From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V4 #445 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Thursday, January 6 2000 Volume 04 : Number 445 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Horoscope [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] Brand new Bride Stripped Bare CD for sale (UK) [ASchulberg@a] [AVALON] Forgot two things... [Kicki Gustafsson ] Re: [AVALON] Horoscope [=?iso-8859-1?Q?Dav=ECd?= ] Re: [AVALON] Nobel Concert - UK TV Showing [KRNCHSE@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] just a thought(Ferry/Bowie crossing paths) [KRNCHSE@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Horoscope [JObinv01@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Reply to Leadbelly Music ["mark shanahan" ] [AVALON] Ferry/Bowie [KRNCHSE@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Horoscope, Scorpio Rising [JObinv01@aol.com] [AVALON] As Time Goes By ["Tracy Connell" ] [AVALON] Referenceing music [MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty)] Re: [AVALON] Horoscope [Colleen Matan ] [AVALON] Reply to Red [MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty)] [AVALON] Red Apologizes [RODEISLRED@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Horoscope [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] Horoscope, Scorpio Rising ["mark shanahan" ] [AVALON] Red's apology [MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty)] [AVALON] Spies Like Us :) ["Skillrud, Wyndi" ] Re: [AVALON] Red Apoplexizes [Neil Ashar ] Re: [AVALON] Horoscope ["Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest" ] [AVALON] Boston CD - Who Am I Missing?? [Bruce MacQueen ] [AVALON] HANoSCope [MonquiBoy@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Red Apoplexizes [Neil Ashar ] Re: [AVALON] As Time Goes By, Horoscope and Management ["Robert Whiteford] RE: [AVALON] Bry and the Zigster [Karen Roth ] Re: [AVALON] As Time Goes By, Horoscope and Management ["Tracy Connell" <] RE: [AVALON] Bry and the Zigster [Karen Roth ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 11:43:26 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Horoscope Just gotta love Jerry Lee Lewis. Rock On! Best wishes, KBP PS. Colleen, did you post grad study at Sussex? - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 12:49:24 EST From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Brand new Bride Stripped Bare CD for sale (UK) In a message dated 01/05/2000 6:24:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, Martin.Wilkinson@tesco.net writes: << Due to a c**k up by WHSmith online, I find myself with a spare CD of Bride Stripped Bare. It's the remastered one, is still shrink wrapped, and in jewel case. Before I return it, I thought I'd give someone a chance to buy it for what it cost me - £5-50 including postage. Quite a bargain I thought! If anyone is interested, mail me off-list. >> Likewise, I have a jewel box copy of the remastered Avalon, still shrink wrapped. Can't remember what it cost but I think $14 will suffice. I'll pick up postage. Any takers contact me off-list. Arnie - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:48:19 +0800 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: [AVALON] Forgot two things... 1) The total number of uploaded profiles is now: 60!! 2) I've added an article from the Newcastle Evening Chronicle to the articles section. Thanks to Steve Batie! Kicki G - --------------------------- Kicki Gustafsson http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG kicki.gustafsson@op.se - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 11:53:00 -0500 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dav=ECd?= Subject: Re: [AVALON] Horoscope One thing of which everyone should be aware: A couple of years ago I acted as purchasing agent for an overseas Avalon member, procuring for said person a promo tape entitled Horoscope. The duplication had been farmed out to a legitimate, still-in-existance company out of LA. The cover was done in a professional manner on a computer, in what was (for that time) fairly high quality printing. Sadly, the music proved to be Mamouna, the same mix and track listing released worldwide. I'm not saying Horoscope doesn't exist; obviously it does. I'm just saying please be careful and don't get taken. And BTW if this Avalonian is out there, your server won't accept my e-mails again... I'll send you a post-card. At 10:31 AM 01/06/2000 EST, you wrote: >Horoscope began in 1989 after Bryan's tour. By 1992, several mixes, cuttings, >rerecordings etc he and his record company shelved the project. > >In 1992 he was asked to do an Elvis song for the Honeymoon in Vegas >soundtrack. He recorded 3 Elvis songs and used Are You Lonesome Tonight?. He >was inspired during these sessions to record more covers which he did over a >5-6 month period and released the album Taxi in march 1993. After the >promotion of Taxi was out of the way he returned to the Horoscope tapes and >found the inspiration to finish the album off. He re-recorded the vocals and >rythmn section using tecniques he learned during Taxi, he re wrote some of >the lyrics and wrote some new songs. as the whole project had changed >substantially, he renamed it and released it as 'Mamouna' in September 1994. >If this tape is indeed one of the pre 1992 cuts presented to the record >company, then it will contain unreleased material and also earlier recordings >of some of the 'Mamouna' songs. This is the holy grail of Ferry recordings. >we cant let this past us if it is the genuine article. > >Could you give us further details on this. > > > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > > Cheers, ______ / ____ \ __ / / / / / / / / / / __ / / / / / / \_\ / / / / / / ___ __ _ __ ____/ / / / / / / \ \ \ / / / / / __ / / /___/ / / /_\ \ \ \/ / / / / /_/ / __ __ __ __ __ /_______/ /_/ \_\ \__/ /_/ \____/ /_/ /_/ /_/ /_/ /_/ DavdMock@America.Net CPL593H! -Bryan Ferry, 1972 ____________________________________ |~|Have a look at my web site... |~| |~|Shakatak |~| |~|Swing Out Sister |~| |~|80's pop |~| |~| (Peter Godwin, Fashion, |~| |~| Modern Romance, Belouis Some,|~| |~| Strange Advance, Mari Wilson)|~| |~|Atlanta Bands |~| |~| (Rose Whipperr & Marc Stowe, |~| |~| The Brains, Face Of Concern, |~| |~| Design, Liking The Idea) |~| |~|Lounge Music |~| |~|Hamlet & |~| |~|Raymond Chandler pages |~| |~|An Atlanta Argosy |~| |~|Lotsa cool stuff! |~| - ------------------------------------ http://america.net/~davdmock/ - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 13:15:13 EST From: KRNCHSE@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Nobel Concert - UK TV Showing I couldn't have put it better Chris! - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 13:28:24 EST From: KRNCHSE@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] just a thought(Ferry/Bowie crossing paths) Just reminded me of an article that I read?Ihope the link I have addea works?!... I am fairly new to the list so this may have been seen already? Ferry/Bowie Regards,David Martin - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 13:32:36 EST From: JObinv01@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Horoscope I haven't made any references to the Horoscope tape being used as a CD tree. If this is indeed the genuine article then I am sure there isn't anyone on the list wouldn't like to hear it. I simply stated that how much a gem this item is and that the original Avalonian who stumbled accross it obviously didn't realise this and I hoped he still had the information of this site to pass on to us. The whole legal/illegal right/wrong argument about the CD trees is quite a mine field which I wouldn't like to get into a debate about. I read an article once about bootlegs and it said that the people who raid record fairs etc for this stuff are Customs & Excise and the Inland Revenue because of their lost taxes. The artists and record companies are not as interested (not to say they are totally dissinterested) in live bootlegs. The general feeling from them is that they are usually bought by fans as an addition to their collection and any one keen enough to buy a bootleg has the official albums anyway. Their own product sales are not really in competition with the live bootlegs. The copying of recordings that are or are to be put in the market place by the artists/record companies can be seen as damageing them as some people would buy this stuff without buying the official product and then it's no longer just Customs & Excise and the Inland Revenue that lose out but the artists themselves. Their are though, some cases of record companies geeting heavy handed about live bootlegs. The whole thing about the B-sides thing is that I think they will be in the forthcoming box set which I am sure that these tracks are the carrot to be dangled in front a lot of people to buy the thing. It's at this point that we might find one of the FAQ's about this list being answered :- is any one from Bryan's management/ record company watching the list??? The Horoscope sessions might also be intended to be used as bait for us to buy 3 CDs of stuff we already have and the odd thing on the 4th ' rarities ' CD. If the CD trees that have been done so far might not be legaly wrong, but I don't think they are all that right either. One thing for sure is we haven't upset anyone ......yet. Every point made on this whole subject is relevant. It is true to say if we don't think we should pirate official releases, then we shouldn't make copies of the TV shows and live stuff but it is also true to say that we are only distributing copies of stuff that would never be released by the companies any way and their is no product we are distributing that is in competition with anything official which would affect its sales. There is no profit either so there is no tax loss either. A tricky one J.O'B. (sitting on the fence) P.S. has anyone got any autographed bootlegs signed by any of Roxy - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 10:35:17 PST From: "mark shanahan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Reply to Leadbelly Music mary: >In reply to Leadbelly , which I saw earlier, Were you referring to >the (one) Huddie Ledbetter discovered in Angola Prison By John & Alan >Lomax in !934. The Leadbelly(black bluesman) born Jan.21, !888.--Dec.6. >1949. indeed, yes. peaces/ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 13:47:30 EST From: RODEISLRED@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Horoscope, Scorpio Rising From Hand-JOB's quill pen: "Every point made on this whole subject is relevant. It is true to say if we don't think we should pirate official releases, then we shouldn't make copies of the TV shows and live stuff BLAH BLAH BLAH" What a bunch of SISSIES! If it's out there, get it! This is a FAN LIST!! A bunch of marginal characters (you, too, Hanny-boy!) The WORST that could happen is a slap on the wrist from his management company, IF he still has one then! - --Red - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 13:56:02 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Ream Subject: [AVALON] Followup on "Horoscope" Since the guy who posted "Horoscope" on his list is inviting traders over at the REM traders site, I guess it's fair game to post his URL here http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Concert/7775/ I e-mailed him about it and he was very vague, saying it was disco-like and he guessed it was from the "Flesh & Blood" era. He certainly wasn't very excited above having it. Alas, since I can't yet burn CDRs, he wasn't interested in talking trades with me, so I'll leave that to others of you here. The REM traders page lists his e-mail as doppelgangers@hotmail.com and his name as "TJ" Happy hunting! - --Dan P.S. If this is a fraud or disappointment, my apologies. I'm not behind this, I'm only asking about it here! - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 13:55:52 EST From: KRNCHSE@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Ferry/Bowie Sorry Chaps!..The link I added to my previous post will only take you to the ES. BUT....if you type FERRY ICA in the search box you will find the amusing article. Regards,David Martin - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 14:00:58 EST From: JObinv01@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Horoscope, Scorpio Rising In a message dated 06/01/00 18:51:32 GMT Standard Time, RODEISLRED@aol.com writes: << What a bunch of SISSIES! If it's out there, get it! This is a FAN LIST!! A bunch of marginal characters (you, too, Hanny-boy!) The WORST that could happen is a slap on the wrist from his management company, IF he still has one then! >> I was merely stating that all arguments are valid and that we have sometimes been selective about which arguement to use. As for being a sissie, I have voted with my feet in that I have been fairly insrumental in the compilation and distribution of the CD trees that have been done since I joined the list. (unless you were refering to my kilt which I must state is no way a skirt) I am hunting this very CD as we speak. Watch this space John O'Brien - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 19:08:14 GMT From: "Tracy Connell" Subject: [AVALON] As Time Goes By HI I am new to this list so I don't know if anyone has asked this before. But...has As Time Goes By been released in vinyl anywhere? I have everything else on vinyl. It probably doesn't exist on vinyl but I guess it's worth asking. Also, I recently saw Bryan in concert, nearly 5 years after the last time I saw him. After waiting for an hour in the freezing cold I did manage to get his autograph and shake his hand. He even put 'To Tracy' when he signed. The concert was great. I managed to take a few photographs - though they're not great quality. I have some better quality ones from 1995. Anyway, I'd recommend anyone to go and see him, and it's definately worth waiting for him afterwards (although in 1995 he couldn't hang around for long). Does anyone know when his next album is planned this year? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 13:10:32 -0600 (CST) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty) Subject: [AVALON] Referenceing music Yes, M.S. none other than (the) Huddie Ledbetter. Not only did he play a mean guitar , but a piano, Mandolin, & other instruments. Nice to here someone else appreciate the real down & out blues . After all thats where it all started.....M.K......... - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 14:25:48 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Horoscope On Thu, 6 Jan 2000, Martin Stockman wrote: > can't understand Colleen's problem here. Are we the protectors of Bryan's > estate ? He has no conception of how this item would interest us and would > have to be having a very bad day to set his lawyers upon his most hardened > fans. I would think that Mr. Ferry is quite aware of how much this item would interest us. And as for him not setting his lawyers on us, well I'm afraid I don't take such a Panglossian view of the world. > worst we're doing is distributing some work deemed not worthy of release by > his record company. Chances are Bryan quite liked some of it but was advised > by the suits that it wouldn't shift units. No, I'm afraid, given that it is unreleased material, that is not the worst that we're doing. > We're getting a mutual friend to hand over a copy of A Perfumed Sigh to > David Enthoven and are confident that he'll be delighted, and perhaps Bryan > himself flattered, by the video. We aren't talking about a penniless artist > here. This has nothing to do with the wealth or poverty of any artist. This is not about B-sides of *previously* *released* *material*. This is not about a tape tree of live shows consisting of *previously* *released* *material*. This is about *un*released material. As it is about *un*released material--that is, material which has not been published--and I'm no lawyer, but it is my understanding that the artist retains the rights to first use and therefore to how the material is first presented, if at all. I have a more fleshed out discussion of this topic related to a situation not unlike this one written by a friend of mine, but I will not have access to the computer until late this evening. I'm not saying it should or should not be pursued--naturally I'd love to hear it. But what I am saying is that a bit of discretion might be in order. Because the legal folk do indeed step in at times like this. Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 13:28:18 -0600 (CST) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty) Subject: [AVALON] Reply to Red Red, I don't believe anyone is a quote "sissie" for believing in there principlies. # 1 .. When something is on TV. thats Public acess for all or it wouldn't be telivised. # 2 ... We respect , that we are a fan club, That entails honoring the rights of Bryan Ferry...# 3... If we didn't have his music & Videos to (buy) i doubt there would be a Bryan Ferry public figure...Fans help his career , not destroy it." These are my own personal opinions"....How do others feel about this subject? M.K....... - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 14:35:30 EST From: RODEISLRED@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Red Apologizes Since I have just received a very threatening e-mail from John O'Brien, and I am a sissy, I hereby now apolgize to Mr O'Brian. I will never ever EVER make fun of him again, even if his contributions to Kicki's website strike me a little to the left of John Hinckley. He is a great Scotsman, owns many guitars and has never, I repeat never been a sissy. Red PS to JOB--I am not a lesbian. Are they really all the same? And Marlana, are you single? - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 14:38:27 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Horoscope On Thu, 6 Jan 2000, KB Porter wrote: > PS. Colleen, did you post grad study at Sussex? No, I am afraid I did not. And Helene, thanks for the info about Rasputin's--I will definitely make a trip there the next time I am in the area. Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 11:38:31 PST From: "mark shanahan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Horoscope, Scorpio Rising red writes: >What a bunch of SISSIES! If it's out there, get it! This is a FAN LIST!! >A bunch of marginal characters (you, too, Hanny-boy!) The WORST that >could happen is a slap on the wrist from his management company, IF he >still has one then! cool! are you going to do the masters for us from now on then? thanks a bunch! peaces/ms p.s. takes one to know one ... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 14:43:10 EST From: JObinv01@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Red Apologizes In a message dated 06/01/00 19:39:03 GMT Standard Time, RODEISLRED@aol.com writes: << Since I have just received a very threatening e-mail from John O'Brien, and I am a sissy, I hereby now apolgize to Mr O'Brian. I will never ever EVER make fun of him again, even if his contributions to Kicki's website strike me a little to the left of John Hinckley. He is a great Scotsman, owns many guitars and has never, I repeat never been a sissy. >> all in good fun my good man didn't take it personnal, just spell O'Brien correctly and who the hell is John Hinckly Regards John O'Bryan - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 14:49:17 EST From: JObinv01@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Horoscope, Scorpio Rising In a message dated 06/01/00 19:05:12 GMT Standard Time, JObinv01@aol.com writes: << << What a bunch of SISSIES! If it's out there, get it! This is a FAN LIST!! A bunch of marginal characters >> I don't think it is entirely a fan list as I think there might be a 1 or 2 silent members whose e-mail address should be lurker@spycamp.com J.O'B. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 11:49:02 -0800 From: Betsy Fowler Subject: [AVALON] Bry and the Zigster Martin Stockman wrote: > There was some business regarding Pin-Ups and Another Time (or was it These > Foolish Things) that has been discussed in these pages ; wasn't it alleged > that Bry released one of these albums early to trump David's card ? > I'm currently machete-ing my way through the jungle known as "Unknown Pleasures: A Cultural Biography of Roxy Music," by the opinionated Paul Stump (a work which is clogged with an unimaginable amount of journalistic bombast--most of it belongs in 'Pseuds' Corner'). In it Stump alleges that Ferry tried to take out an injunction to delay the release of Bowie's "Pin-Ups" but was unsuccessful, and it was released the same day as "These Foolish Things" - he says on 3 November 1973! Well, I'm inclined to doubt the injunction bit, but it seems obvious that Our Lad numbers Bowie amongst his bêtes noires. I think Martin's right--it's rivalry, competitiveness, la jalousie, all those things. It's time Bryan buried the hatchet--these two guys could probably collaborate on something wonderful! - -Betsy - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 14:05:29 -0600 (CST) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (Mary Korfanty) Subject: [AVALON] Red's apology Red, glad to see you apoligize , Takes a real person to admit their error. We're all fans here. But you were a little rough with the " Hinkley thing . Why, do you want to know if I'm single?M,K................... - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 14:01:16 -0600 From: "Skillrud, Wyndi" Subject: [AVALON] Spies Like Us :) Hey! I, for one, am making sure I get the hang of things netiquette-wise lest I stick my foot in my mouth! Too bad I missed Ferry last year in Boulder, I won't be getting across the pond anytime soon, although I would love to go to Amsterdam, Hans. As soon as he releases new U.S. dates (whichever year that is - I would imagine he'll take a tour break after Europe), I'll try like a demon to get there! Sorry if he has announced U.S. tour dates for 2000 and thus I therefore stuck my foot in my mouth after all.... :) Wyndi (newbie) list mail: wskil@h-s.com off-list mail: wyndi@earthlink.net > ---------- > From: JObinv01@aol.com[SMTP:JObinv01@aol.com] > Reply To: avalon@smoe.org > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 1:49 PM > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Horoscope, Scorpio Rising > > In a message dated 06/01/00 19:05:12 GMT Standard Time, JObinv01@aol.com > writes: > > << << > What a bunch of SISSIES! If it's out there, get it! This is a FAN > LIST!! > A bunch of marginal characters >> > > I don't think it is entirely a fan list as I think there might be a 1 or 2 > > silent members whose e-mail address should be lurker@spycamp.com > > J.O'B. > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 12:07:15 -0800 (PST) From: Neil Ashar Subject: Re: [AVALON] Red Apoplexizes - --- RODEISLRED@aol.com wrote: > I will never ever > EVER make > fun of him again, even if his contributions to Kicki's website strike > me a > little to the left of John Hinckley. Why are you to the left of John Hinckley? Are you trying to impress us, Red? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 21:20:41 +0100 From: "Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Horoscope If it is Horoscope we must distribute in a cd-tree construction. No doubt. What exactly is the problem? If they decide to release it after our cd-tree we'll buy it again and after that they release the remastered horoscope, first in a cardsleeve and then in a Jewelcase and we'll buy it again and again and again. We are no criminals we are crazy. Btw do they have Internet in prison? Han > john o'b writes: > > If this tape is indeed one of the pre 1992 cuts presented to the > record company, then it will contain unreleased material and also > earlier recordings of some of the 'Mamouna' songs. This is the holy > grail of Ferry recordings. we cant let this past us if it is the genuine > article. > > hmmmm ... how shall i put this? well, i admit that i'd be interested in > this too - if it's the read deal (so, no offense to john) and far be it from > me to put the kaibosh on other's fun, but ... well, i remember a > christmas-time discussion about piracy (oooh - oooh) ... ring any bells? > > however, i have to say that a lot of this whole thing (no, i *don't* want to > start a HUGE flame war/argument) hinges on profit vs. non-profit. on the > other hand, if my suggestions of a 'b-sides' rarities cd-tree is 'piracy', > then ..?.. i leave it to you, my friends! those of you who were SO worried > about the legal sharks coming into feed on avalonia ... where art thou now? > > i'm not sure how i'd feel about acquiring this item. it's a rather grey > area, but i have to concede interest on my part. whether i'd actually get > it ... ? > > let's hear the other opinions, please! > > peaces/ms > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 15:20:35 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Red Apoplexizes On Thu, 6 Jan 2000, Neil Ashar wrote: > > fun of him again, even if his contributions to Kicki's website strike > > me a > > little to the left of John Hinckley. > > Why are you to the left of John Hinckley? Are you trying to impress us, > Red? I dunno Neil. She impresses me. Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 15:21:17 -0500 From: Bruce MacQueen Subject: [AVALON] Boston CD - Who Am I Missing?? Dear All: Does anyone else need a copy of the Boston show on CD? I think I have fulfilled the requests of all of you who asked me. But I got a new computer in the midst of the process (Santa was kind) and want to be sure. (Rise Gluck, Ida Miller & Keith Routley - yours went in the mail today!) Best Regards, Bruce - -- "What's so funny 'bout peace, love & understanding?" (Nick Lowe) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 15:26:17 EST From: MonquiBoy@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] HANoSCope "We Are no crimnals we a@re crazy." HaHAaa Han Monkey, Aged Too - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 12:28:19 -0800 (PST) From: Neil Ashar Subject: Re: [AVALON] Red Apoplexizes - --- Colleen Matan wrote: > I dunno Neil. She impresses me. > > Colleen Margaret Thatcher impressed me with the quote below, which has now become my sig file: Ciao ===== "We are quite the greatest nation in the world. In my lifetime, all of the problems have come from mainland Europe, and all of the solutions have come from the English-speaking countries of the world." -- Margaret Thatcher __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 20:36:25 -0000 From: "Robert Whiteford" Subject: Re: [AVALON] As Time Goes By, Horoscope and Management Hello Tracey, When I bought the CD in Virgin Records I asked them to check other formats and they couldn't find anything on Vinyl. Mind you they had enough trouble finding a copy on CD. Ferry definitely said something about badgering the record company (Virgin Germany?) to release this in vinyl in one of the first magazine articles that came out about as Time goes by. Could have been GQ or Mojo. ........................ I don't want to make a habit of agreeing with RodeIsland Simple-Red but I'd risk a short prison sentence to acquire tapes of Horoscope if they are actually about. And unless you are a lawyer or a judge the law is about whats fair and equitable. Not a single person is going to prison for buying and copying a tape that might be Horoscope, especially if they are not making any money out of it. Disco is one thing I cannot imagine the original Horoscope being though, Trower added a rhythm section to it I believe. Richard Swift posted some time ago saying that Enthoven/Mann weren't managing Ferry anymore according to Jim Lawn who said a "group" of people were managing him. Some of the names would amaze us. Well apart from the insolvency divisions of the big six accountancy firms and Barry Hearn I can't think of anybody. Graham Taylor? What's the score with this as I notice someone saying they were giving a tape to Mr Enthoven? Can anybody find out who's managing Ferry at the moment? I tell you what - they are doing a good job with the exposure he's getting at the moment and his management must be active. Who is booking the venues in Europe ? Any news appreciated. Rob - ----- Original Message ----- From: Tracy Connell To: Sent: 06 January 2000 19:08 Subject: [AVALON] As Time Goes By > HI > > I am new to this list so I don't know if anyone has asked this before. > > But...has As Time Goes By been released in vinyl anywhere? I have > everything else on vinyl. It probably doesn't exist on vinyl but I guess > it's worth asking. > > Also, I recently saw Bryan in concert, nearly 5 years after the last time I > saw him. After waiting for an hour in the freezing cold I did manage to get > his autograph and shake his hand. He even put 'To Tracy' when he signed. > The concert was great. I managed to take a few photographs - though they're > not great quality. I have some better quality ones from 1995. > > Anyway, I'd recommend anyone to go and see him, and it's definately worth > waiting for him afterwards (although in 1995 he couldn't hang around for > long). > > Does anyone know when his next album is planned this year? > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:57:15 -0900 From: Karen Roth Subject: RE: [AVALON] Bry and the Zigster I read the Unknown Pleasures book too, though it was very hard to follow. I didn't know many of the people or places mentioned in the book as I've never been out of the USA and all this European lingo eludes me. I thought that the book had other problems like, on the back jacket he spelled Bryan's name Brian and the author states that Bryan has 3 boys and one daughter named Tara. I have since been told that Bryan has 4 sons. Is Tara a common name for a boy over there?? Also, someone please help me, I might be lame but I haven't been able to send my "perfumed Sigh" order to Martin. I believe I've followed the directions right but the missive came back as undeliverable. I emailed my home address direct to martinstockan@btinternet.com . is this the correct address?? If it helps my home address is: Karen Roth 7701 Berry Circle Anchorage Alaska 99502 USA Don't dog me too bad, you guys can be a little rough on each other, except for Hank, he's a gem. And of course Kicki is a favorite of mine, nice profile Kicki!! I -----Original Message----- From: Betsy Fowler [mailto:epfowler@well.com] Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 10:49 AM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Bry and the Zigster Martin Stockman wrote: > There was some business regarding Pin-Ups and Another Time (or was it These > Foolish Things) that has been discussed in these pages ; wasn't it alleged > that Bry released one of these albums early to trump David's card ? > I'm currently machete-ing my way through the jungle known as "Unknown Pleasures: A Cultural Biography of Roxy Music," by the opinionated Paul Stump (a work which is clogged with an unimaginable amount of journalistic bombast--most of it belongs in 'Pseuds' Corner'). In it Stump alleges that Ferry tried to take out an injunction to delay the release of Bowie's "Pin-Ups" but was unsuccessful, and it was released the same day as "These Foolish Things" - he says on 3 November 1973! Well, I'm inclined to doubt the injunction bit, but it seems obvious that Our Lad numbers Bowie amongst his bêtes noires. I think Martin's right--it's rivalry, competitiveness, la jalousie, all those things. It's time Bryan buried the hatchet--these two guys could probably collaborate on something wonderful! -Betsy -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 21:14:19 GMT From: "Tracy Connell" Subject: Re: [AVALON] As Time Goes By, Horoscope and Management Thanks, Robert, I must admit I did ask in HMV, but thought someone else may have some other information. I would recommend HMV rather than Virgin Records -they seem to know what you're talking about and have almost everything I've wanted in stock. They even had a limited edition blue vinyl Elvis boxed set, which I thought I would have to order. I'll keep my eyes open for a vinyl edition of As Time Goes by anyway! >From: "Robert Whiteford" >Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org >To: >Subject: Re: [AVALON] As Time Goes By, Horoscope and Management >Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 20:36:25 -0000 > >Hello Tracey, > >When I bought the CD in Virgin Records I asked them to check other formats >and they couldn't find anything on Vinyl. Mind you they had enough trouble >finding a copy on CD. Ferry definitely said something about badgering the >record company (Virgin Germany?) to release this in vinyl in one of the >first magazine articles that came out about as Time goes by. Could have >been >GQ or Mojo. > >........................ > >I don't want to make a habit of agreeing with RodeIsland Simple-Red but I'd >risk a short prison sentence to acquire tapes of Horoscope if they are >actually about. And unless you are a lawyer or a judge the law is about >whats fair and equitable. Not a single person is going to prison for buying >and copying a tape that might be Horoscope, especially if they are not >making any money out of it. Disco is one thing I cannot imagine the >original >Horoscope being though, Trower added a rhythm section to it I believe. > >Richard Swift posted some time ago saying that Enthoven/Mann weren't >managing Ferry anymore according to Jim Lawn who said a "group" of people >were managing him. Some of the names would amaze us. Well apart from the >insolvency divisions of the big six accountancy firms and Barry Hearn I >can't think of anybody. Graham Taylor? What's the score with this as I >notice someone saying they were giving a tape to Mr Enthoven? Can anybody >find out who's managing Ferry at the moment? I tell you what - they are >doing a good job with the exposure he's getting at the moment and his >management must be active. Who is booking the venues in Europe ? Any news >appreciated. > >Rob > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Tracy Connell >To: >Sent: 06 January 2000 19:08 >Subject: [AVALON] As Time Goes By > > > > HI > > > > I am new to this list so I don't know if anyone has asked this before. > > > > But...has As Time Goes By been released in vinyl anywhere? I have > > everything else on vinyl. It probably doesn't exist on vinyl but I >guess > > it's worth asking. > > > > Also, I recently saw Bryan in concert, nearly 5 years after the last >time >I > > saw him. After waiting for an hour in the freezing cold I did manage to >get > > his autograph and shake his hand. He even put 'To Tracy' when he >signed. > > The concert was great. I managed to take a few photographs - though >they're > > not great quality. I have some better quality ones from 1995. > > > > Anyway, I'd recommend anyone to go and see him, and it's definately >worth > > waiting for him afterwards (although in 1995 he couldn't hang around for > > long). > > > > Does anyone know when his next album is planned this year? > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------- > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 12:15:30 -0900 From: Karen Roth Subject: RE: [AVALON] Bry and the Zigster By the way, when I sent my order to Martin for APS I clicked on his address and didn't type it myself so it was correct. Down boy!! -----Original Message----- From: Karen Roth [mailto:kroth@pacak.com] Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 11:57 AM To: 'avalon@smoe.org' Subject: RE: [AVALON] Bry and the Zigster I read the Unknown Pleasures book too, though it was very hard to follow. I didn't know many of the people or places mentioned in the book as I've never been out of the USA and all this European lingo eludes me. I thought that the book had other problems like, on the back jacket he spelled Bryan's name Brian and the author states that Bryan has 3 boys and one daughter named Tara. I have since been told that Bryan has 4 sons. Is Tara a common name for a boy over there?? Also, someone please help me, I might be lame but I haven't been able to send my "perfumed Sigh" order to Martin. I believe I've followed the directions right but the missive came back as undeliverable. I emailed my home address direct to martinstockan@btinternet.com . is this the correct address?? If it helps my home address is: Karen Roth 7701 Berry Circle Anchorage Alaska 99502 USA Don't dog me too bad, you guys can be a little rough on each other, except for Hank, he's a gem. And of course Kicki is a favorite of mine, nice profile Kicki!! I -----Original Message----- From: Betsy Fowler [mailto:epfowler@well.com] Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 10:49 AM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Bry and the Zigster Martin Stockman wrote: > There was some business regarding Pin-Ups and Another Time (or was it These > Foolish Things) that has been discussed in these pages ; wasn't it alleged > that Bry released one of these albums early to trump David's card ? > I'm currently machete-ing my way through the jungle known as "Unknown Pleasures: A Cultural Biography of Roxy Music," by the opinionated Paul Stump (a work which is clogged with an unimaginable amount of journalistic bombast--most of it belongs in 'Pseuds' Corner'). In it Stump alleges that Ferry tried to take out an injunction to delay the release of Bowie's "Pin-Ups" but was unsuccessful, and it was released the same day as "These Foolish Things" - he says on 3 November 1973! Well, I'm inclined to doubt the injunction bit, but it seems obvious that Our Lad numbers Bowie amongst his bêtes noires. I think Martin's right--it's rivalry, competitiveness, la jalousie, all those things. It's time Bryan buried the hatchet--these two guys could probably collaborate on something wonderful! -Betsy -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V4 #445 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest