From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #59 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, February 16 2000 Volume 05 : Number 059 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Magical Moments...warning, *extremely* long dull post alert...! ["Ivor Canning" ] Re: Re: [AVALON] lyrics [Noam Bronstein ] [AVALON] Re Lyrics & the Man [MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty)] [AVALON] An act [MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty)] Re: [AVALON] off-off-off-off-off topic (ER) [Avalon887@aol.com] [AVALON] Is Your Brain Wet Enough? [RODEISLRED@aol.com] [AVALON] The Great Pretender [RODEISLRED@aol.com] RE: [AVALON] Don't blame Neil - Boys and Girls ["Ujvary, Richard A." ] RE: [AVALON] Don't blame Neil - Boys and Girls ["Ujvary, Richard A." ] Re: [AVALON] BACK ["Will Frechette" ] RE: [AVALON] Is Your Brain Wet Enough? [Karen Roth ] Re: [AVALON] Don't blame Neil - long post alert ! ["Ivor Canning" ] Re: [AVALON] car in LITD [KRNCHSE@aol.com] RE: [AVALON] Is Your Brain Wet Enough? [Kicki Gustafsson ] Re: [AVALON] The Great Pretender [ecwoods@mindspring.com] Re: [AVALON] lyrics, synchronicity (sting-free zone), publishedlyrics ["I] Re: [AVALON] Is Your Brain Wet Enough? [ecwoods@mindspring.com] Re: [AVALON] APS [ecwoods@mindspring.com] [AVALON] pay no attention to that man behind the curtain [Colleen Matan <] [AVALON] The Wizard of Av [RODEISLRED@aol.com] RE: [AVALON] Don't blame Neil - Boys and Girls [Noam Bronstein ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:10:10 -0000 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Magical Moments...warning, *extremely* long dull post alert...! Johnny Reece wrote: >Meanwhile, Ive, something you mentioned briefly to me in > the Bar at the RFH Gig - weren't you at El Manzo's Studio in recent times ? > Do tell. We need to know. Reecey... Actually, it wasn't recent (1986) but yes, I did go to Gallery Studios (when it was in Chertsey) to meet Phil Manzanera after I sent him a demo tape of my 'band'. He was kind enough to invite the two of us down for a chat and was the perfect host. To begin at the beginning: Back in 1985, in a fit of creative perspiration, my friend ('G') and I wrote and recorded four songs in some of the most primitive conditions known to man (actually the spare bedroom in a house he and his wife had near Heathrow). I decided we should send the tape to various musicians we liked, eventually settling on Phil Manzanera, Bill Nelson and Brian Eno. After numerous phone calls, I got contact addresses for all of them and posted out the cassettes. We settled down for a long wait. One week later a small note fell through the letter box, written on a grey compliments slip from Gallery Studios (I have it in front of me as I write). It read 'I really enjoyed the tape, thought it was very good. Let us know your phone number and we'll get in touch. Regards, Phil Manzanera.' Well, I couldn't speak (or breathe properly) for about half an hour and I didn't lose the glazed look for at least a week. G was pretty excited too, of course, but he wasn't that keen on Roxy, let alone being a long-term obsessive like me. Well, you can imagine... So, we wrote back with our phone numbers. And waited. Puzzled, we wrote another couple of songs and sent those off. And waited. Eventually (by now, early 1986), I rang the studio and asked if our letter or second tape had got through. 'One moment' said the receptionist 'I'll put you through to someone'. Almost immediately a man's voice came on, 'Ivor, hello...I was thinking about you guys before Christmas, saying we should get you down here for a chat'. What embarrasses me to this day is that I actually said 'Sorry, who is this ?' It was, of course the Man himself, and we arranged an evening to go over to Gallery Studios. Well, come the day, we rang from the station (as per instructions) and PM said he would send someone to pick us up. We were a bit taken aback when he turned up *himself* in his BMW. The rest of the evening is a bit of a blur, of which it seems only fragments remain. I remember being ushered into the studio control room while Phil went to tidy up the office. James Wraith was recording some vocals, so we sat down on the leather bench next to...Andy Mackay ! We said hello and chatted for a while; he obviously knew who we were because he commented that he hadn't listened to the tape himself but said that Phil had seemed pretty excited about it. As I looked to my right, I could see a stack of guitars on stands, and there in the middle was THE GUITAR (the fabled red Gibson Reverse Firebird VII) almost within reach. I felt an overwhelming desire to reach over and pick it up... We were only saved from certain embarrassment when Phil came back and took us to his inner sanctum, bedecked with gold and platinum awards for various albums and with a record collection that put mine to shame. We sat down and chatted for what seemed like ages. Phil was very complimentary about the tapes (which were playing while we talked) and our musicianship (considerably more than we deserved, IMO). He gave us some advice about this and that. I remember him saying our music reminded him of Soft Machine (frankly, I don't hear it myself, but it was an *extraordinarily* generous thing for him to say). The upshot of all this was that he was prepared to let us have (for free) the full use of Gallery Studios for a day to do a professional multi-track demo ! Well, I was an incoherent babbling idiot by this time...I remember occasionally calming down and forgetting who this man was, then looking up to see all these awards presented 'to Phil Manzanera'. So, completely giddy by now, we went back to the studio control room; James W had gone, but Andy was still there. Phil played us back some of the songs they were currently working on, asking *us* for *our* opinion !!!! I don't remember much about it except that it struck me as much better than the first Explorers album, and I seem to recall we suggested adding some textures and a middle eight to one of the songs. Luckily, they seemed pleased with that, as if they had had the same idea anyway. To round the evening off, Andy took us back to the station in his white (Jaguar ? Daimler ?) with leather upholstery and stylish wooden fascia. So, what of the demo session ?? Well, it didn't happen, of course. We wrote some more (IMO, better) songs in order to find THE song that we should demo, but for various reasons the band split up. I still make a noise (on my own) and recently G and I met up again, but I don't imagine for one moment the invitation still stands !! Still, memories eh ? To anyone who's made it this far - apologies for the drivelling ramble and blame Reecey - he did ask ! Regards, Ivor. - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:23:59 +0100 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] lyrics, synchronicity (sting-free zone), published lyrics ('The Right Stuff') and 'Hey >there just look over your shoulder' ('MoP') >'Tara' (instrumental) and 'ta-ra' ('For Your Pleasure' - no, only joking >!!!) You forgot Ferry junior, Tara. /Kicki G - ------------------------ Kicki Gustafsson, Östersunds-Posten 063-16 16 51 http://www.op.se http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (privat hemsida) - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:25:06 -0500 From: Heather Buch Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] lyrics - --_uReach_com_26916734995071830610144xxx_ Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stop stealing my lines! :-) Heather ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number - Free Free voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag - ---- On Wed, 16 Feb 2000, Noam Bronstein (LoJoe@rocketmail.com) wrote: > > eh? > > > --- Heather Buch wrote: > > The theatricality of his glitter-rock roots and his occasional onstage > smirk contradict all illusions of a dark, tormented soul. It's an act. > > > Heather > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > > > > -------------------- > To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail > majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > - --_uReach_com_26916734995071830610144xxx_-- - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 08:34:03 -0800 (PST) From: Noam Bronstein Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] lyrics You really think it's _all_ an act?? I'm stunned. - --- Heather Buch wrote: > Stop stealing my lines! :-) > > Heather > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:02:19 -0600 (CST) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty) Subject: [AVALON] Re Lyrics & the Man I'm in agreement with Noam. In (seeing) B.F. do what he does best( Concerts ). I believe he gets much more reward & enjoyment from his audience than in a Studio. This is truly where he shines ON STAGE! I took this couple with me to a F. concert. the only # that this guy had heard was Avalon & Slave to Love. He came away hooked line & sinker on Ferry. WHY? He saw the man doing what he does ENTERTAIN! Now grant you we've seen a lot of numerious Concerts as we are bombarded with all kinds in this big city of ours. But the fact of the matter was Ferry put on a show , he was a showman & my friends walked out of there saying that was the best Concert they"d ever seen. Thus Ferrys ability to control & put an audience in the palm of his hand. When an artist does that & you don't want it to end.that is someone who loves to perform. By the way we paid $50.00 & he played 2 1/2 hrs. We came away all saying we'd pay $150. to see him again. I believe Bryan to have had a big love in his life that didn't work out & this is how he can express it . Think about it. We've all had some kind of tragdy in our lifes at one time or other. Either a love no more or even death. M.Marlana K........ - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:09:02 -0600 (CST) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty) Subject: [AVALON] An act Heather --- An ACT? Have you ever seen him in Concert? You ACT! as if you don't like our man of this fan club. M.Marlana K............. - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 12:10:28 EST From: Avalon887@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] off-off-off-off-off topic (ER) He is definitely up there with BF... has that same sex appeal... ER has been good this season... watch it tonight if you can... Dr. Carter & Lucy weren't doing so well at the end of last week's episode.... eileen in Queens - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 12:18:24 EST From: RODEISLRED@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Is Your Brain Wet Enough? 'Is Your Love Strong Enough'???? Are you KIDDING??? One of the ABSOLUTE GREATEST things Ferry EVER recorded. - --Red Martin wrote: >This pompous dirge, along with Dance With >Life and Is Your Love Strong Enough, blah, blah, pashima, blah. - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 12:23:20 EST From: RODEISLRED@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] The Great Pretender Yeah, 'The Only Face,' 'Your Painted Smile,' 'Running Wild,' 'Just Another High,' 'Same Old Scene,' 'More Than This,' 'Chance Meeting,' 'Help Me,' 'Don't Want To Know,' all Las Vegas schmaltz. An act. Right. - --Red - --- Heather Buch wrote: The theatricality of his glitter-rock roots and his occasional onstage smirk contradict all illusions of a dark, tormented soul. It's an act. - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 12:40:53 -0500 From: "Ujvary, Richard A." Subject: RE: [AVALON] Don't blame Neil - Boys and Girls I don't think he'll be remembered for Boys & Girls, personally. Noam - --- "Ujvary, Richard A." wrote: Perhaps he wants to can the value of "live" (on it's many levels) and bring it into the studio later on at this point. Hope he has something to say though because I wouldn't like to see a great Roxy/Ferry ouvre windup with a lousy "reunion" album. Rich > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 12:42:56 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Is Your Brain Wet Enough? On Wed, 16 Feb 2000 RODEISLRED@aol.com wrote: > 'Is Your Love Strong Enough'???? Are you KIDDING??? One of the ABSOLUTE > GREATEST things Ferry EVER recorded. > Martin wrote: > >This pompous dirge, along with Dance With > >Life and Is Your Love Strong Enough, blah, blah, pashima, blah. I know it's not very sophisticated to add a "me too", but "me too." Even reading the lyrics embedded in that overheated fan fiction that Bahi posted the link to sent me into orbit. Truly one of the most romantic songs EVER that Mr. Ferry has interpreted for us. Does it get much more straightforward than this: Just one beat of your heart and stranger than fantasy I knew from the start It had to be the place for me Someone that I would die for There´s no way I could ever leave In fact, I must go excuse myself for a moment and catch my breath. Carry on. Colleen - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:50:38 GMT From: "Tracy Connell" Subject: Re: [AVALON] All styles served here! Personally, I have never worn anything outrageous to a Ferry concert. Since you are asking this question, does this mean that you have? If so what and why? Tracy >From: Terry Lane >Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org >To: "'avalon@smoe.org'" >Subject: [AVALON] All styles served here! >Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 10:06:15 -0000 > >I dont know about you guys, but every time Ferry/Roxy planned a tour I >would >be wondering what Bryan would where on stage . What is the most outrageous >clothes you have worn to Ferry/Roxy concert ie: how many you have guys >turned up with the white tuxedo? and have any of you ladies turned out >like >the sirens 75 & 99 > >Terry > > > > > >-------------------- >To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail >majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 08:54:33 -0900 From: Karen Roth Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V5 #55 Okay here goes, e you obviously pissed off Irene about something and she dogged you pretty good about the Mickey Rourke look-a-like thing. When you read her post, did it make your face red? If so, then I think you and Chocolet and Vanilla could refer to yourselves as Neopolitan!! Sorry e, I couldn't resist, Karen -----Original Message----- From: eman96 [mailto:eman96@gte.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 12:18 AM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V5 #55 you guys spent a lot of time talking ferry/roxy yesterday. i was a little disapointed. could you please get back to complimenting or trashing me please? i have an ego, after all, you know... e -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 12:58:41 -0500 From: "Ujvary, Richard A." Subject: RE: [AVALON] Don't blame Neil - Boys and Girls I guess in the big scheme of things no but somewhere out there there's an individual who was hit right between the eyes with Stone Woman or Slave to Love....a reecey roxy moment if you will. Ultimately the connection we have to an artist is really on a "personal" basis (lookee at Ivor's almost fame as a budding rock star with Phil). I know I am so different from Mr Ferry and never the twain shall meet but at the same time I check off with him on similarities. I come from the same place so to speak and now travel through the world. His is an interesting lense. For me, Avalon was the high "spiritual" point and I think it just had to do with the fact that I had just returned from a tremendous trip to Ireland. (I liked it when I read that Ferry liked to retire and get away from the star thing by hunkering down in a small Irish village). I don't think I will ever come close to replicating some of the feelings I experienced while traveling trhough the old sod. Spiritual, man, spiritual. Avalon pulled it altogether. Rich I don't think he'll be remembered for Boys & Girls, personally. Noam ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 12:10:49 -0600 From: "Will Frechette" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V5 #55 Bite me! Loser!...just kidding. Will - ----- Original Message ----- From: "eman96" > you guys spent a lot of time talking ferry/roxy yesterday. > > i was a little disapointed. > > could you please get back to complimenting or trashing me please? > > i have an ego, after all, you know... > > > e - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 12:18:35 -0600 From: "Will Frechette" Subject: Re: [AVALON] BACK Should have made a clean sweep of it Fred. Will - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frederic DECLERCQ" > Hi every - one > > Here I'm back. With a new email adress, in a new company, a new car, a new > phone number, a new gsm number, ... the same girlfriend! > > > Ciao, > > Fred - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 09:15:35 -0900 From: Karen Roth Subject: RE: [AVALON] Is Your Brain Wet Enough? I agree with Colleen that "is Your Love Strong enough" is a fabulous song all around. Everyone wants to be loved that way sometime in their life. The video of Bryan singing this song with the footage from the forgettable movie "Legend" is also one of my favorites. I think that Bryan looked his best in this particular video. He had a little meat on his bones. (or maybe it was the space pants) He was tanned and his hair was perfect. A killer song, with words to melt by. Karen ( Strong Enough) - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 18:10:40 -0000 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Don't blame Neil - long post alert ! Bahi Para wrote: > Ivor wrote: > > >It's interesting however to see how many extra musicians it took to > >make 'Boys and Girls' sound like 'Avalon'. > > That's like saying "it's interesting how many extra keys it takes to > make a piano sound like a harpsichord." What makes the latter an > attempt to *emulate* the former? If the piano were described as > "Harpsichord II", it wouldn't make it an attempt at being the > harpsichord all over again. It lives in a different space. It shares > a few of the same ideas, adds more, and makes them work in an > entirely different way. Your metaphor is unfortunately flawed - the number of keys does not affect the sound of the instrument. However, I have to assume that Bryan paid for all those musicians on 'B&G' for a good reason, namely to affect the sound of the album. Your argument with my stance (as you point out later) is that you don't think 'Boys & Girls' sounds like 'Avalon'. I can certainly live with your opinion in a civilised society S8^) - it's a matter of personal taste - but my logic still stands. If *I* think 'B&G' sounds like 'Avalon' and I note that it has a cast of thousands on it, then I must assume it took all those people to make it sound the way it does. QED > Boys & Girls isn't as open an album as Avalon, I am in total agreement with you here. I generally find 'Boys & Girls' too relentless to listen to all the way through (maybe it's my age) S8^) Pax, Ivor. - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 12:25:29 -0600 From: "Will Frechette" Subject: Re: [AVALON] l mclaren for mayor! Spit on Malcolm Mclaren. Sacrilege. Will - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Galloway" > I actually saw Malcom Mclaren last Friday trying to hail a taxi on Charlotte Street, London W1. He looked like a lost little boy, but he lives just round the corner from there. I felt the urge to run up to him and spit on him, but there was a busy road between us. > > Give me Ken Livingstone any day!!! > > I appreciate your effort in typing that out, even if no one else does. > > SimonG > - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:27:47 EST From: KRNCHSE@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] car in LITD It was about 6.10 am.,Paris,July '74.The birds hadn't started singing yet,and the warm glow of the summer morning sun was just begining to rise.It was only a few steps from the concierge of The Lancaster to his awaiting car.He checked the hour (on the vintage Rolex,he had purchased earlier that week)and glanced back at the open window from the hotel room he had just departed,the scent of floris lingering on.The car door was opened,(a midnight blue Ferrari)and he slid into the taut,tan leather upholstered seat.The throaty engine growled,he bit his lip and gently coaxed the accelerator pulling the trigger with a chocolate brown suede Pinet loafer...... Oh sorry!....Yeah,I would say it was certainly a Ferrari.Definitely not a Jag,-we would have heard the door squeak in the intro ! DM - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 19:29:09 +0100 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: RE: [AVALON] Is Your Brain Wet Enough? >I agree with Colleen that "is Your Love Strong enough" is a fabulous song >all around. Everyone wants to be loved that way sometime in their life. The >video of Bryan singing this song with the footage from the forgettable movie >"Legend" is also one of my favorites. I think that Bryan looked his best in >this particular video. He had a little meat on his bones. (or maybe it was >the space pants) He was tanned and his hair was perfect. A killer song, with >words to melt by. > >Karen ( Strong Enough) I cringe with embarrasment when I see the video, but I do like the song. /Kicki G - ------------------------ Kicki Gustafsson, Östersunds-Posten 063-16 16 51 http://www.op.se http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (privat hemsida) - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 10:44:03 -0800 (PST) From: Neil Ashar Subject: [AVALON] anarchy in the UK - --- Will Frechette wrote: > Spit on Malcolm Mclaren. Sacrilege. > Will Homage, rather. NA ===== "We are quite the greatest nation in the world. In my lifetime, all of the problems have come from mainland Europe, and all of the solutions have come from the English-speaking countries of the world." -- Margaret Thatcher __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 17:13:30 -0500 From: ecwoods@mindspring.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Great Pretender To me, Ferry is a poet. And he does with his lyrics the same thing many poets do: wrap a raw, intensely personal emotion in layers of words that could apply to anyone who reads it, making it more universal and less blatantly personal. So some of the song's lyrics are probably not autobiographical, but the core emotions are. Disentangling the core from the wrapping, I think, would be impossible for anyone, save Ferry himself, to do. Crystal - ----- Original Message ----- Yeah, 'The Only Face,' 'Your Painted Smile,' 'Running Wild,' 'Just Another > High,' 'Same Old Scene,' 'More Than This,' 'Chance Meeting,' 'Help Me,' > 'Don't Want To Know,' all Las Vegas schmaltz. An act. Right. > > --Red > > - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 18:50:45 -0000 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] lyrics, synchronicity (sting-free zone), publishedlyrics Ha ! Well spotted. Even so, naming your offspring after songtitles is a pretty dangerous precedent - I mean where will it all end ? This Is Tomorrow Ferry ? Diamond Head Manzanera ? Can we look forward to the bass player of Quiet Sun naming one of his Mummy Was An Asteroid, Daddy Was A Small Non-stick Kitchen Utensil McCormick ?? Very worrying S8^) Regards, Ivor. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Kicki Gustafsson To: Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] lyrics, synchronicity (sting-free zone), publishedlyrics > ('The Right Stuff') and 'Hey > >there just look over your shoulder' ('MoP') > >'Tara' (instrumental) and 'ta-ra' ('For Your Pleasure' - no, only joking > >!!!) > > You forgot Ferry junior, Tara. > > /Kicki G > > ------------------------ > Kicki Gustafsson, Östersunds-Posten 063-16 16 51 > http://www.op.se > http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (privat hemsida) > > > > > > > -------------------- > To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail > majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 17:27:22 -0500 From: ecwoods@mindspring.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Is Your Brain Wet Enough? When compared to more "traditional" love songs like "Endlesslove," Ferry's "Is Your Love Strong Enough?" manages to get at the heart of the experience of love--the sense of destiny, the steadfastness of the emotion--without having it disintegrate into cliche and greeting-card sentimentality. Few other love songs I've ever heard can walk that line so deftly. Crystal - ----- Original Message ----- From: Colleen Matan To: Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Is Your Brain Wet Enough? > > > On Wed, 16 Feb 2000 RODEISLRED@aol.com wrote: > > > 'Is Your Love Strong Enough'???? Are you KIDDING??? One of the ABSOLUTE > > GREATEST things Ferry EVER recorded. > > > Martin wrote: > > >This pompous dirge, along with Dance With > > >Life and Is Your Love Strong Enough, blah, blah, pashima, blah. > > > I know it's not very sophisticated to add a "me too", but "me too." Even > reading the lyrics embedded in that overheated fan fiction that Bahi > posted the link to sent me into orbit. Truly one of the most romantic > songs EVER that Mr. Ferry has interpreted for us. Does it get much more > straightforward than this: > > Just one beat of your heart > and stranger than fantasy > I knew from the start > It had to be the place for me > Someone that I would die for > There´s no way I could ever leave > > In fact, I must go excuse myself for a moment and catch my breath. Carry > on. > > Colleen > > > > > > > > -------------------- > To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail > majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 18:17:56 -0500 From: ecwoods@mindspring.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] APS Me too! Me too! Please tell us how to order, Martin. Thanks! Crystal - ----- Original Message ----- Martin do you have a different & private Email. I would like a copy of > APS & a few days ago you expressed there indeed was a few copies left. I > can't get thru to the Email you post from privately. What if anything am > i doing wrong? Lend me a hand here please? M.Marlana K...... > > > > > > -------------------- > To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail > majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:50:42 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: [AVALON] pay no attention to that man behind the curtain On Tue, 15 Feb 2000 ecwoods@mindspring.com wrote: > When compared to more "traditional" love songs like "Endlesslove," Ferry's > "Is Your Love Strong Enough?" manages to get at the heart of the experience > of love--the sense of destiny, the steadfastness of the emotion--without > having it disintegrate into cliche and greeting-card sentimentality. Few > other love songs I've ever heard can walk that line so deftly. Actually, and with all due respect, I think you are missing the point of this song. It's not a song about "the sense of destiny" or "the steadfastness of the emotion." It's a song about uncertainty--I mean, it asks a question and the answer is not at all certain to come back as "yes." "Is your love strong enough?" "Am I asking too much?" It's about unrequited love, and I think those are among Ferry's very very best songs. In fact, I would go so far as to say that comments like Heather's > Interesting question. I say no. The theatricality of his glitter-rock > roots and his occasional onstage smirk contradict all illusions of a > dark, tormented soul. It's an act. He's too well-adjusted to be goth! both miss the mark and underestimate his peculiar talent. To see Ferry only as some "wink, wink, nudge, nudge" "post-modern" phony with "theatricality" obscures his very real sense of, well, and rawness and I can't even think of the word I want to use here, and is a tremendous pity. A crying shame, even. He's much more than a guy who wore funny outfits and glitter and makeup and was ironic from time to time. I mean, that's just--and only--the surface. There's something much more REAL than that at work in his work. And if you just want to go on about how ironic he was and how detached, &tc., naturally that's your choice. But I can't see how looking at him in just one dimension can be fulfilling in any meaningful way. But, to each his or her own world view. Since I'm rambling along on this topic, let me also say this: I do think, as a few of you have already noted, that there is something dark and sad about Ferry. But I do not think it's because he's pining away for Jerry Hall. I mean, that's just an insult to him and to his family and to his wife. He's 50-whatever years old. I can't imagine--and I certainly don't want to do so--that he's STILL mooning over her. It's not like he's so emotionally retarded that he is living in a past that's what 20? 30? years old. There are a million other reasons why Mr. Ferry could be able to so successfully mine such a resonant vein of melancholy, you know. I also continue to laugh out loud at the idea that the sulty song and/or album Boys and Girls is about Ferry's father. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. That kills me every time. Keep 'em coming, kids. Colleen - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:59:01 EST From: RODEISLRED@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] The Wizard of Av David Byrne? Monkeyboy? In a message dated 2/16/00 7:54:28 PM, matanc@gusun.georgetown.edu writes: << He's much more than a guy who wore funny outfits and glitter and makeup and was ironic from time to time. >> - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 12:00:23 -0800 (PST) From: Noam Bronstein Subject: RE: [AVALON] Don't blame Neil - Boys and Girls - --- "Ujvary, Richard A." wrote: > I guess in the big scheme of things no but somewhere out there > there's an individual who was hit right between the eyes with Stone > Woman or Slave to Love....a reecey roxy moment if you will. Absolutely agree. > Ultimately the connection we have to an artist is really on a > "personal" basis Agree. Ferry is gifted in both composing and performing, and thinking about this some more I'm not sure my original statement is really valid at all. Comparing the effect of live concerts and recorded work is like comparing a painting to a ballet. It's not really fair to say one or the other is a more 'pure' art form (help me out here you art school types). As example, a blind person may be able derive more insight and pleasure from Ferry's work by listening to his albums, than someone with the added visual information that we cherish so much about Ferry, attending a concert. What in the world would I do without my albums? I tried, Colleen, but the more I thought about it, the less convinced I became. ;) Noam ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 18:35:29 -0500 From: ecwoods@mindspring.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE : Lyrics - and THE Roxy moment Welcome, Jan Cees! I look forward to talking with you. Could it be that you were actually acknowledged by THE MAN himself? Be still, my heart! A cool anecdote. I think you'll like the list. Much lively conversation. Witty and intellegent personas. And some very knowledgeable fans. If, like me, you're used to typing on a word processor that points out spelling mistakes, you may want to keep a dictionary on hand. The "spelling police" are always on guard. :-) (They don't seem to catch comma splices, fragments, fused sentences, or dangling modifiers, though. ) I look forward to reading your messages-- Crystal - ----- Original Message ----- After having read the archives for a couple of weeks, this seemed a > suitable thread for a first posting. > > Lyrics that come to mind immediately: > > Broken parties making strange goodbyes. > > Communicamus perdita. > > Party time waisting is too much fun. > > > THE Roxy moment was the start of the Manifesto concert in Carre, > Amsterdam. A friend of a friend helped me to get third row, center seats. I > first began to really appreciate Roxy Music in '75 and did not see the Siren > concert, so I had to wait quite a while for a next chance. And there they > finally where, in a nice theatre, very near. > Should Alzheimer ever catch me, I will refuse to let go of this > memory. > > > The most confusing "Ferry" moment happened when I was doing my paper > round sometime in '76. Wearing buttons of punk/new wave bands was the common > thing to do. I was proudly wearing one of Roxy on my jacket (top half "Roxy > Music" cover, bottom half "Stranded" cover) , possibly wearing _my_ khaki > shirt with epaulettes and RM patches underneath. A man who was the spitting > image of Ferry came walking towards me, looked at me and my badge and > smiled. Later that week a magazine showed some pictures of Bryan Ferry in > Amsterdam. As far as I could remember he was wearing a very similar suit as > the man that walked past me. All my reason tells me that the man I saw was a > ghost Ferry, the rest of me is still not so sure. > > -Jan Cees > > > > > -------------------- > To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail > majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:22:11 -0600 From: "Will Frechette" Subject: Re: [AVALON] anarchy in the UK OK I can go with that. BTW I have some really good boot vid of PIL with some cool interview stuff. Johnny says of Laurie Anderson *performance artist I say piss artist* He ends up getting really nasty with the interviewer and JR threatens to kick his ass, calls him a puf and the band looks like they're up for it as well. Pretty great stuff. Will - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Ashar" > --- Will Frechette wrote: > > Spit on Malcolm Mclaren. Sacrilege. > > Will > Homage, rather. > NA > > ===== > "We are quite the greatest nation in the world. In my lifetime, all of the problems have come from mainland Europe, and all of the solutions have come from the English-speaking countries of the world." -- Margaret Thatcher - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V5 #59 *************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest