From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #94 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Thursday, March 9 2000 Volume 05 : Number 094 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Psycho Manifesto ["gareth mc ginley" ] [AVALON] Taxi's undergrowth ["gareth mc ginley" ] [AVALON] Fw: Listen Now and the Diamond Headers (a pretty long post, for me) ["eRacerX" ] Re: [AVALON] Psycho Manifesto ["Ivor Canning" ] Re: [AVALON] Taxi's undergrowth ["Chan" ] [AVALON] Re: [801] Making room for Manzanera - Noam? [Noam Bronstein ] Re: [AVALON] Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame [Lynn Hoskins ] Re: [AVALON] Psycho Manifesto [Heather Marie Buch Subject: Re: [AVALON] Psycho Manifesto The siren wrote: "the siren" >Always felt it was the other way round. So did the press at the time in >many of their blunt statements etc. Byrne always sounded like a manic >version of Ferry. He's an admirer too. BTW, I really like Byrne/TH, but >they were influenced by, IMHO, not influencers of BF. The Manifesto - and >STTY - bass lines are far more jaco pastorius than weymouth! > Just wanted to say that whenever Robert Fedder posts, with his new address, I get this image of him screeching "BOTH ENDS BURNING, BUUUUURNING" in high heels, bright red lipstick, and a tight red rubber skirt, head bopping, arms swaying back and forth. Is it intentional? It's a rather horrific image anyway. You must get a new e-mail address man. It's just too much to bear. Loved the comparisons between Manifesto (the song) and Psycho Killer. Both very similar musically and in theme. Manifesto's one of Ferry's most forceful lyrics, where he has all the answers and there's no room for a second opinion. Another good example of this is Stone Woman. It's got that authoritarian feel "What do you find on the street tonight, nothing" and "Let's be cool about, Oh we're cool about it now". Very bitter and hence very emotional. "Let's be cool about it" also kinda sums Ferry up in a way. Btw, isn't the Ferry suit on the F&B tour very Byrne-like. And didn't one of the backing singers for New Town also appear on Stop Making Sense? Wonder how she'd compare them. Regards, Gareth ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 11:23:38 GMT From: "gareth mc ginley" Subject: [AVALON] Taxi's undergrowth Bahi has us all well educated on the references to Peel and The Day the World Stood Still on the "Rescue Me" track on Taxi. If you listen to the beginning of All Tomorrows Parties (before the opening vocals) very, very carefully there seems to be something playing over this part of the track also. It sounds like a group of people in a great deal of panic. Any ideas? Could it be yet more film references? Gareth ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:54:30 -0500 From: "eRacerX" Subject: [AVALON] Fw: Listen Now and the Diamond Headers (a pretty long post, for me) wfs struck me down with a resounding slap: > Well (oh, the irony) I think we know who doesn't have "Listen Now", for... That's one reason I stay on the list! Your (combined) memory is much better than mine. Now I will risk it all with this commentary: I have not listened to LN in quite a few years, because I didn't like it when it was new, and I didn't like it on the second try either. If memory serves, I think it was because of that Simon Ainley guy. Maybe I did like it, but can't remember because of all the drugs I took in the 60's. Whatever. I will give it another try, now that I am older and presumably wiser. (however, if that tenant holds to be true, I wouldn't have responded to this thread) I have not bought a Manzanera record since Primitive Guitars. I don't own any Explorers, save the first 12" single, because it sucks. I don't like the Wetton/Manzanera record, and I am a fan of both guys. I only have Eddie Riff and the Rock Follies soundtrack. I never bought any of Eddie J's stuff, except the first UK, and my purchase was not because of his involvement. I do have the Rik Kenton single, and I play The Players Christmas CD every year. I even bought the first Split Enz, because you-know-who produced it. I have the Winkies LP (I don't know if there are any more than one) I used to have plenty of disposable income. I play Diamond Head, Quiet Sun, 801 Live, and Eno product up until the ambient stuff (except 'Airports' which I really get into for some reason) , and I need CD versions to keep that up, as they are all getting a little noisy. I WILL listen to Listen Now , now (well, later tonight), and I intend to report back to the group my findings. You are correct Will, 3 songs pair Eno and Eddie: Flight 19, Island and Postcard Love. I had to go look at the inner sleeve. If anyone were to make an offer, I'd sell a bunch of the crap I have bought over the years, including all those Ferry 12" , picture discs, Japanese 45's, giant posters, etc etc etc etc. I am just too lazy to make a list of all of it. Jeez, what has that giant pile of vinyl ever done for me? If 'everything' comes out on a box set, why would I keep the 45's I bought because of a B side? Someone probably wants them, and I can take the $ and replace the old LP's with CDs. I am over it. I would rather have all the music, rather than every version of the product. Thanks for listening now, - H. "My anus is the centerhole." - J. Geils Band - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 08:55:03 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Psycho Manifesto On Tue, 7 Mar 2000 ecwoods@mindspring.com wrote: > I always wondered if Byrne's huge suits were a parody of--or maybe an > back-handed tribute to--those of our Cool Ruler. Any thoughts? If my increasingly sieve-like memory isn't failing me, I believe that at that time that suit was thought to be more a commentary--if not a response--to the wardrobe of suits Mr. Bowie had worn on his "Serious Moonlight" tour, since that tour and Mr. Bowie's "comeback" had been plastered on every possible news outlet. Now had Mr. Bowie done it because of Mr. Ferry? Who cares. Colleen - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 09:10:23 -0500 From: "Ujvary, Richard A." Subject: RE: [AVALON] Taxi's undergrowth When I listen to some of the songs on Taxi that instrument called the theremin comes to mind. It's in movies like Spellbound and Day Earth Stood Still. I bet it even was in The Thing. I think Ferry likes that weird, eerie sound that he apparently gets out of the synths on the songs(guess he can't get hold of one of those things). Rich - -----Original Message----- From: gareth mc ginley [mailto:ginley71@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 6:24 AM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Taxi's undergrowth Bahi has us all well educated on the references to Peel and The Day the World Stood Still on the "Rescue Me" track on Taxi. If you listen to the beginning of All Tomorrows Parties (before the opening vocals) very, very carefully there seems to be something playing over this part of the track also. It sounds like a group of people in a great deal of panic. Any ideas? Could it be yet more film references? Gareth ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 15:52:32 +0100 From: "Pierluigi Marchetti" Subject: [AVALON] Video broadcast of the Italian concert(s) Hi all... Italian music site Kataweb will soon broadcast Italian concerts in Real Video, though it is still unknown which concert and when: www.kwmusica.kataweb.it/ I found there are also several articles (all in Italian, sorry) on Bryan and Roxy on Kataweb: www.kwmusica.kataweb.it/kwmusica/news/sezione_new/0,4166,cover-1-5161,00.htm l www.kwmusica.kataweb.it/kwmusica/news/sezione_new/0,4166,cover-1-5159,00.htm l Bryan interviewed by Sylvie Simmons/IFA: www.kwmusica.kataweb.it/kwmusica/news/sezione_new/0,4166,interviste-- 2440,00.html By the way there's a very good review of the Milan concert here: www.repubblica.it/quotidiano/repubblica/20000309/spettacoli/45ferry.html PS: Marvellous pictures, Cecilia!!:) Ciao from Italy... Pierluigi U2 Backstage www.u2backstage.com/ *Drop the debt now!* www.jubilee2000uk.org/ - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 18:44:57 -0500 From: ecwoods@mindspring.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Psycho Manifesto I remember the oversized Bowie suits now. I forget he was in the "fashion mix" at that time. Good to know. Crystal - ----- Original Message ----- From: Colleen Matan > On Tue, 7 Mar 2000 ecwoods@mindspring.com wrote: > > > I always wondered if Byrne's huge suits were a parody of--or maybe an > > back-handed tribute to--those of our Cool Ruler. Any thoughts? > Colleen wrote: > If my increasingly sieve-like memory isn't failing me, I believe that at > that time that suit was thought to be more a commentary--if not a > response--to the wardrobe of suits Mr. Bowie had worn on his "Serious > Moonlight" tour, since that tour and Mr. Bowie's "comeback" had been > plastered on every possible news outlet. > > Now had Mr. Bowie done it because of Mr. Ferry? Who cares. > > Colleen > > > > > > -------------------- > To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail > majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 08:05:36 PST From: "mark shanahan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Psycho Manifesto >From: "Victor Hastings" >i have always enjoyed the talking heads, although a friend once pointed out >to me that david byrne sings like barney rubble talks. he's right. i always liked TH too. someone i know liked them a lot too - they stole my copy of 'buildings & food', but i never did find out who it was! thhppffft! byrne is sort of like ferry on a wild acid trip, to my mind. or barney rubble on acid - or both. i would assume he's dropped a *bit* more than ferry as well, although i wouldn't know that for a fact. peaces/ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:14:29 -0000 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Psycho Manifesto Lynn, Having had a quick listen to the two, I can see what you mean. Interestingly though, it's Tina Weymouth's bass which carries the rhythm in 'Psycho Killer' while it's PM's guitar which holds the beat in 'Manifesto' while 'Gazza' Tibbs picks out a slower solo underneath until the song starts when Tibbs then takes over the rhythm. Funnily enough, listening to 'Psycho Killer' looking for influences, I heard echoes of 'Love Is The Drug'... Regards, Ivor. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Lynn Hoskins To: Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 8:31 PM Subject: [AVALON] Psycho Manifesto > Passing thought... > > When "Manifesto" (the song, not the album) came out, did anyone > besides me think they might have been influenced by Talking Heads' > "Psycho Killer" just a little? There's the Eno connection, you know. > Compare the opening bass lines and guitar, everything prior to when > the vocals come in. At the time, it really jumped out at me. Now, > I'm not so sure... > > Lynn > > > > > -------------------- > To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail > majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 09:46:48 -0800 From: "Chan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Taxi's undergrowth I thought of the theremin too, but it's listed as Witch on the cd..hehe. Here's another idea for a discussion: I've also felt that a collection of Bryan's songs would fit nicely into a movie. I can picture an entire movie where Bryan's music would provide the soundtrack for, especially tracks like Taxi and The Only Face. Chan depmode@earthlink.net "Beneath my hands your small breasts are the upturned bellies of breathing fallen sparrows." - Leonard Cohen - -----Original Message----- From: Ujvary, Richard A. To: 'avalon@smoe.org' Date: Thursday, March 09, 2000 6:12 AM Subject: RE: [AVALON] Taxi's undergrowth :When I listen to some of the songs on Taxi that instrument called the :theremin :comes to mind. It's in movies like Spellbound and Day Earth Stood Still. :I bet it even was in The Thing. I think Ferry likes that weird, eerie sound :that he :apparently gets out of the synths on the songs(guess he can't get hold of :one of those things). :Rich : :-----Original Message----- :From: gareth mc ginley [mailto:ginley71@hotmail.com] :Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 6:24 AM :To: avalon@smoe.org :Subject: [AVALON] Taxi's undergrowth : : :Bahi has us all well educated on the references to Peel and The Day the :World Stood Still on the "Rescue Me" track on Taxi. If you listen to the :beginning of All Tomorrows Parties (before the opening vocals) very, very :carefully there seems to be something playing over this part of the track :also. It sounds like a group of people in a great deal of panic. Any :ideas? Could it be yet more film references? : :Gareth :______________________________________________________ :Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com : : : : : :-------------------- :To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail :majordomo@smoe.org with: :unsubscribe avalon : : : : :-------------------- :To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail :majordomo@smoe.org with: :unsubscribe avalon : - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 09:47:25 -0800 (PST) From: Noam Bronstein Subject: [AVALON] Re: [801] Making room for Manzanera - Noam? On "Listen Now", Eno and Jobson both have general credits as "Musicians". I don't have a breakdown of who played on which track on my album copy. It sounds like I should look for Diamond Head next. Listen Now strikes me as one of those rare bleak-scapes that isn't really depressing to listen to for some reason. To me at least.. I grew up on depressing English 70's rock - Dire Straits, Pink Floyd, 10cc etc.. so I "can take it" so to speak. But this record has something else going for it. It's not as uplifting say, as "Who Came First"... but it's not a downer either. The title track comes off a bit preachy, but after that first song this album shines (sparkles, almost). Noam William Sommers wrote: At 11:44 PM 3/7/00 -0500, eRacerX wrote: > DH is the gem of all the RM solo records. Not to mention the only > appearance of Eno and Eddie J. on the same song. ( Please feel free > to correct me, Mighty Gurus of Avalon ) They're both on (I believe... working from memory at the moment) three of its tracks. Definitely Postcard Love and Flight 19, in any case. -wfs ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 10:43:34 PST From: "mark shanahan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Video broadcast of the Italian concert(s) >From: "Pierluigi Marchetti" >Italian music site Kataweb will soon broadcast Italian concerts in Real >Video, though it is still unknown which concert and when: >www.kwmusica.kataweb.it/ this 'reminds' me somewhat - has anyone been able to get a recording of a current show with 'out of the blue' and/or 'oh yeah'? thanks. peaces/ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:59:33 -0800 (PST) From: Noam Bronstein Subject: [AVALON] Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame Ujvary, Richard A. wrote: Going to be interesting with Roxy/Ferry....if Zal and the Lovin Spoonful got in sheesh....ok it's nice tuneful stuff ok but Hall of Fame? Rich - ------- This is from the "Induction Process" on their site rockhall.com: Artists become eligible for induction 25 years after the release of their first record. Criteria include the influence and significance of the artist’s contributions to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll. The Foundation’s nominating committee, composed of "rock and roll historians" , selects nominess each year.. blah blah blah Yet a search for RM on the site produces: http://63.66.212.79/search/search.asp?keyword=roxy+music A grahical robot face and the words - Sorry, "roxy music" yielded no results. Try making your search criteria less specific. Morons! I'd predict Van Halen gets in there before Roxy does.. based on gross tonnage of U.S. record sales anyhow. - -Noam ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 12:13:58 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins Subject: Re: [AVALON] Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame Noam wrote: >Morons! > >I'd predict Van Halen gets in there before Roxy does.. based on gross >tonnage of U.S. record sales anyhow. By some strange coincidence, a friend in Ohio just e-mailed me a commentary from a Cleveland paper on this very subject. The article does mention Roxy Music so I hope that make it on-topic enough for the list. Lynn - ---- ROCK HALL SNUBS ARTISTS OF '70S The Plain Dealer Cleveland, Ohio March 5, 2000 by Clint O'Connor It's only fitting that the decade known for Nixon's ruin and really bad haircuts is being largely ignored by the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum. The rock hall's all-powerful New York foundation and its nominating committee regularly snub early '70s artists from induction into that weird building on the lake with no parking. The New York nominators look at the '60s and see the Beatles, the Rolling Stones and Jimi Hendrix. They look at the '70s and see a vast wasteland of initials: BTO, REO, ELO. But the big rock clock is ticking. The hall which holds its annual induction ceremony tomorrow in New York faces a dilemma: What to do now that it's running out of seminal '60s artists? The prerequisite for induction, that you must have released your first record at least 25 years ago, has brought us to 1975. Potential inductees are nominated by a committee at the New York Foundation. Ballots are then sent to about 1,000 "rock experts." The rock hall has done a wonderful job of recognizing rock's early influences and nonperformers, and honoring a bevy of solid-gold R&B talent. But now, going by the minus-25 rule, they are knee-deep in the album-rock era, while ignoring some of its most prolific purveyors. They have repeatedly shunned early-'70s bands and singers, or artists who started out in the '60s but made their biggest mark in the '70s: Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Steely Dan, Jethro Tull, Little Feat, War, Yes, Alice Cooper, King Crimson, Mott the Hoople, Roxy Music, Boz Scaggs, Ry Cooder and Bob Seger, to name a few. Singer-songwriters like Jackson Browne and Cat Stevens have also been ostracized, as have '70s siren Linda Ronstadt, rock heavyweight Leon Russell, and writer-producer-performer-engineer (he'd probably change your tires if you asked) Todd Rundgren. There's also Canton's the O'Jays, Chicago, the Marshall Tucker Band, Lynyrd Skynyrd, and the everlasting Texas trio ZZ Top. All are eligible. Only four have been nominated: the O'Jays, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Steely Dan, and Black Sabbath, which has been on the ballot three times. (Last year, Sabbath frontman Ozzy Osbourne grew weary of the process and asked that the band's name be withdrawn.) Most of them will probably never make it because their decade is utterly overshadowed by the '60s. And there are still plenty of performers from the '60s waiting for the nod: Joe Cocker, the Moody Blues, Traffic, Procol Harum, the Turtles, Neil Diamond, Judy Collins. Cocker is a likely addition. The Moody Blues have lost points because they look kind of old and annoying now on their PBS specials. The rest don't have much of a chance, except perhaps Traffic. The rock hall has to figure out some way to get the multitalented Steve Winwood inducted, and it might as well be with the innovative Traffic. One fact in favor of early '70s artists is that the rock hall has already lowered the bar. The Mamas and the Papas are enshrined. The Lovin' Spoonful goes in tomorrow. Translation: Everyone, including Uncle Ernie's Skiffle Flaggers, is now eligible. The rock hall can no longer posture about the sanctity of its honorees, not with the Young Rascals and Four Seasons taking up space. The good news: The rock hall has already inducted Led Zeppelin, David Bowie, Bruce Springsteen, Elton John, Bob Marley, Pink Floyd, the Allman Brothers Band, Carlos Santana, the Eagles and Fleetwood Mac, artists with enormous effect on the '70s and beyond. James Taylor, Bonnie Raitt and Earth, Wind & Fire will be added tomorrow. So the nominators are far from blind. It's more like tunnel vision. They seem so caught up in rock-righteous explanations of "importance" and "influence" that they have forgotten which performers people were going to see in concert back then, what albums they were listening to. The hall also needs more women. Now that Raitt is going in, does that help Linda Ronstadt's chances? If she is voted in, will that open the doors for Carly Simon, Roberta Flack, Emmylou Harris, Janis Ian and Joan Armatrading? They could languish for years, dismissed as too soft (Simon and Flack), too country (Harris), too Joan Baezish (Ian) or, like Armatrading, too removed from the mainstream. Still, they need bodies. Somebody has to bridge the gap between the '60s superstars and the late-'70s/early '80s critics' darlings like the Sex Pistols, Talking Heads, Police, the Clash, U2 and R.E.M. Those New York gatekeepers are going to have to break down and invite some '70s album-rockers. But who, and when? (c)2000 The Plain Dealer - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 20:25:18 -0000 From: "Killip family" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eddie Jobson/Curved Air - ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Neuhaus" To: Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 3:34 AM Subject: [AVALON] Eddie Jobson/Curved Air . > Any other recollections of this band? Absolutely. I saw Curved Air in my home town of Douglas, Isle of Man in the high summer of either 1974 or '75 I can't quite recall..., post Eddie anyway. The band included Darryl Way and Francis Monkman (later 801 of course) but for myself and my testosterone-fuelled teenage cohorts the star was Sonja Kristina the vocalist, a striking woman indeed. The sound was very Crimson-hippy-rock if that makes any sense, but the band were musically very proficient and the gig was definately a success. I bought 1 C.A. single (Back Street Love) and one album, the live one with a bi-plane on the sleeve. Incidentally, the venue (since demolished!) was due to have hosted a Roxy concert in the summer of '73 but this was one of a handful cancelled as a consequence of the Eno departure. Boy, was I unhappy! David Killip mo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 20:30:56 -0000 From: "Killip family" Subject: Re: [AVALON] "River" triples There's also a punchy version on the soundtrack album of the movie "The Commitments" David Killip - ----- Original Message ----- From: "tfagan" To: Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 1:34 AM Subject: [AVALON] "River" triples > My car tape of the Reverend Al Green's , followed by Bryan Ferry's , > followed by Talking Heads' "Take Me to the River" --> *bliss*. > > --TriTri > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lynn Hoskins > "The Bride Stripped > >Bare," has KILLER covers of "Hold On (I'm Coming)" and "Take Me To > >The River." Whoops, better get that one, too. :) > > > > > > > > > > -------------------- > To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail > majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 15:32:58 -0500 From: "Ujvary, Richard A." Subject: RE: [AVALON] Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame He probably will if they go by those stats. The hard dollars and units of sales do figure prominently with all the performers now in the Hall. It's like how they keep score. If Roxy has a hard time getting in it's back to irony again where you'll have a group that sort of went against traffic in a revolutionary business and made other tracks in its wake but still can't get recognized....what a day for a daydream....... Rich - -----Original Message----- From: Noam Bronstein [mailto:LoJoe@rocketmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 3:00 PM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame Ujvary, Richard A. wrote: Going to be interesting with Roxy/Ferry....if Zal and the Lovin Spoonful got in sheesh....ok it's nice tuneful stuff ok but Hall of Fame? Rich - ------- This is from the "Induction Process" on their site rockhall.com: Artists become eligible for induction 25 years after the release of their first record. Criteria include the influence and significance of the artist's contributions to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll. The Foundation's nominating committee, composed of "rock and roll historians" , selects nominess each year.. blah blah blah Yet a search for RM on the site produces: http://63.66.212.79/search/search.asp?keyword=roxy+music A grahical robot face and the words - Sorry, "roxy music" yielded no results. Try making your search criteria less specific. Morons! I'd predict Van Halen gets in there before Roxy does.. based on gross tonnage of U.S. record sales anyhow. - -Noam ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 12:34:55 -0800 (PST) From: Noam Bronstein Subject: [AVALON] Re: Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame Lynn wrote: .... and Black Sabbath, which has been on the ballot three times. (Last year, Sabbath frontman Ozzy Osbourne grew weary of the process and asked that the band's name be withdrawn.) Most of - ---- Ugh. You just heard the sound of me biting off a pidgeon's head; I'm putting a noose around my neck now and jumping off.. bye ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:15:03 -0500 From: "Victor Hastings" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame actually i find a certain amount of perverse enjoyment in watching these old farts grow old in the semi-limelight. it's amazing how people forget just how badly these performers sucked during the supposed prime of their careers. now that they've qualified for senior citizen discounts, everybody seems to think that they are lots better than they ever were. cases in point include david crosby, ozzy osborne and nearly anybody who made a disco album in the '70s. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Noam Bronstein" To: Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 3:34 PM Subject: [AVALON] Re: Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame > Lynn wrote: > .... and Black Sabbath, which has been on the ballot > three times. (Last year, Sabbath frontman Ozzy Osbourne grew weary of > the process and asked that the band's name be withdrawn.) Most of > ---- > > Ugh. > You just heard the sound of me biting off a pidgeon's head; I'm putting > a noose around my neck now and jumping off.. bye > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > > > > -------------------- > To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail > majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:25:29 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: [AVALON] first one from column A... Lynn asked: > What do the rest of you think...which Bryan Ferry solo album(s) would > you recommend to a friend? I think it's easier to think of his solo output as being divided by the covers vs. original (or mostly original) albums (although there are definite style differences pre- and post-_Manifesto_). And I think both groups have some standouts. I'd probably recommend that someone actually start with one of the original albums, but Lynn's comments about _Another Time, Another Place_ got me curious enough to dig that out and so here I am on this track (albeit somewhat sidetracked in my listening last night with the arrival of the Vice Squad and their breaking down of the door of my neighbor's abode. Now I suppose it's my own fault for living here in Ye Old Trailer Park of D.C., but then again, if you've spent any significant amount of time in my residence and had the chance to meet at least one of my other neighbors you will see how absolutely astounding this really was. Actually, if you met the old money Georgetownian they arrested, you'd be equally astounded. But I digress.). In rough order of diminishing preference, here is how I would recommend the covers albums: 1. _These Foolish Things_ Maybe it's not as tight or as neat as the later covers albums, or maybe it's just that it's not as claustrophobic as they are; at the very least it's the complete opposite from the covers album I rank last. I love the sparkling "These Foolish Things," the campy "Sympathy For The Devil," the joyful "Loving You Is Sweeter Than Ever." Or his cover of "Baby, I Don't Care," which puts a lie to the obsession some people have with his perceived obsession with "coolness." As in "you're so square/baby, I don't care." Which is further bolstered by his brilliant, inspired, and never-fails-to-cheer-me-up crooning of "It's My Party (And I'll Cry If I Want To)" to which he has the balls (and the irony) to sing the unaltered lyrics. 2. _Another Time, Another Place_ Lynn wrote: > I kinda liked "Another Time, Another Place," but truth be told I > thought Bryan was too good to be doing so many covers. "In Your > Mind" proved me right. I guess I just prefer an angst-filled, > intense Bryan over Bryan the Crooner. You know Lynn, you might give it a spin if you haven't in a while. It had always been the red-haired stepchild of my Ferry stuff, but listening to it again was a revelation. I guess everyone in America now knows "The 'In' Crowd" as "the Blockbuster song" but what struck me is how it's the basis later for "Ain't That So." I'd forgotten that "It's Funny How Time Slips Away" is on there--OK, so maybe The Rev. Mr. Green's better, but this one isn't too shoddy. Or how about how "You Are My Sunshine" expands before your very eyes, erm, ears as it goes on. And how about how sad that song really is? Because what really struck me is that there is some angst here--particularly in "It Ain't Me Babe" and "Help Me Make It Through The Night." There's also a real New Orleans feel in places on the walking piano line which isn't always carried by the piano--which also came a nice surprise. This album is also home to the spectacular and perfect "Smoke Gets In Your Eyes." 3. _Taxi_ Worth it for "I Put A Spell On You" and "Will You Love Me Tomorrow." And a few others too, but these are the absolute standouts. 4. _Let's Stick Together_ Personally, if I never hear the title track again, I could die a happy woman. My favorite covers on this album are "Casanova" and "Chance Meeting," and that pretty much sums it up. Again, worth it, but not as the first introduction. 5. _As Time Goes By_ "Men cluster to me/like moths around a flame" gets changed to "Girls..." in "Falling In Love Again." Which pretty much sums up 85% of this album. > (I think all of these are in the process of being re-mastered, correct?) Yes, but the trick is actually getting your hands on them (which others can speak to with more experience than I). And the originals will have to wait for another day. Colleen - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:33:43 EST From: KRNCHSE@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Psycho Manifesto Allt his talk of TH ,suits etc just got me thinking about a wonderfull shop that used to be in Dover St,just off Picadilly.It was,Scott Crolla-and i,m not sure where I got this from,but I heard he was involved with TH image etc?Anyone know ?It would put my mind at rest.Sadly this fine Dandy emporium closed its doors many waistband inches ago.From its Wedgewood blue Rococco interior,to the marvelous Boho-Sloaney offerings,it was the finest diversion between Cork St and Saville Row..... DM. - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 21:34:01 GMT From: "gareth mc ginley" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Taxi's undergrowth & movies Richard Uvarjay wrote: >:When I listen to some of the songs on Taxi that instrument called the >theremin comes to mind. Interesting but what I was referring to wasn't an instrument. There's definitely voices on the beginning of All Tomorrows Parties. The only problem is that it's only audible to dogs i.e. real anoraks stuff this. Chan wrote: > >I've also felt that a collection of Bryan's songs would fit nicely into a >movie. I can picture an entire movie where Bryan's music would provide the >soundtrack for, especially tracks like Taxi and The Only Face. Good point. I remember hearing Bryan's version of Are You Lonesome Tonight whilst watching Honeymoon In Vegas (before I'd heard it on cd) and thinking how great he is at restyling these songs. Everyone else on the soundtrack was just trying their very best to sound like Elvis. Ferry was unmistakable. Gareth ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:57:32 -0500 From: "Decophile" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame - -----Original Message----- From: Noam Bronstein To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Thursday, March 09, 2000 3:03 PM Subject: [AVALON] Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame >Yet a search for RM on the site produces: >http://63.66.212.79/search/search.asp?keyword=roxy+music >A grahical robot face and the words - Sorry, "roxy music" yielded no >results. Try making your search criteria less specific. > >Morons! > But, if you type in "Morons" you get "R&R Hall Of Fame." Heh! Go figure. Gene - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:42:04 -0600 (CST) From: Heather Marie Buch Subject: Re: [AVALON] Psycho Manifesto On Thu, 9 Mar 2000, Colleen Matan wrote: > > > > On Tue, 7 Mar 2000 ecwoods@mindspring.com wrote: > > > I always wondered if Byrne's huge suits were a parody of--or maybe an > > back-handed tribute to--those of our Cool Ruler. Any thoughts? > > If my increasingly sieve-like memory isn't failing me, I believe that at > that time that suit was thought to be more a commentary--if not a > response--to the wardrobe of suits Mr. Bowie had worn on his "Serious > Moonlight" tour, since that tour and Mr. Bowie's "comeback" had been > plastered on every possible news outlet. > > Now had Mr. Bowie done it because of Mr. Ferry? Who cares. > And yet, that is an interesting question, as was Crystal's, as well as Gareth's, about Ferry's suit on the F&B tour being very "Byrne-like." I think 80's music was characterized by an obsession with clothing and style, possibly as a reaction (or maybe a continuation of) punk, which itself was a reaction to the grungy 70's (as we've all heard over and over, in the now perfected "punk myth"). Aside from the obvious reactionary aspect, new wave was the first pop cultural movement that really exploited video, (after broadcast television, of course, and the late 60's/early 70's avant-garde experimentations of Nam June Paik, Ant Farm, Bruce Nauman and other video artists). For these late 70's/early 80's bands, it became necessary to create video images of themselves, which meant perfecting and distinguishing themselves through a "look," whether it was the euro-suavity of Ferry, the retro-kitsh of the B-52's, the slightly off-kilter "normality" of the Talking Heads and Devo, or the surreal freakishness of the Residents. So I think that, just as the topic of the white tuxedo is intesting and important because it was such an integral part of Ferry's look, other questions about the various images of 80's bands are interesting ones indeed, because they shed light on the video movement, an essential part of 80's pop. 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