From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V4 #422 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Tuesday, December 21 1999 Volume 04 : Number 422 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Ferry tour dates Y2k [Alister Hamilton ] Re: [AVALON] Had your fill of foxtrels ? ["Martin Stockman" ] Re: [AVALON] Boston Boot [Greg Wingfield ] Re: [AVALON] 2000 [Kicki Gustafsson ] [none] [=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E9d=E9ric_Declercq?= ] [AVALON] Greetings ["Ujvary, Richard A." ] [AVALON] Kenny Dalgliesh [JObinv01@aol.com] RE: [AVALON] Kenny Dalgliesh ["Ujvary, Richard A." ] Re: [AVALON] the cd tree [Colleen Matan ] RE: [AVALON] Newcastle [Jocelyn Fiske ] Re: [AVALON] B-sides Burning - the cd tree [Heather James ] Re: [AVALON] B-sides Burning - the cd tree [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] the cd tree ["Simon Galloway" ] RE: [AVALON] PARIS - February [Jocelyn Fiske ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:46:38 GMT From: Alister Hamilton Subject: [AVALON] Ferry tour dates Y2k Hi, Does anyone have a list of tour dates for Bryan Ferry in 2000? Jim Lawn mentioned the possibility of a gig in Edinburgh - does anyone know any more? Ferry in Newcastle last Saturday was superb. The band were excellent. The "daughters of the Sirens" in the string section were fantastic - - the lead violinist certainly seemed to share some genes with Eddie Jobson! Nice to see Jimmy Nail there - he told me he doesn't see Paul Thompson (see reference on TGPT's WWW page). It was great to hear Phil Manzanera on Radio 2 last night - does anyone know if the Greenwich gig with BF and PM is on the telly? Does anyone know what they are going to play? Ferry Christmas and a Roxy New Year! Alister. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:58:00 -0000 From: "Johnny Reece" Subject: [AVALON] BF Gig Review - Glasgow Hi all Avalonians... I have just returned from the frozen wastes (otherwise known as Glasgow) - and as has been reported here - superb Gig, with the usual raucous Glasgow audience. To say that Glasgow adores BF may be something of an understatement. Yep, I was one of those, hanging around afterwards at the Stage door, eventually rewarded by a quick chat/autograph/photo on the steps of the tour Bus about an hour after the Gig. Enclosed here though, is a gig review which appeared the following morning in Scottish paper 'The Herald'... ............................................................................ ......................................... Bryan Ferry, Clyde Auditorium, Glasgow, Friday 17th Dec, 1999. : (Review by David Belcher) : Maybe it was just me, but I couldn't help watching Bryan Ferry last night with but a single train of thought a locomotin' round my head. If only those two Gallagher mooks had grown up listening to Roxy Music instead of the poxin' Beatles, popular music might now be entering a new millenium with a new destination in sight. As it is, pop's circling pointlessly round Guitar-Band Retro Halt when it could be dancing a martian rhumba at Futureville Central. See, despite being based on Bryan's current album of well-kent thirties standards, last nights show also presented a choice selection of early-seventies Roxy grist. And whether Bryan was doing the vocal voodoo that he still do do so well on an old 'un like 'You Do Something To Me' or whether he was being an art-school moody circa 1972 on 'Chance Meeting', each era's songs simply served to underline Bryan's enduring ability to create stuff that's timeless in its singularity. Plus Bryan still looks like a positive beacon of cool. Long and lean. Debonair. Unblinking, I swear. And what a Band ! Five blonde foxtrels in halter-necks and leather strides teasing fin de siecle harps and violins ! Astounding ! And eight Tuxedo'd geezers who'd been time-warped in direct from a tea-dance at Quaglino's in 1932 ! And Bryan's voice ! It's still a thing of taut and mannered glory. Heroic trills. Impossibly languid and resignedly tense at the same time. 'Street Life' lacked a bit of the old glam-rock 'oomph', mind. Too polite. More like 'closelife'. No other complaints, though. Bryan Ferry : he's always had the knack of looking back while facing forward. A Roxy Music reunion for 2000 please, Your Ferrytabulousness. ............................................................................ ....................................... Meanwhile, Merry Xmas & Happy New Year to you all, let's hope there is another Tour forthcoming, where some of us will be able to meet up once again.... Reecey... - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:36:34 +0100 From: Alexander Papazoglu Subject: Re: [AVALON] Typo I found a file called englove or something like that with the same program and it was avalon. Overall napster is a great program. Jim Rosencutter wrote: > I recently downloaded a program called Napster, which is an MP3 search > program. Last night I did a search on Roxy Music and found several > hits, mainly Love is the Drug and More Than This. Then there was one > entry called "Drive." Intrigued, I downloaded the 5MB file to see what > this Roxy song I had never heard of was. It was Love is the Drug. > > Bahi Para wrote: > > > > Speaking of spelling mistakes, three cheers for those who have been > > sending album information to CDDB. Visit its Ferry entries and you > > see lots of the usual howlers we know and love - Brian Ferry, Streeet > > Life - but the lists downloaded by the CD player software are > > generally excellent, and cover the originals, the remasters, and > > oddities like the Psalm collection (this one's a bit rough). To make > > up for the occasional typos in some of the entries, someone with an > > eye for detail has even included the circumflex in Bête Noire. > > > > (CDDB runs a central server that holds the names of CD tracks; when > > your computer plays an audio CD, it sends a request to the database > > for song titles, artist name, and album title. CDDB returns the > > information. More info at . You need a computer > > with an Internet connection - Mac, PC, Unix station, or even Acorn > > RISC - and some client software. CDDB provides links to some of the > > software.) > > > > B > > > > -------------------- > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:47:38 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Had your fill of foxtrels ? - ---------- >From: "Johnny Reece" To say that Glasgow adores BF may be > something of an understatement. I'm starting to believe that five million Scottish Johns can't be wrong. Glasgow sounds most Ferrytabulous. I would like to make a solemn promise (threat ?) to attach snow-chains to my tires - and a flick-knife to my washbag - and venture over Hadrian's Wall and into the Heart of Avalonion Darkness, Glasgow, for the Maestro's next gig there. Tartan strides are a must for my Christmas stocking. As for Newcastle, with those eskimoes and geordies Gareth, Jocelyn, Jock and Richard (Leer Jet) Swift, could you elaborate upon your hotelier's experience of 60s Tyneside beat group, The Gas Board ? Finally I have a question for Richard. On your "In Crowd" Oslo sojourn we are led to understand that Bryan proferred his own bottle of wine rather than "vin avion" on the return trip. Did you glimpse the label ? pip pip Wee Martin - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 06:06:12 EST From: JObinv01@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] 2000 I got this PC from Santa last year and soon after I joined the Avalon mailing list. When I got this off santa, I didn't realise I was getting you lot with it. It has been a pleasure the past year corresponding with you and extra special meeting a lot of you at the gigs. It is a nice thought that my last gig of the Millenium was Mr Ferry and hopefully I can take in a European show to make my first gig of 2000 to be our maestro. Merry Christmas and a happy new millenium to you all. John O'Brien - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:13:32 -0000 From: "SHEARER, Andrew" Subject: [AVALON] Jocelyn? Jocelyn (Fairfield Hall A22)? Could you mail me? ___________________________________________________________________________ This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Sema Group. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the Sema Group Helpdesk by telephone on +44 (0) 121 627 5600. ___________________________________________________________________________ - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 08:26:39 -0500 From: Greg Wingfield Subject: Re: [AVALON] Boston Boot Yes Virginia, there is a santa and his name is Bruce McQueen! Received my Xmas present in the mail yesterday(checks in the mail, etc.) from santa Bruce and the cds are excellent! This makes for a great holiday-and bless you too tiny Tim. 2 HB Betsy Fowler wrote: > Hail to the Bruce MacQueen for a stunning job on the production of this > wonderful 2-disc set. > > Of course the contents deserve such treatment! > > Merry Xmouse to all of Avalon, > > and a slurpy kiss to MonquiBoy, > > Betsy > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:45:04 +0100 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] 2000 >It is a nice thought that my last gig of the Millenium was Mr Ferry and >hopefully I can take in a European show to make my first gig of 2000 to be >our maestro. You have to come to Stockholm!!! I'm desperate to see you in that kilt... /Kicki G > > >John O'Brien - ------------------------ Kicki Gustafsson, Östersunds-Posten 063-16 16 51 http://www.op.se http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (privat hemsida) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:20:51 +-100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E9d=E9ric_Declercq?= Subject: [none] Hi, I think it could be interesting to know how many of us will play a RM/BF song during Xmas eve or new Year eve and what song or album and why... Some of us have good contacts with Bry's management (Jim Lawn or others) : can one of you may be (if everyone on the list agrees) find a way of wishing a Ferry Xmas to the Maestro in the name of the (game) list (sorry). And from my side, I've been on this list for about 4 months and I am still excited to read all the commentaries, are they funny, sometimes less, informative or simply human. It's good to try to imagine all the people I'm speaking with : John in a tartan kilt, with/without underwear ; Han searching his glasses, ; Monqui Boy eating a banana and sitting next to his Xmas palmtree ; Kicki walking in three meters of snow, Luc walking in the streets of Paris with his " beret " hat, a bottle of red wine in one hand, camembert in the other and a french baguette in his bag, Martin and his Martini ; ... Like a world family. Bry's platonic children... Thanks to all of you to develop this list with it's colo(u)rs, feeling,... Thanks also for so often trying to decode my " Dutchfrenshenglish ". I wish you a sincere M(F)erry Xmas and a Fery Roxy New Year. Eveb If I will continue, nearly everyday to read and write to the list ! Yours, Fred in Belgium (haha 2/2/00...) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 06:32:13 PST From: "mark shanahan" Subject: [AVALON] the cd tree hello: simon writes: >I don't know who'll share these views, and I don't want to be a spoilsport, >but making a cd tree of the tracks below has the potential to land us in >very hot water indeed. >OK, so bootlegs are illegal, but they are usually made up of tracks that >are not commercially available and something that otherwise we would not >have access to. The problem with this particular >proposition is that all these ARE commercially available (or have been), >therefore we become counterfeiters and pirates. and from jason: >If you duplicate commercial music recordings, you will be pirating >Bryan's material. Is that really what you want? I think it would get >you into a great deal of trouble and certainly not win you any friends from >the Ferry team. (... i actually missed this digest somehow and had to retrieve it, so therefore the 'delayed' response ...) OK ... first of all, i understand what you both are saying. but, i just want to say that i very strongly believe that you're both engaging in some pretty hardcore hair-splitting -- this bootlegging vs. a cd-comp of (what i would call) rarities 'argument' (**please**) ... however, you obviously don't see it that way, i don't wanna make no trouble, and there didn't hardly seem to be any interest anyway ... so it's pretty much tantamount to 'much ado about nothing', or just nothing. simon also wrote: >It is still possible to pick up these tracks in their original or >re-released forms. I shall detail below. And anyway, it's fun hunting these >things down (even easier on the internet). OK, i appreciate that, but i don't see where you ever detailed anything other than re-posting the cd tree guidelines. so, if that's your 'detailing', then i'm afraid i don't understand what you're talking about. you've offered your critique, so i would in fact appreciate your sharing just where these items "ARE commercially available". thanks peaces/ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:43:32 -0500 From: "Ujvary, Richard A." Subject: [AVALON] Greetings Well I've only been around here for a short while so I really don't know where all the bodies buried. But anyway I like the "repartay" and I'm looking forward to some more great conversation here on the band and Ferry. Y'all have a great holiday and millenium. A topper would have Bryan doing Stonehenge or Tintagel. And Monqui Boy, I think you'd get along better with Bingo than Abbott & Costello did....... Rich(USA) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:55:26 EST From: JObinv01@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Kenny Dalgliesh A wee story from the Glasgow show that I forgot to tell. As I arrived late into the Clyde Auditorium in Glasgow, through my own haste I seen an equally disorientated Kenny Dalgliesh (for those of you outside Europe, Kenny was one of Scotland's few world class footballers and is currently director of football at Glasgow Celtic) I patted him in the shoulder and said in my Sunday best Scottish brouge " yiv got great taste in music too big man" he replied "naw wee man am in the wrang hall its boyzone that av came ti see wi ma we'ans" Translates as :- "sorry old chap but it's those five young Irish boys that I am taking my children to see" Rhonnan & co were playing in the SECC next door - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:08:44 -0500 From: "Ujvary, Richard A." Subject: RE: [AVALON] Kenny Dalgliesh Yeah John, Ken was also THE MAN for putting Liverpool to the top back when, eh?!!!!!!! What a great footballer! I don't know if they make'em like they used to! Rich(USA) - -----Original Message----- From: JObinv01@aol.com [mailto:JObinv01@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 9:55 AM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Kenny Dalgliesh A wee story from the Glasgow show that I forgot to tell. As I arrived late into the Clyde Auditorium in Glasgow, through my own haste I seen an equally disorientated Kenny Dalgliesh (for those of you outside Europe, Kenny was one of Scotland's few world class footballers and is currently director of football at Glasgow Celtic) I patted him in the shoulder and said in my Sunday best Scottish brouge " yiv got great taste in music too big man" he replied "naw wee man am in the wrang hall its boyzone that av came ti see wi ma we'ans" Translates as :- "sorry old chap but it's those five young Irish boys that I am taking my children to see" Rhonnan & co were playing in the SECC next door - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:07:46 -0000 From: S.J.Batie@open.ac.uk Subject: RE: [AVALON] Kenny Dalgliesh but a crap manager (at least at newcastle where he exited in disgrace !) he must have some younger kids -- he's certainly got a son and daughter in their twenties. s > -----Original Message----- > From: Ujvary, Richard A. [SMTP:Richard.A.Ujvary@abc.com] > Sent: 21 December 1999 15:09 > To: 'avalon@smoe.org' > Subject: RE: [AVALON] Kenny Dalgliesh > > Yeah John, Ken was also THE MAN for putting Liverpool to the top back > when, > eh?!!!!!!! > What a great footballer! I don't know if they make'em like they used to! > Rich(USA) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: JObinv01@aol.com [mailto:JObinv01@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 9:55 AM > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: [AVALON] Kenny Dalgliesh > > > A wee story from the Glasgow show that I forgot to tell. > > As I arrived late into the Clyde Auditorium in Glasgow, through my own > haste > > I seen an equally disorientated Kenny Dalgliesh (for those of you outside > Europe, Kenny was one of Scotland's few world class footballers and is > currently director of football at Glasgow Celtic) > > I patted him in the shoulder and said in my Sunday best Scottish brouge > " yiv got great taste in music too big man" > > he replied > > "naw wee man am in the wrang hall its boyzone that av came ti see wi ma > we'ans" > > Translates as :- "sorry old chap but it's those five young Irish boys that > I > > am taking my children to see" > > Rhonnan & co were playing in the SECC next door > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:13:43 -0000 From: Jocelyn Fiske Subject: RE: [AVALON] Kenny Dalgliesh Yea and he was also the fool that started the dismal decline of Newcastle United after the golden rule of King Kev. Just as well he didn't turn up to the N'castle gig! Jocelyn - -----Original Message----- From: Ujvary, Richard A. [mailto:Richard.A.Ujvary@abc.com] Sent: 21 December 1999 15:09 To: 'avalon@smoe.org' Subject: RE: [AVALON] Kenny Dalgliesh Yeah John, Ken was also THE MAN for putting Liverpool to the top back when, eh?!!!!!!! What a great footballer! I don't know if they make'em like they used to! Rich(USA) - -----Original Message----- From: JObinv01@aol.com [mailto:JObinv01@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 9:55 AM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Kenny Dalgliesh A wee story from the Glasgow show that I forgot to tell. As I arrived late into the Clyde Auditorium in Glasgow, through my own haste I seen an equally disorientated Kenny Dalgliesh (for those of you outside Europe, Kenny was one of Scotland's few world class footballers and is currently director of football at Glasgow Celtic) I patted him in the shoulder and said in my Sunday best Scottish brouge " yiv got great taste in music too big man" he replied "naw wee man am in the wrang hall its boyzone that av came ti see wi ma we'ans" Translates as :- "sorry old chap but it's those five young Irish boys that I am taking my children to see" Rhonnan & co were playing in the SECC next door - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:31:42 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] the cd tree On Tue, 21 Dec 1999, mark shanahan wrote: > OK ... first of all, i understand what you both are saying. but, i just > want to say that i very strongly believe that you're both engaging in some > pretty hardcore hair-splitting -- this bootlegging vs. a cd-comp of (what i > would call) rarities 'argument' (**please**) ... For what it's worth: I'm on another music mailing list, someone wanted to compile a tape of songs which were rarely performed live (drawn from extra tracks on CD singles and from bootlegs) and a tape of b-sides since not everyone had access to them although they were technically "commercially available." The artist's management got wind of it and, if I am remembering correctly, made one request--that it be made available on tape and not on CD since the feeling was then it'd be that much harder to bootleg. This was several years ago, before everyone had their own CD burner (everyone but me, I guess--I am afraid I'd have to sit at the "One Step Up From 8-Track Table" at the Avalon convention), however. This list also put together an 8-10 volume video compilation, all without (at least to my knowledge, and I'm much more plugged in there than I am here) any static from the artist in question. I make no claims to know how Mr. Ferry and his management feel about the distribution of any of his material apart from the "kah-ching" of the cash register. I do know that on this other list the feeling is that as long as the material is not being sold and as long as the details of any trades are worked out backstage a benevolent blind eye is turned on the part of management, as their feeling is that the non-commercial distribution of this material is a good thing. And the list is pretty good about making sure that the widely available parts of the catalog are not pirated. I'm disappointed, personally, that this idea is dead in the water. I'm not a completist by any stretch of the imagination and I was looking forward to being able to hear this "new" stuff. I'm very grateful to everyone who has made things available to us during this last year. Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:41:21 -0000 From: Jocelyn Fiske Subject: RE: [AVALON] Newcastle - -Meanwhile, back in Toon Army country, 'twas a very special night for me back on home turf, and Bryan too as he explained on approaching the Steinway for The Only Face. "This place is very special to me, it was where I saw my very first concert, my Uncle Brian brought me here when I was ten". It was where I first saw Roxy, third on the bill in 1972, and goodness only knows how I saw a thing - I don't remember the stage being so high. Maybe it's after the luxury of waist high platforms at the RFH and Croydon. Newcastle was always going to be a blast, with a large quota of old Roxy Boys and Girls a little thicker of girth and a little shinier of dome (and that was just the lasses) turning out in a plethora of synthetics. The 3 girls at the front were having a dance around your handbag evening with Bryan egging them on. Outside it may have been frozen but inside it was less than cool - and guess what? No-one cared! Being further back than usual, I got a chance to experience the light show in its full glory. Simple, stylish, stunning. Again the usual high lights. Casanova is probably the one I'll plant in my memory banks for this tour, and of course, the string climax to Out of The Blue. My dream of a solo piper replacing Ferry's whistling on Jealous Guy came to nought, and before you knew it.. "Arabs at oasis, eskimos and...Geordies!!!" it was all over. And I never got my dance with David Killip and big apologies to Steve Batie - - I still owe you a drink. I had no idea that when I arranged to see you all in the bar after I'd been backstage, that the aftershow was in fact in the bar. After putting the footballing world to rights with NUFC directors wives and Jimmy Nail, chatting to the band and getting Bryan to sign the Croydon photo (which seemed to highly amuse him and which he was reticent to give up - get your own copy mate!)it was off into the brisk Newcastle air in search of sustenance. Lovely to see John O'Brien (now world famous with his own "Aren't you John O'Brien?" groupies) and Richard S again and Tom, Gareth and Alister for the first time. I wish Jim Lawn all the best for the rest of the tour, a man who deserves a rest if ever I saw one. If any of you boys have your privates left after standing in the frozen wastelands of the Haymarket I'd be amazed, I know my t**s dropped off. And on that note of commoness (you can take the girl out of Newcastle but you can't take etc.), I bid you all adieu. A fab Xmas, a Greenwich Millenium and who's up for Paris in Feb?? Jocelyn - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:57:54 -0500 From: Heather James Subject: Re: [AVALON] B-sides Burning - the cd tree I think one of the significant points that was made in the CD-Tree discussions here was that the owners of the List didn't want to be involved in such a discussion. We were welcome to do most anything we wanted to risk OUTSIDE THE LIST, but that they preferred we not discuss things of that nature in a forum that THEY could be liable for. I believe Kicki had similar feelings. They own the list, we were asked to not continue that topic ... so, you can follow that as you will in Private emails, right? I mean, they can split hairs as it's their servers and their neck, right? We are just here through their courtesy ... -= )-(eather =- >------------------< hjames@thewebgal.com Heather's Website: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/ My Roxy Music site: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ >-----------------------------------------------------< Colleen Matan wrote: > > On Tue, 21 Dec 1999, mark shanahan wrote: > > > OK ... first of all, i understand what you both are saying. but, i just > > want to say that i very strongly believe that you're both engaging in some > > pretty hardcore hair-splitting -- this bootlegging vs. a cd-comp of (what i > > would call) rarities 'argument' (**please**) ... > > For what it's worth: I'm on another music mailing list, someone wanted to > compile a tape of songs which were rarely performed live (drawn from extra > tracks on CD singles and from bootlegs) and a tape of b-sides since not > everyone had access to them although they were technically "commercially > available." The artist's management got wind of it and, if I am > remembering correctly, made one request--that it be made available on tape > and not on CD since the feeling was then it'd be that much harder to > bootleg. This was several years ago, before everyone had their own CD > burner (everyone but me, I guess--I am afraid I'd have to sit at the "One > Step Up From 8-Track Table" at the Avalon convention), however. This list > also put together an 8-10 volume video compilation, all without (at least > to my knowledge, and I'm much more plugged in there than I am here) any > static from the artist in question. > > I make no claims to know how Mr. Ferry and his management feel about the > distribution of any of his material apart from the "kah-ching" of the cash > register. I do know that on this other list the feeling is that as long > as the material is not being sold and as long as the details of any trades > are worked out backstage a benevolent blind eye is turned on the part of > management, as their feeling is that the non-commercial distribution of > this material is a good thing. And the list is pretty good about making > sure that the widely available parts of the catalog are not pirated. > > I'm disappointed, personally, that this idea is dead in the water. I'm > not a completist by any stretch of the imagination and I was looking > forward to being able to hear this "new" stuff. I'm very grateful to > everyone who has made things available to us during this last year. > > Colleen > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:58:44 -0000 From: andrew.langley@bt.com Subject: [AVALON] PARIS - February If someone can guarantee top notch tickets, then count me in, we can meet on the Eurostar and I'm booking the George V hotel. Regards Andy Langley - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 17:06:35 +0100 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] PARIS - February >If someone can guarantee top notch tickets, then count me in, we can meet on >the Eurostar and I'm booking the George V hotel. > >Regards >Andy Langley If you're crossing the channel, why not pop over to Stockholm? I'll be in row 7 at the Concerthouse. Kicki G - ------------------------ Kicki Gustafsson, Östersunds-Posten 063-16 16 51 http://www.op.se http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (privat hemsida) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:07:32 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] B-sides Burning - the cd tree On Tue, 21 Dec 1999, Heather James wrote: > I think one of the significant points that was made in the CD-Tree > discussions here was that the owners of the List didn't want to be > involved in such a discussion. We were welcome to do most anything we > wanted to risk OUTSIDE THE LIST, but that they preferred we not discuss > things of that nature in a forum that THEY could be liable for. [...] > They own the list, we were asked to not continue that topic ... > so, you can follow that as you will in Private emails, right? > I mean, they can split hairs as it's their servers and their neck, > right? > We are just here through their courtesy ... Before you scold and lecture me any further, please allow me to clarify one thing. It was Jason Gibbs, not Jason Greshes, who offered his opinion on the topic, and who was quoted by Mr. Shanahan. Mr. Gibbs is not the list owner. Neither is Mr. Galloway, who is the other person that Mr. Shanahan quoted. I have been missing mail due to the rather casual nature of the Georgetown University mail server so if there was indeed a post by Mr. Greshes on this topic I have evidently missed it. Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:11:25 -0000 From: andrew.langley@bt.com Subject: RE: [AVALON] 2000 + Martin's Quote of the Year I would like to thank the list hosts, Kicki for the fab website, Martin for the tickets, Han for the disc and all of you for being so nice and appreciating the same things that I do. Merry Xmas and New Year to all of you. Having read Martin Stockman's profile - 'Investment banker' I offer the following quote when I tried to give him the cash for the RFH tickets: "Don't give me that, I'm hopeless with money" - which bank does he work for ? Regards Andy Langley - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:48:12 +0100 From: "Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bryan Ferry in Belgium The right number is 0032 70 344304. First rows are already sold. I'm in the middle of the 9th row Regards Han > Good news for all Avalonians in Belgium and Holland: > > On Tuesday february 8 Bryan Ferry will be giving a concert in Antwerp > ("Elizabethzaal - Astridplein", near the Central Station and the Zoo). > > Tickets can be bought through "De Ticketlijn", telephonenumber > 00-32-70-304344. > > Good luck. > > Andy > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:16:58 -0000 From: "Johnny Reece" Subject: [AVALON] Paris Gig Hello all - I may have missed a post or two on the subject - can anyone tell me if a Paris Gig has definitely been confirmed, and where, or when ? Reason being I want to book Antwerp, and will book Paris at the same time... Ta much, Reecey... - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:13:27 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] the cd tree The details I was referring to were the tracks that had been outlined for the cd, and their official original and digital sources. I didn't go in to things like labels and catalogue numbers as they do change throughout the world as do the b-sides, and a UK discography wouldn't be of much use (probably). It was merely intended to show that if you look, you will find these tracks without having to make it a cd tree item. Secondly, as far as I am aware the CD Tree concept is unique to the Avalon list (it's certainly the only list I know does this) and is a great way of sharing and distributing the unofficial recordings that sometimes come in to our posession directly to the fans. ASSH, the Boston Boot and Strictly Confidential do not contain any officially released material. Bootlegs can be expensive, difficult to get hold of and are illegal, but at least on the cd tree it does not become piracy, and no one makes a profit from it. The IFPI and the BPI are constantly cracking down on these activities, and becoming even more vigilant with sellers on the net, even a law has just been passed in Singapore that has now outlawed bootleg cd's that were once legal to sell in that country - the outlets for these coveted items are becoming fewer. We would not want to bring to their attention our CD Tree activities, but doing a compilation of official material has the potential to piss off the artist, management, it would go to lawyers and so on, if it were ever found out. And with a few people on this list having personal connections with Bryan Ferry I just feel that it wouldn't be the best thing to do. As I mentioned, trading this thing privately (ie off the list) is up to the individuals concerned, and if you find someone willing to do that, then fine. My point of repeating the CD Tree guidelines was just to underline its purpose. In the end, these are only my opinions and if it does eventually become a cd tree there's nothing that I or anyone else on the list can do about it, but maybe it is worthwhile holding on for the box set that Bryan has mentioned in interviews recently, because as with the fourth disc in the Roxy Music set, these songs would wrap things up nicely. On the list below I have added more detail for the original sources, mostly UK. I hope this clears things up for those interested. As The World Turns (This Is Tomorrow) She's Leaving Home (Tokyo Joe, All This And World War 2) Four Letter Love (Sign Of The Times) Broken Wings (Winswept EP) these four available on the Japanese Mamouna ep and on various bsides in the 70s and 80s Valentine (Instrumental) (Slave To Love) Nocturne (Don't Stop The Dance) Crazy Love (Winswept EP) Feel The Need (Winswept EP) Are You Lonesome Tonight? (Girl Of My Best Friend, Homeymoon In Vegas) Bonus tracks on the TAXI cd singles, also (with the exception of Lonesome) were 1980s bsides. He'll Have To Go (single in its own right, The Ultimate Collection) Help Me (US single, and on a soundtrack) On 'The Ultimate Collection' released in 1988 and still available. Also individually released as singles. Is Your Love Strong Enough? (single and Legend soundtrack) On the 'More Than This' collection and the Japanese 'The Greatest' collection Dance With Life (soundtrack and single in some countries) single Sonnet No 18 Princess Diana tribute album I'll See You Again Noel Coward. 20th century Blues >>> "mark shanahan" 12/21 2:32 pm >>> >OK ... first of all, i understand what you both are saying. but, i just >want to say that i very strongly believe that you're both engaging in some >pretty hardcore hair-splitting -- this bootlegging vs. a cd-comp of (what i >would call) rarities 'argument' (**please**) ... >however, you obviously don't see it that way, i don't wanna make no trouble, >and there didn't hardly seem to be any interest anyway ... so it's pretty >much tantamount to 'much ado about nothing', or just nothing. >simon also wrote: >>It is still possible to pick up these tracks in their original or >>re-released forms. I shall detail below. And anyway, it's fun hunting these >>things down (even easier on the internet). >OK, i appreciate that, but i don't see where you ever detailed anything >other than re-posting the cd tree guidelines. so, if that's your >'detailing', then i'm afraid i don't understand what you're talking about. >you've offered your critique, so i would in fact appreciate your sharing >just where these items "ARE commercially available". - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:17:26 -0000 From: Jocelyn Fiske Subject: RE: [AVALON] PARIS - February Brilliant. If anyone deserves a concert its you Kicki, after all the hard work you've put in. Pity its not in your back garden though! Jocelyn. - -----Original Message----- From: Kicki Gustafsson [mailto:kicki.gustafsson@op.se] Sent: 21 December 1999 16:07 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] PARIS - February >If someone can guarantee top notch tickets, then count me in, we can meet on >the Eurostar and I'm booking the George V hotel. > >Regards >Andy Langley If you're crossing the channel, why not pop over to Stockholm? I'll be in row 7 at the Concerthouse. Kicki G - ------------------------ Kicki Gustafsson, Östersunds-Posten 063-16 16 51 http://www.op.se http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (privat hemsida) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V4 #422 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest