , disagree & go on. WE do agree however we like Ferry are we wouldn"t be here. Sexuality-character of being male or female -sexual. We would all hope to attract because we have a look. How would others perceive you by that look. Is it the eyes, hair , walk , smile clothes,smell ,an appeal .Complex, but something that draws you to someone. Some people or very good at it ,others no! The attraction that will either turn you on or off. Ferry is sexy, he has it when hes on stage , that magical something he becomes when he first opens his mouth to sing. He becomes whatever he wants at that time transforming himself to wherever in his mind he wants to be & the audience along with it .His song "These Foolish Things" ,---as he sings "The smile of Garbo & the scent of Roses. The waiter whislles as the lights are closing. The song that Crosby sings. These Foolish Things remind me of you"--. He seems to always favor all the nostalgic romantic era. My oberservation only .M.Marlana K........ - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 15:37:03 -0600 From: "Will Frechette" Subject: Re: [AVALON] sartor resartus Got it, but wasn't the first video, Video Killed the Radio Star, by the Buggles. or was it just the first video MTV showed. Will - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Hoskins" > If we're going to talk about the "dawn of the video era" and how it > impacted attire in the music business, we really should give credit > to the man who invented MTV for being the first to make a video > fashion statement. Anyone recall what Michael Nesmith was wearing in > the first ever music video, "Rio?" Hmmmm? :) Ferry and Bowie were > stylin' in the UK, but Nesmith turned a lot of heads in the U.S. with > his fancy duds. (Check out the cover of the "Elephant Parts" video. > Why, it's a tux!) > > However, I think that a little too much importance is being placed on > video. Seems to me it was too new (in the mid-late '70's) for > artists to appreciate it's importance. So, I guess I disagree that > the suits worn by the artists you mention were created solely for the > video camera. How about the live audience? That's where these > artists placed their emphasis. > > Lynn - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 16:35:10 -0500 From: "Victor Hastings" Subject: Re: [AVALON] sartor resartus it was the first one shown on mtv. michael nesmith is often credited with producing the very first rock video. i have also heard captain beefheart credited with that achievement. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Will Frechette" To: Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] sartor resartus > Got it, but wasn't the first video, Video Killed the Radio Star, by the > Buggles. or was it just the first video MTV showed. > > Will > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lynn Hoskins" > > If we're going to talk about the "dawn of the video era" and how it > > impacted attire in the music business, we really should give credit > > to the man who invented MTV for being the first to make a video > > fashion statement. Anyone recall what Michael Nesmith was wearing in > > the first ever music video, "Rio?" Hmmmm? :) Ferry and Bowie were > > stylin' in the UK, but Nesmith turned a lot of heads in the U.S. with > > his fancy duds. (Check out the cover of the "Elephant Parts" video. > > Why, it's a tux!) > > > > However, I think that a little too much importance is being placed on > > video. Seems to me it was too new (in the mid-late '70's) for > > artists to appreciate it's importance. So, I guess I disagree that > > the suits worn by the artists you mention were created solely for the > > video camera. How about the live audience? That's where these > > artists placed their emphasis. > > > > Lynn > > > > > > -------------------- > To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail > majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 16:45:52 -0500 (EST) From: Heather Marie Buch Subject: Re: [AVALON] sartor resartus It was the first video MTV broadcasted, or so I read in my "Art of Music Video Catalog," from a video art exhibit that appeared at The American Cinematheque, MFA in Boston, Wexner Center in Ohio, and the Long Beach Museum of Art...unfortunately I don't have the year. I suppose that would be easy to look up for someone with a fast Internet connection... Heather On Fri, 10 Mar 2000, Will Frechette wrote: > Got it, but wasn't the first video, Video Killed the Radio Star, by the > Buggles. or was it just the first video MTV showed. > > Will > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lynn Hoskins" > > If we're going to talk about the "dawn of the video era" and how it > > impacted attire in the music business, we really should give credit > > to the man who invented MTV for being the first to make a video > > fashion statement. Anyone recall what Michael Nesmith was wearing in > > the first ever music video, "Rio?" Hmmmm? :) Ferry and Bowie were > > stylin' in the UK, but Nesmith turned a lot of heads in the U.S. with > > his fancy duds. (Check out the cover of the "Elephant Parts" video. > > Why, it's a tux!) > > > > However, I think that a little too much importance is being placed on > > video. Seems to me it was too new (in the mid-late '70's) for > > artists to appreciate it's importance. So, I guess I disagree that > > the suits worn by the artists you mention were created solely for the > > video camera. How about the live audience? That's where these > > artists placed their emphasis. > > > > Lynn > > > > > > -------------------- > To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail > majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > http://www.mit.edu/~hmbuch/ Heather Marie Buch asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 16:46:10 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] sartor resartus On Fri, 10 Mar 2000, Will Frechette wrote: > Got it, but wasn't the first video, Video Killed the Radio Star, by the > Buggles. or was it just the first video MTV showed. It was the first video MTV showed. As I just posted this morning. Colleen - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 16:51:22 -0500 (EST) From: Heather Marie Buch Subject: Re: [AVALON] sartor resartus the Residents had a video in 1972 - "Whatever Happened to Vileness Fats." Devo's "In the Beginning Was the End" (Secret Agent Man and Jocko Homo) was from 1977. Buggles first album came out in 1980. Heather On Fri, 10 Mar 2000, Will Frechette wrote: > Got it, but wasn't the first video, Video Killed the Radio Star, by the > Buggles. or was it just the first video MTV showed. > > Will > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lynn Hoskins" > > If we're going to talk about the "dawn of the video era" and how it > > impacted attire in the music business, we really should give credit > > to the man who invented MTV for being the first to make a video > > fashion statement. Anyone recall what Michael Nesmith was wearing in > > the first ever music video, "Rio?" Hmmmm? :) Ferry and Bowie were > > stylin' in the UK, but Nesmith turned a lot of heads in the U.S. with > > his fancy duds. (Check out the cover of the "Elephant Parts" video. > > Why, it's a tux!) > > > > However, I think that a little too much importance is being placed on > > video. Seems to me it was too new (in the mid-late '70's) for > > artists to appreciate it's importance. So, I guess I disagree that > > the suits worn by the artists you mention were created solely for the > > video camera. How about the live audience? That's where these > > artists placed their emphasis. > > > > Lynn > > > > > > -------------------- > To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail > majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > http://www.mit.edu/~hmbuch/ Heather Marie Buch asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:57:56 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins Subject: Re: [AVALON] sartor resartus Hi Will, >Got it, but wasn't the first video, Video Killed the Radio Star, by the >Buggles. or was it just the first video MTV showed. Did you know that was a question a couple weeks ago on "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire?" (Okay, I admit it...I like Regis!!) Yes, "Video Killed the Radio Star" was the first video that MTV showed. I guess they didn't think "Rio" was good enough. ;) I remember the birth of MTV very clearly as I was a college radio DJ at the time and everybody was talking about it. When Mike Nesmith was touring in Australia, he got the idea from Top 40 TV shows there that played video clips. He liked the idea so much that when he returned to the U.S. he put together a prototype - a half-hour show called "Popclips." He ended up selling his show and concept to... some company (I can't remember the name) and this idea became MTV. Victor wrote: >michael nesmith is often credited with producing the very first rock video. >i have also heard captain beefheart credited with that achievement. I've heard that, too. But I'm not sure it's true. (The Nesmith credit, not the Beefheart credit.) Maybe he was the first in the U.S.? Or maybe he was the first to do a "rock" video (as opposed to pop)? I know Beefheart's bass player so I just might ask him if he knows. I'm sorry, I've really gotten off the subject of Roxy Music. To get back on track, what was the very first Roxy Music video? (I'm asking because I don't know, this isn't a quiz. :) Lynn - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 16:11:38 -0600 From: Kimberly Shell Subject: Re: [AVALON] First RM?BF video <<>> This IS a good question - anyone know the answer?? And the first Bry solo video. . . . ?? - -kim - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:12:38 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins Subject: Re: [AVALON] sartor resartus Heather wrote: >the Residents had a video in 1972 - "Whatever Happened to Vileness Fats." >Devo's "In the Beginning Was the End" (Secret Agent Man and Jocko Homo) >was from 1977. Buggles first album came out in 1980. The Devo thing wasn't actually a music video. It was a 16mm movie that they played at the beginning of of each gig to explain their philosophy of De-Evolution. I don't believe anyone was working with videotape in 1972, so perhaps the Residents' piece was 16mm (or 8mm!) as well. I don't know enough about the Residents to be certain. The Buggles' first single was released in the UK toward the end of '79. MTV went on the air in early 1981. I'm out of factoids. Lynn - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:31:13 -0500 (EST) From: Heather Marie Buch Subject: Re: [AVALON] sartor resartus On Fri, 10 Mar 2000, Lynn Hoskins wrote: > Heather wrote: > > >the Residents had a video in 1972 - "Whatever Happened to Vileness Fats." > >Devo's "In the Beginning Was the End" (Secret Agent Man and Jocko Homo) > >was from 1977. Buggles first album came out in 1980. > > The Devo thing wasn't actually a music video. It was a 16mm movie > that they played at the beginning of of each gig to explain their > philosophy of De-Evolution. I don't believe anyone was working with > videotape in 1972, so perhaps the Residents' piece was 16mm (or 8mm!) Nam June Paik, Vito Acconci ('73), Dan Graham, Joan Jonas, but these were artists, not musicians. Devo's 1977 "Mongoloid" was a film. You're probably right about the Jocko Homo, but as to the Residents, I have a reference in this video art catalog that I cited earlier: "The Residents were probably the first to begin exploring the possibilities of music video per se (the 1972 Vileness Fats project) and remain the underground's definitive audio/visual concept band." The label in my catalog doesn't specifically say that video was the medium for that Residents 1972 project, but I think one can make a pretty safe assumption based upon the above quote, if Michael Nash, former video art curator of the Long Beach Museum of Art, is correct. Heather > as well. I don't know enough about the Residents to be certain. The > Buggles' first single was released in the UK toward the end of '79. > MTV went on the air in early 1981. > > I'm out of factoids. > > Lynn > > > > > -------------------- > To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail > majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > http://www.mit.edu/~hmbuch/ Heather Marie Buch asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:33:14 -0800 From: William Sommers Subject: Re: [AVALON] sartor resartus At 04:51 PM 3/10/00 -0500, Heather Marie Buch wrote: > the Residents had a video in 1972 - "Whatever Happened to Vileness > Fats." Good to hear. Found at www.nezfriends.com: "...This was followed in 1976 by the LP From A Radio Engine To A Photon Wing and featured the hit single "Rio". On the heels of "Rio's" chart success, Nesmith produced its filmed accompaniment, and in the process, helped set a precedent for modern day music videos." Which certainly had me puzzled, as I distinctly remember George Harrison's "Crackerjack Palace" appearing during the first season of Saturday Night Live -- 1975 (might have been very early 1976). -wfs - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:46:48 -0800 (PST) From: Irene Adler Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Threads & sexuality IT'S PRILOSEC AND SPELLCHECKER TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - --- Mary Korfanty wrote: > Heather is right, whatever our view is or isn't on > Ferry. Some of you > will no doubt agree , disagree & go on. WE do agree > however we like > Ferry are we wouldn"t be here. Sexuality-character > of being male or > female -sexual. We would all hope to attract because > we have a look. How > would others perceive you by that look. Is it the > eyes, hair , walk , > smile clothes,smell ,an appeal .Complex, but > something that draws you to > someone. Some people or very good at it ,others no! > The attraction that > will either turn you on or off. Ferry is sexy, he > has it when hes on > stage , that magical something he becomes when he > first opens his > mouth to sing. He becomes whatever he wants at that > time transforming > himself to wherever in his mind he wants to be & the > audience along with > it .His song "These Foolish Things" ,---as he sings > "The smile of Garbo > & the scent of Roses. The waiter whislles as the > lights are closing. > The song that Crosby sings. These Foolish Things > remind me of you"--. He > seems to always favor all the nostalgic romantic > era. My oberservation > only .M.Marlana K........ > > > > > > -------------------- > To disentangle yourself from these bickering > numbnuts, mail > majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:50:46 -0900 From: Karen Roth Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: Threads & sexuality Thank you Irene, that was sweet. -----Original Message----- From: Irene Adler [mailto:ms_irene_adler@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 1:47 PM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Threads & sexuality IT'S PRILOSEC AND SPELLCHECKER TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --- Mary Korfanty wrote: > Heather is right, whatever our view is or isn't on > Ferry. Some of you > will no doubt agree , disagree & go on. WE do agree > however we like > Ferry are we wouldn"t be here. Sexuality-character > of being male or > female -sexual. We would all hope to attract because > we have a look. How > would others perceive you by that look. Is it the > eyes, hair , walk , > smile clothes,smell ,an appeal .Complex, but > something that draws you to > someone. Some people or very good at it ,others no! > The attraction that > will either turn you on or off. Ferry is sexy, he > has it when hes on > stage , that magical something he becomes when he > first opens his > mouth to sing. He becomes whatever he wants at that > time transforming > himself to wherever in his mind he wants to be & the > audience along with > it .His song "These Foolish Things" ,---as he sings > "The smile of Garbo > & the scent of Roses. The waiter whislles as the > lights are closing. > The song that Crosby sings. These Foolish Things > remind me of you"--. He > seems to always favor all the nostalgic romantic > era. My oberservation > only .M.Marlana K........ > > > > > > -------------------- > To disentangle yourself from these bickering > numbnuts, mail > majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:51:26 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] sartor resartus On Fri, 10 Mar 2000, Heather Marie Buch wrote: > On Fri, 10 Mar 2000, Lynn Hoskins wrote: > > > Heather wrote: > > > > >the Residents had a video in 1972 - "Whatever Happened to Vileness Fats." > > >Devo's "In the Beginning Was the End" (Secret Agent Man and Jocko Homo) > > >was from 1977. Buggles first album came out in 1980. > > > > The Devo thing wasn't actually a music video. It was a 16mm movie > > that they played at the beginning of of each gig to explain their > > philosophy of De-Evolution. I don't believe anyone was working with > > videotape in 1972, so perhaps the Residents' piece was 16mm (or 8mm!) [...] > "The Residents were probably the first to begin exploring the > possibilities of music video per se (the 1972 Vileness Fats project) and > remain the underground's definitive audio/visual concept band." > > The label in my catalog doesn't specifically say that video was the medium > for that Residents 1972 project, but I think one can make a pretty safe > assumption based upon the above quote, if Michael Nash, former video art > curator of the Long Beach Museum of Art, is correct. Not to put too fine a point on it, but while it was a video, but it was not a music video, per se. It was meant to be a full-length film (14 hours of video completed and only 2/3 of what served as the script filmed) with their own music, and not a music video as we are--or at least I thought we were--talking about with respect to MTV, etc., that is, a video set to a discrete single or album track. The problem with mixing terms and not keeping to strict definitions is that sooner or later you end up taking about The Residents. Anyway, Lynn asked: > I'm sorry, I've really gotten off the subject of Roxy Music. To get > back on track, what was the very first Roxy Music video? (I'm asking > because I don't know, this isn't a quiz. :) I have no idea, but I'm going to guess "Virginia Plain." (btw Lynn, you should also contact Martin to see if he has any more copies of the list's video compilation left.) Colleen - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:54:10 EST From: RODEISLRED@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Before The Buggles Came... There were these things in the mid sixties called Scopitones which were short film clips featuring musicians (usually) miming along to their songs in various surreal production numbers. They were then show in 'film jukeboxes' in bars where patrons could put their money in and see a particular clip. I have a collection of these and they very much the precursor to MTV and they are great, very 'Roxy' in their aesthetic. One of the more famous ones is 'Tell Him' with the Exciters miming along to their hit while exploring a playground. - --Red - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:58:35 -0500 (EST) From: Heather Marie Buch Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: Threads & sexuality I often wonder what would happen if we were all put into a big room together. Any ideas? Heather On Fri, 10 Mar 2000, Karen Roth wrote: > Thank you Irene, that was sweet. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Irene Adler [mailto:ms_irene_adler@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 1:47 PM > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Threads & sexuality > > IT'S PRILOSEC AND SPELLCHECKER > TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > --- Mary Korfanty wrote: > > Heather is right, whatever our view is or isn't on > > Ferry. Some of you > > will no doubt agree , disagree & go on. WE do agree > > however we like > > Ferry are we wouldn"t be here. Sexuality-character > > of being male or > > female -sexual. We would all hope to attract because > > we have a look. How > > would others perceive you by that look. Is it the > > eyes, hair , walk , > > smile clothes,smell ,an appeal .Complex, but > > something that draws you to > > someone. Some people or very good at it ,others no! > > The attraction that > > will either turn you on or off. Ferry is sexy, he > > has it when hes on > > stage , that magical something he becomes when he > > first opens his > > mouth to sing. He becomes whatever he wants at that > > time transforming > > himself to wherever in his mind he wants to be & the > > audience along with > > it .His song "These Foolish Things" ,---as he sings > > "The smile of Garbo > > & the scent of Roses. The waiter whislles as the > > lights are closing. > > The song that Crosby sings. These Foolish Things > > remind me of you"--. He > > seems to always favor all the nostalgic romantic > > era. My oberservation > > only .M.Marlana K........ > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------- > > To disentangle yourself from these bickering > > numbnuts, mail > > majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > > > > -------------------- > To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail > majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > > > > -------------------- > To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail > majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > http://www.mit.edu/~hmbuch/ Heather Marie Buch asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:01:42 -0500 (EST) From: Heather Marie Buch Subject: Re: [AVALON] sartor resartus On Fri, 10 Mar 2000, Colleen Matan wrote: > Not to put too fine a point on it, but while it was a video, but it was > not a music video, per se. It was meant to be a full-length film (14 > hours of video completed and only 2/3 of what served as the script filmed) > with their own music, and not a music video as we are--or at least I > thought we were--talking about with respect to MTV, etc., that is, a video > set to a discrete single or album track. > I guess that was more of a documentary? > The problem with mixing terms and not keeping to strict definitions is that > sooner or later you end up taking about The Residents. I guess they'll always do in a pinch. Heather k - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:00:30 -0900 From: Karen Roth Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: Threads & sexuality There would have to be lots of booze and food and BF/RM wafting from the stereo. e and Irene would kill each other and I would hang with Monkeyboy and Noam. -----Original Message----- From: Heather Marie Buch [mailto:hmbuch@mit.edu] Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 1:59 PM To: 'avalon@smoe.org' Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: Threads & sexuality I often wonder what would happen if we were all put into a big room together. Any ideas? Heather On Fri, 10 Mar 2000, Karen Roth wrote: > Thank you Irene, that was sweet. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Irene Adler [mailto:ms_irene_adler@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 1:47 PM > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Threads & sexuality > > IT'S PRILOSEC AND SPELLCHECKER > TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > --- Mary Korfanty wrote: > > Heather is right, whatever our view is or isn't on > > Ferry. Some of you > > will no doubt agree , disagree & go on. WE do agree > > however we like > > Ferry are we wouldn"t be here. Sexuality-character > > of being male or > > female -sexual. We would all hope to attract because > > we have a look. How > > would others perceive you by that look. Is it the > > eyes, hair , walk , > > smile clothes,smell ,an appeal .Complex, but > > something that draws you to > > someone. Some people or very good at it ,others no! > > The attraction that > > will either turn you on or off. Ferry is sexy, he > > has it when hes on > > stage , that magical something he becomes when he > > first opens his > > mouth to sing. He becomes whatever he wants at that > > time transforming > > himself to wherever in his mind he wants to be & the > > audience along with > > it .His song "These Foolish Things" ,---as he sings > > "The smile of Garbo > > & the scent of Roses. The waiter whislles as the > > lights are closing. > > The song that Crosby sings. These Foolish Things > > remind me of you"--. He > > seems to always favor all the nostalgic romantic > > era. My oberservation > > only .M.Marlana K........ > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------- > > To disentangle yourself from these bickering > > numbnuts, mail > > majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > > > > -------------------- > To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail > majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > > > > -------------------- > To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail > majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > http://www.mit.edu/~hmbuch/ Heather Marie Buch asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:09:27 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] sartor resartus On Fri, 10 Mar 2000, Heather Marie Buch wrote: > On Fri, 10 Mar 2000, Colleen Matan wrote: > > > Not to put too fine a point on it, but while it was a video, but it was > > not a music video, per se. It was meant to be a full-length film (14 > > hours of video completed and only 2/3 of what served as the script filmed) > > with their own music, and not a music video as we are--or at least I > > thought we were--talking about with respect to MTV, etc., that is, a video > > set to a discrete single or album track. > > > I guess that was more of a documentary? Uh, on the chance you honestly don't know (that Michael Nash doesn't elaborate), no, it was a film. Here is the synposis from www.residents.com (if your only knowledge of this band is from catalogs to museum shows, you might enjoy poking around on the site a bit--really): - ----- Because the film and script were never completed, let along released, the story of Vileness Fats is rather difficult to describe. It deals with the community of Vileness Flats, a town populated by round one-armed midgets. (The film's name was changed to "Fats" later for no adequately explained reason, while the town retained the original "Flats") The synopsis here is deduced from a number of sources and may not be entirely accurate, but it should give you an idea of what's going on: _________________________________________________________________ [The Atomic Shopping Carts] Vileness Flats is being threatened by the Atomic Shopping Carts, armoured carts with huge drills on the front (the props were "borrowed" from a local Safeway). [The Banquet (Steve, Arf, and Omega)] A Bridge keeps the Shopping Carts away, but the villagers also hire the Berry Boy twins, a pair of Siamese twin tag-team wrestlers named Arf & Omega, to protect them. The twins fight off the Carts, saving Vileness Flats, and are honoured with a banquet. The mayor thanks the pair and Steve, Vileness Flats' religious leader, gives a long, boring speech. The twins heckle him, throwing their dinner (giant broccoli) at him and he stomps off, depressed. [The Bell Boys] [The Bridge] The defeat of the Shopping Carts leads to a new problem, however. The Bell Boys are a gang of midgets who live in the desert on the other side of the Bridge. They disguise themselves as meat and cross the now-safe Bridge to steal the real meat in the village, and their raids are depriving the villagers of necessary protein. [Steve] Steve has his own problems as well. No-one except his mother (played by Marge Howard) knows that he is really two people. [Lonesome Jack and Mother] Not only is he Steve, religious leader of Vileness Flats, but he is also Lonesome Jack, the leader of the Bell Boys and mastermind of the raids. To complicate matters further, both Steve and Jack are in love with an immortal Indian princess, Weescoosa (Sally Lewis), who has been spending eternity searching for her true love. Whenever it looks like she has found him, however, he dies. [Weescoosa] The raids by the Bell Boys are causing unrest in the village and fights are breaking out due to the lack of food. The villagers ask the Berry Boys to deal with the attacks, and they agree. [Peggy Honeydew] Before they do anything, however, they head off to a local nightclub to relax. The first act is a performance of Eloise, a song from The Residents' unreleased album Baby Sex. Next comes a song sung by Peggy Honeydew, the nightclub's singer (played by Margaret Smik). Honeydew flirts with both of the twins, getting each jealous of the other. She is part of a plan to get rid of the two so that Lonesome Jack and his boys will be free to attack the village, and it works. The two become enraged with each other and have a knife-fight right there in the club, killing each other. Steve, confused and worried about the whole mess, decides to jump into a local volcano to get rid of the problems. And that's about as far as the film got. _________________________________________________________________ - ----- This survives now only in a half hour format of stuff they could salvage. Colleen (who has actually not seen it) - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 15:16:28 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins Subject: [AVALON] Video History Re: >the Residents had a video in 1972 - "Whatever Happened to Vileness >Fats." From http://www.residents.com : "The Residents are pioneers in music video, having worked with the art form since 1972. Their first project was a full-length feature film, Vileness Fats, which was abandoned in 1976. The project was not lost, however, as some of the completed footage was re-edited into a half-hour video called Whatever Happened to Vileness Fats?. Since Vileness Fats The Residents have produced many music videos and are counted by many among the inventors of the genre. Their video works are now part of the permanent collection at The Museum of Modern Art in New York City." There's a complete listing of all their videos at: http://www.residents.com/video/videos.html I THINK (I'm going by memory here so don't hold me to it) that the reason Michael Nesmith is credited with creating the first music video has to do with the *style* of his video. I believe that he broke new ground with "Rio" because of its production (camera work, editing, etc.) and that it set a precedent for how music videos should/would look. William pulled a statement from a Nez Web site that mentioned "modern day music video." I think that's the key. I'm still searching for Roxy Music's video history. I checked the Roxy Music Archives but couldn't find any video info. I'm probably not looking in the right place. Lynn - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:44:07 -0600 (CST) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty) Subject: [AVALON] Re : Spell checker If all we did was look for someones spelling errors Irene, we'd never get anything done. I'm glad you can look at the s's & the T's to see if there crossed & the I's if they are dotted. We can get on with discussing Ferry. I never said I was perfect . M.Marlana K......... - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:17:06 -0500 (EST) From: Heather Marie Buch Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: Threads & sexuality You know, that sounds like a damned good time. I wonder if we should have a convention in Vegas? We'd have to warn them about Monqui. Heather On Fri, 10 Mar 2000, Karen Roth wrote: > There would have to be lots of booze and food and BF/RM wafting from the > stereo. e and Irene would kill each other and I would hang with Monkeyboy > and Noam. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Heather Marie Buch [mailto:hmbuch@mit.edu] > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 1:59 PM > To: 'avalon@smoe.org' > Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: Threads & sexuality > > I often wonder what would happen if we were all put into a > big room > together. Any ideas? > > Heather > > On Fri, 10 Mar 2000, Karen Roth wrote: > > > Thank you Irene, that was sweet. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Irene Adler > [mailto:ms_irene_adler@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 1:47 PM > > To: avalon@smoe.org > > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Threads & > sexuality > > > > IT'S PRILOSEC AND SPELLCHECKER > > TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > --- Mary Korfanty > wrote: > > > Heather is right, whatever our view is or > isn't on > > > Ferry. Some of you > > > will no doubt agree , disagree & go on. WE > do agree > > > however we like > > > Ferry are we wouldn"t be here. > Sexuality-character > > > of being male or > > > female -sexual. We would all hope to > attract because > > > we have a look. How > > > would others perceive you by that look. Is > it the > > > eyes, hair , walk , > > > smile clothes,smell ,an appeal .Complex, > but > > > something that draws you to > > > someone. Some people or very good at it > ,others no! > > > The attraction that > > > will either turn you on or off. Ferry is > sexy, he > > > has it when hes on > > > stage , that magical something he becomes > when he > > > first opens his > > > mouth to sing. He becomes whatever he > wants at that > > > time transforming > > > himself to wherever in his mind he wants > to be & the > > > audience along with > > > it .His song "These Foolish Things" ,---as > he sings > > > "The smile of Garbo > > > & the scent of Roses. The waiter whislles > as the > > > lights are closing. > > > The song that Crosby sings. These Foolish > Things > > > remind me of you"--. He > > > seems to always favor all the nostalgic > romantic > > > era. My oberservation > > > only .M.Marlana K........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------- > > > To disentangle yourself from these > bickering > > > numbnuts, mail > > > majordomo@smoe.org with: > > > unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! > Messenger. > > http://im.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > -------------------- > > To disentangle yourself from these bickering > numbnuts, mail > > majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > > > > > -------------------- > > To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, > mail > > majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > > > http://www.mit.edu/~hmbuch/ > > Heather Marie Buch asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu > > > > > > > > -------------------- > To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail > majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > > > > -------------------- > To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail > majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > http://www.mit.edu/~hmbuch/ Heather Marie Buch asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V5 #97 *************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest