From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #58 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, February 16 2000 Volume 05 : Number 058 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Don't blame Neil - long post alert ! ["Ivor Canning" ] [AVALON] Name of the Game ["eman96" ] [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V5 #55 ["eman96" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry box ["Will Frechette" ] Re: [AVALON] Don't blame Neil - long post alert ! ["Martin Stockman" ] RE: [AVALON] BACK ["van Lammeren, Anton" ] [AVALON] Re: Ferry Covers {avalon-digest V5 #52} ["David Squires" ] Re: Re: [AVALON] lyrics [Heather Buch ] Re: Re: [AVALON] l mclaren for mayor! [Heather Buch ] Re: [AVALON] l mclaren for mayor! ["Simon Galloway" ] [AVALON] Re : McLaren ["Johnny Reece" ] RE: [AVALON] Don't blame Neil - Boys and Girls ["Ujvary, Richard A." ] [AVALON] mayor my day, punk [Neil Ashar ] RE: [AVALON] Don't blame Neil - Boys and Girls [Noam Bronstein ] Re: [AVALON] Don't blame Neil - Boys and Girls [Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Don't blame Neil - long post alert ! Bahi Para wrote: > Generally agreed with the first sentence but neither Phil nor Andy > contributed to the songwriting process on Mamouna - I'd be surprised > if either of them spent more than a half day in the studio. I read > somewhere Manzanera saying that he visited very briefly, and that Eno > spent one day. Andy I'm not sure about. As I said previously, creative influence goes further than writing; even a judiciously placed solo or choice of tone could make a songwriter (or producer) re-think the mix of a song. Even if Bryan had only *thought* of having the 2Ms input, it could well have influenced the development of a song (another strength of being in a band is writing FOR the other musicians). Although I don't have any documentary evidence to back this theory up, to my ears the end result still sounds more Roxy (and better - not *necessarily* the same thing, I hasten to add) than any of his recent self-penned albums. It would be wrong to dismiss the input of M&M on the basis of hours spent in the studio; this isn't a production line process. Anyway, Brian Eno spent his day in what seems to have been a mixing/effecting role and is co-credited on 'Wildcat Days' - no mean input. Regards, Ivor. n.p. Henry Cow - 'Concerts' - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 09:06:03 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Moments.., & Manzo I suppose that the upcoming Valentine cd's will sort of do that, as they cover 1973 - 1975, but only the Musikladen stuff. Better than nothing. SimonG >>> Davìd 02/15 6:06 pm >>> >I've always thought that "VIVA!" was a complete hodgepodge of songs >Arnie So true- I think we should've gotten something along the lines of 'The Name Of This Band Is Talking Heads'. Double LP set, one side devoted to each tour. Or maybe one LP Eno, one Jobson. This would have given us a true picture of Roxy's development, as well as giving us something great to listen to. - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 01:14:24 -0800 From: "eman96" Subject: [AVALON] Name of the Game Name of the Game, time waster? What??? "When you know the name of the game, you can never play enough." The name of the game of love. And the value of the tune is in the attitude of the Voice. Great late night listening. - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 01:18:04 -0800 From: "eman96" Subject: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V5 #55 you guys spent a lot of time talking ferry/roxy yesterday. i was a little disapointed. could you please get back to complimenting or trashing me please? i have an ego, after all, you know... e - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 03:28:19 -0600 From: "Will Frechette" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry box Hey you in the galoshes, yeah you, come down here, I want to see you. from the end of all the young dudes. Will - ----- Original Message ----- From: "KB Porter" > God! > Haven't thought of Mott the Hoople for decades! > Brings back high times and outrageous blasts. kbp - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 08:56:08 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Don't blame Neil - long post alert ! - ---------- >From: Bahi Para > You're right but you've just described one of Sting's solo records. Heaven forfend. > Fine on the radio, but it needs to stay off the turntable. So halfway > through Don't Stop the Dance, I found myself thinking: what a *waste* > of time, money and talent. It took a while for things to get good. > (It was Windswept that first did its thing.) > > So what I should have said (instead of "music needs to be easier for > me these days") is "the things that make an album interesting need to > be a little more obvious now". (Not something to be proud of - it's > age or lack of time or a general increase in shallowness and > complacency. Whatever.) If an album is just bland and warm, it gets > given away or put away. I've tried too many of them. Crossed wires here Bahi. I thought your thrust was that you'd find B&G too complicated for your Y2K ears and I tried to counter, in my verbose way, that the dark chocolate narrative was positioned seductively on a pashmina pillow. The cottage is pretty, the main house a palace. But what to do there ? Better pray there. Indeed. Martineau - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 09:52:30 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Name of the Game - ---------- >From: "eman96" > Name of the Game, time waster? > > What??? > > "When you know the name of the game, > you can never play enough." > > The name of the game of love. > > And the value of the tune is in the attitude of the Voice. > Thanks for the explanation Eric. The subtle charm of the Cool Ruler does not lend itself to hectoring anthemic productions like this. This pompous dirge, along with Dance With Life and Is Your Love Strong Enough, would sit far easier in the canon of a whooping stadia rocker like Bryan Adams, his acne soft-lit by twenty-five thousand cigarette lighters. Liverishly yours Martino - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 10:02:35 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V5 #55 / lyrics I got to thinking about this lyrics thread on the bus last night (I accidentaly left my Mojo magazine at work, so I had to rely on the grey matter for entertainment) and I couldn't pick out just one line that I really liked, but went for whole songs instead. "Manifesto" has great lyrics, very strong and visual and creates an instant image in the mind as Bryan sings. Is this what he wanted at that time? Overall, it's not one of Roxy's greatest songs, but it is good. "Pyjamarama" - I always get lost typing the title, and what does it mean? But damn good lyrics, and a very Beatlesque chord progression. I suppose the Pyjama bit comes from "couldn't sleep a wink last night" and rama - is that an abreviated drama or a slang for rhyme? But I have to disagree with the Dance Away quote - "You're dressed to kill and guess who's dying", I think it's a bit corny, but having lived with it for 21 years I just sing along as always. And the "chained and bound" thing - I don't think Bryan sees himself as a lyricist, and as evidenced on the 3 studio demos from Strictly Confidential he is more likely to find words that fit the sound and music. So the above use of the phrase is just Bryan getting stuck and going for a catchphrase, like a gameshow host :-)!!!!!!!! "Come on down - you're chained and bound!!!!" He was more lyrical in the early days. Maybe he'll get back into it and do a FYP type thing and write and arrange the songs BEFORE the recording, and just using the studio to record the songs rather than create them. That's what Bowie did for "...Hours", and lyrically that's a good album. SimonG PS A little insult for Eman below (hope it makes your day ;-).) >>> "eman96" 02/16 9:18 am >>> >you guys spent a lot of time talking ferry/roxy yesterday. >i was a little disapointed. >could you please get back to complimenting or trashing me please? >i have an ego, after all, you know... >e Bugger off!!! - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 10:06:15 -0000 From: Terry Lane Subject: [AVALON] All styles served here! I dont know about you guys, but every time Ferry/Roxy planned a tour I would be wondering what Bryan would where on stage . What is the most outrageous clothes you have worn to Ferry/Roxy concert ie: how many you have guys turned up with the white tuxedo? and have any of you ladies turned out like the sirens 75 & 99 Terry - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:30:29 +0100 From: Frederic DECLERCQ Subject: [AVALON] BACK Hi every - one Here I'm back. With a new email adress, in a new company, a new car, a new phone number, a new gsm number, ... the same girlfriend! I miss the list, sincerelly. In the meanwhile, i went to the Antwerp gig and found out that it was a great gig. Namely at the end when everyone stands up around Bry! Surprise also with Love is the Drug. The papers in Belgium said that it was a shcking concert because of the gran'pa's that where playing Great pop music from the seventies. They also said i was one of the best gigs they had seen since a long time! Bry still got it! Unfortunately I did'nt meet him after the gig... Happy to be back! Ciao, Fred - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 12:50:39 +0100 From: "van Lammeren, Anton" Subject: RE: [AVALON] BACK Welcome back, We looked all over the place for you! I'll forward you some postings, case you migth have missed them. Greetz, Anton. - -----Original Message----- From: Frederic DECLERCQ [mailto:fdc@mcbride.be] Sent: woensdag 16 februari 2000 11:30 To: 'avalon@smoe.org' Subject: [AVALON] BACK Hi every - one Here I'm back. With a new email adress, in a new company, a new car, a new phone number, a new gsm number, ... the same girlfriend! I miss the list, sincerelly. In the meanwhile, i went to the Antwerp gig and found out that it was a great gig. Namely at the end when everyone stands up around Bry! Surprise also with Love is the Drug. The papers in Belgium said that it was a shcking concert because of the gran'pa's that where playing Great pop music from the seventies. They also said i was one of the best gigs they had seen since a long time! Bry still got it! Unfortunately I did'nt meet him after the gig... Happy to be back! Ciao, Fred - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:07:11 -0000 From: "David Squires" Subject: RE: [AVALON] lyrics If pressed on this subject: "G-Plan gymnastics by an ever-glow fire Can never mean the same As summer enchantment by an old mill stream From courtly love to costly game..." Serenade And all set to that wonderfully twisted C21 Motown meets Joe Meek pop-art soundtrack. Blissful! It doesn't get much better than this. David - -- David Squires Wimbotsham Norfolk UK - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:07:11 -0000 From: "David Squires" Subject: [AVALON] Re: Ferry Covers {avalon-digest V5 #52} On 14 Feb 00, at 14:05, J O'B wrote: > Does any one know of or have any other Ferry Roxy covers that I > don't have. I have an instrumental version of "Trash" by a combo named "The Bromsgrove Murderers." Believe me, you don't want to hear it! David - -- David Squires Wimbotsham Norfolk UK - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:07:12 -0000 From: "David Squires" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry Covers [avalon-digest V5 #52} On 14 Feb 00, at 14:05, Simon Galloway wrote: > I can't believe MPeople have done Avalon, that must be awful, > especially if their putrid rendition of Itchycoo Park is anything > to go by. It is, Simon, truly awful, along with most of the rest of their output. While I'm slagging off chainstore idols, George Michael's version of "Where or when" is vapid. It kills the song. (Sorry, Kicki!) David - -- David Squires Wimbotsham Norfolk UK - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:07:11 -0000 From: "David Squires" Subject: Re: [AVALON] APS notes [avalon-digest V5 #51] On 14 Feb 00, at 10:46, Heather Buch wrote: > I especially liked that Richard Hamilton peice. Ditto, this is one of the best parts of a very good tape. I'm glad you found it, Martin. Or was there another Hamilton piece (BBC2?) that you were looking for? > I also liked the performance of "Ladytron." I had never heard > it with that much distortion/experimental keyboard sounds > before. Eno is really going crazy with his primative little > machine in that one. Now I know what people are talking about > when they speak of Roxy Music's early "experimental" sounds. > Having been raised on the Sex Pistols and the Damned, I never > before thought of Roxy Music as particularly "experimental," > until I saw this. This musical R&D, the collision of disparate styles to form a new and unique entity is one of my favourite things about early Roxy Music. For me it was a good place to start, a wonderful cultural portal (Matron). Funnily enough, I didn't find the Damned or Sex Pistols experimental. Brash, loud, hip and funny for sure, but very much rooted in existing rock and roll. And I much preferred the Buzzcocks and early (St Pancras-era) Scritti Politti. However, each to their own! David - -- David Squires Wimbotsham Norfolk UK - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 08:52:57 -0500 From: "Tim Kendrick" Subject: Re: [AVALON] l mclaren for mayor! This has only the most tenuous link to Avalon, but it made me laugh. While in New York yesterday, I picked up Feb's LITERARY REVIEW. The editor is the well-known British satirist Auberon Waugh, a madly eccentric right-winger who is nevertheless the funniest newspaper columnist around. On the Editorial page of LIT REVIEW, he had this to say: '... The British genius survives. At last somebody has come up with a good political suggestion. Malcolm McLaren, the musical entertainer, who is standing for Mayor of London, has proposed that alcoholic drinks should be available for purchase and consumption in the public libraries. ' His other proposals - to scrap museum charges and legalise brothels - may be thought equally benign, but he should watch his step. The Dutch government has just introduced a law to legalise brothels, which demands that all prostitutes employed must be European. As if this were not contemptible enough, it also insists on endless inspections by health and sanitary services, the registering of employees, etc. ' McLaren may already have learned that politics is a tricky business. But I do not see any of these proposals in his latest manifesto. Far better concentrate on public libraries. Even then, there will be a scream from the teetotal brigade, demanding that they be allowed to buy soft drinks, then another scream that they are being overcharged for them. He must not waver. People who drink those sweet, fizzy beverages undoubtedly derive as much enjoyment from them as a wine-lover does from a bottle of claret, and there is no reason why they should pay less. McLaren must be bold and strong. He has the massive backing of LITERARY REVIEW, and no candidate with this magazine behind him has yet failed to be swept to power.' If I'd known how hard it was to type an article, I never would have done it. ( Apologies to Huck Finn.) The tenuous links to AVALON are: 1.) I think McLaren once interviewed Bryan on THE TUBE. I'm almost certain I have it on tape somewhere. 2. ) In one of those anally retentive what's-your-favourite-food listings, didn't Ferry say that he subscribed to LITERARY REVIEW? One further thing : I had a glance at the box for the US release of THE VIDEO COLLECTION, though I didn't buy it. ( Which I now regret. Next time.) It lists DON'T WANT TO KNOW as one of the videos included. I cannot for the life of me remember this being on the UK version. Can someone in Britain check their copy and confirm, or otherwise, my suspicion? Tim - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 08:53:03 -0500 From: Heather Buch Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] lyrics - --_uReach_com_2691673499507091832185xxx_ Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Interesting question. I say no. The theatricality of his glitter-rock roots and his occasional onstage smirk contradict all illusions of a dark, tormented soul. It's an act. He's too well-adjusted to be goth! Heather > ----- Original Message ----- > From: KB Porter > To: > Sent: 15 February 2000 18:32 > Subject: Re: [AVALON] lyrics > > > > > > Is his pathos really as serious as his lyrics suggest? Or is it a > > partial put-on. I hate to think he is in such a dark state of mind: > The > > apparent pain, alone, suggested by his lyrics is excruciating. kbp > > > > > > > > > > -------------------- > > To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail > > majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > > > -------------------- > To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail > majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number - Free Free voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag - --_uReach_com_2691673499507091832185xxx_-- - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 08:58:06 -0500 From: Heather Buch Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] l mclaren for mayor! - --_uReach_com_2691673499507094863173xxx_ Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh god, just what we need - a Euro Jesse Ventura ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number - Free Free voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag - ---- On Wed, 16 Feb 2000, Tim Kendrick (tim63@earthlink.net) wrote: > > This has only the most tenuous link to Avalon, but it made me laugh. > > While in New York yesterday, I picked up Feb's LITERARY REVIEW. The > editor is the well-known British satirist Auberon Waugh, a madly > eccentric right-winger who is nevertheless the funniest newspaper > columnist around. On the Editorial page of LIT REVIEW, he had > this to say: > > '... The British genius survives. At last somebody has come up with a > good > political suggestion. Malcolm McLaren, the musical entertainer, who is > standing for Mayor of London, has proposed that alcoholic drinks should > be > available > for purchase and consumption in the public libraries. > ' His other proposals - to scrap museum charges and legalise brothels - > - --_uReach_com_2691673499507094863173xxx_-- - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:02:58 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] l mclaren for mayor! I actually saw Malcom Mclaren last Friday trying to hail a taxi on Charlotte Street, London W1. He looked like a lost little boy, but he lives just round the corner from there. I felt the urge to run up to him and spit on him, but there was a busy road between us. Give me Ken Livingstone any day!!! I appreciate your effort in typing that out, even if no one else does. SimonG >>> "Tim Kendrick" 02/16 1:52 pm >>> This has only the most tenuous link to Avalon, but it made me laugh. While in New York yesterday, I picked up Feb's LITERARY REVIEW. The editor is the well-known British satirist Auberon Waugh, a madly eccentric right-winger who is nevertheless the funniest newspaper columnist around. Tim - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:15:02 -0000 From: "Johnny Reece" Subject: [AVALON] Re : McLaren Our Malc can be quite mad, sometimes, in an 'occasional genius' type of way. I will say this in his defence, though, he came out with my favourite album of the 90s with 'Paris', so maybe he ain't all bad. Yep, I do remember (vaguely) a Bry interview by Malc, when he seemed to be pursuing a very unamused BF. Must be found ! Meanwhile, it must be Bryan Ferry for Mayor. Reecey... - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 09:19:43 -0500 From: "Ujvary, Richard A." Subject: RE: [AVALON] Don't blame Neil - Boys and Girls Your comment brings me to what Springsteen said when he was contemplating a reunion tour with the E Street Band. He said when he "came back" he didn't want to waste anybody's time including his audience. Well it worked and his constiuency couldn't get enough of him during live performance where the audience/performer bond gets really magnified. It's interesting that Ferry is touring now and contemplating putting out the new work later rather than putting out the "record" now and then running it around the world. Perhaps he wants to can the value of "live" (on it's many levels) and bring it into the studio later on at this point. Hope he has something to say though because I wouldn't like to see a great Roxy/Ferry ouvre windup with a lousy "reunion" album. Rich - -----Original Message----- From: Noam Bronstein [mailto:LoJoe@rocketmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 7:10 PM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Don't blame Neil - Boys and Girls Yes most of us can agree B&G is Ferry's best album, and I love reading these kind of posts, but these glorious praises of immortality for B&G raise a few alarm bells for me. As great as an album like B&G is, it's still a laboriously crafted, manufactured work of the studio. Which doesn't make it less of an accomplishment... but if we're talking about 'perfection' that can never be repeated... it would seem to me that Ferry's *greatest* legacy would be his live performances. That's just my 2 cents, and I haven't watched him nearly as closely or as long as most of you. I just feel Ferry touches more people, in a more profound way in concert. (I have many thoughts on this/reasons for saying this, but I'll leave it at that) Noam ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 12:22:37 -0000 From: "SHEARER, Andrew" Subject: RE: [AVALON] A Perfumed Sigh I might be totally wrong but I think the guitarist maybe Louise Goffin, Carole King's daughter. However in the past BF has mentioned he was a fan of Wendy & Lisa's. Andrew - -----Original Message----- From: Will Frechette [mailto:will@execpc.com] Sent: 16 February 2000 09:13 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] A Perfumed Sigh The riff she's playing and the style would indicate that it is more likely Wendy and if it's Lucy my hat's off to her on the Wendy impersonation. her hair is different but I haven't seen her for quite a few years. Always thought she was *shit hot* with her bad blue Rickenbacker. OOH what a babe and can she play OOH. OK Ihave to go now. Will - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Gibbs (G-media/IMS)" > > >I'm not sure if anyone else has mentioned this but in the TOTP version of Spell on APS there is a female > >guitarist and my friend and I though it looked an awful lot like Wendy from > >Wendy and Lisa of The Artist FKAP's band. > > She looks a lot like Ferry's wife to me?!? > > Jason - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Sema Group. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the Sema Group Helpdesk by telephone on +44 (0) 121 627 5600. ___________________________________________________________________________ - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 08:50:40 -0600 (CST) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty) Subject: [AVALON] APS Martin do you have a different & private Email. I would like a copy of APS & a few days ago you expressed there indeed was a few copies left. I can't get thru to the Email you post from privately. What if anything am i doing wrong? Lend me a hand here please? M.Marlana K...... - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 09:54:53 EST From: AMeyersLD@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re : McLaren In a message dated 2/16/2000 8:16:14 AM Central Standard Time, johnny.reece@virgin.net writes: << Meanwhile, it must be Bryan Ferry for Mayor. Reecey... >> This is potentially a very interesting thread. I know you lot in London have an actress running for mayor, but at least she has some trial experience. I have spent a lot of time recently battling the mayor of the suburb of Chicago that I live in, and I belive that his day job is psychopathic serial killer..... What other pop stars would work as elected officials? Elvis Costello has mellowed in his old age, but as a young man I am sure he would have been very frightening in power. David Byrne? Patti Smith? I think the only musician I can think of who would bring genuine new perspectives to government would be Eno. (Or those lovely dada-ists behind the Flying Lizards....) Andrew in Evanston - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:10:55 +0100 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry Covers [avalon-digest V5 #52} > >It is, Simon, truly awful, along with most of the rest of their output. >While I'm slagging off chainstore idols, George Michael's version of >"Where or when" is vapid. It kills the song. (Sorry, Kicki!) > >David I'm not sorry because that's how I feel too. George sort of shrugs it away. But "The first time ever I saw your face" is a killer!! Kicki - ------------------------ Kicki Gustafsson, Östersunds-Posten 063-16 16 51 http://www.op.se http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (privat hemsida) - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:42:24 -0000 From: "Johnny Reece" Subject: [AVALON] RE : McLaren Personally, for me, Costello would be a contender for Poet Laureate in the new set-up. Downright smart-ass as his lyrics can be, I really do love them. Andrew, the Flying Lizards being in some sort of power is indeed a frightening prospect. I remember their excellent first lead singer, 'Deborah Lizard'. The man behind the Band was David Cunningham, wonder what he's doing now. In the 80s, they did superb/bizarre covers of 'Sex Machine' and 'Purple Haze' which had to be heard to be believed - brilliant though. Thankfully, they left the RM/BF catalogue alone. Though I must admit it would have been interesting if they hadn't. In the mid-80s, they replaced the lead girl singer - with one who sounded exactly the same - name of Sally - who is in fact 'Classic FM' DJ - Sally Peterson - who won't thank me for revealing that fact. I'm really enjoying myself at work today - I've been having a 'first up against the musical wall when the revolution comes' type conversation with a few customers. So far, Celine Dion, Cher, Bryan Adams, Bon Jovi, Jim Steinman, Tina Turner, and Michael Bolton are lined up, ready. All IMHO, by the way. This agrees nicely with my 'No Celine Dion or Cher Fans' sign on the wall - which either causes hilarity or disdain, depending on your point of view, of course. A woman has also told me off today about my 'New Release specials for £10' sign in the window - where I have 'Michael Bloody Bolton' listed. She wasn't amused. Some people just have no sense of humour. Perhaps she should go to Our Price. Still thinking of 'Mayor' possibilities, have to think a bit on that one. Reecey... - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 07:59:15 -0800 (PST) From: Neil Ashar Subject: [AVALON] mayor my day, punk Clint Eastwood was mayor of Carmel, CA (a cute little boutique-town) and Sonny Bono, of course, ruled Palm Sprins with an iron hand in a velvet golf glove. NA - --- AMeyersLD@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/16/2000 8:16:14 AM Central Standard Time, > johnny.reece@virgin.net writes: > > << Meanwhile, it must be Bryan Ferry for Mayor. > Reecey... > >> > This is potentially a very interesting thread. I know you lot in > London have > an actress running for mayor, but at least she has some trial > experience. I > have spent a lot of time recently battling the mayor of the suburb of > Chicago > that I live in, and I belive that his day job is psychopathic serial > killer..... > What other pop stars would work as elected officials? > Elvis Costello has mellowed in his old age, but as a young man I am > sure he > would have been very frightening in power. David Byrne? Patti Smith? > I think the only musician I can think of who would bring genuine new > perspectives to government would be Eno. > (Or those lovely dada-ists behind the Flying Lizards....) > > Andrew in Evanston > > > > > -------------------- > To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail > majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > ===== "We are quite the greatest nation in the world. In my lifetime, all of the problems have come from mainland Europe, and all of the solutions have come from the English-speaking countries of the world." -- Margaret Thatcher __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 08:07:06 -0800 (PST) From: Noam Bronstein Subject: RE: [AVALON] Don't blame Neil - Boys and Girls Rich, ..this is partly conjecture, but I don't think Ferry is content with his career, whether recorded or live (for that matter, who is?). We know he is a something of a reluctant "star"; yes he has some fun with it but a lot of it is uncomfortable. And that's what makes him so great... he's ironic yet so sincere. Anyway, everyone takes something different from Ferry, I just was wondering aloud how history will view him, if that even matters. I don't think he'll be remembered for Boys & Girls, personally. Noam - --- "Ujvary, Richard A." wrote: Perhaps he wants to can the value of "live" (on it's many levels) and bring it into the studio later on at this point. Hope he has something to say though because I wouldn't like to see a great Roxy/Ferry ouvre windup with a lousy "reunion" album. Rich > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 08:10:06 -0800 (PST) From: Noam Bronstein Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] lyrics eh? - --- Heather Buch wrote: The theatricality of his glitter-rock roots and his occasional onstage smirk contradict all illusions of a dark, tormented soul. It's an act. Heather ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:10:50 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Don't blame Neil - Boys and Girls On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, Noam Bronstein wrote: [...] > 'perfection' that can never be repeated... it would seem to me that > Ferry's *greatest* legacy would be his live performances. That's just > my 2 cents, and I haven't watched him nearly as closely or as long as > most of you. I just feel Ferry touches more people, in a more profound > way in concert. (I have many thoughts on this/reasons for saying this, > but I'll leave it at that) Why leave it at that? I'd be very interested in reading some stuff which was actually about Mr. Ferry and his music, and I think this is a great topic, Noam. So please, do the honors, and kick off the thread for us. Colleen - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:14:28 +0100 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: RE: [AVALON] Don't blame Neil - Boys and Girls Noam wrote: I don't think he'll be remembered for Boys >& Girls, personally. Neither do I. He will be remembered for the work he did under the Roxy name, and possibly his coveralbums. Kicki G - ------------------------ Kicki Gustafsson, Östersunds-Posten 063-16 16 51 http://www.op.se http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (privat hemsida) - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:52:39 -0000 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] lyrics, synchronicity (sting-free zone), published lyrics Mike Leigh wrote: > Anyone notice Bryan's fondness for the phrase "Chained and Bound"? Good spot !! Oddly enough, I had been thinking about themes/links myself when your post arrived: 'Siren' (album) and 'slinky sirens' ('Editions Of You') 'Sea Breezes' (song) and 'in sea breezes they flutter' ('Beauty Queen') 'True To Life' (song) and 'true to life or just a lie' ('My Little Girl') 'Limbo' (song) and 'lumber up, limbo down' ('LITD') 'unwinding rivers flowing through the meadow to the sea' ('In Your Mind') and 'there's a river flowing by a willow tree' ('My Only Love') 'willows weep around you still' ('Serenade') and 'No willow weep for me now' ('New Town') 'Over your shoulder there's a world out there' ('The Right Stuff') and 'Hey there just look over your shoulder' ('MoP') 'Tara' (instrumental) and 'ta-ra' ('For Your Pleasure' - no, only joking !!!) Weird synchronicity - yesterday at work someone mentioned Quaglino's in the context of a presentation given by a management consultant (comparing Quaglino's with McDonald's). Of course, I couldn't get the line from 'Do The Strand' out of my head for the rest of the day (I'm such a peasant !!). Later that evening, on my way home, I stopped at a crossing, looked sideways up the street and saw an illuminated sign for....Mabel's !!! Once I'd crossed the road, I could see it was a pub under the full title of 'Mabel's Tavern', but as coincidences go, it'll do for me ! Regards, Ivor. BTW - Talking of lyrics, am I the only one who thinks the line from Psalm quoted everywhere as 'his harmony-thine' should be 'his armour divine' ? Is there an *officially approved* set of lyrics published anywhere (songbook transcriptions aren't always reliable, either) ? Maybe that's something 'The Bogus Man' could sort out ? (...sorry, that was a cheap shot, I apologise to anyone who resembles that remark...) - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V5 #58 *************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest