From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #60 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, February 16 2000 Volume 05 : Number 060 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] The Wizard of Av [Kicki Gustafsson ] Re: [AVALON] RE : Lyrics - and THE Roxy moment [Kicki Gustafsson ] [AVALON] Behind curtain [MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty)] [AVALON] Off subject [MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty)] Re: [AVALON] Re: Lookalikes ["mark shanahan" ] Re: [AVALON] Off subject [Noam Bronstein ] Re: [AVALON] Re: Lookalikes [Noam Bronstein ] [AVALON] darker side? [KRNCHSE@aol.com] [AVALON] American Pie [Kicki Gustafsson ] re: [AVALON] pay no attention to that man behind the curtain ["David Squi] Re: [AVALON] An act [Heather Buch ] Re: [AVALON] RE : McLaren [AMeyersLD@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] the van gogh in mr. ferry [Heather Buch ] [AVALON] Re: car in LITD [Helchat@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] The Great Pretender ["gareth mc ginley" ] Re: [AVALON] RE : McLaren ["gareth mc ginley" ] [AVALON] pay no attention to that man behind the curtain ["Grant Goggans"] Re: [AVALON] Curtains and men behind them ["Robert Whiteford" ] [AVALON] Re: The Great Pretender [Mark Sturdy ] [AVALON] Mother Of Pearl ["Chris Turner" ] RE: [AVALON] Off subject [Karen Roth ] RE: [AVALON] Re: car in LITD ["Heather James" ] [AVALON] Great moments (long post!) [Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Wizard of Av >David Byrne? Monkeyboy? No dear, Liberace. /Kicki G > ><< He's much more than a guy who wore funny outfits >and glitter and makeup and was ironic from time to time. >> > > > > > >-------------------- >To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail >majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon - ------------------------ Kicki Gustafsson, Östersunds-Posten 063-16 16 51 http://www.op.se http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (privat hemsida) - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 21:16:47 +0100 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE : Lyrics - and THE Roxy moment Crystal - was this really meant for the list or for Jan privatly? Just curious... /Kicki G >Welcome, Jan Cees! > >I look forward to talking with you. Could it be that you were actually >acknowledged by THE MAN himself? Be still, my heart! A cool anecdote. > >I think you'll like the list. Much lively conversation. Witty and >intellegent personas. And some very knowledgeable fans. If, like me, >you're used to typing on a word processor that points out spelling mistakes, >you may want to keep a dictionary on hand. The "spelling police" are always >on guard. :-) >(They don't seem to catch comma splices, fragments, fused sentences, or >dangling modifiers, though. ) > >I look forward to reading your messages-- > >Crystal - ------------------------ Kicki Gustafsson, Östersunds-Posten 063-16 16 51 http://www.op.se http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (privat hemsida) - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 12:29:49 PST From: "mark shanahan" Subject: [AVALON] the van gogh in mr. ferry colleen writes: >In fact, I would go so far as to say that comments like Heather's > > Interesting question. I say no. The theatricality of his > glitter-rock >roots and his occasional onstage smirk contradict all > illusions of a >dark, tormented soul. It's an act. He's too > well-adjusted to be goth! >both miss the mark and underestimate his peculiar talent. To see Ferry >only as some "wink, wink, nudge, nudge" "post-modern" phony with >"theatricality" obscures his very real sense of, well, and rawness and I >[snip] i'd have to agree; there's much more to ferry than that. how many of us would be on this list if ferry was just a good looking *guy* who knew a *lot* about clothes and how to look good in them - even ironically? the music is the bottom line and ... i can't help but feel, for example, that there's something of ferry himself in a piece like 'the only face'. that's not to say ferry comes home after a hard day at the studio ... and, like some automaton, can't relate to his family and then feels the overwhelming need to book a flight to havana to "be alone". but ... it's not "an act" to be sure ... try 'chance meeting', 'bittersweet' ... >[snip] But I do not think it's because he's pining away for Jerry >Hall. I mean, that's just an insult to him and to his family and to his >wife. He's 50-whatever years old. I can't imagine--and I certainly don't >want to do so--that he's STILL mooning over her. It's not like he's so >emotionally retarded that he is living in a past that's what 20? 30? years >old. [snip] if the above were true, it would certainly make *me* less embarrassed for being on this list. however, then i would just have to re-evaluate my fan-artiste relationship with mr. ferry. for god, king & country's sake, surely he's gotten over it by now. but ... if he cuts off his ear tomorrow, then we'll all know *for sure* ... i don't know ... maybe he just generally feels forlorn for not having gone through ENOUGH of the pearls & cashmere scenarios in his formative years ... peaces/ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:35:01 -0600 (CST) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty) Subject: [AVALON] Re: Lookalikes I get to see (somewhat) Bryan everyday at wk. Three yrs ago this goodlooking man came to work at our firm. I thought to myself ,"I've seen him before" Bong -- a light went off. "He looks like Ferry, sharp dresser ,just oozing with charisma." After we became friends I told him who he reminded my co-worker & I of. He'd never heard of him so we brought Bryans pic. to show him. Hes a twin if I ever saw one . Hair color ,the way its cut & combed. When he comes in with His cream colored suit .All us gals just drool. Needless to say we've become very good friends..M.Marlana K.............................. - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:42:58 -0600 From: "Will Frechette" Subject: Re: [AVALON] pay no attention to that man behind the curtain Mooning over her? Have you heard her speak? Yeesh! Gives me the freakin' willies (sorry about the pun) I think you are right on with this one though Colleen. Will - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colleen Matan" But I do not think it's because he's pining away for Jerry > Hall. I mean, that's just an insult to him and to his family and to his > wife. He's 50-whatever years old. I can't imagine--and I certainly don't > want to do so--that he's STILL mooning over her. It's not like he's so > emotionally retarded that he is living in a past that's what 20? 30? years > old. There are a million other reasons why Mr. Ferry could be able to so > successfully mine such a resonant vein of melancholy, you know. > > I also continue to laugh out loud at the idea that the sulty song and/or > album Boys and Girls is about Ferry's father. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. That > kills me every time. Keep 'em coming, kids. > > Colleen - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:44:04 -0600 (CST) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty) Subject: [AVALON] RE: Salute to Kicki Thats great Kicki, You asked her first. Was this meant to be? Now for what comes next . The show goes on . M.Marlana K................... - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 20:48:04 -0000 From: "David Squires" Subject: [AVALON] A wee bit OT On 16 Feb 00, at 11:16, Ivor Canning wrote: > n.p. Henry Cow - 'Concerts' That's good to see. A favourite of mine, especially sides 1 and 2. I well remember seeing Henri Vache (as they were known in France) in Nottingham in 1977... No, can't think of a Roxy connection (don't tell me Fred Frith has played sessions for Ferry!) David - -- David Squires Wimbotsham Norfolk UK - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:49:46 -0600 (CST) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty) Subject: [AVALON] Behind curtain Now Will, Don't make fun of southern accents. After all Southern women are known for their beauty...M.Marlana K. - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:08:46 -0600 (CST) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty) Subject: [AVALON] Off subject I'm home sick today, never posted this much before.I feel so bad have to have my mind elsewhere in order to feel better. Did anyone happen to see "Who wants to marry a Multimillionare?" 50 women were narrowed down to 5. Questions were asked then the Multim. chose his bride & was married on tv Curious , would any of you ladies marry sight unseen a Multimillionare. ? She could have refused if she wanted to. He was not bad, I had seen this man before & how he had gotten his fortune thru good investments & real estate He makes his home in Calif. & homes in other part of the country. Its going to be done again Who would do this. Curious mind wants to know....M. Marlana K.................................................... - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:21:21 PST From: "mark shanahan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Lookalikes mary k. writes: >Bong -- a light went off. i had that happen to me too, back when i was using bongs ... thank god i found this list and all you nice people ... well, like e-man and a few others ... PHS/ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:28:36 -0800 (PST) From: Noam Bronstein Subject: Re: [AVALON] Off subject I thought it over but in the end, he was too ugly. He had a nice bulge in the *back* of his pants though, with that fat wallet. Noamee - --- Mary Korfanty wrote: would any of you ladies marry sight unseen a Multimillionare. ? M. Marlana K.................................................... ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:30:39 -0800 (PST) From: Noam Bronstein Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Lookalikes Right on Cheech! hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha - --- mark shanahan wrote: > i had that happen to me too, back when i was using bongs ... thank > god i > PHS/ms > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > -------------------- > To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail > majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:32:34 EST From: KRNCHSE@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] darker side? BF has been titled a "Love God,Darling of the Deb's,social climber "etc etc.IMHO he was born into a society that has definite social/cultural boundaries,where many people are prepared to "pidgeon hole"you and make an opinion as soon as the first perfumed vowel leaves your lips.As an artist he has claimed to have overcome this,and as such become "classless".Nevertheless,this hasn't stopped him from saying that he felt he never really fit in anywhere? [I do hope that being a husband and father has changed this ?]He has also mentioned that he has probably hit the bottle rather hard on occasion.We all have our demons.I am sure he writes about what he knows,luckily for us-and bettr than his peers. As far as his live performances vs recorded material goes,I believe that there are so many variables involved to really honestly compare,different animals.As with going to a gallery,In a live performance,you the audience must be willing to give something of yourself to be fully rewarded?I know WE are.,but many are not.I think he will be remembered for the white tux.That imagery was just too strong. DM sorry for this,but i,m drunk today....and seldom sober. - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 22:37:28 +0100 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: [AVALON] American Pie About "American Pie": the phrase "drove my Chevy to the Levy" refers to a bar called 'The Levy' (which explains why "the Levy was dry", it had run out of beer) and not the Levee which is the description for the raised banks along the Mississippi and its tributaries. /Kicki G - knows things - ------------------------ Kicki Gustafsson, Östersunds-Posten 063-16 16 51 http://www.op.se http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (privat hemsida) - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 21:44:05 -0000 From: "David Squires" Subject: re: [AVALON] pay no attention to that man behind the curtain On 16 Feb 00, at 15:13, Colleen Matan wrote: > To see Ferry only as some "wink, wink, nudge, nudge" "post-modern" > phony with "theatricality" obscures his very real sense of, well, > and rawness and I can't even think of the word I want to use here, > and is a tremendous pity. Might I suggest visceral? David - -- David Squires Wimbotsham Norfolk UK - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:18:15 -0500 From: Heather Buch Subject: Re: [AVALON] An act - --_uReach_com_26916734995073949513425xxx_ Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marlana, Please don't misinterpret what I am saying, and when you refer to my words, please quote them in full so that they are not taken out of context. I was handing Bryan the highest compliment when I said: >Interesting question. I say no. The theatricality of his >glitter-rock roots and his occasional onstage smirk contradict >all illusions of a dark, tormented soul. It's an act. He's too >well-adjusted to be goth! I think his ability to "act" is a credit to his talent as a performer and an artist. A great artist is able to create not only from autobiographical experiences, but from a sense of empathy with other human experiences that may be removed from his own. I think that this ability is part of what makes Ferry great. He is not a "dark" or "morose" person (this is the impression I get from the interviews, and I mean it as a compliment to him since I often consider moroseness self-indulgent), yet he is able to assume that persona at times. This proves he is a empathetic and versatile artist, and I *like* that. But even if I didn't, I'd say so! Just because an artist is interesting enough to me to cause me to join a mailing list doesn't mean he is above my criticism. Heather - ---- On Wed, 16 Feb 2000, MarlanaK@webtv.net (MarlanaK@webtv.net) wrote: > Heather --- An ACT? Have you ever seen him in Concert? You ACT! as if > you don't like our man of this fan club. M.Marlana K............. > > > > > > -------------------- > To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail > majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number - Free Free voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag - --_uReach_com_26916734995073949513425xxx_-- - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:20:42 EST From: AMeyersLD@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE : McLaren In a message dated 2/16/0 10:44:22 AM, reecey wrote: <> Don't forget Rod Stewart, especially after what he did to that Tom Waits tune.... Actually on another list I am on there was the thread "What favourite tune would we sacrifice to Rod Stweart to make our hero a millionaire?" I hope Bryan is already rich and we can be spared this prospect... Andrew in Evanston - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:22:34 -0500 From: Heather Buch Subject: Re: [AVALON] the van gogh in mr. ferry - --_uReach_com_26916734995073975414723xxx_ Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Colleen and Mark, Please see my reply to Marlena K's message entitled "AN ACT" kiss kiss, Heather ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number - Free Free voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag - ---- On Wed, 16 Feb 2000, mark shanahan (m_shanahan@hotmail.com) wrote: > > colleen writes: > > >In fact, I would go so far as to say that comments like Heather's > > > > Interesting question. I say no. The theatricality of his > > glitter-rock > >roots and his occasional onstage smirk contradict all > illusions of a > >dark, tormented soul. It's an act. He's too > well-adjusted to be goth! > > >both miss the mark and underestimate his peculiar talent. To see Ferry > > >only as some "wink, wink, nudge, nudge" "post-modern" phony with > >"theatricality" obscures his very real sense of, well, and rawness and > I > >[snip] > > i'd have to agree; there's much more to ferry than that. how many of us > > would be on this list if ferry was just a good looking *guy* who knew a > *lot* about clothes and how to look good in them - even ironically? the > - --_uReach_com_26916734995073975414723xxx_-- - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:27:24 EST From: Helchat@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Re: car in LITD Triumph motorcycles? The only Triumph automobiles I have seen here in the US were tinny little things (TR7s). What kind of vehicle? What kind of engine? Thanks. Helene (who has two Triumph motorcycles in her garage) - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:28:03 PST From: "gareth mc ginley" Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Great Pretender Crystal Woods wrote: >To me, Ferry is a poet. And he does with his lyrics the same thing many >poets do: wrap a raw, intensely personal emotion in layers of words that >could apply to anyone who reads it, making it more universal and less >blatantly personal. So some of the song's lyrics are probably not >autobiographical, but the core emotions are. Disentangling the core from >the wrapping, I think, would be impossible for anyone, save Ferry himself, >to do. > I think Ferry's lyrics have developed very much in the same way as the music: from being right "in your face" (Roxy, including F&B and Avalon) to being extremely subtle (solo 1985-94). On the surface his lyrics have a universal theme but underneath they're still very personal. As a result we have been left guessing a lot as to the personal relevance in his songs over the last 15 years. I very much like Martin's idea of the title track on B&G being about Ferry's father. The only thing is that you could probably make a case for every song on B&G being about Fred Ferry e.g. "Better keep on moving or I'll die" - DSTD "When love's gone there's no one, A wasteland, a ghetto" - Wasteland "The Chosen One" - TCO "There is no way to the great unknown" - Valentine In a way though that makes it even more interesting. The possibilities cannot be ignored. The John Peel reference in "Rescue Me" is very imaginative also if Ferry did indeed intend it in the way that it seems. Somebody also mentioned a semi-hidden reference in The Right Stuff. Going by B&G, BN, and Mamouna he's still a great lyricist and possibly the only reason that he takes a lot longer these days is because writing in a subtle manner is a lot more difficult compared to writing about everything at face value. I'm sure it's true that Roxy will always be judged on another plain when compared to Ferry solo. That's no sin - Roxy were a very unique and brilliant band and are in no way overrated. But Ferry solo is highly underrated and Bahi hits the nail straight on the head when he mentions how frequently people fail to give albums like B&G the attention they require. You only have to read the music press reviews of the period 1985-94 to see that they were missing most of the best facets of that period. A shame really. Gareth ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:45:47 EST From: RODEISLRED@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Dark Shadows We're uh, talking about BRYAN FERRY, right??? - --red In a message dated 2/16/00 10:21:52 PM, hpropes@ureach.com writes: << He is not a "dark" or "morose" person (this is the impression I get from the interviews, and I mean it as a compliment to him since I often consider moroseness self-indulgent) >> - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:48:55 -0800 (PST) From: Noam Bronstein Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: car in LITD Triumph made some lovely convertibles, the TR-6 and prior to that the TR-4 I believe and TR-3. Nicest looking small convertible this side of an Alfa. The TR-7 and TR-8 (with the bigger motor) were ugly pieces of crap but they sold quite a few of them in the US. Noam - --- Helchat@aol.com wrote: > --TriTri> > > Triumph motorcycles? The only Triumph automobiles I have seen here > in the US > were tinny little things (TR7s). What kind of vehicle? What kind of > engine? > > Thanks. > > Helene (who has two Triumph motorcycles in her garage) > > > > > -------------------- > To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail > majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:50:44 PST From: "gareth mc ginley" Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE : McLaren Johnny Reece wrote: >Meanwhile, it must be Bryan Ferry for Mayor. Well they could probably dig up that much dirt on him that Fleet Street would become a quarry and Jeffrey Archer would grow a halo. As I said Bryan just has a very subtle way of doing things. That fool Archer should get some lessons off him. >I'm really enjoying myself at work today - I've been having a 'first up >against the musical wall when the revolution comes' type conversation with >a >few customers. So far, Celine Dion, Cher, Bryan Adams, Bon Jovi, Jim >Steinman, Tina Turner, and Michael Bolton are lined up, ready. Sounds a lot like "High Fidelity", which I read at your advice and enjoyed immensely. "About A Boy" is great too. Regards, Gareth ps - Avalonia was extremely enjoyable today - we're at risk of losing the "numbnuts" tag at this rate. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 18:01:04 EST From: "Grant Goggans" Subject: [AVALON] pay no attention to that man behind the curtain >Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:50:42 -0500 (EST) >From: Colleen Matan >Subject: [AVALON] pay no attention to that man behind the curtain > >On Tue, 15 Feb 2000 ecwoods@mindspring.com wrote: > > > When compared to more "traditional" love songs like "Endlesslove," >Ferry's > > "Is Your Love Strong Enough?" manages to get at the heart of the >experience > > of love--the sense of destiny, the steadfastness of the emotion--without > > having it disintegrate into cliche and greeting-card sentimentality. >Few > > other love songs I've ever heard can walk that line so deftly. > >Actually, and with all due respect, I think you are missing the point of >this song. It's not a song about "the sense of destiny" or "the >steadfastness of the emotion." It's a song about uncertainty--I mean, it >asks a question and the answer is not at all certain to come back as >"yes." "Is your love strong enough?" "Am I asking too much?" It's about >unrequited love, and I think those are among Ferry's very very best songs. If I could add one layer to yours, Colleen, I think the singer might actually be questioning the destiny. A very important relationship of mine recently and sadly ended, and "Is Your Love Strong Enough" became almost my personal soundtrack for its final month. I do believe that destiny brought my friend and I together, but when she began questioning her own feelings, it became apparent mine would always be the stronger. I felt that, not to sound too corny, her love wasn't strong enough to meet what I feel was destined to be. And once again, a pretty ordinary song finds new meaning when someone's heart gets broken. Just don't ask what Marcella Detroit's "Out of My Mind" does to me... - --Grant ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 22:35:35 -0000 From: "Robert Whiteford" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Curtains and men behind them Colleen wrote : > > both miss the mark and underestimate his peculiar talent. To see Ferry > only as some "wink, wink, nudge, nudge" "post-modern" phony with > "theatricality" obscures his very real sense of, well, and rawness and I > can't even think of the word I want to use here, and is a tremendous pity. > A crying shame, even. He's much more than a guy who wore funny outfits > and glitter and makeup and was ironic from time to time. I mean, that's > just--and only--the surface. There's something much more REAL than that > at work in his work. And if you just want to go on about how ironic he > was and how detached, &tc., naturally that's your choice. But I can't see > how looking at him in just one dimension can be fulfilling in any > meaningful way. But, to each his or her own world view. This is surely spot on. I don't think he's still pining for Jerry Hall but experiences make us what we are. Did he not say that you don't recover from wounds like that, you just learn to incorporate them in your personality. ? I think the tone may have been set far earlier than Jerry Hall. It depends whether you think Chance Meeting or Beauty Queen or Stricitly Confidential could have been written by an actor. I doubt it. > I also continue to laugh out loud at the idea that the sulty song and/or > album Boys and Girls is about Ferry's father. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. That > kills me every time. Keep 'em coming, kids. Why do you think so? His best songs , as you say, are about love lost. And that album was dedicated to his father. Ferry only called the LP B&G to draw attention the title track which he thought was great but uncommercial. Obviously the whole album isn't about him but why not B&G's? > -------------------- > To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail > majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:12:49 -0800 (PST) From: Noam Bronstein Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE : McLaren > In a message dated 2/16/0 10:44:22 AM, reecey wrote: > 'first up against the musical wall when the revolution comes' type Celine Dion, Cher, Bryan Adams, Bon Jovi, Jim Steinman, Tina Turner, and Michael Bolton are lined up, ready. Good choices. Let's not forget Mariah Carey and Kenny G. Not to mention Whitney Houston, David Foster and Courtney Love. I'd throw Johnny Halliday in too (I'd never even heard of him 'til I had to watch him for most of 9 hrs on an Air France flight). Thanks, Noam ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:14:48 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) From: Mark Sturdy Subject: [AVALON] Re: The Great Pretender Red wrote: > Yeah, 'The Only Face,' 'Your Painted Smile,' 'Running Wild,' 'Just Another > High,' 'Same Old Scene,' 'More Than This,' 'Chance Meeting,' 'Help Me,' > 'Don't Want To Know,' all Las Vegas schmaltz. An act. Right. And almost exclusively post-1979 songs, interestingly. Listening to Flesh & Blood for the first time in ages the other day, it occurred to me that that seems to be the last album where Bryan was writing what (on one level at least) could be seen as fun, trashy pop songs. That's not to denigrate the value of tracks like Over You, Flesh & Blood etc, but (in common with stuff stretching through Angel Eyes and Sign of the Times right back to VP, Strand and Street Life) there's a sense of fun, self-contained joy almost, there that's been almost absent from his work since. With each passing album, there's been (IMO) an increasing emphasis on the dark, brooding, lonely, melancholy atmospheric pieces - of course there's always been a hint of that there, right from the early Roxy stuff, but it seems to have become all-pervading. What I wonder about is what he's really trying to say... I used to think there was less irony, less guardedness on his more recent works compared to the early days, but has he just become more subtle? A lot of the early tracks were playing around with cliches lyrically - maybe that's continued on an increasingly sophisticated level. And there's definitely humour there in places - the robotic, hard-as-nails female voice responding to Ferry's agonising on Don't Want to Know is just great. Incidentally, does anyone else think Flesh & Blood contains Bryan's best-ever vocal performances? It's not my favourite album, but his voice is just about flawless throughout. - -- Mark "Think like a mountain - grow to the top." - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:18:38 -0000 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: [AVALON] Mother Of Pearl Bryan Ferry's new version of Mother of Pearl will appear on the soundtrack of new file 'Ordinary Decent Criminal' released next month. It actually exists! Regards Chris - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:31:23 -0900 From: Karen Roth Subject: RE: [AVALON] Off subject Oh Noamee, thank you for allowing me to use (thanks to you) my new favorite phrase again: here goes: Noam, are you having homo-erotic issues again?? I only caught part of this show last night. I changed the channel every time my young daughter walked in the room. I would like to start taking wagers on how long this marriage made in hell will last. "How to Divorce a Millionaire and take all his Money" will be showing in a few months!! I hope you are feeling better Mary. Being sick is no fun at all. Lots of fluids. Karen I thought it over but in the end, he was too ugly. He had a nice bulge in the *back* of his pants though, with that fat wallet. Noamee --- Mary Korfanty wrote: would any of you ladies marry sight unseen a Multimillionare. ? M. Marlana K.................................................... ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 18:29:25 -0500 From: "Heather James" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: car in LITD You never heard the V-8 charms of the TR-8 (V8 sibling to the TR-7s), or the Triumph Stag then, I take it - they were a far cry from the Triumph Spitfire or TR-6 more commonly known in the US? ... Yes, most of my experience is of the two wheeled Triumphs - I had a Trophy 500 for a few years, and later a TR7-RV (Tiger 750) and my brother had a 750 triple a few years later ... but - those days are gone ... But I'll agree with a previous message - it does sound more like a Ferrari-esque to me as well ...   -= )-(eather =- >------------------< hjames@thewebgal.com >------------------------------------------< - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Helchat@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 5:27 PM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Re: car in LITD Triumph motorcycles? The only Triumph automobiles I have seen here in the US were tinny little things (TR7s). What kind of vehicle? What kind of engine? Thanks. Helene (who has two Triumph motorcycles in her garage) - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 00:33:37 +0100 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: [AVALON] Great moments (long post!) Ok, my greatest Roxy/Ferry-moments, in no particular order: "Pyjamarama" live (Viva!), the intro. When I started to cry when Ferry came on stage 1979. I was very embarrased when it happened, and it only lasted for like 15 seconds, but these days I think it was very sweet. To think that I was so overcome with emotion! "Let's stick together" - I recorded it from the radio on Aug 5, 1976. I remember exactly how I felt when I heard it, that incredible voice...magic. I used to listen to it again and again and again. The last phrase Ferry sings on "These Foolish Things", when his voice almost breaks: "Oh how the ghost of you clings, these foolish things, remind me of you, _just you_" The crescendo in "Psalm" - "A mountain so high..." and the gradual build up of the Welsh choir. The whole of "Mother of pearl", but especially these phrases: "If you're looking for love In a looking glass world It's pretty hard to find" "I've been looking for something I always wanted But was never mine But now I've seen that something Just out of reach - glowing - Very Holy grail" "You're highbrow, holy With lots of soul Melancholy shimmering Serpentine sleekness Was always my weakness Like a simple tune" Street Life from the Stockholm TV-concert, when Ferry just sings/says "Street Life" and snaps his fingers. "Sea Breezes" (Ferry's soloversion): "We've been running round in our present state Hoping help would come from above But even angels there make the same mistakes in love " "Do the strand" live (Viva!): "Had your fill of Quadrilles The Madison and cheap thrills Bored with the Beguine The Samba isn't your scene" "Dreamhome" - I prefer the live version on VIva, but all of the lyrics are sensational either on FYP or live. "Just like you": "You see - I know it sounds crazy But what can I do? I've fallen head over heels Over you" Listening to "Sunset" in earphones on a Swedish summer night, when it never gets dark... Almost everything on "Country Life", because it was the first Roxyrecord I bought, but especially "The Thrill of it all" ("The dizzy spin I'm in!"), "Out of the blue" ("If you were me, Would you walk out In style?") "Bittersweet" ("These vintage years! Lovers you consume, my friend As others their wine") "Casanova" ("Monumental A precious Jewel Or just a fool") "A Really Good Time" ("You know I don't talk much Except to myself 'Cos I've not much to say And there's nobody else Who's ready and willing And able to know me - I guess") and of course the big final at the end of "Praire Rose" "Love is the drug" : "Lumber up, limbo down The locked embrace, the stumble round I say go, she say yes Dim the lights, you can guess the rest" "End of the line": "If you ever miss me If I should cross your mind You know where to find me I'll be waiting at the end of the line" "Both ends burning": "Both ends burning while you're counting sheep Hell-- who can sleep in this heat this night?" "Oh yeah" - great memories of travelling all over Britain for a month in July 1980, hearing this everywhere. "there's a band playing on the radio and it's drowning the sound of my tears" "The in crowd" from ATAP, great style. "Smoke gets in your eye" - his best vocals ever!! God, he really was on top of the mountain there. ... ... ... I just read through what I had written - had to smile :-) /Kicki G - ------------------------ Kicki Gustafsson, Östersunds-Posten 063-16 16 51 http://www.op.se http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (privat hemsida) - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V5 #60 *************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest