From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #56 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Tuesday, February 15 2000 Volume 05 : Number 056 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Re: Raitt [KB Porter ] [AVALON] Re: David Mock's character [Dan Ream ] Re: [AVALON] Re: list--please read [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] Moments.., & Manzo [=?iso-8859-1?Q?Dav=ECd?= ] [AVALON] RE: Spin Me Round [Heather James ] Re: [AVALON] lyrics [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] lyrics [Kicki Gustafsson ] Re: [AVALON] RE: Spin Me Round [KB Porter ] [AVALON] Two simple questions... [Carl Koontz ] Re: [AVALON] RE : NYC 99 ["Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest" ] RE: [AVALON] lyrics [Eric Gregory ] Re: [AVALON] Two simple questions... [William Sommers ] [AVALON] RE : Lyrics - and THE Roxy moment ["Boogaard, Jan Cees" ] RE: Re: [AVALON] this and that [Eric Gregory ] Re: [AVALON] Re: list--please read ["Will Frechette" ] Re: [AVALON] A Perfumed Sigh ["Will Frechette" ] Re: Re: [AVALON] this and that ["Will Frechette" ] Re: [AVALON] Re: list--please read [ecwoods@mindspring.com] Re: [AVALON] Covers, Neil etc ["Will Frechette" ] Re: Re: [AVALON] this and that [Heather Buch ] [AVALON] lyrics [Heather Buch ] [AVALON] Chained and Bound [Bahi Para ] Re: [AVALON] Don't blame Neil - long post alert ! [Bahi Para ] Re: [AVALON] 23 June ["Richard Swift" ] [AVALON] Stung [RODEISLRED@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Chained and Bound [Noam Bronstein ] Re: [AVALON] Mock & Roll ["Robert Whiteford" ] Re: [AVALON] Don't blame Neil - Boys and Girls ["Robert Whiteford" ] Re: [AVALON] Don't blame Neil - Boys and Girls [Noam Bronstein Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Raitt Mary: I think Bonnie Raitt is about 50 years old. You're lucky to have your father's record collection. Happily, my father still has his records. However, they are really hissy, poppy things that revolve so fast when played I think of flying disks (78 rpm). Believe me, the tunes of his record collection are tamed little things compared with what is in mine and probably ours and everyone else's on this list. Still, if I happen to be visiting my parents at the same time that my 80 year old aunt is visiting, well, I love to hear them reminisce about times when they were young. I would be very pleased if someone on the list would post the lyrics of "Spin Me Round". The movers lost a box of my LPs somewhere in Northern America last year, Manifesto was among the lot. I bought the cd before the re-issues of last fall and there are no lyrics included. I wanted to quote lyrics from SMR as some I particularly like, but I may only paraphrase them now. Something like: ....There's a dozen roses lying and almost dying to say it all.... Maybe it's the music box thing that makes me think the lyrics of "Spin Me Round" are emotionally powerful. I've not heard mention of this song by any list members and I wonder if it's just me who things SMR might be worthy of a Ferry remake. Best wishes, kbp - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 13:07:52 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Ream Subject: [AVALON] Re: David Mock's character David Mock e-orated: >>I've been on Avalon under the same name for several >>years, and many other members can attest to my character. Hey, I'm a short-timer on Avalon and I can already tell that David Mock is a character! ;-) Have you seen that sig file of his? ;-) Seriously, David--if it's not too soon to ask, can you tell us about availability of the CDRs that Han posted about here on Avalon a day or two ago? I think he named you as the North American distributor. Thanks! - --Dan - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 13:08:18 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: list--please read Why am I confused? Katie - Bar the door!! - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 13:06:34 -0500 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dav=ECd?= Subject: Re: [AVALON] Moments.., & Manzo >I've always thought that "VIVA!" was a complete hodgepodge of songs from >various dated and times and that while it gave us the sound of Roxy was not >representative of the pacing and dynamics of a concert experience. > >Arnie So true- I think we should've gotten something along the lines of 'The Name Of This Band Is Talking Heads'. Double LP set, one side devoted to each tour. Or maybe one LP Eno, one Jobson. This would have given us a true picture of Roxy's development, as well as giving us something great to listen to. Cheers, ______ / ____ \ __ / / / / / / / / / / __ / / / / / / \_\ / / / / / / ___ __ _ __ ____/ / / / / / / \ \ \ / / / / / __ / / /___/ / / /_\ \ \ \/ / / / / /_/ / __ __ __ __ __ /_______/ /_/ \_\ \__/ /_/ \____/ /_/ /_/ /_/ /_/ /_/ DavdMock@America.Net CPL593H! -Bryan Ferry, 1972 ____________________________________ |~|Have a look at my web site... |~| |~|Shakatak |~| |~|Swing Out Sister |~| |~|80's pop |~| |~| (Peter Godwin, Fashion, |~| |~| Modern Romance, Belouis Some,|~| |~| Strange Advance, Mari Wilson)|~| |~|Atlanta Bands |~| |~| (Rose Whipperr & Marc Stowe, |~| |~| The Brains, Face Of Concern, |~| |~| Design, Liking The Idea) |~| |~|Lounge Music |~| |~|Hamlet & |~| |~|Raymond Chandler pages |~| |~|An Atlanta Argosy |~| |~|Lotsa cool stuff! |~| - ------------------------------------ http://america.net/~davdmock/ - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 13:19:23 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] lyrics Terry: Order it; "CC, on the rocks, please". kbp - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 13:25:00 -0500 From: Heather James Subject: [AVALON] RE: Spin Me Round Lyrics courtesy of Bryan Chow's wonderful "Madness in my Soul" website http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~bryan/roxy/ http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~bryan/roxy/lyrics/manifesto.lyrics Spin Me Round (Ferry) Now the ballroom's empty everybody I have known has been and gone with the music over here am I a shadow echoing on Spin me Round... Now there must be something in what they say of all things great and small there's a dozen roses lying almost dying to say it all Spin me Round... A nether world dancing toy I'm wired for sound does it matter to me who then turns the key? Now if life is for living then the way is clear but I don't understand why the dream has ended yet I can't wake up lend a hand - Spin me Round... -= )-(eather =- >------------------< hjames@thewebgal.com Heather's Website: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/ My Roxy Music site: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ >-----------------------------------------------------< KB Porter wrote: > > Mary: > > > I would be very pleased if someone on the list would post the lyrics of > "Spin Me Round". The movers lost a box of my LPs somewhere in Northern > America last year, Manifesto was among the lot. I bought the cd before > the re-issues of last fall and there are no lyrics included. I wanted > to quote lyrics from SMR as some I particularly like, but I may only > paraphrase them now. > > > Best wishes, kbp > - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 13:32:00 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] lyrics Dear Mike: I've always wondered at Ferry's turn around with the lyrics from "Help Me" - I don't wanna be alone, and those of "The Only Face" - I want to be alone. Is his pathos really as serious as his lyrics suggest? Or is it a partial put-on. I hate to think he is in such a dark state of mind: The apparent pain, alone, suggested by his lyrics is excruciating. kbp - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 19:36:29 +0100 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] lyrics >Dear Mike: > >I've always wondered at Ferry's turn around with the lyrics from "Help >Me" - I don't wanna be alone, and those of "The Only Face" - I want to >be alone. The only face is about Greta Garbo, notorious want-to-be-left-aloner. Kicki G - ------------------------ Kicki Gustafsson, Östersunds-Posten 063-16 16 51 http://www.op.se http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (privat hemsida) - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 13:54:26 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE: Spin Me Round Dear Heather: Thank you! kbp - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 14:07:38 -0500 From: Carl Koontz Subject: [AVALON] Two simple questions... 1 - Is the model on the cover of "Heart Still Beating" a guy or a girl? 2 - Considering many artists have done the "original" "Oh Yeah", who is considered to have done either the "definitive" version or the version actually being referenced by Ferry? Thanks, Carl - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 20:07:57 +0100 From: "Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest" Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE : NYC 99 Reecey wrote: > Han is the master 'cleaner-upper' - if he doesn't mind me using the phrase. > If he doesn't want to, I'll give it a try, as I've a few 'filters' etc in > the Studio at home. Worth a try. I'll pass for this one because I don't think this will add very much to the Boston and Golders Green one. I'm waiting for a good recording of street life and Out of the blue. Han - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 14:29:12 EST From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE : NYC 99 In a message dated 02/15/2000 2:28:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, snijders.geest@hetnet.nl writes: << I'm waiting for a good recording of street life and Out of the blue. >> Yeah, me too, said Arnie, stamping his little old feet. - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 14:30:20 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] lyrics On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, KB Porter wrote: > Is his pathos really as serious as his lyrics suggest? Or is it a > partial put-on. I hate to think he is in such a dark state of mind: The > apparent pain, alone, suggested by his lyrics is excruciating. kbp I believe that it is known as "artistic license." Colleen - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 11:45:37 -0800 From: Eric Gregory Subject: RE: [AVALON] lyrics The > apparent pain, alone, suggested by his lyrics is excruciating. kbp how can we help? ______________________________________________ Eric S. Gregory IVR Assistant egregory@standard.com (503) 321-8503 ____________________________________________ - -----Original Message----- From: Colleen Matan [mailto:matanc@gusun.georgetown.edu] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 11:30 AM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] lyrics On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, KB Porter wrote: > Is his pathos really as serious as his lyrics suggest? Or is it a > partial put-on. I hate to think he is in such a dark state of mind: The > apparent pain, alone, suggested by his lyrics is excruciating. kbp I believe that it is known as "artistic license." Colleen - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 12:49:41 -0800 From: William Sommers Subject: Re: [AVALON] Two simple questions... At 02:07 PM 2/15/00 -0500, Carl Koontz wrote: > 1 - Is the model on the cover of "Heart Still Beating" > a guy or a girl? Yes. > 2 - Considering many artists have done the "original" > "Oh Yeah", who is considered to have done either > the "definitive" version or the version actually being > referenced by Ferry? I've always considered it to be self-referential. (And frankly, I feel that album would lose one of its few charms if we were to find out it actually isn't.) -wfs (in semi-smartass mode) - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 21:52:39 +0100 From: "Boogaard, Jan Cees" Subject: [AVALON] RE : Lyrics - and THE Roxy moment After having read the archives for a couple of weeks, this seemed a suitable thread for a first posting. Lyrics that come to mind immediately: Broken parties making strange goodbyes. Communicamus perdita. Party time waisting is too much fun. THE Roxy moment was the start of the Manifesto concert in Carre, Amsterdam. A friend of a friend helped me to get third row, center seats. I first began to really appreciate Roxy Music in '75 and did not see the Siren concert, so I had to wait quite a while for a next chance. And there they finally where, in a nice theatre, very near. Should Alzheimer ever catch me, I will refuse to let go of this memory. The most confusing "Ferry" moment happened when I was doing my paper round sometime in '76. Wearing buttons of punk/new wave bands was the common thing to do. I was proudly wearing one of Roxy on my jacket (top half "Roxy Music" cover, bottom half "Stranded" cover) , possibly wearing _my_ khaki shirt with epaulettes and RM patches underneath. A man who was the spitting image of Ferry came walking towards me, looked at me and my badge and smiled. Later that week a magazine showed some pictures of Bryan Ferry in Amsterdam. As far as I could remember he was wearing a very similar suit as the man that walked past me. All my reason tells me that the man I saw was a ghost Ferry, the rest of me is still not so sure. -Jan Cees - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 15:16:53 -0600 From: "Will Frechette" Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] this and that Heather don't tell me I need to explain this. Will - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Buch" > > eh? > > ---- On Mon, 14 Feb 2000, Will Frechette (will@execpc.com) > wrote: > > > They make something for that..oh yeah...duct tape. > > > > Will - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 13:15:21 -0800 From: Eric Gregory Subject: RE: Re: [AVALON] this and that perhaps you could enlist PEA_NUT's expository powers...... ______________________________________________ Eric S. Gregory IVR Assistant egregory@standard.com (503) 321-8503 ____________________________________________ - -----Original Message----- From: Will Frechette [mailto:will@execpc.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 1:17 PM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] this and that Heather don't tell me I need to explain this. Will - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Buch" > > eh? > > ---- On Mon, 14 Feb 2000, Will Frechette (will@execpc.com) > wrote: > > > They make something for that..oh yeah...duct tape. > > > > Will - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 15:25:57 -0600 From: "Will Frechette" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: list--please read Yeah I'm having trouble finding it myself. Will - ----- Original Message ----- From: "jspellma" > I missed this, could you please re-post the original > earth shattering insults I keep reading about? > > Jim > - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 15:38:59 -0600 From: "Will Frechette" Subject: Re: [AVALON] A Perfumed Sigh I know I usually don't have too much pertinent to say, but I try and take in most of what you guys are going on about. Great stuff. This time I actually have an observation. I'm not sure if anyone else has mentioned this but in the TOTP version of Spell on APS there is a female guitarist and my friend and I though it looked an awful lot like Wendy from Wendy and Lisa of The Artist FKAP's band. You get a glimps of her in When Doves Cry. Definately playing in her style also. Anyone? OK, fine, it's just me then. and don't forward this to the list you cockup. Will - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 16:12:22 -0600 From: "Will Frechette" Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] this and that I haven't heard from him in quite a while and I don't want to encourage him. Will - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Gregory" > perhaps you could enlist PEA_NUT's expository powers...... > > ______________________________________________ > Eric S. Gregory > IVR Assistant > -----Original Message----- > From: Will Frechette [mailto:will@execpc.com] > Heather don't tell me I need to explain this. > > > Will > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Heather Buch" > > > > > eh? > > > > ---- On Mon, 14 Feb 2000, Will Frechette (will@execpc.com) > > wrote: > > > > > They make something for that..oh yeah...duct tape. > > > > > > Will - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 08:33:04 -0500 From: ecwoods@mindspring.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: list--please read According to Colleen, the haphazard server (or whatever rund the list) worked in my favor, as it seemed to leave no trace of the message in question. But it _did_ show up on the list yesterday with "Re:" in front of my original subject. So I know it's not the message I sent David. But everything is worked out now. As far as I can tell, it was an honest mistake. All is forgiven, I hope. Let's just leave it at that. Sorry for the confusion-- Crystal > Yeah I'm having trouble finding it myself. > > Will > -------------------- > To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail > majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 16:34:13 -0600 From: "Will Frechette" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Covers, Neil etc I've got a sweet Town Car sort of a platinum silverish greyish goldish with navy leather interior. Sweet! Will - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ivor Canning" > Hi Johnny, > Anyway, what's all this about a Cadillac ?...as a fully paid up member of > the 'For Your Pleasure' appreciation society, I have to say nothing less > than a Lincoln Continental will do for me (the chauffeur might be a tad > expensive, though !!) > Regards, > > Ive. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Johnny Reece > > Reecey (with no Car, because he eventually bought his own record shop > > instead, though secretly wants a Cadillac). - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 17:27:03 -0500 From: Heather Buch Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] this and that - --_uReach_com_26916734995065362315187xxx_ Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit eh? ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number - Free Free voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag - ---- On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, Will Frechette (will@execpc.com) wrote: > I haven't heard from him in quite a while and I don't want to > encourage > him. > > Will > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eric Gregory" > > > > perhaps you could enlist PEA_NUT's expository powers...... > > > > ______________________________________________ > > Eric S. Gregory > > IVR Assistant > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Will Frechette [mailto:will@execpc.com] > > > Heather don't tell me I need to explain this. > > > > > > Will > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Heather Buch" > > > > > > > > eh? > > > > > > ---- On Mon, 14 Feb 2000, Will Frechette (will@execpc.com) > > > wrote: > > > > > > > They make something for that..oh yeah...duct tape. > > > > > > > > Will > > > > > > -------------------- > To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail > majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > - --_uReach_com_26916734995065362315187xxx_-- - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 17:29:23 -0500 From: Heather Buch Subject: [AVALON] lyrics - --_uReach_com_26916734995065376315862xxx_ Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I really like the "shake your head girl with your ponytail" thing. I also like "career girl cover, exposed and another slips right into view" I used to think it was "Korea girl cover, exposed undercover slips right into you" Heather (still singing along) ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number - Free Free voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag - --_uReach_com_26916734995065376315862xxx_-- - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 23:04:18 +0000 From: Bahi Para Subject: [AVALON] Chained and Bound Sophie B. Hawkins (a twice-a-year topic on this list) included the phrase 'chained and bound' in Damn, I Wish I was Your Lover. Which she or her record company once said she wrote straight after after being sacked from Ferry's tour band. The story seems to have changed somewhat. In her own words: "I get residuals, I get in the union, and I get another call. "It's Bryan Ferry from London. I had never been further away from NYC then Cape Cod. He wants me to audition for his upcoming tour, and my demo tape is playing in the background of his limousine. It's a song called "Meet Me On The Rooftop." What does he want me to play on this damn tour? Maybe percussion, some drums, how about singing a few backgrounds? "I run out and get all of his other albums--I only had AVALON--and arrange vibraphone and marimba parts for all of his songs, figuring that's going to be my most original contribution. I spend 12 hours a day practicing for this gig. I show up in a Laura Ashley dress with my hair up and he tells Andy Newmark that I remind him of Maggie Thatcher. "He keeps me on for two months, gives me a bonus, then politely fires me." B - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 23:05:07 +0000 From: Bahi Para Subject: Re: [AVALON] Don't blame Neil - long post alert ! Martin Stockman wrote: >all this talk of complexity - lyrics, subtext - disguises the fact >that [Boys and Girls] is quite an accessible album. Lovely warm >melodies, wonderful performances and succulent vocals. This wasn't a >disc that rock academia pored over. Whenever I reached a Sloane >Ranger's inner sanctum in those perfumed eighties there was B&G, >unsleeved, beside the chardonnay and the discarded cashmere, the >string of pearls.... A testiment to what simple >pleasures that vinyl contained. You're right but you've just described one of Sting's solo records. Fine on the radio, but it needs to stay off the turntable. So halfway through Don't Stop the Dance, I found myself thinking: what a *waste* of time, money and talent. It took a while for things to get good. (It was Windswept that first did its thing.) So what I should have said (instead of "music needs to be easier for me these days") is "the things that make an album interesting need to be a little more obvious now". (Not something to be proud of - it's age or lack of time or a general increase in shallowness and complacency. Whatever.) If an album is just bland and warm, it gets given away or put away. I've tried too many of them. B - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 14:06:20 -0900 From: Karen Roth Subject: RE: [AVALON] lyrics Okay, I'll have to say that from "Dance Away", I too think that "dressed to kill, but guess who's dying" is a great line. I also like from Angel Eyes, "you never close, who's got the time" I also like Bryan's voice best in "Angel Eyes". His voice is very rich and strong. By the way, here's a little tidbit that only you bad boys may know: I've heard from a reliable source that "Angel Eyes" is a popular tune with strippers for their routines. And welcome to the list Crystal (what a grand entrance you made!!) I like your spunk. You didn't say anything bad about me in that mystery letter did you? Yes, Kicki, the ER guy is very handsome. Karen - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 23:27:25 -0000 From: "Richard Swift" Subject: Re: [AVALON] 23 June Robert - As far as I can see you're right - the tickets haven't yet gone on sale. The answering machine seems to indicate postal applications will be dealt with first and these are also invited at the relevant website so i have sent a cheque. There's no formal seating so it shouldn't make any difference at what stage you get a ticket - so long as you do! Richard - ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Whiteford Subject: Re: [AVALON] 23 June > Can someone put my mind at rest by telling me they haven't got tickets for > this yet ? > The box office isn't open until end February. Or am just ringing the wrong > number? - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 18:27:40 EST From: RODEISLRED@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Stung In a message dated 2/15/00 11:08:39 PM, bahi@macnet.co.uk writes: >>You're right but you've just described one of Sting's solo records. Fine on the radio, but it needs to stay off the turntable >> Don't know why, but this really got me, Bahi. Ha ha - --Red - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 15:27:52 -0800 (PST) From: Noam Bronstein Subject: Re: [AVALON] Chained and Bound Sophie must have had a run of bad luck (karma, whatever). I ordered the '92 Dylan tribute concert video, in part for her sizzlingly sensual performance of "I Want You", which I'd seen when this aired on tv. (this is the show where part of MSG loudly booed Sinead O'Connor for her stand on catholicism and abortion) Well the video arrived many weeks later at a ridiculous cost, and with Sophie B. neatly chopped from the final cut. Must have been too over-the-top for the producers... or else, Dylan hated it I suppose. Noam p.s. trivia: if I remember (I gave the tape to my brother) you can spot another background-singer-wannabe-star on that video - Sheryl Crow. - --- Bahi Para wrote: > Sophie B. Hawkins (a twice-a-year topic on this list) included the ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 23:08:37 -0000 From: "Robert Whiteford" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Mock & Roll Or indeed any man at all - eh Red ? - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 15 February 2000 17:21 Subject: [AVALON] Mock & Roll > Crystal-- > > Never trust a man who sports a signature bigger than most people's posts, > especially if his name is 'Mock.' > > --Red > > > > > -------------------- > To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail > majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 23:03:11 -0000 From: "Robert Whiteford" Subject: Re: [AVALON] lyrics Well I remember at least one interview where someone whose names escapes me but who was editorial director of Conde Nast said of his friend Bryan "He keeps the place where he gets his lyrics from very private and necessarily so " - or something like that. So artistic licence or not it's fair to say Ferry must carry more than his fair share of demons - and some his lyrics must come from them. "Treasure so rare that even devils might care " - ----- Original Message ----- From: KB Porter To: Sent: 15 February 2000 18:32 Subject: Re: [AVALON] lyrics > > Is his pathos really as serious as his lyrics suggest? Or is it a > partial put-on. I hate to think he is in such a dark state of mind: The > apparent pain, alone, suggested by his lyrics is excruciating. kbp > > > > > -------------------- > To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail > majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 18:35:47 -0500 From: "Victor Hastings" Subject: Re: [AVALON] lyrics it's bandwagon time.... "continental style strasse girls might/but you know exactly if it's wrong or right" "where my studebaker takes me/that's where i'll make my stand" "diamonds may be yours to spend/but like laughter after tears i'll follow you to the end" "rather nouveau than never" "when you long for what you don't have/it's why you live and die" - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 23:41:15 -0000 From: "Robert Whiteford" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Don't blame Neil - Boys and Girls The original message contained references to B&G not selling well and not being well received. But this was a number 1 LP and sold brilliantly , especially considering it was a Ferry solo on the back of the Avalon success. This isn't to be underrated , just look at how Mick Jaggers solo efforts have done on the back of Stones no 1 LP's. No platinum sales for Mick. B&G was 3 years after avalon and so Ferry had to sell himself as a solo force. And he did so with Slave to Love reaching 10 in the uk chart - I bet it's played as often as any other Ferry track on vh1 to this day. Everyone knows it and it helped the album to no1 . Although not as accesible as Roxy 's avalon this was clearly a class album, it's brilliance only slightly mixed back under the surface. Evident after a few plays but insistent enough to not bore you after 5000 plays. Not least of the cool rulers trouble now is that he always wants to do better. But can even he do better than the souless perfection of B&G's. ? Every performance scraped within an inch of it's life. I reckon he knows he can't. In an NME interview of the time "The Art of Poise" - Ferry claimed he wanted to make his "meisterwerk". Look at the profiles of the avalon list members - his most committed fans. Look just how many say B&G is his best solo album. It wasn't B&G that wasn't well received by the public, it was Bete Noire with time wasters like The Name of the Game and Day for Night. 5 minutes plus for no good reason. And Seven Deadly Sins. Rob - ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin Stockman To: Sent: 15 February 2000 08:21 Subject: Re: [AVALON] Don't blame Neil - long post alert > > > ---------- > > I'm very surprised by this observation Bahi. Your analysis of B&G was, as > ever, superb, and you may recall my appreciation of the title track echoed > your comments on death : I still think it's a lament to the pit-pony man. > > ...But for me all this talk of complexity - lyrics, subtext - disguises the > fact that this is quite an accessible album. Lovely warm melodies, wonderful > performances and succulent vocals. This wasn't a disc that rock academia > pored over. Whenever I reached a Sloane Ranger's inner sanctum in those > perfumed eighties there was B&G, unsleeved, beside the chardonnay and the > discarded cashmere, the string of pearls.... A testiment to what simple > pleasures that vinyl contained. > > Martinet > > > > > -------------------- > To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail > majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 19:00:46 EST From: JObinv01@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] lyrics In a message dated 15/02/00 23:37:52 GMT Standard Time, vhastings@worldnet.att.net writes: << "diamonds may be yours to spend/but like laughter after tears i'll follow you to the end" >> isn't this diamonds may be your best friend/but like laughter after tears I'll follow you to the end" J.O'B. - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 16:03:48 -0800 From: William Sommers Subject: RE: [AVALON] lyrics At 02:06 PM 2/15/00 -0900, Karen Roth wrote: > By the way, here's a little tidbit that only you bad boys may know: > I've heard from a reliable source that "Angel Eyes" is a popular > tune with strippers for their routines. Both versions even. -wfs (uh, I was just doing research... no wait, read it somewhere... I mean, according to a friend of an acquaintance of a complete stranger my doppelganger once encountered... yeah, that's it. *whew*) - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 16:09:44 -0800 (PST) From: Noam Bronstein Subject: Re: [AVALON] Don't blame Neil - Boys and Girls Yes most of us can agree B&G is Ferry's best album, and I love reading these kind of posts, but these glorious praises of immortality for B&G raise a few alarm bells for me. As great as an album like B&G is, it's still a laboriously crafted, manufactured work of the studio. Which doesn't make it less of an accomplishment... but if we're talking about 'perfection' that can never be repeated... it would seem to me that Ferry's *greatest* legacy would be his live performances. That's just my 2 cents, and I haven't watched him nearly as closely or as long as most of you. I just feel Ferry touches more people, in a more profound way in concert. (I have many thoughts on this/reasons for saying this, but I'll leave it at that) Noam ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 21:15:24 EST From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] lyrics In a message dated 02/15/2000 6:11:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, kroth@pacak.com writes: << I also like from Angel Eyes, "you never close, who's got the time" I also like Bryan's voice best in "Angel Eyes". His voice is very rich and strong. >> In the "disco" version, which is now the standard, is the original rhythm section playing or is it just drum machine? I assume Manzanera and McKay are in there too besides our Bryan. In other words, was this redone by the whole band or is this just a remix with Bryan adding the yodelling? Arnie - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 20:34:38 -0600 From: Jim Rosencutter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Don't blame Neil - long post alert ! Bahi Para wrote: > > So what I should have said (instead of "music needs to be easier for > me these days") is "the things that make an album interesting need to > be a little more obvious now". (Not something to be proud of - it's > age or lack of time or a general increase in shallowness and > complacency. Whatever.) If an album is just bland and warm, it gets > given away or put away. I've tried too many of them. > I am the same way, and I don't think it is just a sign of getting older. Listening to music today is different that it was BCD (before CDs). You had your vinyl album, 40 to 50 minutes long, two different sides. When listening to an album, you could choose between sides depending on your mood. Artists could give the album a feel or make a statement with their choices for opening and closing tracks for each side. Twenty minutes or so to listen to a side of an album, then on to another one. With CDs, you get (often) 70 minutes of continuous music. It's too much of a commitment for me to sit through an entire CD. I often stop listening halfway through. Theoretically, one could start playing a CD halfway through the middle, but it still isn't the same as putting on side two of a vinyl album. Then there is the prices. Hell, I was never rich, but I still accumulated over 4000 albums (and probably sold or trashed just as many). One could take a $4 or $5 chance on something new, but I have been burned by too many $15 mediocre CDs to the point that I rarely by anything anymore (and then, it is usually a reissue or compilation). Or maybe I've indeed become a boring old fart. - -------------------- To disentangle yourself from these bickering numbnuts, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V5 #56 *************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest