From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #93 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Thursday, March 9 2000 Volume 05 : Number 093 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Some Other Spring ["the siren" ] Re: [AVALON] Psycho Manifesto ["the siren" ] Re: [AVALON] Psycho Manifesto [Lynn Hoskins ] Re: [AVALON] Psycho Manifesto ["Victor Hastings" ] [AVALON] Re; lingo [MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty)] [AVALON] Off topic: software ["Victor Hastings" ] [AVALON] "River" triples ["tfagan" ] Re: [AVALON] "River" triples [Lynn Hoskins ] Re: [AVALON] Psycho Manifesto ["tfagan" ] Re: [AVALON] "River" triples ["Tim Kendrick" ] [AVALON] Eddie Jobson/Curved Air [David Neuhaus ] [AVALON] Additional CD-R Copies Of Older Shows ["Jeffrey F. Jones" ] [AVALON] review, first act [Cecilia Tonon ] Re: [AVALON] Additional CD-R Copies Of Older Shows ["Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Some Other Spring Where did I read that SoS was BF's favourite song? Or did I hear it when he was interviewed on Sydney radio station around mamouna tour time? Robert >Colleen wrote: > >>And let's not forget [Some Other Spring] from "The 39 Steps", which >>has got to be a reference to Billie Holliday, no? > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 22:14:26 GMT From: "the siren" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Psycho Manifesto Always felt it was the other way round. So did the press at the time in many of their blunt statements etc. Byrne always sounded like a manic version of Ferry. He's an admirer too. BTW, I really like Byrne/TH, but they were influenced by, IMHO, not influencers of BF. The Manifesto - and STTY - bass lines are far more jaco pastorius than weymouth! >From: Lynn Hoskins >Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: [AVALON] Psycho Manifesto >Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 12:31:23 -0800 > >Passing thought... > >When "Manifesto" (the song, not the album) came out, did anyone >besides me think they might have been influenced by Talking Heads' >"Psycho Killer" just a little? There's the Eno connection, you know. >Compare the opening bass lines and guitar, everything prior to when >the vocals come in. At the time, it really jumped out at me. Now, >I'm not so sure... > >Lynn > > > > >-------------------- >To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail >majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 14:42:33 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins Subject: Re: [AVALON] Psycho Manifesto >Always felt it was the other way round. So did the press at the time in >many of their blunt statements etc. Byrne always sounded like a manic >version of Ferry. He's an admirer too. BTW, I really like Byrne/TH, >but they were influenced by, IMHO, not influencers of BF. The Manifesto >- and STTY - bass lines are far more jaco pastorius than weymouth! I probably have my dates all screwed up. Thanks for correcting the timeline. I just happened to hear "Psycho Killer" first. Weren't Byrne/Harrison performing "PK" sans Weymouth for a while in England before "'77" came out? Boy, my brain is getting a workout today. It does make more sense, I have to say, that Talking Heads would "lift" that bass line from Roxy rather than the other way around. Lynn - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 17:53:20 -0500 From: "Victor Hastings" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Psycho Manifesto also, the heads' tune 'big country' from their second album takes its title from a line in 'prairie rose.' i have always enjoyed the talking heads, although a friend once pointed out to me that david byrne sings like barney rubble talks. he's right. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Hoskins" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Psycho Manifesto > >Always felt it was the other way round. So did the press at the time in > >many of their blunt statements etc. Byrne always sounded like a manic > >version of Ferry. He's an admirer too. BTW, I really like Byrne/TH, > >but they were influenced by, IMHO, not influencers of BF. The Manifesto > >- and STTY - bass lines are far more jaco pastorius than weymouth! > > I probably have my dates all screwed up. Thanks for correcting the > timeline. I just happened to hear "Psycho Killer" first. Weren't > Byrne/Harrison performing "PK" sans Weymouth for a while in England > before "'77" came out? Boy, my brain is getting a workout today. It > does make more sense, I have to say, that Talking Heads would "lift" > that bass line from Roxy rather than the other way around. > > Lynn > > > > > > > -------------------- > To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail > majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 14:58:48 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins Subject: [AVALON] A La Carte Bryan I've been asked the question, "Which Bryan Ferry solo album(s) do you recommend?" by a list member. This is tough, because I'm so biased toward the albums he released during the pre-Manifesto breakup. My response to this question would be: 1) Let's Stick Together - I was initially drawn to this album because I was a huge Chris Spedding fan and the idea of Spedding and Manzanera TOGETHER brought me to my knees. The title track is worth the price of the CD alone. Other tracks of note: Covers of the Everly Brothers' "Price of Love" and The Beatles' "It's Only Love." Fun stuff. The album on the whole is a little disjointed, but it's a necessary prelude to my very favorite Bryan Ferry album... 2) In Your Mind - Wow. Again, you get the amazing, mind-blowing guitar power of Spedding and Manzanera. So many great songs on one album, and Bryan wrote them all. "This Is Tomorrow" is probably my favorite. But they're all fantastic, truly. I thought about suggesting "In Your Mind" for starters, but I do think that "Let's Stick Together" should be the appetizer. I kinda liked "Another Time, Another Place," but truth be told I thought Bryan was too good to be doing so many covers. "In Your Mind" proved me right. I guess I just prefer an angst-filled, intense Bryan over Bryan the Crooner. With that said, his follow-up to "In Your Mind," "The Bride Stripped Bare," has KILLER covers of "Hold On (I'm Coming)" and "Take Me To The River." Whoops, better get that one, too. :) Jumping ahead to the "Avalon" era, if you prefer to dance to your Roxy, there's the excellent "Boys And Girls" that featured Mark Knopfler on guitar and Tony Levin on bass, and then "Bete Noire." It really depends on whether you prefer early Roxy or late Roxy. What do the rest of you think...which Bryan Ferry solo album(s) would you recommend to a friend? (I think all of these are in the process of being re-mastered, correct?) Lynn - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 17:00:27 -0600 (CST) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty) Subject: [AVALON] Re; lingo Go back & read Mary Rose ,Post earlier. I'ts not my intention of hurting Her or to pity. Compassion never hurts anyone. "Sometime you have to be silent in order to communicate" M. Marlana K............................................. - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 18:01:39 -0500 From: "Victor Hastings" Subject: [AVALON] Off topic: software i've just come across a program that can capture almost any type of audio output (such as streaming audio) and save it as a .wav file. if ferry ever does another webcast, then this might be a way to record the audio for posterity. the name of the program is 'total recorder' and it is on the zdnet.com website at http://hotfiles.zdnet.com/cgi-bin/texis/swlib/hotfiles/info.html?fcode=000WE B. we now return you to our regularly scheduled programming.... - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 18:21:42 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Psycho Manifesto On Wed, 8 Mar 2000, Lynn Hoskins wrote (in response to Robert): > >Always felt it was the other way round. So did the press at the time in > >many of their blunt statements etc. Byrne always sounded like a manic > >version of Ferry. He's an admirer too. BTW, I really like Byrne/TH, > >but they were influenced by, IMHO, not influencers of BF. The Manifesto > >- and STTY - bass lines are far more jaco pastorius than weymouth! > > I probably have my dates all screwed up. Thanks for correcting the > timeline. I just happened to hear "Psycho Killer" first. Weren't > Byrne/Harrison performing "PK" sans Weymouth for a while in England > before "'77" came out? Boy, my brain is getting a workout today. It > does make more sense, I have to say, that Talking Heads would "lift" > that bass line from Roxy rather than the other way around. No need to correct your timeline, Lynn--_Manifesto_ came along in 1979. The question of influence is always a tricky one, but while I'd agree that Roxy had some influence on Talking Heads (although I might argue for less than others), I'd also posit that it's is possible that the reorganized Roxy was in turn influenced by Talking Heads. Musical influences can go both ways, after all. Also, since I'm here, let me say that I'm truly enjoying the Manzanera discussion. I dug out _Diamond Head_. I forgot how much love "Miss Shapiro." How I'd love for THAT Eno to reappear and work with Ferry (or anyone for that matter). Stella maris missa novis Miss a dinner Miss Shapiro, Colleen - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 18:32:22 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: [AVALON] Mamouna era concert to be broadcast (it's Wolverhampton) My German source (and I have to say I love being able to say that) has alerted me to that this show will be broadcast on March 20. Details at: http://www.ndr2.de/musik/radiokonzert/bryanferry.html Did I mention it's the Wolverhampton show (or part of it)? How does this compare to the version of the show which was treed a while back (I don't have it so I can't do the comparision myself)? Colleen - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 19:17:36 EST From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] the mighty e. jobson In a message dated 03/08/2000 10:01:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, hjames@thewebgal.com writes: << http://www.eddiejobson.com/ >> Hasn't been updated since it was first put up. Eddie apparently has no interest in advancing his career or relating to his fans. Arnie - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 19:17:36 EST From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re : B.S. & R&R In a message dated 03/08/2000 8:30:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, Richard.A.Ujvary@abc.com writes: << Going to be interesting with Roxy/Ferry....if Zal and the Lovin Spoonful got in sheesh....ok it's nice tuneful stuff ok but Hall of Fame? >> My thoughts exactly. Who have they influenced? Are Paul Revere and the Raiders in? In my book, they should be. And what about The Dave Clark Five, obvious precursor to Roxy Music (just look at their instrumentation and the emphasis on the good lookin' lead singer). Arnie - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 19:29:42 -0500 From: "Decophile" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Mamouna era concert to be broadcast (it's Wolverhampton) That is indeed the same show. It`s about 5 songs short of being complete. Gene - -----Original Message----- From: Colleen Matan To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 6:35 PM Subject: [AVALON] Mamouna era concert to be broadcast (it's Wolverhampton) > > >My German source (and I have to say I love being able to say that) has >alerted me to that this show will be broadcast on March 20. Details at: >http://www.ndr2.de/musik/radiokonzert/bryanferry.html > >Did I mention it's the Wolverhampton show (or part of it)? How does >this compare to the version of the show which was treed a while back >(I don't have it so I can't do the comparision myself)? > >Colleen > > > > > > >-------------------- >To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail >majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 20:17:57 -0500 From: "tfagan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Search (and destroy): Britney this is what Mark Twain had to say about Onanism -- hello, Monquiboy, this one is for you: The monkey is the only animal, except man, that practices this science; hence he is our brother; there is a bond of sympathy and relationship between us. Give this ingenious animal an audience of the proper kind, and he will straightway put aside his other affairs and take a whet; and you will see by the contortions and his ecstatic expression that he takes an intelligent and human interest in his performance. - - from Some Thoughts on the Science of Onanism speech, 1879 - -----Original Message----- From: Mary Rose Chibnall > hi everybody. who are the Onansists? - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 20:34:56 -0500 From: "tfagan" Subject: [AVALON] "River" triples My car tape of the Reverend Al Green's , followed by Bryan Ferry's , followed by Talking Heads' "Take Me to the River" --> *bliss*. - --TriTri - -----Original Message----- From: Lynn Hoskins "The Bride Stripped >Bare," has KILLER covers of "Hold On (I'm Coming)" and "Take Me To >The River." Whoops, better get that one, too. :) > > - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 17:42:56 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins Subject: Re: [AVALON] "River" triples >My car tape of the Reverend Al Green's , followed by Bryan Ferry's , >followed by Talking Heads' "Take Me to the River" --> *bliss*. TT, Add Eurthymics' version and you be stylin'! Lynn - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 20:41:53 -0500 From: "tfagan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Psycho Manifesto didn't THAT Eno work with John Cale on _Wrong Way Up_? - --TriTri Cuurently loving THIS Eno on James' brilliant CD _Millionaires_..... Colleen typed with two hands: >--I forgot how much love "Miss Shapiro." How I'd love for THAT Eno to reappear and work with Ferry (or anyone for that matter). - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 21:11:14 -0500 From: "Tim Kendrick" Subject: Re: [AVALON] "River" triples They're all nice, but the problem is that the Green original is one of the great pop performances, and no-one can top it. I've heard Green do killer live performances of it too. Tim - -----Original Message----- From: tfagan To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 8:38 PM Subject: [AVALON] "River" triples >My car tape of the Reverend Al Green's , followed by Bryan Ferry's , >followed by Talking Heads' "Take Me to the River" --> *bliss*. > >--TriTri > >-----Original Message----- >From: Lynn Hoskins > "The Bride Stripped >>Bare," has KILLER covers of "Hold On (I'm Coming)" and "Take Me To >>The River." Whoops, better get that one, too. :) >> >> > > > > > >-------------------- >To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail >majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 22:34:07 -0500 From: David Neuhaus Subject: [AVALON] Eddie Jobson/Curved Air After reading all the Eddie Jobson posts today, I went to the basement and searched through my collection and found an album by Curved Air, Eddie's band pre-Roxy. The album title is Air Cut, and one piece, "Metamorphosis" is credited to Jobson. The album, on Warner Bros. was recorded in Jan/Feb '73. Lead vocals by Sonja Kristina. I haven't listened to it in many years, but I seem to recall that the sound was a bit of Renaissance mixed with early Crimson. There are photos of the band members inside (two of Eddie, one w/electric violin, one at keyboard) and a real-70's illustration of the band on the back cover, the members dressed in medieval outfits surrounded by fairies, sprites, gnomes, butterflies, etc. Eddie's plucking a harp. Any other recollections of this band? - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 23:09:20 -0800 From: "Jeffrey F. Jones" Subject: [AVALON] Additional CD-R Copies Of Older Shows Hello: Anyone who wants additional copies of ASSH 1, 2, Golders, Boston Boot, etc. please let me know. I have 3 CD burners cryin' for use:) I also have other Ferry/Roxy shows as well. Please contact me. For your pleasure .... Jeffrey - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 17:45:38 -0500 From: ecwoods@mindspring.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Psycho Manifesto I always wondered if Byrne's huge suits were a parody of--or maybe an back-handed tribute to--those of our Cool Ruler. Any thoughts? Crystal - ----- Original Message ----- From: Lynn Hoskins > >> ><<<>>>. Byrne always sounded like a manic > >version of Ferry. He's an admirer too. BTW, I really like Byrne/TH, > >but they were influenced by, IMHO, not influencers of BF. <<<<<>>>>> > Lynn > > > > > > > -------------------- > To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail > majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 08:06:52 -0000 From: "Johnny Reece" Subject: [AVALON] RE : Air Cut 'Air Cut' is one of my fave Albums, though I admit I only got the Album as Jobson was on it, and had previously heard 'Metamorphosis', and really liked the track. This was also the breeding ground, as it were, for Copeland (later 'Police'). I've since discovered, through working in my record shop, that it's one of the least favourites amongst their own fans, and also usually the most difficult one to find. However, it's also the only Curved Air LP I actually like. For some reason unknown to me, it's also the only one of theirs to not get a CD release here in the UK. One of the tracks on it, 'World', the way it chugs along, always makes me think it was almost some sort of pre-curser to 'She Sells'. Good Album, but I've never quite got into their other stuff, apart from the odd track here and there, the obvious only other choice being the 'Back Street Luv' single. On the Air Cut Album, fans of Eddie a-la Electric Violin will love the tracks 'UHF' and 'Armin' - nice solos here and there. Amongst their own fans, they swear by the Album 'Air Conditioning'. Careful if you see a 'Best Of' though and decide to try it out for size - it's a very bad quality pressing sound-wise, both on Vinyl and CD... OK, it's my last 'post' here for a few days, I'm off to Paris in a few mins for the Maestros Gig at Le Grand Rex tonight, will be meeting up with Jocelyn, Chris, Luc et all later today - full report to follow next week of course... Reecey... - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 09:20:50 +0100 From: Cecilia Tonon Subject: [AVALON] review, first act For those who understand italian, here comes the review, first act. http://web.tiscalinet.it/cecilya/bryan/Bryan.html Second act will come when I find the time to translate it in english... sorry... and, yes, Heather J., it was a Digital Camera (Epson if I remember right) Ciao ciao, CECILIA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Cecilia Tonon ***** http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia ICQ# 45567631 pratic. consulente del lavoro dottoranda in diritto del lavoro, XI Dip. di diritto comparato dell'Unipd tel e -fax +39 049 8273492 -3479 italian PhD Association: http://www.dottorato.it sede di Venezia: http://www.dottorato.it/venezia Oh mother of pearl I wouldn´t trade you for another girl Oh mother of pearl Submarine lover in a shrinking world --- Roxy Music ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~!!!!!!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 08:59:04 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Additional CD-R Copies Of Older Shows Hi Jeff Got the CDs. Thanks very much. You get the Video yet ? - ---------- >From: "Jeffrey F. Jones" >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: [AVALON] Additional CD-R Copies Of Older Shows >Date: Thu, Mar 9, 2000, 8:09 am > > Hello: > > Anyone who wants additional copies of ASSH 1, 2, Golders, Boston Boot, etc. > please let me know. I have 3 CD burners cryin' for use:) > I also have other Ferry/Roxy shows as well. Please contact me. > > For your pleasure .... > > Jeffrey > > > > > -------------------- > To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail > majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V5 #93 *************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest