From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #74 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Thursday, February 24 2000 Volume 05 : Number 074 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Black Taxi ["Pauline F" ] [AVALON] I got to tell this to somebody dept. ["eman96" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry Unique - *LONGER POST ALERT* ["gareth mc ginley" ] [AVALON] copy of Taxi for trade or sale [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] BF album news ["Decophile" ] Re: [AVALON] Black Taxi ["Martin Stockman" ] Re: [AVALON] BF album news [JONHAWKER@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] You Will Never Understand Taxi ["mark shanahan" ] Re: Re: [AVALON] Black Taxi [Heather Buch ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry Unique - much shorter post alert [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] BF question to Avalon Encyclopedia ["mark shanahan" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry Unique - much shorter post alert [Neil Ashar ] Re: [AVALON] Black Taxi [Helchat@aol.com] RE: [AVALON] Stardom (LONG!) ["Ujvary, Richard A." ] [AVALON] Off-topic: Used books [Daniel Atterbom ] [AVALON] Re: what sells & who sells it [MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:22:34 CET From: "Pauline F" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Black Taxi >Taxi, the song, is one of my favourite songs. It is as if the music is the >soundtrack for the lyrics. If I close my eyes I can see the cab driving >through the night in the rain. Very Ferryesque. Very desperate, Very >beautiful. Bryan in Smash Hits, June 1980: "Ever since I was a kid I listened to a lot of blues. If that's my role in life, to be a singer of sad songs, I don't really mind, because most of the things I write are emotional pieces of music that require emotional themes. I can't really sing convincingly about...", here he casts his gaze out of the window over the Kings Road below, "...taxis!" Hmmmm. Pauline ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 01:48:44 -0800 From: "eman96" Subject: [AVALON] I got to tell this to somebody dept. Bryan Ferry is not covering any heavy metal records, ever, ain't gonna happy, sorry. It ain't the mix, it is the aestetic of the whole package, words and music. ...I have to tell this to someone dept: As a total off the record FAVOR, I offered to get a client of mine a copy of MS Office Premium, a $700 item (aprx) for aprx "$80.00 give or take, depending on the situation over there (at MS)." So I procure the copy, and email the client that I have it, but it will be $100.00 because of tax and I wasn't going to waste my friend's time to find a place to make 13 dollars change (he had a meeting). The Client emails me back, "I was going to offer you $75, but I can come up with the $80. Don't think I can pay $100." (But she tells me the next nearest thing that will meet her needs is $297.00). I emailed her back an html from an online discount retailer showing the product listed at $697.16, and the following comment: Yes or no? Brings to mind an old quote "No good deed goes un-punished." Flabbergasted, e - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 09:55:23 GMT From: "gareth mc ginley" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry Unique - *LONGER POST ALERT* Mark Shanahan wrote: but, i >think it's >just as ferry has said ... he'd been thinking of doing this album for >*years*. so, it was only a matter of time before it was released. is >there >a grand plan? does there have to be? > It's a fair point. Maybe ATGB should just be viewed for what it is, regardless of outside influences. But he did say that he wanted to do this album because he was getting bogged down with the original material. Is ATGB going to solve this problem? He's also said (in the Webchat) that he'd really like to work with this band again. So it's not beyond the realms of posibility that BF is thinking of writing songs of the same arrangement as ATGB. Whether BF sticks with a certain musical direction or not always seems to be based on sales figures and public appreciation. ATGB has sold much better than he was expecting so it's possible that he might just play up to what the public wants. Re Rob's and Kicki's criticisms of Taxi: In defence of the album I'd say that the imaginative facelifts which Bryan gave a number of these songs was just wonderful - Spell, Just One Look, Rescue Me, All Tomorrows Parties. Mix this with the simple melancholy of Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow, and the title track, the exuberence of Girl Of My Best Friend and Amazing Grace (somebody once said here that they can just imagine Bryan smiling whilst singing that one) and concluding with the desperate despair of Becasue Your Mine. That's why I like it - such variety. Colleen wrote: Because you see, I'm kind of offended by the idea that Ferry had to somehow swallow his pride to put out _ATGB_. Now this might sound odd or contrary coming from someone who is not exactly thrilled, to say the least, with _ATGB_, but sheesh, it's not he had to go out and get a job or prostitute himself by turning into John Tesh in order to support his family. I don't mean he's throwing his pride aside in the sense that the whole thing's a sell out. He simply wouldn't have released the album in the 80's because he would have regarded it as being too uncool. So it's nice to see that he's no longer afraid to do something just because of what others might say/ think. Regards, Gareth ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 01:56:09 -0800 From: "eman96" Subject: [AVALON] You Will Never Understand Taxi Here is the final and last word on TAXI: You will never understand TAXI, if you listen to it standing up. I did on first listen, hated it, hated it, hated it. Later that day my girlfriend (btw a gold record winning hit songwriter at the time), came over and wanted to hear it. I started the CD. We were sitting down. Soon we were lying down. It is a make-out record, plain and simple. If you do not, nor ever have, gotten TAXI, play it with someone you're horny about, in a reclined position, at night, lights down low, ambient aesthetics maxed, and....smooch alot. Suddenly it all makes a whole hell of a lot of sense. A large, sensous, intimate, moist, swollen, lot o sense... "When I say I'm in love, I'm in Love, L-U-V. Looking for a kiss." e - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 06:46:11 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: [AVALON] copy of Taxi for trade or sale I can't explain it, but I suddenly feel nauseous when I listen to it. Colleen - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 13:10:38 +0800 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: [AVALON] Updated http://www.avalon.pp.se is updated with a new profile; European member Andy Mol from Holland tells his story. Check it out. /Kicki G - --------------------------- Kicki Gustafsson http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (personal homepage) http://www.avalon.pp.se (my Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry-site) - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 07:55:27 -0500 From: "Decophile" Subject: Re: [AVALON] BF album news - -----Original Message----- From: Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Thursday, February 24, 2000 3:58 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] BF album news >About a Roxy reunion. Not at this moment but maybe in the future. "Manzenera >played with me in Greenwich and that was nice, only he played too hard" > >Han Too Hard, eh. And I hope Phil used a distorted wa-wa pedal to boot. Gene - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 13:17:49 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Black Taxi Great find Pauline. More contributions please... - ---------- >From: "Pauline F" >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [AVALON] Black Taxi >Date: Thu, Feb 24, 2000, 11:22 am > > > >>Taxi, the song, is one of my favourite songs. It is as if the music is the >>soundtrack for the lyrics. If I close my eyes I can see the cab driving >>through the night in the rain. Very Ferryesque. Very desperate, Very >>beautiful. > > Bryan in Smash Hits, June 1980: > "Ever since I was a kid I listened to a lot of blues. If that's my role in > life, to be a singer of sad songs, I don't really mind, because most of the > things I write are emotional pieces of music that require emotional themes. > I can't really sing convincingly about...", here he casts his gaze out of > the window over the Kings Road below, "...taxis!" > > Hmmmm. > > Pauline > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > -------------------- > To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail > majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 05:23:18 PST From: "mark shanahan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry Unique - much shorter post alert colleen writes: [snip] it's not he had to go out and get a job or prostitute himself >by turning into John Tesh in order to support his family. you know, it's funny - but i always have thought of bryan as the english 'john tesh'. however, i have never, ever thought of him as a prostitute, nor have i read any press to this effect ... btw, i spelled *gareth's* name incorrectly in my last post. sorry, gareth - it was an unintentional, honest mistake. peaces/ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 08:32:56 -0500 From: "Decophile" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry Unique - *SHORTER POST ALERT* - -----Original Message----- From: gareth mc ginley To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Thursday, February 24, 2000 4:58 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry Unique - *LONGER POST ALERT* > Whether BF sticks with a certain musical direction or not always >seems to be based on sales figures and public appreciation. ATGB has sold >much better than he was expecting so it's possible that he might just play >up to what the public wants. Perhaps Bryan should give a good listen to some of the tapes (I`m sure at least a few exist...hell, we`ve even got some!) from this tour and pay attention to what the audience responds positively to....namely, the older Roxy/solo material. I think he has played the laid back scene into the ground and should explore the possibility of a real "rock" album. As mentioned in a previous post, Ferry complains of Phil playing it "too hard." It`s time to take the hint and that means a "collaboration", meaning let someone, preferably Phil, in on the creative process. I think they`ve got it in them to produce something for the fans who miss the rocker side of him....and don`t give me that crap about he`s too old or dignified or whatever. It seems to me he`s adding more and more older material to this tour and he`s doing it for a reason. It`s helping to sell tickets. Gene - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 08:36:13 -0500 From: "Decophile" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry Unique - much shorter post alert - -----Original Message----- From: mark shanahan To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Thursday, February 24, 2000 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry Unique - much shorter post alert > >you know, it's funny - but i always have thought of bryan as the english >'john tesh'. however, i have never, ever thought of him as a prostitute, >nor have i read any press to this effect ... I`d rather he be a prostitute than like John Tesh. Gene - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 05:43:40 PST From: "mark shanahan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Black Taxi han wrote: >Taxi, the song, is one of my favourite songs. It is as if the music is the >soundtrack for the lyrics. If I close my eyes I can see the cab driving >through the night in the rain. Very Ferryesque. Very desperate, Very >beautiful. yeah - you know, that's my favorite song from that album as well. funny that it's the one self-penned number there. and, actually, one of my favorite ferry numbers - period. i don't know ... i think taxi gets a bumb rap. not just because i like it (though it's not my favorite ferry album to be sure). at any rate, you've got trower on there and the whole thing's a precursor to 'mamouna', which i believe is one of the finest *albums* i've ever heard. so there! peaces/ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 08:57:45 EST From: JONHAWKER@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] BF album news Just to mention about a possible Roxy reunion, I recently met Phil Manzanera at Gatwick airport in the departures lounge! He was with his wife and children but was happy to chat. When I asked about a reunion, would it happen? he said watch this space and seemed very positive that it would even though I mentioned that it always seemed that BF was reluctant. Seems to me he knows something we dont! Keep your fingers well and truly crossed!!! cheers John H - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 06:08:27 PST From: "mark shanahan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] You Will Never Understand Taxi >From: "eman96" >Here is the final and last word on TAXI: >You will never understand TAXI, if you listen to it standing up. >It is a make-out record, plain and simple. >If you do not, nor ever have, gotten TAXI, play it with someone you're >horny about, in a reclined position, at night, lights down low, ambient >aesthetics maxed, and....smooch alot. >Suddenly it all makes a whole hell of a lot of sense. >A large, sensous, intimate, moist, swollen, lot o sense... >"When I say I'm in love, I'm in Love, L-U-V. Looking for a kiss." you are just fucking BRILLIANT ... and i thank *god* every day, e-man, that you are on this list. and if you *believe* that, then you probably also think of yourself as the list's brain trust - well, generally speaking, of course. have a nice swollen, moist and intimate day ... ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 06:12:16 PST From: "mark shanahan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry Unique - much shorter post alert gene writes: >I`d rather he be a prostitute than like John Tesh. > >Gene actually, that was a little tiny joke i made there ... but i'd have to agree. working the streets would surely be a far better thing ... peaces/ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 09:12:15 EST From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Stardom In a message dated 02/23/2000 8:33:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, ASchulberg@aol.com writes: << Got a glimpse last night on tv of the trials and tribulations of stardom from David Cassidy. Scary stuff. Girls pulling and ripping his hair out, overturning and destroying limousines. The incessant demands on his time. No way out. I guess it's par for the course when you're at that level. >> Tried reading Crosby's autobiography but only got about halfway through it. He certainly lived the rock star life and his self-indulgence is so overpowering that reading the book became a struggle since he's not very likeable. Now, with the Melissa Etheridge/fatherhood angle I guess we're in for a second autobiography on the later years. >> Yikes, sorry, folks. Richard wrote Cassidy and I saw Crosby. Time to get my glasses adjusted. But what I wrote about Crosby still stands. Arnie - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 09:18:59 -0500 From: Heather Buch Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: London schooling - --_uReach_com_26916734995140193915270xxx_ Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Great story, Ida. Well, I guess it gives you a reason to go back there. I'm sure your host would also like to share some of those anecdotes (as I know I would like to hear them). Why don't you try to search for the place on the web or see if the guy has an email address? You could write him something like - "Oh, by the way, there were some things you were going to tell me about Bryan Ferry?" Ciao, Heather ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number - Free Free voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag - ---- On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Ida M Miller (idafan@home.com) wrote: > On my last morning as I was waiting for the taxi, we began to discuss > the reason I was in England, which had been to follow a fave band around > on tour for about ten days. We started to discuss my other fave bands, > I of course mentioned Bryan .. and my host told me that his son and > Bry's attended the same school. He mentioned that he saw Bryan on a > regular basis at the school, as they each waited to pick up their sons. > As I gasped and began to ask for any anecdotes or observations he may > have been able to offer ... my taxi arrived. Alas .. what a missed > opportunity for some insights! > > > > > > As far as I know, he has two houses in England; one in Holland Park, > London > > (during the week), the other near Petworth, Sussex (for the weekend). > > > > > -------------------- > To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail > majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > - --_uReach_com_26916734995140193915270xxx_-- - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 09:32:25 -0500 From: Heather Buch Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] Black Taxi - --_uReach_com_26916734995140274518376xxx_ Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number - Free Free voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag - ---- On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Will Frechette (will@execpc.com) wrote: You really think so? It would be right out of left field for him, and since he's never really been one to follow the pack before, it might just work. I vaguely remember "Mother." It does call for some pretty heartfelt wailing in the chorus. I guess Ferry could do that. But heavy metal has such a strong image - and Ferry likes to give everything he does an image of it's own. I wonder if he could reconcile the heavy metal image with his. Surely he wouldn't "become" heavy metal for just one album. Actually, I think a song that Ferry could do very well is "The End." It's got lots of literary allusions and a feeling of spectacle, like many of Ferry's earlier songs. I think Nico did it beautifully but I think Ferry could match her or Jim's version. Heather Two quick monsters for ferry:Fade to Black by Metallica and > Mother > by Danzig. fade was playing and it kept making me think, it's dark, even > laid out the way he likes. Cool guitar. I'm dead serious on this one. > I'm > not saying try to get their thing happening but do like a Spell type > thing > where you wouldn't even know it's the same song. Mother on the other > hand > was just off the top of my head. You know Ferry's a closet air > guitarist. He > wants to rip it up so bad it's not funny. At one point on APS vid > (forgot > which track) he breaks out into a whistle solo (and not in a song that > has > one). He always talks about the guitar whenever he talks about his > music. > I'd go as far as to say he lives vicariously on stage through his guitar > players. Oh and Trower's one note guitar solo in Spell was pretty weird > I > thought he was going to wail, being a halfarsed guitarist myself I was a > little let down. I thought he could have tore it up on that one. > > Will > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Rosencutter" > > > > When I first heard that Ferry was releasing an album of cover songs > > called Taxi, I got excited about the idea of his covering Harry > Chapin's > > "Taxi." Not that I particularly liked the song, I was looking forward > > to hearing Bryan's take on it. "She gave me 20 dollars for a > two-fifty > > fare, and she said 'Ferry, keep the change.'" So the album > disappointed > > me from the onset. > > > > > > -------------------- > To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail > majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > - --_uReach_com_26916734995140274518376xxx_-- - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 09:34:28 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry Unique - much shorter post alert On Thu, 24 Feb 2000, mark shanahan wrote: > you know, it's funny - but i always have thought of bryan as the english > 'john tesh'. Now this is the kind of behavior which should get people removed from this list. Colleen - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 09:46:34 -0500 From: "Ujvary, Richard A." Subject: RE: [AVALON] Stardom Yes, and you know I have more respect for Ferry than Davey who's also a talented artist but seems to have been irresponsible with the goods. I thought Crosby lost it there for awhile and I bet he was probably "coasting". A lost liver and mortality brought him back down to earth. On another note, Ferry seems to try to please himself and his audience but I wonder how accomodating he can be without having it hurting his 'work". I like the "oldies" too but I just think as an artist you can get into trouble if you "coast" on previously done material. Personally, I'm glad Ferry did ATGB. I don't know but I'd rather hear that then a re-hashed geetar solo from Phil. It was a new direction and people apparently have responded to it. This should give him confidence to do other stuff that might be off the cuff. Hey right now I may not like juju music interspersed with aborigine rhythms layered behind langorous vocals but that's ok (and who knows it could be great) and that's the risk he has to take. Hope he keeps "collaborating" with us. Rich - -----Original Message----- From: ASchulberg@aol.com [mailto:ASchulberg@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2000 9:12 AM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Stardom In a message dated 02/23/2000 8:33:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, ASchulberg@aol.com writes: << Got a glimpse last night on tv of the trials and tribulations of stardom from David Cassidy. Scary stuff. Girls pulling and ripping his hair out, overturning and destroying limousines. The incessant demands on his time. No way out. I guess it's par for the course when you're at that level. >> Tried reading Crosby's autobiography but only got about halfway through it. He certainly lived the rock star life and his self-indulgence is so overpowering that reading the book became a struggle since he's not very likeable. Now, with the Melissa Etheridge/fatherhood angle I guess we're in for a second autobiography on the later years. >> Yikes, sorry, folks. Richard wrote Cassidy and I saw Crosby. Time to get my glasses adjusted. But what I wrote about Crosby still stands. Arnie - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 06:55:10 PST From: "mark shanahan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] BF question to Avalon Encyclopedia >From: "Pauline F" >I think you're right with his selling of the NY flat. But I don't think he >ever had a real home in Paris. He either stays in a rented apartment >(mentioned 87 in a Smash Hits interview, "with horrible but very expensive >brown suede walls") or at his favourite hotel, the Lancaster. i thought i remember from a certain '87 ARENA interview that he was staying at the george V in paris, dining at the val d'isere on tarte aux poires, if i'm not mistaken. or maybe that was just where the interview was. anyway, i remember when i was in paris in '88, searching desperately for the val d'isere just so i could check out where our hero liked to dine ... never did find it, of course. peaces/ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 07:05:31 -0800 From: Ida M Miller Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: London schooling Heather, I've been meaning to follow-up with him ever since ... maybe in the guise of a "thank-you for being such a great host, beautiful home, blah blah" ... maybe this is the 'push' I needed to actually make it a priority. Thanks .. I'll update if I score any inside poop! Heather Buch wrote: > > Great story, Ida. Well, I guess it gives you a reason to go back > there. I'm sure your host would also like to share some of those > anecdotes (as I know I would like to hear them). Why don't you > try to search for the place on the web or see if the guy has an > email address? You could write him something like - "Oh, by the > way, there were some things you were going to tell me about > Bryan Ferry?" > > Ciao, > > Heather > > ________________________________________________ > Get your own "800" number - Free > Free voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more > http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag > > ---- On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Ida M Miller (idafan@home.com) wrote: > > > On my last morning as I was waiting for the taxi, we began to > discuss > > the reason I was in England, which had been to follow a fave > band around > > on tour for about ten days. We started to discuss my other > fave bands, > > I of course mentioned Bryan .. and my host told me that his > son and > > Bry's attended the same school. He mentioned that he saw > Bryan on a > > regular basis at the school, as they each waited to pick up > their sons. > > As I gasped and began to ask for any anecdotes or observations > he may > > have been able to offer ... my taxi arrived. Alas .. what a > missed > > opportunity for some insights! > > > > > > > > > > > As far as I know, he has two houses in England; one in > Holland Park, > > London > > > (during the week), the other near Petworth, Sussex (for the > weekend). > > > > > > > > > > -------------------- > > To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail > > majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > > > - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 07:33:59 -0800 (PST) From: Neil Ashar Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry Unique - much shorter post alert - --- mark shanahan wrote: > you know, it's funny - but i always have thought of bryan as the > english > 'john tesh'. You are a sick and debased puppy. ===== "We are quite the greatest nation in the world. In my lifetime, all of the problems have come from mainland Europe, and all of the solutions have come from the English-speaking countries of the world." -- Margaret Thatcher __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:02:14 EST From: AMeyersLD@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Stardom (LONG!) In a message dated 2/24/2000 8:53:25 AM Central Standard Time, Richard.A.Ujvary@abc.com writes: << Hey right now I may not like juju music interspersed with aborigine rhythms layered behind langorous vocals but that's ok (and who knows it could be great) and that's the risk he has to take. >> This debate about whether Bryan should follow new paths,play the old hits, or do more period cover ignores his track record. I think ALL of these have been part of his work for a long time, and will be for some time to come. Any artist with a back catalogue of hits is to a certain extent "chained and bound" to them. If the artist has ten, fifteen, twenty albums worth, there will always be people in the audience who will be disappointed that he didn't play "Beauty Queen" or "She Sells" that particular night. But it is an economic necessity, as well as part of the social contract with the long-term audience that SOME old faves appear every night, except under particualr and unusual circumstances. Our Man has always said that cover albums help clear his pallette for new works, so it is reasonable to assume that BOTH covers and originals will be coming out for some time to come. And given the consolidation of the record industry just now, I would predict some record company pressure for a Roxy Reunion. BUT remeber the last one: It was not about covering old ground, but about creating new music.(Granted, it ran out of gas a bit prematurely...) As to the comment of about Juju music: I am a huge fan of afropop, both Juju and Kwasa (and many other subsets...). I think that a Kwasa based Roxy album would be a Killer. Or an acoustic folky one. Or a Jazz one. Or.... The point is that Phil and Bryan and Andy are extrememly musically literate folks. A "new" Roxy album would go in directions no old one has before. Andrew, with a head cold, in Evanston. (Listening to Steve Reich, which my wife and kids won't let me play while they are home...) - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 08:19:09 PST From: "mark shanahan" Subject: [AVALON] john tesh RULES, man! neil writes: > > you know, it's funny - but i always have thought of bryan as the > > english > > 'john tesh'. > >You are a sick and debased puppy. it was a JOKE! it was a JOKE! it was a JOKE! well, you get the idea. however, you are correct with the above - and thanks for noticing too! peaces/ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:46:34 EST From: Helchat@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Black Taxi Will, Isn't that the song from the soundtrack "Pump Up the Volume?" Great song, but it wasn't C.B that did it in the movie. Helene - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 12:04:20 -0500 From: "Ujvary, Richard A." Subject: RE: [AVALON] Stardom (LONG!) Good points there and you've touched on the reasons perhaps why Ferry has hung around for so long in that he is continually open to new ideas and trying them out. My comment on the juju music could be premature since I'm assuming in my head that the mix wouldn't be good when, in fact, Roxy/Ferry et al probably would do wonders with it. We'd get revelations that's for sure this way as well as going with Will's Metallica route. Also, Stone Woman has to be Ferry's "fastest" (in tempo) song since he left Roxy, no? (I wonder if he'd get a nervous breakdown listening to Reich) I can understand though why people would want him to maybe scream like Daltrey in Won't get Fooled Again and wail those guitars with booming drums. Rich - -----Original Message----- From: AMeyersLD@aol.com [mailto:AMeyersLD@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2000 11:02 AM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Stardom (LONG!) < This debate about whether Bryan should follow new paths,play the old hits, or do more period cover ignores his track record. I think ALL of these have been part of his work for a long time, and will be for some time to come. Any artist with a back catalogue of hits is to a certain extent "chained and bound" to them. If the artist has ten, fifteen, twenty albums worth, there will always be people in the audience who will be disappointed that he didn't play "Beauty Queen" or "She Sells" that particular night. But it is an economic necessity, as well as part of the social contract with the long-term audience that SOME old faves appear every night, except under particualr and unusual circumstances. Our Man has always said that cover albums help clear his pallette for new works, so it is reasonable to assume that BOTH covers and originals will be coming out for some time to come. And given the consolidation of the record industry just now, I would predict some record company pressure for a Roxy Reunion. BUT remeber the last one: It was not about covering old ground, but about creating new music.(Granted, it ran out of gas a bit prematurely...) As to the comment of about Juju music: I am a huge fan of afropop, both Juju and Kwasa (and many other subsets...). I think that a Kwasa based Roxy album would be a Killer. Or an acoustic folky one. Or a Jazz one. Or.... The point is that Phil and Bryan and Andy are extrememly musically literate folks. A "new" Roxy album would go in directions no old one has before. - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 12:04:49 EST From: RODEISLRED@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Black Taxi The great 'Taxi' was NOT written by Ferry--it's a soul song written by (Homer?? Banks/Brooks) and first sung by J. Blackfoot. - --Red shanahan wrote: >yeah - you know, that's my favorite song from that album as well. funny >that it's the one self-penned number there. and, actually, one of my >favorite ferry numbers - period. - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 12:06:03 -0500 From: Heather Buch Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] Stardom (LONG!) - --_uReach_com_26916734995141196326799xxx_ Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number - Free Free voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag - ---- On Thu, 24 Feb 2000, AMeyersLD@aol.com (AMeyersLD@aol.com) wrote: > In a message dated 2/24/2000 8:53:25 AM Central Standard Time, > Richard.A.Ujvary@abc.com writes: > > As to the comment of about Juju music: I am a huge fan of afropop, both > Juju > and Kwasa (and many other subsets...). I think that a Kwasa based Roxy > album > would be a Killer. Yes, as long as he learns more from the David Byrne approach to international music, than from what Paul Simon did with "Graceland," which was silly and egotistical. Heather - --_uReach_com_26916734995141196326799xxx_-- - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 18:13:16 +0100 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: [AVALON] Off-topic: Used books Hallo! After shoping at Amazon.com and not always finding what I want, for instance Alistair Cooke "Generation on Trial" and Ian MacDonald "Revolution in the Head", I wonder where can one buy used books on the internet? As always, your greatful lurker Daniel - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "David Halberstam killed Diem. He made us assassinate him. That man is a traitor--so they give him a Pulitzer Price. They give the Pulitzer Prize to traitors nowadays." President Lyndon B Johnson 1964 attacking then New York Times journalist David Halberstam Detta är ett privat och personligt brev, innehållet får inte utan särskilt medgivande publiceras eller på annat sätt spridas vidare. This is a private and personal letter, the content of which is not for publication or re-distribution without my written permission. - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:20:54 -0600 (CST) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty) Subject: [AVALON] Re: what sells & who sells it I just read an article, on Rock legend Bo Diddley( 71yrs) young & still touring. Quote"Blues & Rock'N'Roll will never diminish.IT will never go away. It might slow up for a little while,like with all this techno music they got going right now." "I'm not going to lie to you. I'm doing some things that are electronic because thats what the ( DJ's) are playing. They want play something by me. "They're looking for something that's (artificial). You can't beat 'em, so you have to join 'em." Hence, if DJ's don't think people will listen they want play it. .....Again back to the money , of what will keep a station on top. If ratings of a station goes. there goes the station. So artists are having to do what they don't want to do to just have a hit. Sad, but its the listening audience thats at fault too. Hence we surf to find what we like. But there is fewer of us than the norm. So Bryan slowely moves along to the beat of his own drum. Once in awhile a DJ & the audience like what they hear & he gets air play. People know more about the tunes, they hear at the movies done by him , than on the radio. I've read where Bryans next endeavor with Dave Stewart, will definitely be Rock & Roll. He was quoted in news, with hisATGB tour," as thats the next game plan." Just hope he lives up to it. Dave Stewart said, quote "He is such a perfectionist, that hes so critical on himself & wants to do it over & over." I't sounds to me its Bryan who can't seem to get the product out. For all of us I just hope he want drag his butt this time around........M.Marlana K........... - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V5 #74 *************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest