From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #69 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Monday, February 21 2000 Volume 05 : Number 069 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] manzanera.com [Kicki Gustafsson ] RE: [AVALON] 79' RM Tour [Frederic DECLERCQ ] RE: [AVALON] mystery poet [Frederic DECLERCQ ] RE: [AVALON] Love Strong Enough - Long Version [Frederic DECLERCQ ] [AVALON] Avalon updated [Kicki Gustafsson ] Re: [AVALON] Then out of the blue ["Martin Stockman" ] Re: [AVALON] Bogus Man, a barking dog, and a mondegreen [ASchulberg@aol.c] Re: [AVALON] Bogus Man, a barking dog, and a mondegreen [Gal410@aol.com] [AVALON] '95 Show Info ["Decophile" ] [AVALON] Roxy on University Challenge! ["gareth mc ginley" ] Re: [AVALON] Love Strong Enough - Long Version ["Robert Whiteford" ] Re: [AVALON] Songs on Viva [Noam Bronstein ] RE: [AVALON] Songs on Viva ["Heather James" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 10:17:46 +0800 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: [AVALON] manzanera.com The ever evolving Manzanera site (http://www.manzanera.com) now has an interactive page, where you can find (quote): A classified ads page. If you have any Manzanera/Roxy related needs or wants just post it here. Someone out there may have just what you need A post your own links page. If you run or know of a suitable site that you want linked to Manzanera.com just post the details here. An email mailing list. Enter your email address here and you'll be added to the Manzanera Mailing List. You'll then be the first to hear about important news, new CD releases and other matters. Cool, huh? I wonder when the team behind Bryan Ferry.com will do something like this. Kicki G - --------------------------- Kicki Gustafsson http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (personal homepage) http://www.avalon.pp.se (my Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry-site) - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 12:34:41 +0100 From: Frederic DECLERCQ Subject: RE: [AVALON] 79' RM Tour I bought it in a small cd shop. I had never seen this cd before. The artwork is very simple. The list artworks are more profesional that this one. I 've never seen it liste"d in Roxy's biography. Why? Fred - -----Original Message----- From: Simon Galloway [SMTP:simong@jazzfm.com] Sent: vendredi 18 février 2000 12:56 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] 79' RM Tour It is an official disc and was released a couple of years ago. Buy with confidence. Which shop are you buying it from? >>> Frederic DECLERCQ 02/18 9:51 am >>> >Then what Tour was that? Manifesto Tour? Was it worldwide, did it come to >Europe and Belgium? Who were the accompagnying musicians? It was part of the 1979 world tour which went all over the place, and the line up (from memory) is Bryan, Phil, Andy, Paul, Gary Tibbs and David Skinner. SimonG (Stranded on a temporary computer) - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 12:38:41 +0100 From: Frederic DECLERCQ Subject: RE: [AVALON] mystery poet Could it be me? I wrote and believe that Bry is not a real poet. he 's great (one of the best) in putting words on music notes creating a real atmosphere. If this is what you want to talk about, then go on... Fred - -----Original Message----- From: ecwoods@mindspring.com [SMTP:ecwoods@mindspring.com] Sent: jeudi 17 février 2000 2:40 To: avalon mailing list Subject: [AVALON] mystery poet I accidentally erased a message I had intended to keep. Someone was writing in response to all the talk of "Ferry as poet" and mentioned that he was an amateur poet. I write too, and I would love to "talk shop" if you're up for that. Crystal ecwoods@mindspring.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 12:40:46 +0100 From: Frederic DECLERCQ Subject: RE: [AVALON] Love Strong Enough - Long Version I've got it but not on cd, on vynil... The remix is fantastic Fred - -----Original Message----- From: jspellma [SMTP:jspellman@banet.net] Sent: vendredi 18 février 2000 17:38 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Love Strong Enough - Long Version Ivor Canning wrote: > IMO 'Is Your Love Strong Enough ?' is one of the most direct and > affecting songs Ferry has ever recorded. Nothing on 'B&G' or 'Bete Noire' > actually *moves* me like this does. This song moves me as well. Does anyone have the maxi single of this? It has an incredible 7 minute version of Love Strong Enough, as well as the original radio edit. The cherry is the Side 2 instrumental version of Windswept that may be better than the vocal version (which I love). I never saw these versions appear on CD however, and my vinyl is rather worn. Anyone??? Jim - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 12:16:21 -0000 From: "Mary Hunwicks" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Love Strong Enough - Long Version I've got the long version of 'Is Your Love Strong Enough?' on two cd's. It's one of the tracks on the Australian single of 'Dance With Life' and it's also on the Japanese compilation 'Bryan Ferry : The Greatest'. Mary - -----Original Message----- From: Frederic DECLERCQ To: 'avalon@smoe.org' Date: 21 February 2000 11:50 Subject: RE: [AVALON] Love Strong Enough - Long Version I've got it but not on cd, on vynil... The remix is fantastic Fred - -----Original Message----- From: jspellma [SMTP:jspellman@banet.net] Sent: vendredi 18 février 2000 17:38 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Love Strong Enough - Long Version Ivor Canning wrote: > IMO 'Is Your Love Strong Enough ?' is one of the most direct and > affecting songs Ferry has ever recorded. Nothing on 'B&G' or 'Bete Noire' > actually *moves* me like this does. This song moves me as well. Does anyone have the maxi single of this? It has an incredible 7 minute version of Love Strong Enough, as well as the original radio edit. The cherry is the Side 2 instrumental version of Windswept that may be better than the vocal version (which I love). I never saw these versions appear on CD however, and my vinyl is rather worn. Anyone??? Jim - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 14:24:50 GMT From: "gareth mc ginley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] mystery poet Frederic DECLERCQ wonders about BF'S unique role in music when he writes: >I wrote and believe that Bry is not a real poet. he 's great >(one of the best) in putting words on music notes creating a real >atmosphere. It's very hard to pinpoint one particular reason as to why BF stands out from ever other musician in musical history. One of the best things about him is that he's very hard to categorise. He's not the best vocalist, and, although he's right up there, he's not the best lyricist. So what's so great about him then? Well I've thought about this long and hard and concluded that as far as 'song stylists' go our Bryan is at the very top of the pile. He can bring a unique sense of style to any song and if you're looking for examples of this then Taxi is probably the best place to begin. Much of this album goes completely against tradition but works really well. The biggest disappointment of ATGB for me was that he seemed to be attempting to prove his vocal abilities, whilst sacrificing the unique style that he invariably brings to a record. Whilst on the point I'd also say that there's no harm at all in discussing the way he dresses etc, because it's a perfect reflection on his musical style. That sense of going against what society condones (e.g. white socks) and still looking great. It's what he's all about. regards, Gareth. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 15:26:20 +0800 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: [AVALON] Avalon updated The Avalonsite at http://www.avalon.pp.se is updated with some of Johnny Reece's photos from the Ferry-gig in Brussels. Enjoy. It's been a while since I last put up a listmember profile. Anyone who is interested is more than welcome to mail me: If you look a the other's profiles you can see what kind of info I'm looking for. I handle the HTML-side of the matter. If you want to include a picture you can mail that also, as an attatched jpeg-file. If you have problems with scanning a picture, you can send me the picture in a regular, papermade envelope and I'll scan it for you! :-) But you don't have to have a picure, I'll put up your profile anyway. Kicki G, webmistress - --------------------------- Kicki Gustafsson http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (personal homepage) http://www.avalon.pp.se (my Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry-site) - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 15:18:06 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Then out of the blue Like many barnacled Avalonions I have always been wary of "Oh Yeah (on the radio)" as a song and as a statement. Until, that is, I came across the live version currently doing the rounds on the "8 Miles High" bootleg. Longsuffering zealots of the "he's so desperate to break America it's embarrassing" inclination should zip directly through to the 4 minute registar on the track whereby we have a minute and a half of quite goregeous scat / sax / hubbard soundscape in the Always Unknowing tradition. Thank you for uncovering this pearl from the depths. K-Martino - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 12:09:40 -0500 From: Heather Buch Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bogus Man, a barking dog, and a mondegreen - --_uReach_com_26916734995115298028810xxx_ Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - ---- On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, ecwoods@mindspring.com (ecwoods@mindspring.com) wrote: > Hello to all-- > > Apologies if anyone's already noticed this, but the beginning section of > The > Black Crowes' "Black Moon Creeping" (track 7 off the 1992 release _The > Southern Harmony and Musical Companion_) seems to bear quite a > resemblance > to the opening of "The Bogus Man." Granted, the Crowes' piece is a > little > faster and uses a harmonica, but I hear the RM song in there every time. That can happen. YI'll bet there are lots of groups that were more influenced (subconsciously or otherwise) by RM than they think they were. I swear that the Danish band TV2's song, "Vil Du Danse Med Mig" has bits of "My Little Girl" in it, as I've said before. > And speaking of DSTD, my Dad used to think Bryan was saying, "Don't Stop > FOR > GAS." I thought it was cute but pretended to be horrified. Tee hee. That's a good one. I think a lot of Ferry's songs lend themselves to Mondegreens because he sings them so breathily. > > Have a safe and productive week-- > Productive? Ha! I'm just trying to put in as many hours as possible before I go on leave. These days staying awake is an accomplishment :). Ciao, Heather ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number - Free Free voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag - --_uReach_com_26916734995115298028810xxx_-- - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 12:42:34 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] 'Wilderness is Paradise'Long Post - Beware! Bahi Para wrote: Edward Fitzgerald's reading of the Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam has been a source of inspiration for Bryan's words, especially on the Bete Noire album. Bahi: Thanks for the link. I greatly enjoyed the article, interpretation, and translation of the Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam. Very rich imagery. Below are selected stanzas from the Rubaiyat: LXVI. I sent my Soul through the Invisible, Some letter of that After-life to spell: And by and by my Soul return'd to me, And answer'd "I Myself am Heav'n and Hell:" LXVII. Heav'n but the Vision of fulfill'd Desire, And Hell the Shadow from a Soul on fire, Cast on the Darkness into which Ourselves, So late emerged from, shall so soon expire. It amazes me how verse can be translated from one language to another while retaining a proper form of verse and conveyance of original meaning. Of course, meaning is to an extent dependent upon so many variables - educated quesses about the vernacular, personal interpretation and intuition, collective understanding, perceived fact, etc. I am always left wondering how close the rendering is to the original's intent. Perhaps that is precisely why I like shades of gray as opposed to black and white, or lyrics that easily lend themselves to different meanings by different people. Meaning is relative. I believe anyone who has seriously pondered issues such as the meaning of life, what is the point of existence, is there life after death, a higher power - if anything, and any other definitive question with no apparent answer, has probably stumbled around and perhaps concluded any number of explanation. Some call the answers religion, belief, philosophy, tenet, credence, opinion. Whatever the term used, most ponderers decided upon an extension-of-self explanation in some form. This is a common thread many share. I believe Mr. Ferry does, too, and his lyrics economically express this esoteric essential, whether or not he consciously recognizes this. What may seem personal is really universal. Milton, Wordsworth, Dante, Shakespeare, and countless others (including IMO Ferry), have influenced and have been influenced by countless others. Has been and always shall be ? Approaching plus or minus infinity. Carpe Diem. Best wishes, kbp - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 21:39:44 +0800 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: [AVALON] Avalon updated Did this go through before?? If so, I apologise... - ------------- The Avalonsite at http://www.avalon.pp.se is updated with some of Johnny Reece's photos from the Ferry-gig in Brussels. Enjoy. It's been a while since I last put up a listmember profile. Anyone who is interested is more than welcome to mail me: If you look a the other's profiles you can see what kind of info I'm looking for. I handle the HTML-side of the matter. If you want to include a picture you can mail that also, as an attatched jpeg-file. If you have problems with scanning a picture, you can send me the picture in a regular, papermade envelope and I'll scan it for you! :-) But you don't have to have a picure, I'll put up your profile anyway. Kicki G, webmistress - --------------------------- Kicki Gustafsson http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (personal homepage) http://www.avalon.pp.se (my Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry-site) - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 16:33:22 EST From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bogus Man, a barking dog, and a mondegreen In a message dated 02/20/2000 11:56:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, ecwoods@mindspring.com writes: << And speaking of DSTD, my Dad used to think Bryan was saying, "Don't Stop FOR GAS." I thought it was cute but pretended to be horrified. >> Today's mondegreen on my calendar is "Alex the seal" from the Go-Go's hit "Our Lips Are Sealed." Took my kids to see "Snow Day" today. Wonder how many other parents in the audience knew that the crazy guy playing Al Martino tunes at the ice rink (and worshipping Martino) was Iggy Pop? Sure was a great "inside" joke to me. Arnie - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 16:48:23 EST From: Gal410@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bogus Man, a barking dog, and a mondegreen I will be taking my kids to see it on Wednesday. Is it bearable to watch? I will look for Iggy! Heidi - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 17:26:28 -0500 From: "Decophile" Subject: [AVALON] '95 Show Info I have a great audience recording from a '95 show with Trower (15 tracks) but I`ve lost the info to it (track list, date, location). Does anyone have it? Thanks, Gene - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 22:44:10 GMT From: "gareth mc ginley" Subject: [AVALON] Roxy on University Challenge! Yes it's true. The music round on University Challenge usually throws up three classical pieces that are only ever answered by some guy that looks like he's Ken Dodd's uglier brother. It's usually everyones queue to go and put on the kettle. Therefore you can imagine my shock when the opening chords of Pyjamarama disrupt the usual reserved proceedings. OK, OK so T-Rex and Suzi Quatro got played too which ruined things a bit, but anyway. Some relatively cool looking guy got it right and Paxman seemed suitably impressed. Talking of Pyjamarama.....(sorry folks another terribly boring story but one that simply had to be told). Our piss-ups here in Belfast tend to be the usual student affairs i.e. sitting around getting very drunk and playing music of all sorts, right through from the 1950's to modern day. Typically, we all like to think that we're a terribly eclectic bunch musically. A few years ago when these events were a bit more frequent I used to stick in the odd Roxy/ Ferry tune. Lets Stick Together always got thumbs up of course. One night though I dared venture into somewhat more experimental territory thinking that Pyjamarama might be the moment when they finally saw the light (must have had way too much to drink). The horrifying unanimous opinion of the Grand Jury was that it sounded like the Bee Gee's. Well that was it. There's insults and there's ****INSULTS****. I roared back that if I ever had to sit through another 10 minute bass solo from Lynyrd Skynyrd that I'd simply go clean crazy. From that day on neither Roxy nor Lynyrd Skynyrd have ever been allowed near the hi-fi on "Razzle Night" and I've once and for all given up on my quest to convert the musically blind. Over and Out Gareth p.s. Kicki - I'll send my Avalon photo and profile as soon as I stop being a complete technophobe and get around to operating that scanner that's been vegetating under my bed for four months. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 17:47:05 EST From: AMeyersLD@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] Bogus Man, a barking dog, and a mondegreen In a message dated 2/21/0 4:36:07 PM, Arnie wrote: <> Iggy also had a great walkon on "Star Trek Deep Space Nine" in it's last season. (The episode where Quark's mother is kidnapped by the Dominion, for those who care...)Very deadpan, very funny. Andrew In Evanston. - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 23:07:16 -0000 From: "David Squires" Subject: [AVALON] Re: OFF TOPIC Hats avalon-digest V5 #65 On 18 Feb 00, at 16:06, Helene wrote: > J.O'B wrote: > > > > > Yes, I agree wholeheartedly! I especially like "Saturday Night." I recently > bought their CD Peace At Last, but was disappointed. May give it another try > soon though. Please do - it's a firm favourite here. I can recommend repeated plays on long car journeys as a way of uncovering its subtleties! "Go to bed / Go to sleep / With our ordinary lives /It's the same old same old scene..." David - -- David Squires Wimbotsham Norfolk UK - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 23:07:15 -0000 From: "David Squires" Subject: [AVALON] Re: APS Microscope [avalon-digest V5 #65] On 18 Feb 00, at 16:06, John the Kilted One wrote: > On the Ladytron whistle Test clip you can see during Phils power > chords at the end a view from the rear of the white Strat. It looks > as if there is KP on the rear. I asked Phil about this when I met > him in 1991 and he told me that it said Jimi Hendrix EXP and the KP > was the EXP part, He told me Eno bought this guitar off his > milkman. I have an interview from a guitar magazine in the 70's where PM tells this story. He also commented that "it was a crappy guitar" or words to that effect. ISTR he chose the Firebird because of its more robust tremolo arm, as he kept breaking the ones on Strats... I can probably find this if anyone's interested? David - -- David Squires Wimbotsham Norfolk UK - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 23:13:49 GMT From: "gareth mc ginley" Subject: [AVALON] Mondegreen no. 10000434 Bob Marley's "No Women No Cry" happened to come on the radio last year whilst I was racing up the motorway trying to get my old Grannie dearest to the airport on time. Just as the song was fading out my grandmother announced her appreciation in her croaky old voice - "Isn't that a great song, 'No women, no craic'". Well, how I didn't crash into the nearest ditch remains a mystery. Gareth ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 18:38:08 -0500 From: "Decophile" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Mondegreen no. 10000434 - -----Original Message----- From: gareth mc ginley To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Monday, February 21, 2000 6:17 PM Subject: [AVALON] Mondegreen no. 10000434 'No women, no craic'". Well, how I didn't crash into the nearest >ditch remains a mystery. Craic? You`ll have to explain this one to us yanks. Gene - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 00:13:33 -0000 From: "Robert Whiteford" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Love Strong Enough - Long Version I also have the excellent 12" version of IYLSE on vinyl but have never seen it on CD. Agree with the comment on Windswept instrumantal - one of his best ever pieces of music even without the beautiful lyrics. When B&G came out Ferry was saying that he didn't like his voice and that some tracks sounded good as instrumentals.......although I love his lyrics and voice you can see what he meant on that one. Rob The cherry is the Side 2 instrumental version of Windswept that may be better than the vocal version (which I love). I never saw these versions appear on CD however, and my vinyl is rather worn. Anyone??? Jim - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 00:08:42 -0000 From: "Robert Whiteford" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry Unique - LONG POST ALERT Re Gareths observations.... I often wonder why I like him quite so much. If I had to take 10 albums to a desert island I think I might well take 10 Ferry/Roxy ones. Some of it has to be his "stranger in your town" attitude to the whole business. He just doesn't belong in popular music, but is a pop music icon. He's shy but performs to thousands. He's contrary, have you seen the clip of him on GMTV with Anthea Turner? "You're a bit of a reluctant pop star aren't you?" Ferry "No I love the job I wouldn't do it otherwise". Right. And that's the point as well - it's A JOB for Ferry. That working class ethic - must work to earn a living. No wonder he gets furious with the Hooray Henry jibes - he's one of the hardest working pop stars around. Not much of the 5 year gaps have been because he wasn't trying. He seems always to have been conscious of the fact he was trading on his talent and maybe a little insecure because of that. And it all adds to his aura. Especially the very real sense of vulnerability around him. Is it just me or do you sometimes worry he'll just die on things like Jools Holland? OK he performed well but the sense of vulnerability is still there. I just sense that the last ounces of self belief were missing from Ferry until recently - which why I reckon he can rise from the ashes of Bete Noire to be a star again - at RFH he really seemed to believe in himself again. For those who saw the Mamouna tour you would be hard pushed to say that . I usually agree with you Gareth but find it hard with your comments on ATGB. Ferrys "unique style" is in the YPS acoustic version of the only face, and the likes of Where or When or IITMFL. The ATGB album brought back some genuine raw emotion to his records which was badly missing on Bete Noire ,Taxi and Mamouna. The best example is "The Only Face" - absolutely brilliant without the nonsense around the piano and that voice. ATGB corrects this and it's welcome in my view. I'd rather listen to Where or When than anything he's done since Windswept. When I heard he was doing an album of 30's covers I was gutted , but as usual he came up with the goods. As for the clothes & the style, it is typical of him to do something quite similar to others, but do it better with an individual twist. Another contradiction : he DOES dress for attention on occasion. Rob Gareth wrote > It's very hard to pinpoint one particular reason as to why BF stands out > from ever other musician in musical history(cut.....) The biggest disappointment of ATGB for me was that he seemed to be > attempting to prove his vocal abilities, whilst sacrificing the unique style > that he invariably brings to a record. > > Whilst on the point I'd also say that there's no harm at all in discussing > the way he dresses etc, because it's a perfect reflection on his musical > style. That sense of going against what society condones (e.g. white socks) > and still looking great. It's what he's all about. > > regards, > > Gareth. - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 00:17:54 -0000 From: "Robert Whiteford" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: OFF TOPIC Hats avalon-digest V5 #65 Sorry not to have snipped the text underneath but I'd advise any Ferry fan to give "The Blue Nile" a try. "There's a red car in the fountain - Tinsletown is in the rain " Rob - ----- Original Message ----- From: David Squires To: Sent: 21 February 2000 23:07 Subject: [AVALON] Re: OFF TOPIC Hats avalon-digest V5 #65 > On 18 Feb 00, at 16:06, Helene wrote: > > > J.O'B wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I agree wholeheartedly! I especially like "Saturday Night." I recently > > bought their CD Peace At Last, but was disappointed. May give it another try > > soon though. > > Please do - it's a firm favourite here. I can recommend repeated plays > on long car journeys as a way of uncovering its subtleties! > > "Go to bed / Go to sleep / With our ordinary lives /It's the same old > same old scene..." > > David > -- > David Squires > Wimbotsham > Norfolk > UK > > > > > -------------------- > To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail > majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 20:40:33 -0500 From: Heather Buch Subject: [AVALON] rock stars - --_uReach_com_26916734995118363327263xxx_ Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I got into a debate with my husband about the existence of rock stars. He says that term is meaningless, and there have always been only "musicians." I say no, there was definitely an era of "rock stars" although it was very short (pretty much just the 60's and 70's - 50's artists were "rock and rollers."). I think there are certain musicians that you could still call rock stars today - David Bowie, Steve Tyler, Pete Townsend, Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Paul McCartney, Elton John, to name a few. They came from the right era (which I shall call the "rawk" era, after the 50's but before the Sex Pistols), they iconified the rebellion of rock-and-roll, and earned international renown for it, even if they are or were not liked by everyone. I'm just wondering, what do people think of "rock stars"? Do they exist? Is Bryan one? Or was he? (I personally don't think so, although he came from that era and was a rocker. Still, he belongs to another category). Ciao, Heather ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number - Free Free voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag - --_uReach_com_26916734995118363327263xxx_-- - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 15:12:27 -0500 From: Noam Bronstein Subject: Re: [AVALON] Songs on Viva It truly is a wonder Viva! sounds like shit, considering the cast of engineers who get credit on it. But I agree it does. I've accepted it as a 'grunge' album, if you play it loud enough, you can enjoy it (maybe that's the sound they were going for??). My latest attempt to get a better sounding copy led me to buy a Greek import with low stamper numbers in the dead wax - indicating a first or second pressing. That one sounds like crap too. The likely reason is just the horrible production values on most 70's releases. This is well documented and it will forever be an embarassment (I hope) to the recording industry, after the sonic delights that labels like Decca and Mercury were able to achieve with so many jazz and classical releases in the late 50s and throughout the 60s. As to Phil's tapes, I'd venture a guess that the label would have had some big issues with ownership rights on those? Even if the relationship was cozy... corporate lawyers don't go for stuff like that. I believe that the decision to undersell Roxy was a terrible one in hindsight. Those other artists (<-?) Gene mentioned sold their millions but really didn't have any staying power. RM by comparison had another ten or fifteen years of creative juice still left in them.. anyway, why worry now, it's probably better off this way. Noam Decophile wrote: > >Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 22:42:27 +0100 > >From: Kicki Gustafsson > >Subject: [AVALON] Songs on Viva > > > >Someone recently wrote about the songs on Viva and suggested that Phil > >Manzanera chose them. > >Apparently that's true. > >The selection was the best of a not very good bunch of stuff they had > >available at the time. > > > >/Kicki G > > > > Phil has stated that he has a copy of every show Roxy ever did. (He claims > some 350 now) By the time Viva was put together, I would guess he had at > least 100+ hours of material to work with. The material on the '75 Tour CD > we passed out last year has some of the best performances I`ve ever heard > with Mother of Pearl and Out Of The Blue absolute, kick-ass standouts. I > don`t even listen to the studio versions anymore. I think the material > chosen for Viva are excellent performances...all of them. > > But Viva is still a mystery to me. If memory serves me right, the Fool Proof > (takrl 1977) boot, which made up most of the '75 tour material, was released > before Viva because I remember being terribly disappointed with Viva after > hearing the boot first. But what`s really strange is that just before Out Of > The Blue, Ferry announces that, "......and if you`re lucky, you`ll be on our > next album which is a live album being recorded here tonight." (btw, the > bootlegger left this in as a kind of inside joke that was lost to most > people). Would Ferry make this statement in regards to Viva? I don`t think > so. > > In fact, Viva is nothing more than a legitimate bootleg itself and a badly > done one at that. Just 8 songs thrown together in no chronological order > with no liner notes or anything. And if that wern`t bad enough, the sound > quality was terrible compared to the bootleg material. > I remember recording both on tape to create a kind of complete show and when > you got to the Viva material, it was like someone suddenly threw a blanket > over the speakers. > > This in itself is no big surprise. Trade Mark of Quality (TMQ), who released > this bootleg on their The Amazing Kornyphone Record Label (TAKRL) were > hailed by fans, critics and the music media for their superior quality > releases.* But the sound quality of Viva was really bad. > > I think Roxy had plans for a complete concert release but for some reason, > the plug was pulled. I mean, this was 1976, the year of the "live" album. > Kiss, Frampton, Lynyrd Skynyrd, just to name a few, went from obscure > nobodies to rock icons over night with their live albums and live bootlegs > had reached their zenith and yet, Roxy got Viva. This was possibly Roxy`s > real chance to reach the American market and change their history but for > reasons we`ll never know or even understand, it just didn`t happen. Go > figure. > > Gene > *Both Rolling Stone and Esquire came just short at times of suggesting TMQ > releases over the record company`s release. This finally resulted in Warner > Bro. records threatening to pull all ads if they ever spoke of bootlegs > other than in a negative way again. Here we have Roxy`s parent co. > threatening these magazines for praising a quality product while putting out > shoddy crap like Viva. Why does the phrase "parasitic bottom-feeding > hypocrites" come to mind?) > > -------------------- > To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail > majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 21:45:54 -0500 From: "Heather James" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Songs on Viva Not all 70s albums "sounded like shit" - go back and take a listen to Life In the Air Age, the Be-bop Deluxe Live album of 1976-77 - and there are MANY other albums that back that up ... How about USA for King Crimson? My honest opinion is that the folks responsible for Viva! just put out a poor recording figuring we'd buy whatever they released - I could get more rude and say they were too stoned to care - but ... who knows their reason or their frame of mind ... But - it was impossible to get a clean pressing of "Blonde on Blonde", for instance - so Viva's not the only offender ...   -= )-(eather =- >------------------< hjames@thewebgal.com TheWebGal Biz Site: http://www.thewebgal.com/ Heather's Website: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/ My Roxy Music Archive: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ >------------------------------------------< - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Noam Bronstein Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 3:12 PM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Songs on Viva It truly is a wonder Viva! sounds like shit, considering the cast of engineers who get credit on it. But I agree it does. I've accepted it as a 'grunge' album, if you play it loud enough, you can enjoy it (maybe that's the sound they were going for??). My latest attempt to get a better sounding copy led me to buy a Greek import with low stamper numbers in the dead wax - indicating a first or second pressing. That one sounds like crap too. The likely reason is just the horrible production values on most 70's releases. This is well documented and it will forever be an embarassment (I hope) to the recording industry, after the sonic delights that labels like Decca and Mercury were able to achieve with so many jazz and classical releases in the late 50s and throughout the 60s. As to Phil's tapes, I'd venture a guess that the label would have had some big issues with ownership rights on those? Even if the relationship was cozy... corporate lawyers don't go for stuff like that. I believe that the decision to undersell Roxy was a terrible one in hindsight. Those other artists (<-?) Gene mentioned sold their millions but really didn't have any staying power. RM by comparison had another ten or fifteen years of creative juice still left in them.. anyway, why worry now, it's probably better off this way. Noam Decophile wrote: > >Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 22:42:27 +0100 > >From: Kicki Gustafsson > >Subject: [AVALON] Songs on Viva > > > >Someone recently wrote about the songs on Viva and suggested that Phil > >Manzanera chose them. > >Apparently that's true. > >The selection was the best of a not very good bunch of stuff they had > >available at the time. > > > >/Kicki G > > > > Phil has stated that he has a copy of every show Roxy ever did. (He claims > some 350 now) By the time Viva was put together, I would guess he had at > least 100+ hours of material to work with. The material on the '75 Tour CD > we passed out last year has some of the best performances I`ve ever heard > with Mother of Pearl and Out Of The Blue absolute, kick-ass standouts. I > don`t even listen to the studio versions anymore. I think the material > chosen for Viva are excellent performances...all of them. > > But Viva is still a mystery to me. If memory serves me right, the Fool Proof > (takrl 1977) boot, which made up most of the '75 tour material, was released > before Viva because I remember being terribly disappointed with Viva after > hearing the boot first. But what`s really strange is that just before Out Of > The Blue, Ferry announces that, "......and if you`re lucky, you`ll be on our > next album which is a live album being recorded here tonight." (btw, the > bootlegger left this in as a kind of inside joke that was lost to most > people). Would Ferry make this statement in regards to Viva? I don`t think > so. > > In fact, Viva is nothing more than a legitimate bootleg itself and a badly > done one at that. Just 8 songs thrown together in no chronological order > with no liner notes or anything. And if that wern`t bad enough, the sound > quality was terrible compared to the bootleg material. > I remember recording both on tape to create a kind of complete show and when > you got to the Viva material, it was like someone suddenly threw a blanket > over the speakers. > > This in itself is no big surprise. Trade Mark of Quality (TMQ), who released > this bootleg on their The Amazing Kornyphone Record Label (TAKRL) were > hailed by fans, critics and the music media for their superior quality > releases.* But the sound quality of Viva was really bad. > > I think Roxy had plans for a complete concert release but for some reason, > the plug was pulled. I mean, this was 1976, the year of the "live" album. > Kiss, Frampton, Lynyrd Skynyrd, just to name a few, went from obscure > nobodies to rock icons over night with their live albums and live bootlegs > had reached their zenith and yet, Roxy got Viva. This was possibly Roxy`s > real chance to reach the American market and change their history but for > reasons we`ll never know or even understand, it just didn`t happen. Go > figure. > > Gene > *Both Rolling Stone and Esquire came just short at times of suggesting TMQ > releases over the record company`s release. This finally resulted in Warner > Bro. records threatening to pull all ads if they ever spoke of bootlegs > other than in a negative way again. Here we have Roxy`s parent co. > threatening these magazines for praising a quality product while putting out > shoddy crap like Viva. Why does the phrase "parasitic bottom-feeding > hypocrites" come to mind?) > > -------------------- > To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail > majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V5 #69 *************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest