From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #79 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Monday, February 28 2000 Volume 05 : Number 079 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V5 #77 ["David Squires" ] [AVALON] last night's radio show [Noam Bronstein ] Re: [AVALON] Mamouma noir (long!) [Kicki Gustafsson ] RE: [AVALON] last night's radio show ["van Lammeren, Anton" ] [AVALON] Winners of the Free CLASH CD ["eman96" ] [AVALON] LOSER ["eman96" ] Re: [AVALON] The L.A. Years ["gareth mc ginley" ] [AVALON] Video footage ["gareth mc ginley" ] [AVALON] APS question ["gareth mc ginley" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 10:54:14 -0000 From: "David Squires" Subject: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V5 #77 On 26 Feb 00, at 4:05, Heather wrote: > But I don't think he should do an album of VU covers. No, especially after the mess he made of All Tomorrow's Parties. What Goes On was very good, though. David - -- David Squires Wimbotsham Norfolk UK - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 11:54:54 -0000 From: "Richard Swift" Subject: [AVALON] Ordinary Decent Criminal As someone posted earlier, the soundtrack album containing Bryan's version of "Mother Of Pearl" is "Ordinary Decent Criminal" and this is released in the UK on 13/3/00. The likes of www.amazon.co.uk are taking orders for this now - it may be difficult to get outside of big branches of some shops. The track listing is: 1. One Day At A Time - Damon Albarn & Robert '3D' Del Naja 2. Kevin on a Motorbike - Damon Albarn 3. Superfinger - Lowfinger 4. Mother of Pearl - Bryan Ferry 5. I Want You - Shack 6. Gopher Mambo - Yma Sumac 7. Chase After Gallery - Damon Albarn (score piece) 8. Eurodisco - Bis 9. Bank Job - Damon Albarn (score piece) 10. Dying Isn't Easy - Damon Albarn The film is an independent British production and what appears to be the main website for it can be found at http://www.littlebird.ie/littleb.htm Richard - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 12:57:28 +0800 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry`s Philly Concert Poster This poster has been on the Avalonsite at http://www.avalon.pp.se for weeks thanks to John O'Brien. /Kicki G >What a beautiful poster and image of Bryan. Thanks for the url >correction. > > > >Decophile wrote: >> >> Whoops! Wrong address. Go to: http://www.pipeline.com/~tmoq/ and click on >> ferry.jpg > > > > >-------------------- >To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail >majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon - --------------------------- Kicki Gustafsson http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (personal homepage) http://www.avalon.pp.se (my Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry-site) - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 15:07:25 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) From: Mark Sturdy Subject: [AVALON] Re: Roxy Venini Heather wrote: > OK, thanks very much for the tip, Mark. I'll put 'em on my list. If you go to www.venini.co.uk and check the Mail Order section, you can hear Realaudio excerpts of the two singles they've put out so far. > I like that expression, "deadpan glamour." It reminds me of the > Helmut Newton/ Guy Boudin-esque early Roxy covers, which had a > lot to do with what attracted me to Roxy in the first place. > "Deadpan glamour," would be a good way to describe those images. If you've seen Debbie, you'll know what I mean when I say she practically IS a Roxy girl... - -- Mark For emergency use only. - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 15:15:59 -0500 From: Noam Bronstein Subject: [AVALON] last night's radio show The CBC broadcast was pretty good - did anyone catch it on the internet? The sound quality on FM was excellent. I taped it on a Denon metal cassette. I lost the first few seconds of LST when I had to flip sides. Actually I had to be a human antenna and stand in front of the tuner for _the entire hour_ - every time I tried moving a foot back the signal strength dropped from 90 to 50 - arrrgh. The only audible static is at the beginning of the first song though, after that I was too paranoid to move away. They cut an already short set in half and ended up with this (I think): 1.The Way You Look Tonight 2.Bittersweet 3.Smoke Gets In Your Eyes 4.Carrickfergus 5.The Only Face 6.September Song 7.You Do Something To Me 8.Falling In Love Again 9.Just One Of Those Things 10.Jealous Guy 11.Let's Stick Together 12.Do The Strand 13.As Time Goes By I think a few of these are good enough to make it to ASSH2 (or whatever the next tree is called?) but I'll leave that to the 'arbiters of good taste' who labour to get us the best stuff. In any case, knowing you Avalon types, I added an extra $100,000 to my life insurance policy while this tape is in my possession. Noam - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 14:38:40 -0500 From: Heather Buch Subject: [AVALON] Mamouma noir (long!) - --_uReach_com_26916734995168032025319xxx_ Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know that Ferry often mentions NYC as one of his favorite American cities. He wrote a song about it on Mamouma and he seems to be in love with the fast pace and the glamour of it, when he is not enjoying the country life. But I wonder what Ferry's attitude is toward L.A. I ask this specifically because I know that he and Jerry spent some time living there when they were together, and because cinema is such a strong theme in all of Ferry's creative work. Roxy Music's references to the glamour of American cinema are too plentiful to list, but everything up to Mamouma has struck me as being more of a European take on American cinema, more the stuff of "Ian Fleming euro-spy movie" glamour. I would venture to say that Mamouma is the most "noir" release that I have seen and heard from Ferry. This album definitely doesn't lack for film references - "The 39 Steps," the classic Hitchcock spy-mystery movie, or "The Only Face," about Garbo, a classic Hollywood legend. But what sets Mamouma apart is not just the film references, but the cheapness and tawdriness of their beauty, which to me evoke not so much Cinemascopic glamour as the dimly-lit backstreets of Hollywood. The way the album is packaged, with its dimly-lit red-and-gold, vaudeville, lounge feeling, seems to (to me) come straight out of a 50's pulp fiction crime novel. (In fact, it always struck me as perfectly logical that this album was released the same year at Quentin Tarantino's "Pulp Fiction.") Mysterious women abound on this cover, just as mysterious and dangerous women abound in all the great noir stories - Double Indemnity, the Maltese Falcon, etc. And that picture on the inside cover where Ferry's face is superimposed over the woman's is really interesting. The way she holds her cigarette, looking beautiful and vulnerable, yet not quite trustworthy at the same time, like the femme fatales who always walk into Philip Marlowe's dusty, venetian-blinded office, looking for the husband they killed themselves. And Ferry, with his 5 o'clock shadow, reminds me of Marlowe (2HB) himself, the private dick who almost falls in love with the woman, until he realizes what she did, and becomes completely haunted and reminded of the corruption that is hidden everywhere. "As Time Goes By," continues this noir theme for me, partly because the era was the same, and so were many of the themes of the songs. I mean, "Miss Otis Regrets," is probably the most obvious choice, telling the story of betrayal and murder that comes straight out of Double Indemnity, but even others, such as "Where or When" convey so much subdued glamour that I can almost hear the clinking of the glasses in the background as Humphrey Bogart and Lauren Bacall sit smoking at Victors. I write all this in the context of my question about Ferry's L.A. experience because I think that to really understand and love Los Angeles, one must understand it's seedy, noir side, and Ferry seems to understand and capture that well in these latest albums. I think Jerry recollected that he didn't quite feel at home in L.A. Nobody ever does, that's part of L.A.'s charm. But it's not until you leave this city, feeling altogether disgusted with its kitschy, "pop" side, that you become aware of it's corrupt, tawdry beauty and the degenerate truth behind it all, just like the truth behind the women in the Chandler novels. This discovery (for me) is part of the cities romance. And for those who still are not convinced of the "noir" theme of Mamouma, I'll leave you with these lyrics from "The Only Face:" "No backstreet woman No grand hotel the only face - out of place an empty shell" Ciao, Heather (who got to see the Mamouma tour under the best possible conditions - at the Pantages Theatre in Hollywood, after drinking martinis in the Frolic Room on Hollywood Blvd.) ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number - Free Free voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag - --_uReach_com_26916734995168032025319xxx_-- - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 20:51:29 +0100 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] Mamouma noir (long!) >And for those who still are not convinced of the "noir" theme of >Mamouma, I'll leave you with these lyrics from "The Only Face:" > >"No backstreet woman >No grand hotel >the only face - out of place >an empty shell" Greta Garbo made a film called Grand Hotel, and she was often cast as a "bad" woman (backstreet woman), especially in the silent films. If you listen closly to The Only Face, you can hear some sampled Greta Garbo-phrases towards the end, where she actually says "I want to be alone". There are no credtis to any filmcompany for usage of those lines though. /Kicki G - ------------------------ Kicki Gustafsson, Östersunds-Posten 063-16 16 51 http://www.op.se http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (privat hemsida) - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 15:04:40 -0500 From: Heather Buch Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] Mamouma noir (long!) - --_uReach_com_26916734995168188029758xxx_ Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the tip, Kicki. The film is from 1932, has both Greta Garbo and John Barrymore, AND it got four stars in my Leonard Maltin guide. I guess it's set in a Berlin hotel where "nothing ever happens" (when of course lots of things really do). Will have to rent it toute de suite! Ciao, Heather - ---- On Sun, 27 Feb 2000, Kicki Gustafsson (kicki.gustafsson@op.se) wrote: > >And for those who still are not convinced of the "noir" theme of > >Mamouma, I'll leave you with these lyrics from "The Only Face:" > > > >"No backstreet woman > >No grand hotel > >the only face - out of place > >an empty shell" > > Greta Garbo made a film called Grand Hotel, and she was often cast as a > "bad" woman (backstreet woman), especially in the silent films. If you > listen closly to The Only Face, you can hear some sampled Greta > Garbo-phrases towards the end, where she actually says "I want to be > alone". There are no credtis to any filmcompany for usage of those lines > though. > > /Kicki G > > ------------------------ > Kicki Gustafsson, Östersunds-Posten 063-16 16 51 > http://www.op.se > http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (privat hemsida) > > > > > > > -------------------- > To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail > majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number - Free Free voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag - --_uReach_com_26916734995168188029758xxx_-- - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 22:04:02 +0100 From: "van Lammeren, Anton" Subject: RE: [AVALON] last night's radio show Nice! Especially Carrickfergus, which in not on Golders Green. Do you know which concert was recorded, where, when. Any chance that one of us can contact the broadcasters?... Greetz, Anton. - -----Original Message----- From: Noam Bronstein [mailto:wishinvain@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2000 9:16 PM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] last night's radio show The CBC broadcast was pretty good - did anyone catch it on the internet? A:> Alas, nope ... I added an extra $100,000 to my life insurance policy while this tape is in my possession. A:> Be careful with your life! Noam - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 17:30:02 EST From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ordinary Decent Criminal In a message dated 02/27/2000 6:58:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, richard_swift@lineone.net writes: << As someone posted earlier, the soundtrack album containing Bryan's version of "Mother Of Pearl" is "Ordinary Decent Criminal" and this is released in the UK on 13/3/00. >> How quick can we get an MP3 posted? Arnie - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 00:30:49 -0500 From: ecwoods@mindspring.com Subject: [AVALON] what is "camp"? Can anyone help me get a handle on the term "camp"? I've heard it applied to early Roxy in a couple of interviews, as well as to things like _The Rocky Horror Picture Show_. But the way I define "camp" doesn't seem to cover all the things other people have termed "campy." Is it like "kitsch"? Or is it more like doing something the trendy set would look down upon and then making that cool? Or is my Slang English Dictionary correct when it narrowly defines it as simply being "theatrical" or "exaggerat[ing] something to the point where it becomes almost too ridiculous"? But even the glam-est Roxy wasn't *ridiculous*, was it? There must be a broader definition. Someone with a clearer understanding please give me your take on it. Thanks, Crystal - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 01:21:52 -0500 From: "Decophile" Subject: Re: [AVALON] what is "camp"? My dictionary defines it as: Having deliberately artificial, vulgar, banal, or affectedly humorous qualities or style. I`ve always considered it as tongue and cheek, melodramatic in a humorous way or not to be taken seriously. Gene - -----Original Message----- From: ecwoods@mindspring.com To: avalon mailing list Date: Monday, February 28, 2000 12:36 AM Subject: [AVALON] what is "camp"? >Can anyone help me get a handle on the term "camp"? I've heard it applied >to early Roxy in a couple of interviews, as well as to things like _The >Rocky Horror Picture Show_. But the way I define "camp" doesn't seem to >cover all the things other people have termed "campy." Is it like "kitsch"? >Or is it more like doing something the trendy set would look down upon and >then making that cool? Or is my Slang English Dictionary correct when it >narrowly defines it as simply being "theatrical" or "exaggerat[ing] >something to the point where it becomes almost too ridiculous"? But even >the glam-est Roxy wasn't *ridiculous*, was it? There must be a broader >definition. Someone with a clearer understanding please give me your take on >it. > >Thanks, >Crystal > > > > > >-------------------- >To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail >majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 22:56:29 -0800 From: "eman96" Subject: [AVALON] Winners of the Free CLASH CD Ida Miller Les Belkian John Hawker Tim Kendrick, Are the "winners" of the Free CLASH remastered sampler CD's. Sorry for those that missed, I literally chose the first four emails in. What I have decided to do is just send them out to avoid repeated effort. Then each of you donate $3-5 to your favorite charity. So the winners above, send me your mailing addresses. e - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 23:14:07 -0800 From: "eman96" Subject: [AVALON] LOSER Loser: Jeff Kay. - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 08:48:07 GMT From: "gareth mc ginley" Subject: Re: [AVALON] The L.A. Years Heather wrote: >I think Jerry recollected that he didn't quite feel at >home in L.A. Nobody ever does, that's part of L.A.'s charm. But >it's not until you leave this city, feeling altogether disgusted >with its kitschy, "pop" side, that you become aware of it's >corrupt, tawdry beauty and the degenerate truth behind it all, >just like the truth behind the women in the Chandler novels. >This discovery (for me) is part of the cities romance. > With his glamour, good looks, and upper class pretentions falling into this type of lifestyle was probably the most inevitable thing that could have happened to Ferry. The danger signals were definitely out for him in 1977 and this struck me more than ever before over the weekend when I got to view a copy of the 1977 Bryan Ferry live in Japan video. It's a fascinating line up, full of musicians that have worked really well with Bryan at some point - - Manzanera, Thompson, Spedding, Wetton, Anne Odell, and Mel Collins. The amazing thing though is how flat the whole thing sounds and appears, reflecting the kitschness of IYM. Spedding does well but Bryan is utterly bereft of his usual swagger, seemingly incapable of providing the usual catalyst for the rest of the band. He seems to have completely lost his appetite. It's not that they don't have the songs to make a show - included in the set are crowd pleasers Lets Stick Together, Love Is The Drug, Casanova, and Hard Rain. But it is truly amazing to think that this concert comes just three years after Roxy had hit their live peak with those stomping Country Life gigs. My own theory is that Ferry had become very stale, not so much because he was dating Jerry Hall but because of the false lifestyle and the image that went with it. Los Angeles could easily have destroyed him, had he not been perceptive enough to realise the it was doing just that. He was surrounded by people who weren't living in the real world. Simon Puxley said of the period that if things had continued as they were then Bryan would have have been sailing on a "frizzen ship". Ferry has called the period his "adult education course". Thankfully he came out the other end and a period that could have destroyed him artistically ended up being quite an inspiration. That time in LA probably had a big effect on how he subsequently ended up living his life - a reluctant star, extremely private and especially wary of the media - which of course also has relevance to his music. Regards, Gareth p.s. Heather - brilliantly written piece - wish I was more of an art/ film buff to discuss the rest of your post. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 08:48:55 GMT From: "gareth mc ginley" Subject: [AVALON] Video footage Also in amongst the video footage that I received (aside from "Live in Japan") were two classic Roxy performances. The first is "The Midnight Special" from 1974 in which Roxy performed three tracks (Out Of The Blue, Thrill Of It All, and A Really Good Time). As far as I'm aware these were the highest profile of the Roxy performances in the U.S. There's also a classic 1973 performance of Ladytron in Montreaux (complete with Eno in his Hunchback of Notre Dame outfit). Sadly the picture quality is poor but if we can find clean copies then these are absolute essentials for APS2. Roxy at their brilliant best. Regards, Gareth ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 08:56:24 GMT From: "gareth mc ginley" Subject: [AVALON] APS question Martin lists somebody called Kokomo as appearing in the This Is Tomorrow piece in APS. Just wondered who this is and when did he work with Bryan? - couldn't find him credited on any of the albums. Gareth ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V5 #79 *************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest