From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #72 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Thursday, February 24 2000 Volume 05 : Number 072 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Eastenders ["Simon Galloway" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry Unique - LONG POST ALERT ["gareth mc ginley" ] RE: [AVALON] Suggs [Jocelyn Fiske ] RE: [AVALON] Eastenders ["Turner, Chris (cturner)" ] Re: [AVALON] APS : The last post ["Martin Stockman" ] Re: [AVALON] industry woes (was Songs on Viva) ["Decophile" ] Re: [AVALON] Songs on Viva ["Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest" ] Re: [AVALON] Black Taxi ["Robert Whiteford" ] Re: Re: [AVALON] Ferry Unique [Heather Buch ] Re: [AVALON] BF question to Avalon Encyclopedia ["Pauline F" ] Re: [AVALON] Black Taxi [Noam Bronstein ] [AVALON] Re: London schooling [Ida M Miller ] Re: [AVALON] BF question to Avalon Encyclopedia ["Will Frechette" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eastenders I remember back in early 1986 there was a scene in the cafe and Bryan's version of "Feel the Need" was playing on the "radio" (dubbed on after). Also, there was the one when Michelle left Lofty, and he was listening to the Street Life compilation whilst decorating his flat, and yes, it was vinyl! That must have been 1986 too. Isn't sad some of the things that your memory retains. SimonG >>> "the siren" 02/22 8:52 pm >>> Is there anyone in the Eastenders (UK continuous drama series) production crew with a penchant for BF? BF/RM always figures heavily in the Queen Vic soundtrack (they even played APS when it was released here as a single!). Tonight, both Let's Stick and DSTD were played. I just wonder... - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:05:44 GMT From: "gareth mc ginley" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry Unique - LONG POST ALERT Robert Whiteford wrote: The ATGB album brought back some >genuine raw emotion to his records which was badly missing on Bete Noire >,Taxi and Mamouna. ATGB >corrects this and it's welcome in my view. Some good things did come out of ATGB. For one thing he's thrown his pride aside somewhat. Can you imagine him releasing this album in the 80's? In some ways it's a nice change. Covers albums have worked well for Ferry in the past and we can't really draw a final analysis on ATGB until we see exactly what comes afterwards. I liked Taxi mostly because of the music but partly because it spawned Mamouna (my favourite solo effort). I've always viewed his covers albums as links in the chain to his self penned album (These Foolish Things & Street Life; Bride & first side of Manifesto; Taxi & Mamouna) The question that has to be asked , however, is exactly where is Ferry hoping to go musically by releasing ATGB? Is there any natural progression? Taxi left an impression because a lot of Ferry went into that album (challenging ideas, atmosphere etc.). As lively and as occasionally enjoyable as it is ATGB seems more like a Colin Good solo album, and one that has left very little impression (going by this list). The exceptions are IITMFL and Where Or When which were obviously both the products of a lot of Ferry input. The quality of the next album is going to answer a lot of questions. R.W also wrote: Is it just me or do you sometimes worry he'll just die on things >like Jools Holland? OK he performed well but the sense of vulnerability is >still there. I just sense that the last ounces of self belief were missing >from Ferry until recently Agreed. I've come out in cold sweats just watching the man - praying that he'll just manage to get through without something catastrophic happening. That's why the tour was brilliant. The old confidence was back. You could just sit back, admire Ferry's marvellous presence, and know that everything was going to be just swell. Best wishes, Gareth p.s. Gene & others - 'craic' is the Irish slang for having great fun. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:26:51 -0000 From: Jocelyn Fiske Subject: RE: [AVALON] Eastenders There's always been a big fan of Roxy and Bry's as part of the Corrie production staff too. Slave to Love swamped Weatherfield when it first came out. Is there anyone in the Eastenders (UK continuous drama series) production crew with a penchant for BF? BF/RM always figures heavily in the Queen Vic soundtrack - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:28:49 -0000 From: Jocelyn Fiske Subject: RE: [AVALON] Suggs And not forgetting the sublime Roxyesque keyboard work in the middle of My Name Is Michael Caine. Although I always believed it was Chrissie Boy the guitarist who was the mega Roxy fan. Jocelyn - -----Original Message----- From: the siren [mailto:roxysiren@hotmail.com] Sent: 22 February 2000 21:02 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Suggs Suggs was on Jools Holland's Radio 2 programme last night. Mentioned RM 2-3 times, always with affection. Of course 4bf confirmed his fanhood. Robert ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 02:45:39 -0800 From: "Turner, Chris (cturner)" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Eastenders Michelle has left Lofty? Boy, I REALLY must catch up with the storylines... Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Galloway [SMTP:SIMONG@jazzfm.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 9:33 AM > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eastenders > > I remember back in early 1986 there was a scene in the cafe and Bryan's > version of "Feel the Need" was playing on the "radio" (dubbed on after). > > Also, there was the one when Michelle left Lofty, and he was listening to > the Street Life compilation whilst decorating his flat, and yes, it was > vinyl! That must have been 1986 too. > > Isn't sad some of the things that your memory retains. > > SimonG > > >>> "the siren" 02/22 8:52 pm >>> > Is there anyone in the Eastenders (UK continuous drama series) production > crew with a penchant for BF? BF/RM always figures heavily in the Queen Vic > > soundtrack (they even played APS when it was released here as a single!). > Tonight, both Let's Stick and DSTD were played. I just wonder... > > > > > > > -------------------- > To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail > majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 11:04:07 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] APS : The last post I think all orders have now been dealt with. Cecilia, Glen, Crystal, Allison, Valeri, Marlana and James, your copies are presently airborn. I've got 43 trusted Avalonions who, I assume, are in a "the cheque's in the post" situation. Mail me off-list if you've mislaid payment details. Or if your order has been mislaid at Stockman Towers. Okay Mart - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 06:40:15 EST From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] '95 Show Info In a message dated 02/22/2000 10:14:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, tmoq@pipeline.com writes: << >The other one I have is the BBC concert with Trower but it's too short to be >the one you want, Gene. > >Arnie Is this the Wolverhampton show? >> Yes. - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 06:43:50 EST From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bogus Man, a barking dog, and a mondegreen In a message dated 02/23/2000 12:18:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, AMeyersLD@aol.com writes: << I took nine Nine year olds to see that. The weird little short was actually entertaining in a "gee-I-wish-still-did-drugs" kinda way..... >> Absolutely. Made me wish for psychedelics or hashish. Arnie - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 06:39:50 -0800 From: Rod Le Cloux Subject: Re: [AVALON] Songs on Viva-(Warning! Long and Boring!) ASchulberg@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 02/22/2000 10:08:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, > hpropes@ureach.com writes: > > << worked for Navel Intelligence. >> > > Inspected belly buttons, I presume? > > Arnie > Arnie, you had me rolling on the floor with that one! Rod - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:44:38 -0500 From: Heather Buch Subject: Re: [AVALON] BF album news - --_uReach_com_26916734995131347810178xxx_ Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number - Free Free voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag - ---- On Tue, 22 Feb 2000, Ida M Miller (idafan@home.com) wrote: Wasn't the only original in that movie the one by Cockney Rebel that they played at the end? "Tumbling Down," I think... I'm still curious. Was Jack Fairy (Ferry?) supposed to be Bryan? And if so, what was the correct spelling of that character's name? Heather > Beryl Tomay’s Follow Me Around site > (http://www.followmearound.com/) notes that Thom Yorke and > Greenwood covered five songs of Ferry’s band Roxy Music for > the “Velvet Goldmine” soundtrack in 1998 in a band called > Venus in Furs along with Bernard Butler, Paul Kimble and > Andy Mackay. > > > > > -------------------- > To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail > majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > - --_uReach_com_26916734995131347810178xxx_-- - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:43:20 -0500 From: "Decophile" Subject: Re: [AVALON] industry woes (was Songs on Viva) - -----Original Message----- From: Noam Bronstein To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 10:48 AM Subject: [AVALON] industry woes (was Songs on Viva) >All this is just the glaringly obvious stuff. If I had to grossly >oversimplify, I believe the solid-state "revolution" had a lot to do >with this; basically most (not all) records from the mid 70s on were >"engineered" to sound acceptable on cheap, mass-produced Japanese >transistor stereos, and I'd go further to say that better than 95% of >CD's made between, say, '83 and '95 were calibrated to 'sound good' on >boom boxes. As they say.. if I told you any more than that, I'd have >to kill you. This same principle was applied to cassette tapes as well. They used the cheapest tape they could get then high speed dubbed them leaving the music lost in a sea of hiss and just left it to the stereo equipment manufactures to deal with. Some record companies did experiment with a high dynamic range tape that yielded good results but still nowhere near as good as a quality vinyl pressing, IMO. > >Say what you will about CD's (I don't care for them very much) but they >are a lot easier for the average person to deal with. My five year old >daughter can play a CD without hurting anything, but she'll have to be >nine or ten before she can play my LP's, and she'll have to sign papers >beforehand. LOL! Indeed. IMO, vinyl got an undeserved bad rap in the end and I suppose some of it can be blamed on a lazy public unwilling to properly care for their LPs. What`s really sad is that the biggest break through in vinyl care didn`t come along until long after vinyl fell out of favor with the public. Record cleaning systems like Nitty Gritty and V.I.P have revolutionized vinyl care. After decades of religiously cleaning my LPs with the usual assortment of cleaners like D4 I broke down a few years ago and bought a Nitty Gritty. What a shock! The gunk it removed that was embedded deep in the grooves was startling. Between 50%-75% of the crackles, pops and surface noise I thought were in the vinyl disappeared and the sound suddenly came to life in a way I never thought existed. They`re not cheap but I highly recommend one, especially the semi-auto models, to anyone serious about their vinyl. You`re in for a big surprise. http://www.nittygrittyinc.com/. Gene - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 09:14:58 -0500 From: Heather James Subject: Re: [AVALON] industry woes (was Songs on Viva) One reason that no one has mentioned so far as to why album quality went down the tubes was the petroleum shortages (circa 73-74). That had a lot to do with mainstream albums going from virgin vinyl to recycled meltdown vinyl. Lots of my friends started buying imports and audiofile LPs around that time - we'd play it once to copy it to cassette and then shelve it for future use. We weren't terribly into mainstream releases in the first place, and none of us bought music on commercial cassette. -= )-(eather =- >------------------< hjames@thewebgal.com Heather's Website: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/ My Roxy Music site: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ >-----------------------------------------------------< Decophile wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: Noam Bronstein > To: avalon@smoe.org > Date: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 10:48 AM > Subject: [AVALON] industry woes (was Songs on Viva) > > >All this is just the glaringly obvious stuff. If I had to grossly > >oversimplify, I believe the solid-state "revolution" had a lot to do > >with this; basically most (not all) records from the mid 70s on were > >"engineered" to sound acceptable on cheap, mass-produced Japanese > >transistor stereos, and I'd go further to say that better than 95% of > >CD's made between, say, '83 and '95 were calibrated to 'sound good' on > >boom boxes. As they say.. if I told you any more than that, I'd have > >to kill you. > > This same principle was applied to cassette tapes as well. They used the > cheapest tape they could get then high speed dubbed them leaving the music > lost in a sea of hiss and just left it to the stereo equipment manufactures > to deal with. Some record companies did experiment with a high dynamic range > tape that yielded good results but still nowhere near as good as a quality > vinyl pressing, IMO. > > > > >Say what you will about CD's (I don't care for them very much) but they > >are a lot easier for the average person to deal with. My five year old > >daughter can play a CD without hurting anything, but she'll have to be > >nine or ten before she can play my LP's, and she'll have to sign papers > >beforehand. > > LOL! Indeed. IMO, vinyl got an undeserved bad rap in the end and I suppose > some of it can be blamed on a lazy public unwilling to properly care for > their LPs. What`s really sad is that the biggest break through in vinyl > care didn`t come along until long after vinyl fell out of favor with the > public. Record cleaning systems like Nitty Gritty and V.I.P have > revolutionized vinyl care. > After decades of religiously cleaning my LPs with the usual assortment of > cleaners like D4 I broke down a few years ago and bought a Nitty Gritty. > What a shock! The gunk it removed that was embedded deep in the grooves was > startling. Between 50%-75% of the crackles, pops and surface noise I thought > were in the vinyl disappeared and the sound suddenly came to life in a way I > never thought existed. They`re not cheap but I highly recommend one, > especially the semi-auto models, to anyone serious about their vinyl. You`re > in for a big surprise. http://www.nittygrittyinc.com/. > > Gene > > -------------------- > To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail > majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -- - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 09:21:50 -0500 From: "Ujvary, Richard A." Subject: [AVALON] Stardom Got a glimpse last night on tv of the trials and tribulations of stardom from David Cassidy. Scary stuff. Girls pulling and ripping his hair out, overturning and destroying limousines. The incessant demands on his time. No way out. I guess it's par for the course when you're at that level. Ferry's lucky. He's got a mature crowd still following him and hasn't suffered like Cassidy. Rich - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 21:36:42 +0100 From: "Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Songs on Viva Someone wrote that the songs on Viva are chosen by Phil. I read an interview with Bryan where he told that any individual bandmember wrote down his favorite liverecordings and that they choose the songs from these lists. A rather strange way to select songs for an album. Anyone else ever heard or read this? Cheers Han - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:31:31 EST From: AMeyersLD@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] industry woes (was Songs on Viva) Noam (I think) wrote: << My five year old >daughter can play a CD without hurting anything, but she'll have to be >nine or ten before she can play my LP's, and she'll have to sign papers >beforehand.>> My five year old and nine year old are fascinated with my vinyl records. These have been unused for most of their lives (no turntable), and now that they are out, the kids love'em. But the thing they love the most is that when you dance REAL hard the music skips.... So I have been encouraging them only to play things like my old Uriah Heep albums... Andrew in Evanston. - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 07:45:00 PST From: "mark shanahan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry Unique - *LONGER POST ALERT* gereth writes: >Some good things did come out of ATGB. For one thing he's thrown his pride >aside somewhat. Can you imagine him releasing this album in the 80's? In >some ways it's a nice change. Covers albums have worked well for Ferry in >the past and we can't really draw a final analysis on ATGB until we see >exactly what comes afterwards. i agree & disagree. first, i think a lot of good things *did* come out of atgb. i don't know about 'pride aside', but i agree that the 80's ferry *would not* have released this particular oeuvre then. i think atgb stands alone ... for my money, there is no waiting for the next material to be able to do a "final analysis" on atgb. >I liked Taxi mostly because of the music but partly because it spawned >Mamouna (my favourite solo effort). The question that has to be asked , >however, is exactly where is Ferry hoping to go musically by releasing >ATGB? Is there any natural progression? 'mamouna' is one highly underrated piece of work IMO too. but, i think it's just as ferry has said ... he'd been thinking of doing this album for *years*. so, it was only a matter of time before it was released. is there a grand plan? does there have to be? >Taxi left an impression because a lot of Ferry went into that album >(challenging ideas, atmosphere etc.). As lively and as occasionally >enjoyable as it is ATGB seems more like a Colin Good solo album, and one >that has left very little impression (going by this list). The exceptions >are IITMFL and Where Or When which were obviously both the products of a >lot of Ferry input. The quality of the next album is going to answer a >lot of questions. i disagree entirely. i think as much of ferry went into this release as any other. i'm sure he relied on colin good quite a bit, but a "coling good solo album"?! i found atgb to be a great album, overall - and that being said after i was abhorring the idea (of a cover album - 30's or otherwise) prior to. the quality of the next work is totally irrelevant, to my mind. peaces/ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:56:25 -0600 (CST) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty) Subject: [AVALON] Its Airborn Was so glad to read Martins post . I'll be watching for mail for its arrival. Thanksssssss soooooo Muchhhh. Martin. You will also most definiteley have your Money in post haste. Thanks again .M. Marlana. K................ - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 18:35:23 +0100 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry Unique >>Taxi left an impression because a lot of Ferry went into that album >>(challenging ideas, atmosphere etc.). Yuck. The impression Taxi left with me is that it's a veeeery boring record. Ferry wades thorugh a morass of guitarlicks and "ambience"-synths. His voice and singing is dead most of the time, and whatever joy he might have felt when doing this record was effectivly erased in the production. Hell, I prefer In Your Mind if I have to choose! /Kicki G - no flaming, thank you - ------------------------ Kicki Gustafsson, Östersunds-Posten 063-16 16 51 http://www.op.se http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (privat hemsida) - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 18:50:11 -0000 From: "Robert Whiteford" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Black Taxi Sad to say I agree. Taxi smacked of panic release really. And over production didn't help. I think it was designed to be commercial. The best thing on Taxi is the Intro to Spell and "Because your mine" which at least had some menace. I say again that you only have to listen to the Mamouna promo stuff on APS to realise that the clutter killed some of the beauty and emotion. This is back to the self belief thing. Did a man with his gift really have to surround himself with great session musicians playing AOR stuff? And even if they are covers on atgb it's great to hear him sing some great lyrics and be the real star of the show. Rob - ----- Original Message ----- From: Kicki Gustafsson To: Sent: 23 February 2000 17:35 Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry Unique Yuck. The impression Taxi left with me is that it's a veeeery boring record. Ferry wades thorugh a morass of guitarlicks and "ambience"-synths. His voice and singing is dead most of the time, and whatever joy he might have felt when doing this record was effectivly erased in the production. Hell, I prefer In Your Mind if I have to choose! /Kicki G - no flaming, thank you - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 18:51:31 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry Unique - ---------- >From: Kicki Gustafsson > > Yuck. The impression Taxi left with me is that it's a veeeery boring record. > Ferry wades thorugh a morass of guitarlicks and "ambience"-synths. > His voice and singing is dead most of the time, and whatever joy he might > have felt when doing this record was effectivly erased in the production. > Hell, I prefer In Your Mind if I have to choose! Get that timewaster off the list. What's she ever done that been any use anyway. M - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:03:00 +0100 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry Unique >---------- >>From: Kicki Gustafsson >> >> Yuck. The impression Taxi left with me is that it's a veeeery boring record. >> Ferry wades thorugh a morass of guitarlicks and "ambience"-synths. >> His voice and singing is dead most of the time, and whatever joy he might >> have felt when doing this record was effectivly erased in the production. >> Hell, I prefer In Your Mind if I have to choose! > >Get that timewaster off the list. What's she ever done that been any use >anyway. > >M And I love you too! /Kicki - ------------------------ Kicki Gustafsson, Östersunds-Posten 063-16 16 51 http://www.op.se http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (privat hemsida) - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 15:17:43 -0500 From: Heather Buch Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] Ferry Unique - --_uReach_com_26916734995133706329352xxx_ Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is just precious. Heather - ---- On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Kicki Gustafsson (kicki.gustafsson@op.se) wrote: > >---------- > >>From: Kicki Gustafsson > >> > >> Yuck. The impression Taxi left with me is that it's a veeeery boring > record. > >> Ferry wades thorugh a morass of guitarlicks and "ambience"-synths. > >> His voice and singing is dead most of the time, and whatever joy he > might > >> have felt when doing this record was effectivly erased in the > production. > >> Hell, I prefer In Your Mind if I have to choose! > > > >Get that timewaster off the list. What's she ever done that been any > use > >anyway. > > > >M > > And I love you too! > > /Kicki > > ------------------------ > Kicki Gustafsson, Östersunds-Posten 063-16 16 51 > http://www.op.se > http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (privat hemsida) > > > > > > > -------------------- > To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail > majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number - Free Free voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag - --_uReach_com_26916734995133706329352xxx_-- - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 23:59:04 CET From: "Pauline F" Subject: Re: [AVALON] BF question to Avalon Encyclopedia >One question was : Is he still living in Paris and in London? and I >couldn't >answer as I've never know where Bry is living. Who knows that? Is it >somewhere >in London? > As far as I know, he has two houses in England; one in Holland Park, London (during the week), the other near Petworth, Sussex (for the weekend). Don't know if he still has that holiday home in Umbria, Italy. Pauline ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 23:37:54 -0000 From: "Robert Whiteford" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eastenders & Cliffhanger Just to keep you fully up to date Pat has done a runner with Roly the dog from the Queen Vic. I was reading the article on the avalon website on the Cliffhanger business and it makes you wonder if Stallone really is thick. If he had another brain he would be a half-wit. And they get that guy who is now in Eastenders instead!!!! - is it Craig Fairbrass? Whether his music would have died had he made it in Hollywood is open to debate, but maybe not as he always said he was only really doing it for money. Bel Air's OK if you dig the grave. So there's no point going back is there? Especially now he seems a bit happier and relaxed. Finally I'm still interested in what sort of results a vote ranking Ferry solo records would give us. Boys and Girls top ? or Foolish Things? or even Bete Noire for some? surely not In Your Mind or Taxi ? Wonder where ATGB would get to in the Avalon Hit Parade? Rob - ----- Original Message ----- From: Turner, Chris (cturner) To: Sent: 23 February 2000 10:45 Subject: RE: [AVALON] Eastenders > Michelle has left Lofty? Boy, I REALLY must catch up with the storylines... > > Chris - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 23:43:26 -0000 From: "Robert Whiteford" Subject: Re: [AVALON] BF question to Avalon Encyclopedia didn't he have to sell a flat in New York to finance Bete Noire? and I thought he still had a place in Paris but could be wrong. Rob - ----- Original Message ----- From: Pauline F To: Sent: 23 February 2000 23:59 Subject: Re: [AVALON] BF question to Avalon Encyclopedia > > > >One question was : Is he still living in Paris and in London? and I > >couldn't > >answer as I've never know where Bry is living. Who knows that? Is it > >somewhere > >in London? > > > > As far as I know, he has two houses in England; one in Holland Park, London > (during the week), the other near Petworth, Sussex (for the weekend). Don't > know if he still has that holiday home in Umbria, Italy. > > Pauline > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > -------------------- > To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail > majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:04:17 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry Unique - *LONGER POST ALERT* On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, mark shanahan wrote: > gereth writes: > > >Some good things did come out of ATGB. For one thing he's thrown his pride > >aside somewhat. Can you imagine him releasing this album in the 80's? In > >some ways it's a nice change. Covers albums have worked well for Ferry in > >the past and we can't really draw a final analysis on ATGB until we see > >exactly what comes afterwards. > > i agree & disagree. first, i think a lot of good things *did* come out of > atgb. i don't know about 'pride aside', but i agree that the 80's ferry > *would not* have released this particular oeuvre then. i think atgb stands > alone ... for my money, there is no waiting for the next material to be able > to do a "final analysis" on atgb. And this keeps coming back to an issue I keep raising and which never gets addressed (I am nothing if not tenacious--kind of like Reece Witherspoon's character in _Election_). There was a review of _As Time Goes By_ posted to the list (I think maybe from a Canadian newspaper) which referred to it as something like "a classy kiss-off," a reference to this being the final album Ferry released in order to fulfill his contract with Virgin or whomever. Which is as good a reason as any to explain why he released this covers album instead of his original stuff, no? Because you see, I'm kind of offended by the idea that Ferry had to somehow swallow his pride to put out _ATGB_. Now this might sound odd or contrary coming from someone who is not exactly thrilled, to say the least, with _ATGB_, but sheesh, it's not he had to go out and get a job or prostitute himself by turning into John Tesh in order to support his family. As I said in my initial remarks about it--and I'm paraphasing here--it's not that _ATGB_ is not a good album, it's just that it's not a very good Bryan Ferry album. Colle[e]n - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:06:05 EST From: POE1527@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] APS : The last post sorry for the delay in payment but if you will kindly give me your post i'll get righton it.by the way the tape was fantastic and having been a devote fan since 1972 i had not seen or heard any of the interviews or the like. but i had seen the earliest of concerts and they brought back many great memories the tape was like having a new album many thanks to all who labored on the project - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:28:23 EST From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Stardom In a message dated 02/23/2000 9:24:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, Richard.A.Ujvary@abc.com writes: << Got a glimpse last night on tv of the trials and tribulations of stardom from David Cassidy. Scary stuff. Girls pulling and ripping his hair out, overturning and destroying limousines. The incessant demands on his time. No way out. I guess it's par for the course when you're at that level. >> Tried reading Crosby's autobiography but only got about halfway through it. He certainly lived the rock star life and his self-indulgence is so overpowering that reading the book became a struggle since he's not very likeable. Now, with the Melissa Etheridge/fatherhood angle I guess we're in for a second autobiography on the later years. Arnie - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:21:53 -0600 From: Jim Rosencutter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Black Taxi When I first heard that Ferry was releasing an album of cover songs called Taxi, I got excited about the idea of his covering Harry Chapin's "Taxi." Not that I particularly liked the song, I was looking forward to hearing Bryan's take on it. "She gave me 20 dollars for a two-fifty fare, and she said 'Ferry, keep the change.'" So the album disappointed me from the onset. - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 19:10:15 -0800 (PST) From: Noam Bronstein Subject: Re: [AVALON] Black Taxi I'd love to hear Ferry cover "First We Take Manhattan". I've been listening to Jennifer Warnes' sort of dull version (saved by those great Stevie Ray Vaughn guitar licks). What a great song though. I wonder, is it because Leonard Cohen's songs were covered to death that BF never bothered to do it? "They sentenced me to twenty years of boredom." Noam - --- Jim Rosencutter wrote: > When I first heard that Ferry was releasing an album of cover songs > called Taxi, I got excited about the idea of his covering Harry > Chapin's > "Taxi." Not that I particularly liked the song, I was looking > forward > to hearing Bryan's take on it. "She gave me 20 dollars for a > two-fifty ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:09:30 -0800 From: Ida M Miller Subject: [AVALON] Re: London schooling In early November, I was staying at a lovely B&B in Ealing for four days. It was Guy Fawkes weekend, and my host was out every evening. I was out and about all day every day, so we had very little chance for chit-chat and inter-action. On my last morning as I was waiting for the taxi, we began to discuss the reason I was in England, which had been to follow a fave band around on tour for about ten days. We started to discuss my other fave bands, I of course mentioned Bryan .. and my host told me that his son and Bry's attended the same school. He mentioned that he saw Bryan on a regular basis at the school, as they each waited to pick up their sons. As I gasped and began to ask for any anecdotes or observations he may have been able to offer ... my taxi arrived. Alas .. what a missed opportunity for some insights! > As far as I know, he has two houses in England; one in Holland Park, London > (during the week), the other near Petworth, Sussex (for the weekend). - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 23:36:54 -0600 From: "Will Frechette" Subject: Re: [AVALON] BF question to Avalon Encyclopedia Holland Park isn't that where Edina always claims to live on ABFab?But it's really Shepard's Bush. Will - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline F" mailto:pauline_f88@hotmail.com> > >One question was : Is he still living in Paris and in London? and I > >couldn't > >answer as I've never know where Bry is living. Who knows that? Is it > >somewhere > >in London? > > > > As far as I know, he has two houses in England; one in Holland Park, London > (during the week), the other near Petworth, Sussex (for the weekend). Don't > know if he still has that holiday home in Umbria, Italy. > > Pauline - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V5 #72 *************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest