From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V5 #41 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, February 9 2000 Volume 05 : Number 041 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Other musicians ["Simon Galloway" ] [AVALON] Bowie covers Roxy ["Simon Galloway" ] Re: [AVALON] Re: Ferry Box IDEAS ["Martin Stockman" ] RE: [AVALON] Strong Enough [Jocelyn Fiske ] [AVALON] RE: [ABALONE] Re: Ferry Box IDEAS [Terry Lane ] Re: [AVALON] Strong Enough ["Martin Stockman" ] Re: [AVALON] Strong Enough ["mark shanahan" ] Re: [AVALON] Strong Enough ["Angel Colon" ] RE: [AVALON] Re: Ferry Box IDEAS ["mark shanahan" ] RE: Re: [AVALON] Strong Enough ["Turner, Chris (cturner)" ] Re: Re: [AVALON] Strong Enough [Heather Buch ] Re: Re: [AVALON] Strong Enough ["mark shanahan" ] RE: [AVALON] Ferry box ["Ujvary, Richard A." ] Re: [AVALON] Re: Ferry Box IDEAS ["Martin Stockman" ] RE: [AVALON] Re: Ferry Box IDEAS [S.J.Batie@open.ac.uk] Re: [AVALON] Re: Ferry Box IDEAS [Colleen Matan Subject: [AVALON] Other musicians Back in 1998 I was told by one of my colleagues at Jazz FM who used to know Bryan in the 70s (he was a tour manager, but not for Roxy) that he was writing and recording with the jazz musician Julian Joseph, trying to get back to a more structured/classic form of songwriting. Joseph and his brother came in to Jazz FM last summer promoting his Duke Ellington tribute concert, and when asked about the collaboration with Bryan (off air) he pulled a face, and his brother said that it was better best forgotten. When ATGB came out I was expecting to see Joseph's name on it, being a jazz pianist and all, but he's not mentioned anywhere. But maybe it was these writing sessions that inspired Bryan to investigate the songs that he did for ATGB. That's my theory anyway. SimonG >>> 02/08 10:26 pm >>> some one asked about the tie up between Dave Stewart & Bryan Ferry. Bryan has written and recorded 6 songs with DS. One of the songs is called Love War. I have an interview with Bryan some where that mentions this. I have also got from several interviews etc with Bryan and other artists that during the sessions from Horoscope/Mamouna and the other unreleased stuff, he has worked with :- Edwin Collins, Bernard Butler, Bjork and some others I can't remember off the top of my head, and some of the 1988 tour band who have never been on his records before ie:- Jeff Thall, Luigio Hopper (thanked on Mamouna). Has anyone picked up on any other musicians working with him???? J.O'B. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 09:57:11 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] Bowie covers Roxy >>> Rod Le Cloux 02/09 5:08 am >>> >mark shanahan wrote: > btw, i can't see bowie covering anything roxy -- bowie/tin machine - > whatever. too bizarre to even comtemplate;... >Actually, one glam rocker covering another glam rocker is not that much >of a stretch. I would think something like the Nine Inch Nails covering >a Roxy song would better qualify as 'bizarre'. I think I may have mentioned before that Bowie planned to cover LadyTron for Pin-Ups, until he decided on an actual concept for the album. And the first time I heard Tin Machine do ITIS I didn't recognise it until the "when you were young" part near the end. Personally, I think they took a sledgehammer approach to it, but it's still quite funny to think that Bowie has covered Ferry. SimonG - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 10:24:47 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Ferry Box IDEAS - ---------- >From: JObinv01@aol.com > > Another idea if it's only a 4 CD box set with disc 4 being rarities is maybe > we can ask Bryan to let us choose the rarities track listing. A charming idea Jock but never underestimate the Maestro's compulsion to control all areas of his product. Delegation was never his strong suit. I think "Sensation" would make an excellent title however. Martini Congratulations to Inverness Thistle by the way. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 10:33:11 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] A box of blood In an ideal world we'd get the rarities box that we all desire, but something like that would not be justified by a BIG record company. And there probably aren't that many worthy outtakes to be used anyway. All the non-album tracks, plus a couple of previously unreleased tracks in amongst the best of Bryan's solo output would be enough to tempt me to buy it. Someone mentioned Pete Townshend's "Scoop" collections which are excellent, but Townshend is a completely different artist to Bryan with different working methods, and I doubt that Bryan would record complete demos at home playing all the instruments himself. One example of what a bore an all rarities set can be is the Beatles "Anthology" series which were flabby and over indulgent IMHO. As much as I love the Fab Four (always have, always will) I just found the content didn't coherently present how creative they were. And also the marketing of it really pissed me off with all that "Free As A Turd" rubbish. Out of six dics, there's only about 2 hours of decent stuff. The best way for Bryan to peddle his rarities is with mail order/internet only releases. That way, anyone who really cares and wants them (i.e. US) will get them. Phil Manzanera is a shining example of how to cater for fans, and Pete Townshend has just started doing a similar thing. Maybe with the upcoming release of Valentine, NMC can secure more Roxy rarities and get them out like they have for Mick Ronson, Marc Bolan and Ronnie Laine (amongst others). But whatever Virgin release, there will be an element of disappointment because there's one eye and both hands on the money!!! SimonG - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 11:01:14 -0000 From: Jocelyn Fiske Subject: RE: [AVALON] Strong Enough Lloyd Watson also turned up as support to Sharks and Roxy on the early 1973 tour. Saw this Bowie tour at Newcastle City Hall (minus Roxy unfortunately) and still vividly remember Five Years and Moonage Daydream as the encore. Fab times. Jocelyn. - -----Original Message----- From: eRacerX [mailto:eracerx@mindspring.com] Sent: 09 February 2000 06:55 To: eRacerX; avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Strong Enough - ----- Original Message ----- From: "eRacerX > Roxy Music: Rock band lead by Bryan Ferry and including Brian Eno which > played support at the UK Ziggy Stardust concert at the Rainbow Theatre, > London on 19 August 1972. I guess It's true... http://www.5years.com/raincon.htm - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 11:04:07 -0000 From: Terry Lane Subject: [AVALON] RE: [ABALONE] Re: Ferry Box IDEAS I agree with youth final track listing will come from Bryan himself remember when Bowie was planning his greatest hits tour in 1990,you called a number to register what song you wanted him to include in the set,the song with the most votes would make it.Do you think this would work with this project?? For a name how about "Rock of Ages" Terry From a Rangers fan - well done to Inverness Thistle. - -----Original Message----- From: Martin Stockman [mailto:martinstockman@btinternet.com] Sent: 09 February 2000 09:25 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Ferry Box IDEAS - ---------- >From: JObinv01@aol.com > > Another idea if it's only a 4 CD box set with disc 4 being rarities is maybe > we can ask Bryan to let us choose the rarities track listing. A charming idea Jock but never underestimate the Maestro's compulsion to control all areas of his product. Delegation was never his strong suit. I think "Sensation" would make an excellent title however. Martini Congratulations to Inverness Thistle by the way. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 11:06:32 -0000 From: Jocelyn Fiske Subject: RE: [AVALON] Strong Enough - -----Original Message----- From: erik simpson [mailto:erikrs@home.com] > From: David Neuhaus > Siouxsie & The Banshees did a passable cover of "Sea Breezes" on their > "Through the Looking Glass" album, I'd love to see Portishead cover In Every Dreamhome. What fantasy cover would all you fun lovers out there pay good money for? Jocelyn - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 11:32:16 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Strong Enough - ---------- >From: Jocelyn Fiske > > I'd love to see Portishead cover In Every Dreamhome. > What fantasy cover would all you fun lovers out there pay good money for? > > Jocelyn I've always wanted Bryan to cover "I'm not the man I used to be" by Fine Young Cannibals. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 06:40:11 EST From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Ferry Box IDEAS In a message dated 02/08/2000 5:16:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, JObinv01@aol.com writes: << The box set could be a 4 CD set like TTOIL with a 4th CD containing non album tracks. This way the standard of the box set would be high. Any unreleased rarities that would be interesting to us, but not to less avid fans, could be put on a 5th & 6th CD that was available by sending a token that is only available inside the box set with an additional £12-£15 to Virgin or whoever. >> Kind of like the optional 3rd and 4th cds in King Crimson's "Epitaph" release. Or maybe Bryan could consult with Fripp and get Discipline to release his rarities stuff. Oh, if we only had a Collector's Club like King Crimson does. Arnie - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 04:28:56 -0800 From: "Turner, Chris (cturner)" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: Ferry Box IDEAS Some Observations... Let's not underestimate market forces. TTOIA was the highest selling box set in Virgin's history, and part of that sales appeal was the trade off between a well rounded career retrospective, superb packaging, and a selection of rareish material (albeit none of it unobtainable elsewhere). As analysis of the Ferry oeuvre finds it a little thinner on hits than Roxy's, and with a greater dependency on 'ready-mades', the sales emphasis of a Ferry box set might well be towards putting out the rarer material, and unlike Roxy, there really must be some out there. For example to my knowledge, there are still six outtakes from ATGB, a one-off Whatever Gets You Through The Night, Dance With Life (never formally available in the UK, remember) and a number of collaborative efforts in various states of readiness. Finally if there is to be marketing support for this box set, it makes the already unlikely prospect of a new album release this year even less probable as promoting two products at once is surely inadvisable. The Dave Stewart material has already been in the can for three years and, if he is to help promote it's release, will have to find suitable space in his crowded career, made more so by the Eurythmcs renaissance. And remember that BF is going to be on the road until the summer, and may not be enthused enough to start another round of promotional appearances. It's frustrating that there is material out there but those of us who have followed Ferry for a long time will well know that patience is a virtue, and that we are expected to be the most virtuous fans of all. Regards Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: ASchulberg@aol.com [SMTP:ASchulberg@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 11:40 AM > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Ferry Box IDEAS > > In a message dated 02/08/2000 5:16:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, > JObinv01@aol.com writes: > > << The box set could be a 4 CD set like TTOIL with a 4th CD containing non > album > tracks. This way the standard of the box set would be high. Any unreleased > > rarities that would be interesting to us, but not to less avid fans, could > > be > put on a 5th & 6th CD that was available by sending a token that is only > available inside the box set with an additional £12-£15 to Virgin or > whoever. >> > > Kind of like the optional 3rd and 4th cds in King Crimson's "Epitaph" > release. Or maybe Bryan could consult with Fripp and get Discipline to > release his rarities stuff. Oh, if we only had a Collector's Club like King > > Crimson does. > > Arnie > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 22:20:46 +0900 From: "NIM-DQK10206" Subject: Re: [AVALON] '76 Stockholm Show Hi, Japanese videos are NTSC not PAL, same as ones in USA. yuko > Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 10:40:54 +0000 > From: "Simon Galloway" > Subject: Re: [AVALON] '76 Stockholm Show > > In times like these you need http://www.xe.net/ucc/ > > And I think Japan videos are PAL, but I've never bought one off them, so don't quote me on that. And that price is around $B!W(B20 UK. > > >>> Kicki Gustafsson 02/08 3:25 am >>> > >A Japanese website that sells not totally legal items has a 60 minute > >video for sale of the Stockholm show. They've also got a 40 minute > >Musicladen video, and a 45 minute video of Bryan live in Japan 1977. > > > >http://www.cd-gold.co.jp/ > > > >Just thought you'd like to know. > > > >SimonG > > But how much is 3500 yen?!?? And what kind of VCR is required - European or > American??? > > /Stunned in Sweden - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 05:07:23 PST From: "mark shanahan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Strong Enough rod wrote: >Actually, one glam rocker covering another glam rocker is not that much of >a stretch. I would think something like the Nine Inch Nails covering a >Roxy song would better qualify as 'bizarre'. hi rod - yes, i agree (re: one 'glam rocker' covering another). well, to my mind ... i see bowie & ferry as contemporaries of a sort, with a bit in common personally (which ends at a specific point). for me, though -- just too much of the apples vs. oranges thing going there. i can't see it going vice versa ... and i like bowie, er, well i used to ... peaces/ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 08:49:16 -0500 From: "Angel Colon" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Strong Enough I dunno about that! I could easly see Trent Reznor covering "Strictly Confidential"...just psychotic enough for him! Angel - -----Original Message----- From: Rod Le Cloux To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Strong Enough >Actually, one glam rocker covering another glam rocker is not that much >of a stretch. I would think something like the Nine Inch Nails covering >a Roxy song would better qualify as 'bizarre'. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 05:44:38 PST From: "mark shanahan" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: Ferry Box IDEAS chris t. wrote: >[snip] it makes the already unlikely prospect of a new album release this >year even less probable as promoting two products at once is surely >inadvisable. The Dave Stewart material has already been in the can for >three years and, if he is to help promote it's release, will have to find >suitable space in his crowded career, made more so by the Eurythmcs >renaissance. And remember that BF is going to be on the road until the >summer, and may not be enthused enough to start another round of >promotional appearances. oh, yeah. there is just NO way there's any 'new' material coming out this year, save *possibly* any boxed set thing. i don't even think i need to offer to eat my hat, were there a release of originals this year; it ain't happenin' ... i have to say (for the boxed set), 'sensation' isn't bad as far as names go. or what about, 'all i want is you' OR the price could be jacked up and the title could be either, 'bitters end' or 'cry, cry, cry' ... btw, has anyone actually purchased anything from this japanese site that simon discovered? anyone know of their reputation? peaces/ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 08:48:19 -0500 From: Heather Buch Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] Strong Enough - --_uReach_com_26916734995010409924924xxx_ Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Speaking of covers, is that "Dreamhome Heartaches" that was produced by John Taylor the only album of Roxy covers, or did I hear someone mention another one yesterday? Heather Mark, I agree with you about Bowie and Ferry as "apples and oranges," and the incestuousness of the glam-rock thing. Mott the Hoople, T-Rex, Bowie, and Ferry. It seemed like they were all in the same little club or something. Perfect example, "All the Young Dudes," written by Bowie, covered by Mott the Hoople, and which mentions T-Rex!: Well Billy rapped all night about his suicide How he kick it in the head when he was twenty-five Speed jive don't want to stay alive When you're twenty-five And Wendy's stealing clothes from Marks and Sparks And Freedy's got spots from ripping off the stars from his face Funky little boat race Television man is crazy saying we're juvenile deliquent wrecks Oh man I need TV when I got T Rex Oh brother you guessed I'm a dude dad All the young dudes (Hey dudes) Carry the news (Where are ya) Boogaloo dudes (Stand up Come on) Carry the news All the young dudes (I want to hear you) Carry the news (I want to see you) Boogaloo dudes (And I want to talk to you all of you) Carry the news Now Lucy looks sweet cause he dresses like a queen But he can kick like a mule it's a real mean team But we can love oh yes we can love And my brother's back at home with his Beatles and his Stones We never got it off on that revolution stuff What a drag too many snags Now I've drunk a lot of wine and I'm feeling fine Got to race some cat to bed Oh is there concrete all around Or is it in my head Yeah I'm a dude dad All the young dudes (Hey dudes) Carry the news (Where are ya) Boogaloo dudes (Stand up) Carry the news All the young dudes (I want to hear ya) Carry the news (I want to see you) Boogaloo dudes (And I want to relate to you) Carry the news All the young dudes (What dudes) Carry the news (Let's hear the news come on) Boogaloo dudes (I want to kick you) Carry the news All the young dudes (Hey you there with the glasses) Carry the news (I want you) Boogaloo dudes (I want you at the front) Carry the news (Now you all his friends) All the young dudes (Now you bring him down cause I want him) Carry the news Boogaloo dudes (I want him right here bring him come on) Carry the news (Bring him here you go) All the young dudes (I've wanted to do this for years) Carry the news (There you go) Boogaloo dudes (How do you feel) Carry the news ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number - Free Free voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag - ---- On Wed, 09 Feb 2000, mark shanahan (m_shanahan@hotmail.com) wrote: > > rod wrote: > > >Actually, one glam rocker covering another glam rocker is not that much > of > >a stretch. I would think something like the Nine Inch Nails covering a > > >Roxy song would better qualify as 'bizarre'. > > hi rod - yes, i agree (re: one 'glam rocker' covering another). well, > to my > mind ... i see bowie & ferry as contemporaries of a sort, with a bit in > common personally (which ends at a specific point). for me, though -- > just > too much of the apples vs. oranges thing going there. i can't see it > going > vice versa ... and i like bowie, er, well i used to ... > > peaces/ms > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > - --_uReach_com_26916734995010409924924xxx_-- - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 05:55:12 -0800 From: "Turner, Chris (cturner)" Subject: RE: Re: [AVALON] Strong Enough Hi Heather There are three Roxy tribute albums to my knowledge, Dreamhome Heartaches on B5 records, which I understand has been re-released due to demand, More For Your Pleasure, on Dressed To Kill Records (cheap and cheesy!) and a Japanese comp that came out a while back which I think from memory was called Love Is The Drug, but I've never seen a copy although I have seen them on sale at $50+. Cheers Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: Heather Buch [SMTP:hpropes@ureach.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 1:48 PM > To: mark shanahan > Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] Strong Enough > > > Speaking of covers, is that "Dreamhome Heartaches" that was > produced by John Taylor the only album of Roxy covers, or did I > hear someone mention another one yesterday? > > Heather > > Mark, I agree with you about Bowie and Ferry as "apples and > oranges," and the incestuousness of the glam-rock thing. Mott > the Hoople, T-Rex, Bowie, and Ferry. It seemed like they were > all in the same little club or something. > > Perfect example, "All the Young Dudes," written by Bowie, > covered by Mott the Hoople, and which mentions T-Rex!: > > Well Billy rapped all night about his suicide > How he kick it in the head when he was twenty-five > Speed jive don't want to stay alive > When you're twenty-five > And Wendy's stealing clothes from Marks and Sparks > And Freedy's got spots from ripping off the stars > from his face > Funky little boat race > Television man is crazy saying we're juvenile > deliquent wrecks > Oh man I need TV when I got T Rex > Oh brother you guessed > I'm a dude dad > All the young dudes (Hey dudes) > Carry the news (Where are ya) > Boogaloo dudes (Stand up Come on) > Carry the news > All the young dudes (I want to hear you) > Carry the news (I want to see you) > Boogaloo dudes (And I want to talk to you all of > you) > Carry the news > > Now Lucy looks sweet cause he dresses like a queen > But he can kick like a mule it's a real mean team > But we can love oh yes we can love > And my brother's back at home with his Beatles and > his Stones > We never got it off on that revolution stuff > What a drag too many snags > Now I've drunk a lot of wine and I'm feeling fine > Got to race some cat to bed > Oh is there concrete all around > Or is it in my head > Yeah > I'm a dude dad > All the young dudes (Hey dudes) > Carry the news (Where are ya) > Boogaloo dudes (Stand up) > Carry the news > All the young dudes (I want to hear ya) > Carry the news (I want to see you) > Boogaloo dudes (And I want to relate to you) > Carry the news > All the young dudes (What dudes) > > Carry the news (Let's hear the news come on) > Boogaloo dudes (I want to kick you) > Carry the news > All the young dudes (Hey you there with the > glasses) > Carry the news (I want you) > Boogaloo dudes (I want you at the front) > Carry the news (Now you all his friends) > All the young dudes (Now you bring him down cause I > want him) > Carry the news > Boogaloo dudes (I want him right here bring him > come on) > Carry the news (Bring him here you go) > All the young dudes (I've wanted to do this for > years) > Carry the news (There you go) > Boogaloo dudes (How do you feel) > Carry the news > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > Get your own "800" number - Free > Free voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more > http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag > > > ---- On Wed, 09 Feb 2000, mark shanahan (m_shanahan@hotmail.com) > wrote: > > > > > rod wrote: > > > > >Actually, one glam rocker covering another glam rocker is not > that much > > of > > >a stretch. I would think something like the Nine Inch Nails > covering a > > > > >Roxy song would better qualify as 'bizarre'. > > > > hi rod - yes, i agree (re: one 'glam rocker' covering > another). well, > > to my > > mind ... i see bowie & ferry as contemporaries of a sort, with > a bit in > > common personally (which ends at a specific point). for me, > though -- > > just > > too much of the apples vs. oranges thing going there. i can't > see it > > going > > vice versa ... and i like bowie, er, well i used to ... > > > > peaces/ms > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------- > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > > > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 08:59:19 -0500 From: Heather Buch Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] Strong Enough - --_uReach_com_26916734995010475926837xxx_ Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I love Mudhoney! Saw them numerous times in '91-'92 (or was it '92-93) while I was at UCLA. I think Mark Arm is a sex god!!! But more to the point, the cover of the Roxy song sounds really interesting. I shall check it out. I always like to hear about one of my favorite bands covering another favorite. Thanks Erik. Speaking of incestuous musical relationships - I always thought the Cramps/Gun Club/Nick Cave thing was terribly incestuous. I mean, maybe it was just because Kid Congo Powers linked them all (not to mention Die Haut, and was he in Crime and the City Solution too?). And speaking of Nick Cave, we can't forget "Kicking Against The Pricks," a *great* covers album. But as for Bryan Ferry covers, I'd like to see Momus (aka Nick Currie) cover "Bitters End." Ciao, Heather > > Having been offline more often than not in recent times, I don't know if > this has been mentioned or not, but Mudhoney just put out a 2 disc best > of/rarities set for the price of one disc, with their punky, fuzztone > garage band version of "Editions of You" closing disc 2. Probably won't > be universally adored by one and all in Avalonia, but I like it OK. Put > it in context with the other bands they cover on the rarities disc > (Black Flag, Suicide, the Damned, Motorhead, Elvis Costello & the > Attractions, etc.) to get an idea of where thet are coming from. > Probably NOT for everyone, though. > > As to the Siouxsee set, "TTLG" is one of my favorite "covers" albums. > (Sometimes a "covers" album can be a real mixed bag.) Another one that I > like a lot is the Church's "Box of Birds" from last year, even though > the promised covers of "In Every Dreamhome, A Heartache" and the > Velvets' "Venus In Furs" (among others) apparently never made it past > the planning stages. It DOES include fine versions of Iggy's "Endless > Sea", Television's "Friction", Alex Harvey's "Faith Healer", Kevin > Ayer's "Decadence", Ultravox' "Hiroshima Mon Amour", and Mott's/Bowie's > "All the Young Dudes", among others. > > Be well. Bye; > > Erik S > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number - Free Free voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag - --_uReach_com_26916734995010475926837xxx_-- - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 09:00:19 -0500 From: Heather Buch Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] Strong Enough - --_uReach_com_26916734995010481927111xxx_ Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit She really loves Roxy, doesn't she? She also covered "Mother of Pearl." Heather ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number - Free Free voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag - ---- On Tue, 08 Feb 2000, jspellma (jspellman@banet.net) wrote: > The Tin Machine cover was terrible IMO, as was everything > else they did. I'm a big fan of Bowie, but not that era. > > My favorite cover of Roxy was Concrete Blonde's version > of "End of the Line". I think PT played drums on it, whoever > their singer is, she has a great voice. > > Jim > > Heather Buch wrote: > > > Tin Machine covered *that*!!??? I had no idea. They must have > > been feeling gutsy that day. But then again if Bauhaus can > > cover "Ziggy Stardust" (and do a decent job of it).... > > > > Has anyone heard a cover of a Roxy Music song that they > > actually like? I admit that I like Grace Jones's version > > of "Love Is The Drug." a lot. > > > > Heather > > > > ________________________________________________ > > Get your own "800" number - Free > > Free voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more > > http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag > > > > ---- On Tue, 8 Feb 2000, Ivor Canning (ivor.canning@cwcom.net) > > wrote: > > > > > ...who covered (or murdered, depending on your point of > > view) 'If There > > > Is > > > Something'. See, all roads do lead to Roxy...S8^) > > > > > > Ive. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 8:47 PM > > > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Strong Enough > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 02/07/2000 12:47:49 PM Eastern Standard > > Time, > > > > Richard.A.Ujvary@abc.com writes: > > > > > > > > << His son has played with Bowie >> > > > > > > > > Two sons (Hunt and ???) were the rhythm section of Tin > > Machine. > > > > > > > > Arnie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------- > > > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > > > unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------- > > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > > unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > - --_uReach_com_26916734995010481927111xxx_-- - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 06:02:40 PST From: "mark shanahan" Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] Strong Enough heather wrote: >Mark, I agree with you about Bowie and Ferry as "apples and >oranges," and the incestuousness of the glam-rock thing. Mott >the Hoople, T-Rex, Bowie, and Ferry. It seemed like they were >all in the same little club or something. > >Perfect example, "All the Young Dudes," written by Bowie, >covered by Mott the Hoople, and which mentions T-Rex!: yes, well -- i see roxy as a stand-out (to my mind). well, and i mean i didn't think bowie was at all like t-rex either, for example. but, where i'll listen to t-rex or bowie or whatever, it's not quite the same as roxy. i mean, could you all see ferry covering a *bowie* tune? i could double over just thinking about it. and, actually - i never thought about it (in those terms), but angel's got something there i think with reznor covering 'sc'. there's an edge to it that could work ... peaces/ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 09:28:05 -0500 From: "Ujvary, Richard A." Subject: RE: [AVALON] Ferry box You know besides giving a retrospective on an artist a boxed set usually means they're either dead literally or figuratively. Right now, Ferry seems to be still in the game. He doesn't seem like he wants to check out. Personally, I don't want him and whoever's managing him pawning off some sort of stuff like an ,er.... Zager/Evans compendium like "The Lost Years 1969-2525"- ;-) I could wait for more good stuff. Rich - -----Original Message----- From: gareth mc ginley [mailto:ginley71@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 4:27 PM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry box Jeff wrote: >Just listening to the Mott the Hoople box set and really wish Bryan would >model his somewhat after theirs.. Next to the Velvet Underground's set >this >is the way box sets should be. Rarities, Hits, and oddities...come on we >know >they are out there. I was thinking the exact same thing on Saturday whilst looking through the various Box Sets in Virgin. The Velvets box set is perfect, keeping just about everyone happy. But there seems to be this idea that just because the Roxy package was a 4cd collection that the Ferry one should follow suit. The difference is that all the Roxy rarities fitted on one disc. I'm sure all the Ferry rarities could almost fit on four discs. And I wonder if four cd's of rarities would sell better than yet another rehash of old material + some unreleased material? At the end of the day if most of the Ferry b-sides do get on this box set then we could well find ourselves paying out £50 for about half a dozen songs and therefore getting ripped off yet again. This is a chance that shouldn't be missed. I guess asking to release a box set entirely composed of rarities isn't realistic but stick out an 8cd box set (as has been done many times before) and I'd be quite willing to pay the extra £40. This material is going to be released sometime - why not now? Hope somebody in the know is listening. Regards, Gareth. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 14:34:08 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Ferry Box IDEAS - ---------- >From: "mark shanahan" > i have to say (for the boxed set), 'sensation' isn't bad as far as names go. > or what about, 'all i want is you' OR the price could be jacked up and the > title could be either, 'bitters end' or 'cry, cry, cry' ... Your suggestions are RM titles. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 14:35:15 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] Mudhoney do Editions This is available as a Windows Media Format download from (are you ready for this...) www.subpop.com/bands/mudhoney/march_to_fuzz/standard/52.html I've had a listen and it's like Iggy and The Stooges rampaging through it, and is great!!! Long live Grunge!!! I suppose this verfies Henry Rollins being a fan, and if Nirvana can cover Bowie, then Mudhoney can do Roxy. Although, I do think Roxy played it faster!!! Well worth a listen. SimonG - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:38:09 -0000 From: S.J.Batie@open.ac.uk Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: Ferry Box IDEAS bryan ferry -- the chosen one > -----Original Message----- > From: Martin Stockman [SMTP:martinstockman@btinternet.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 1:34 PM > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Ferry Box IDEAS > > > > ---------- > >From: "mark shanahan" > > i have to say (for the boxed set), 'sensation' isn't bad as far as names > go. > > or what about, 'all i want is you' OR the price could be jacked up and > the > > title could be either, 'bitters end' or 'cry, cry, cry' ... > > Your suggestions are RM titles. > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 09:46:27 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Ferry Box IDEAS On Wed, 9 Feb 2000, Martin Stockman wrote: > > or what about, 'all i want is you' OR the price could be jacked up and the > > title could be either, 'bitters end' or 'cry, cry, cry' ... > > Your suggestions are RM titles. I am, of course, unable to speak for Mr. Shanahan, but, uh, I have a sneaking suspicion that he was offering these suggestions in a facetious vein, and they should therefore probably be taken in said vein. (Mark, maybe you do need to add those smiley faces after all.) Colleen (the Pedant's Club meeting for tonight has been cancelled, by the way) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V5 #41 *************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest