From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V4 #391 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Monday, November 29 1999 Volume 04 : Number 391 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Addendum - Censorship? ["eman96" ] RE: [AVALON] Gareth [Jocelyn Fiske ] Re: [AVALON] Addendum - Boston 99 ["Jeffrey F. Jones" ] Re: [AVALON] Addendum - Censorship? [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] Meltdown [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] Boston 11/7/99 [ASchulberg@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Album structures [ASchulberg@aol.com] [AVALON] Boston Boot [ASchulberg@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Addendum - Censorship? [jason and jill ] [AVALON] Re:MoreThanThis Guitar ["Ujvary, Richard A." ] Re: [AVALON] Addendum - Censorship? [Heather James ] Re: [AVALON] Boston Boot [JObinv01@aol.com] RE: [AVALON] question [Eric Gregory ] Re: [AVALON] Casanova boot mp3 [JFROXY@aol.com] [AVALON] PWeasE [MonquiBoy@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Casanova boot mp3 [ASchulberg@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Addendum - Censorship? ["Will Frechette" ] Re: [AVALON] Boston 11/7/99 [Richard Evans ] Re: [AVALON] Album structures [Richard Evans ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry. Bryan Ferry. [=?iso-8859-1?Q?Dav=ECd?= Subject: [AVALON] Addendum - Censorship? Is there a moderator on this list? I have only been on the list 3-4 weeks. However, two "posts" / messages I have sent have not made it through. And I am wondering if there is a problem with my ISP in delivering mail, or if the list moderator is censoring the list ? I would appreciate a direct response from the list manager if these messages are being deleted. Everyone's time is valuable, and yet I would think if one was to delete a message they might have the respect to forward a reply as to "why." That way one could adjust one's comments into an "acceptable" form under the qausi-censorship. I take issue, because after one messsage, a series of messages appeared by others discussing a similar topic and issues. (Re: Garreth). Although I am new, I think it quite rude to delete the message and then allow similar sentiments in later. I certainly offered nothing controversial. IMHO. So, what gives? Second: The other missing message was on a topic mention on this list before, and broached disarmingly by Mister BF himself in the Telegraph interview. (Drug and alchohol usage). I would think if the man himself can self-effacingly address the issue in a newspaper interview -- that there would then be no reason for the topic to be verboten here. Additionally, I would think, in light of this, that a list manager, would take that into account and realise that the man-topic behind this list had himself opened that door! If the information were not public knowledge, acknowledged freely and openly by the Maestro himself, then I could understand the censoring......perhaps, as heresay or rumour. But, the man has discussed it in PRINT! (And as a member of his generation, and a topic or chapter of numerous tell all books of that generation, one should think it a VALID topic. Especially if he mentioned it himself in a MAJOR interview). So, if these things disapeared into cyberspace, so be it. If there is a force behind the scenes deleting things, I would like to know. I don't spend the time writing a message for nothing. And, for any information I might forward here, I can provide names, dates and places for verification. If this list is supposed to be more worshipping than realistic, then let me know. Once I know the confines, I can conform for amusements sake. But one would hate to think valid opinion and info was being deleted purely to pursue a fan worship approach. I can understand deleting heresay, and speculation. But I think the original intent of lists like these was to share opinion and non reported information. e - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:30:14 -0000 From: Jocelyn Fiske Subject: RE: [AVALON] Gareth Well I have lived in London for nearly 20 years but N'cle never leaves your heart. See you there and at the RFH. Jocelyn - -----Original Message----- From: Richard Swift [mailto:richard_swift@lineone.net] Sent: 27 November 1999 00:42 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Gareth Jocelyn - It's nice to hear of a growing list presence in Newcastle. I look forward to meeting you there. Regards, Richard - ----- Original Message ----- From: Jocelyn Fiske To: > I would like to state publicaly that Gareth was one of the most welcoming > members on the list and I look forward to meeting him in Newcastle (he has > already warned me of John O'Brien's legendary drinking capacity). > Jocelyn. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 07:21:07 -0600 From: "Jeffrey F. Jones" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Addendum - Boston 99 Some of my posts (concerning the Boston 99 show) have also failed to make the list..... Arnie: I was at this show (flew from Columbis, OH to Boston just to see it - my recorder malfunctioned). Anyway, I have the Philips CDR 765 dual tray burner that can make the better audio (not data) CDRs, without annoying pauses between songs. I have the time and resources to do 2-3 sets a day using TDK or Maxell music discs, burnt at real time. You (or anyone) can reach me with questions at 937.361.7667 (Sprint PCS). My address is: Jeffrey F. Jones 327 W. Parkwood Street Sidney, Ohio 45365 At 01:09 AM 11/29/99 -0800, you wrote: >Is there a moderator on this list? I have only been on the list 3-4 weeks. > >However, two "posts" / messages I have sent have not >made it through. And I am wondering if there is a problem with my ISP in >delivering mail, >or if the list moderator is censoring the list ? > >I would appreciate a direct response from the list manager if these messages >are being deleted. Everyone's time is valuable, and yet I would think if >one was to >delete a message they might have the respect to forward a reply as to "why." > >That way one could adjust one's comments into an "acceptable" form under >the qausi-censorship. I take issue, because after one messsage, a series >of messages appeared by others >discussing a similar topic and issues. (Re: Garreth). > >Although I am new, I think it quite rude to delete the message and then >allow similar >sentiments in later. I certainly offered nothing controversial. IMHO. > >So, what gives? > >Second: > >The other missing message was on a topic mention on this list before, and >broached disarmingly >by Mister BF himself in the Telegraph interview. (Drug and alchohol >usage). >I would think if the man himself can self-effacingly address the issue in a >newspaper interview -- that >there would then be no reason for the topic to be verboten here. >Additionally, I would think, in light of this, that a list manager, would >take that into account and realise >that the man-topic behind this list had himself opened that door! > >If the information were not public knowledge, acknowledged freely and openly >by the Maestro himself, then >I could understand the censoring......perhaps, as heresay or rumour. > >But, the man has discussed it in PRINT! > >(And as a member of his generation, and a topic or chapter of numerous tell >all books of that generation, one should think it a VALID topic. Especially >if he mentioned it himself in a MAJOR interview). > >So, if these things disapeared into cyberspace, so be it. > >If there is a force behind the scenes deleting things, I would like to know. >I don't spend the time writing a message for nothing. And, for any >information I might forward here, I can provide names, dates and places for >verification. > >If this list is supposed to be more worshipping than realistic, then let me >know. Once I know the confines, I can conform for amusements sake. > >But one would hate to think valid opinion and info was being deleted purely >to pursue a fan worship >approach. > >I can understand deleting heresay, and speculation. But I think the >original intent of lists like these was to share opinion and non reported >information. > >e > > > > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 07:25:34 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Addendum - Censorship? There is a list owner but no moderator. It seems a while back he told us what kinds of posts would be automatically rejected by the software--I vaguely remember something about attachments, posts which were forwards instead of replies or new messages sent to the list, and something about a limit on the size of individual posts. So you may want to check the format and length of whatever it was you were trying to send. Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 06:49:18 EST From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Casanova boot mp3 In a message dated 11/28/1999 9:26:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, hjames@thewebgal.com writes: << Kicki - thank you SO much for the CASANOVA MP3 from Boston Nov 7th! what a pleasure it was downloading it and listening - Thanks again for ALL that you do! >> Ladies and Gentlemen- A fierce and sustained round of applause for our incredibly dedicated and hard-working Webmistress, the fabulous Kicki!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Arnie - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:56:28 +0800 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] Addendum - Censorship? eman wrote: >The other missing message was on a topic mention on this list before, and >broached disarmingly >by Mister BF himself in the Telegraph interview. (Drug and alchohol >usage). >I would think if the man himself can self-effacingly address the issue in a >newspaper interview -- that >there would then be no reason for the topic to be verboten here. >Additionally, I would think, in light of this, that a list manager, would >take that into account and realise >that the man-topic behind this list had himself opened that door! > >If the information were not public knowledge, acknowledged freely and openly >by the Maestro himself, then >I could understand the censoring......perhaps, as heresay or rumour. > >But, the man has discussed it in PRINT! Have you actually read the interview?? The reporter Jim Shelley writes about Ferry: "and in 1993 she [Lucy] revealed that after two years of attending AA and NA meetings she had been admitted to Farm Place, a detox clinic in Surrey, to be treated for drink and drug dependency. For his part, Ferry confessed he was prone to bouts of excessive drinking and depression." Ferry himself never mentions anything about it in actual quotes. So, apparently Ferry has admitted that he used to drink too much, and his wife has admitted that she had problems with both drink&drugs. How can you be referring to this article and state that it is common knowledge that Ferry has been using/is using drugs? Show me an interview where he admits to using cocaine. Show me an interview where he admits to using smack. Show me an interview where he admits smoking pot. Until you (or anyone else) do, the rumours about Ferry and drugs are heresay, rumour and slander. /Kicki G - --------------------------- Kicki Gustafsson http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG kicki.gustafsson@op.se - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:00:13 +0800 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] Casanova boot mp3 >In a message dated 11/28/1999 9:26:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, >hjames@thewebgal.com writes: > ><< Kicki - thank you SO much for the CASANOVA MP3 from Boston Nov 7th! > what a pleasure it was downloading it and listening - > Thanks again for ALL that you do! >> > >Ladies and Gentlemen- > >A fierce and sustained round of applause for our incredibly dedicated and >hard-working Webmistress, the fabulous Kicki!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >Arnie > > Arnie...should I say thank you or do you just want to borrow money? ;-) Kicki G - --------------------------- Kicki Gustafsson http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG kicki.gustafsson@op.se - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 09:01:36 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Meltdown On Mon, 29 Nov 1999, Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest wrote: > Thanks for the lyrics Colleen. Do you know more details about these songs? > Who recorded them for the first time, year, writers? Both songs are traditional, so there is no writer, per se. John Hardy was a real person, African-American, who worked in the coal mines of West Virginia (there is an order for his execution on file). The story is that in 1894 he killed another man over a gambling debt of either 25 or 50 cents. The legend is that he wrote the song while in jail awaiting execution and sang this song as he was hanged. I think the first recording of this was done by The Original Carter Family in 1928. You can hear a snippet of it at http://www.si.edu/folkways/harry/sounds/40090-1B-3.au There were other versions of the song, but once the Carter Family recorded it, their version became quasi-canonical. This song has also been recorded by such diverse performers as Leadbelly, Rod McKuen, Manfred Mann, and The Scottsville Squirrel Barkers. It has also been performed by Bob Dylan with the Grateful Dead. "The Butcher Boy" (also know as The Butcher's Boy; The Railroad Boy; The Fatal Courtship; Go Dig My Grave; In London City Where I Did Dwell) is a widely known folksong of English origin. I'm afraid I am not as familiar with English folksongs as I am with American ones. I know there are several different versions of this song, but the ending is the same in all. This song has been recorded by Joan Baez, The Clancy Brothers, and Frankie Yankovic, among others. First dates of recording are in both cases long after the songs had been in circulation. Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 09:20:34 EST From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Boston 11/7/99 In a message dated 11/28/1999 9:05:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, POE1527@aol.com writes: << okay arnie i believe you .now how do i go about getting a copy? thanks in advance >> Still lining up US distribution chain. Arnie - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 09:20:30 EST From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Album structures In a message dated 11/28/1999 5:35:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, martinstockman@btinternet.com writes: << Over half of the RM/BF catalogue was created with two sides of a record (or a cassette) in mind rather than the straight run-through of a CD, and his artist's attention to detail coupled with his stylist's attention to product would surely have led him to focus on the "map" of the album.>> Now that's a great concept, Martin, the "map" of an album. Brilliant! <> You mean Eddie the Hired Hand? Why would Bryan have bothered trying to keep him quiet? If he'd wanted to pacify him then making him a full band member would have been the better sop to Eddie's pride, don't you think? <> Trash may have been a bone thrown to Gary Tibbs??? Arnie - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 09:28:16 EST From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Boston Boot Distribution responsibilites are starting to firm up. Han has agreed to handle all the world except Great Britain (or is it UK? Is there a difference?), Canada and the States. John O'Brien has agreed to handle GB/UK. Several people have agreed to handle parts of the U.S. and as soon as possible we'll get their names and e-mail addresses to the list. Still need someone to handle Canada. My understanding of the way it should work is that each requesting party will provide the blank cds and return postage and mailer. Is all of the above correct? Please let me know if anything stated above is incorrect. Arnie - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 09:30:33 -0500 (EST) From: jason and jill Subject: Re: [AVALON] Addendum - Censorship? > > There is a list owner but no moderator. It seems a while back he told us > what kinds of posts would be automatically rejected by the software--I > vaguely remember something about attachments, posts which were forwards > instead of replies or new messages sent to the list, and something about a > limit on the size of individual posts. So you may want to check the > format and length of whatever it was you were trying to send. > > Colleen Messages with unsubscr*be, subscr*be and h*lp in the first few lines are automatically rejected. (Really the first five lines, but some people's email software don't do line feeds properly and put and LF only at the end of each paragraph, so the first five paragraphs of their posts are to majordomo only five lines). Also, the list accepts only plain text. HTML and MIME encoded messages are automatically rejected, as are sound and graphics files. The conspiracy theorist is using Microshit's Outlook Express, which is particularly fond of sending out mail as web pages (HTML and MIME encoded) rather than as plain text. Exceptionally long posts (such as when someone posts an entire magazine article) are also rejected, and need to be broken up into separate posts. The reason for all this is: 1) majordomo tries to screen out messages from nitwits attempting to sub and unsub by writing to the list address. Help is another majordomo command, so it also screens that. 2) HTML and MIME encoded messages aren't readable by many people and look terrible in the archives. MIME posts usually come out as several pages of random characters in the archives. 3) Sound and graphics files for the same reason as 2. 4) MIME attachments are the favored way of distributing viruses, so that is another big reason those posts are screened. Large messages are also rejected b/c they are often sound, graphic or virus files. As for Mr. or Ms. conspiracy theorist: 1) you just aren't that important. :) Chill before the next rant. ;) 2) I don't have time to read all of each days postings let alone censor any. Jason - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:35:37 -0500 From: "Ujvary, Richard A." Subject: [AVALON] Re:MoreThanThis Guitar Well from a new "Avalonian" here, this is the song that got me hooked. I can understand the quest for Roxy guitar heaven. It's amazing what a four-note riff married to a synth or whatever can do. Where was it picked out from? Going to hyperbole now.... For me, it's one of the greatest songs ever and the album itself is a Roxy/Ferry number one. On MTT, I see Ferry for the songwriting credit. He did it all? Words, music, riff etc etc? Must've been on some creativity enhancer.. And as for ATGB, I know Ferry likes the old stuff and his roots but in a way I always feel that he's got such great potential to surpass himself in his art and produce new creative work away from covers. I'm anxiously waitin' for the breakthrough. If you ask me he should go and call up some people, sit down, have a chat and cup of tea, talk a little and then bring out the synths, geetars, cymbals and drums. What pops up could be a nice surprise for Roxy/Ferryites. Rich(USA) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 07:35:41 -0800 (PST) From: Neil Ashar Subject: Re: [AVALON] Addendum - Censorship? Arena interview 1994 (I believe): Friend of Ferry's describing his breakup with Jerry and the recording of "The Bride Stripped Bare": "And we were all doing too much coke at the time..." Neil - --- Kicki Gustafsson wrote: > eman wrote: > > >The other missing message was on a topic mention on this list > before, and > >broached disarmingly > >by Mister BF himself in the Telegraph interview. (Drug and > alchohol > >usage). > >I would think if the man himself can self-effacingly address the > issue in a > >newspaper interview -- that > >there would then be no reason for the topic to be verboten here. > >Additionally, I would think, in light of this, that a list manager, > would > >take that into account and realise > >that the man-topic behind this list had himself opened that door! > > > >If the information were not public knowledge, acknowledged freely > and openly > >by the Maestro himself, then > >I could understand the censoring......perhaps, as heresay or rumour. > > > >But, the man has discussed it in PRINT! > > Have you actually read the interview?? > The reporter Jim Shelley writes about Ferry: "and in 1993 she [Lucy] > revealed > that after two years of attending AA and NA meetings she had been > admitted > to Farm Place, a detox clinic in Surrey, to be treated for drink and > drug > dependency. For his part, Ferry confessed he was prone to bouts of > excessive drinking and depression." > Ferry himself never mentions anything about it in actual quotes. > So, apparently Ferry has admitted that he used to drink too much, and > his > wife has admitted that she had problems with both drink&drugs. > How can you be referring to this article and state that it is common > knowledge that Ferry has been using/is using drugs? > Show me an interview where he admits to using cocaine. > Show me an interview where he admits to using smack. > Show me an interview where he admits smoking pot. > > Until you (or anyone else) do, the rumours about Ferry and drugs are > heresay, rumour and slander. > /Kicki G > > --------------------------- > Kicki Gustafsson > http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG > kicki.gustafsson@op.se > > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:00:09 -0500 From: Heather James Subject: Re: [AVALON] Addendum - Censorship? I think its a whole lot different for someone claiming to be one of Bryan's contempories to say "we all used a lot back then", than it would be for Bryan himself to say it in print. And as long as Bryan didn't say it, Kicki is nervous about someone here slandering Bryan in Avalon. Frankly - I LIKE the Avalon list way to much to risk it on such slim info - don't we have better things to talk about? -= )-(eather =- >------------------< hjames@thewebgal.com Heather's Website: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/ My Roxy Music site: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ >-----------------------------------------------------< Neil Ashar wrote: > > Arena interview 1994 (I believe): > Friend of Ferry's describing his breakup with Jerry and the recording > of "The Bride Stripped Bare": "And we were all doing too much coke at > the time..." > > Neil > > --- Kicki Gustafsson wrote: > > eman wrote: > > > > >The other missing message was on a topic mention on this list > > before, and > > >broached disarmingly > > >by Mister BF himself in the Telegraph interview. (Drug and > > alchohol > > >usage). > > >I would think if the man himself can self-effacingly address the > > issue in a > > >newspaper interview -- that > > >there would then be no reason for the topic to be verboten here. > > >Additionally, I would think, in light of this, that a list manager, > > would > > >take that into account and realise > > >that the man-topic behind this list had himself opened that door! > > > > > >If the information were not public knowledge, acknowledged freely > > and openly > > >by the Maestro himself, then > > >I could understand the censoring......perhaps, as heresay or rumour. > > > > > >But, the man has discussed it in PRINT! > > > > Have you actually read the interview?? > > The reporter Jim Shelley writes about Ferry: "and in 1993 she [Lucy] > > revealed > > that after two years of attending AA and NA meetings she had been > > admitted > > to Farm Place, a detox clinic in Surrey, to be treated for drink and > > drug > > dependency. For his part, Ferry confessed he was prone to bouts of > > excessive drinking and depression." > > Ferry himself never mentions anything about it in actual quotes. > > So, apparently Ferry has admitted that he used to drink too much, and > > his > > wife has admitted that she had problems with both drink&drugs. > > How can you be referring to this article and state that it is common > > knowledge that Ferry has been using/is using drugs? > > Show me an interview where he admits to using cocaine. > > Show me an interview where he admits to using smack. > > Show me an interview where he admits smoking pot. > > > > Until you (or anyone else) do, the rumours about Ferry and drugs are > > heresay, rumour and slander. > > /Kicki G > > > > --------------------------- > > Kicki Gustafsson > > http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG > > kicki.gustafsson@op.se > > > __________________________________________________ - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:29:14 EST From: JObinv01@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Boston Boot In a message dated 29/11/99 15:22:38 GMT Standard Time, ASchulberg@aol.com writes: << Great Britain (or is it UK? Is there a difference?) >> Yip, UK is quicker to type J.O'B. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 08:43:00 -0800 From: Eric Gregory Subject: RE: [AVALON] question it was "same old scene." 1st roxy song i ever heard & it was due to that record. ______________________________________________ Eric S. Gregory IVR Assistant egregory@standard.com (503) 321-8503 ____________________________________________ - -----Original Message----- From: Will Frechette [mailto:will@execpc.com] Sent: Thursday, November 25, 1999 2:05 AM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] question A friend of mine on the Concrete Blonde list I'm on asked a question of me about Roxy and I must pass it on to you guys. What Roxy song was in the kiddie movie Times Square. Being a punk fan I actually saw it in a theater. Imagine my surprise when I found out it was about a couple of twelve year old girls who wear garbage bags as a fashion statement and save time square from being bulldozed. I think Tim Curry played a DJ in it but that was 20 years ago. Will - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:09:57 EST From: JFROXY@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Casanova boot mp3 In a message dated 29/11/99 03:16:42 GMT Standard Time, ASchulberg@aol.com writes: << A fierce and sustained round of applause for our incredibly dedicated and hard-working Webmistress, the fabulous Kicki!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> Encore,encore! - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:33:03 EST From: MonquiBoy@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] PWeasE Do not sensor eman!!! He is marrie&d to BOWieEE byu Monkey, age 2 - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:30:14 EST From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Casanova boot mp3 In a message dated 11/29/1999 9:47:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, kicki.gustafsson@op.se writes: << Arnie...should I say thank you or do you just want to borrow money? ;-) >> Just having a "relationship" with a redheaded Swedish girl is all the reward I need. Arnie - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:39:56 -0600 From: "Will Frechette" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Addendum - Censorship? and emails sent as html docs I think? Will - ----- Original Message ----- From: Colleen Matan > > There is a list owner but no moderator. It seems a while back he told us > what kinds of posts would be automatically rejected by the software--I > vaguely remember something about attachments, posts which were forwards > instead of replies or new messages sent to the list, and something about a > limit on the size of individual posts. So you may want to check the > format and length of whatever it was you were trying to send. > > Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:20:27 +0000 From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: [AVALON] Boston 11/7/99 Oh me too! Richard Edward & Jennifer Kolkman wrote: > How do I get these? Please someone help! > Anxiously, > Edward > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > ASchulberg@aol.com > Sent: Friday, November 26, 1999 6:19 PM > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: [AVALON] Boston 11/7/99 > > IT'S HERE! > > What a terrific package. Two cds, color photo liners, track list. I'm just > starting to listen to it and it sounds great. It's definitely a boot and not > a soundboard recording but I think everyone will be very pleased. > > Here's the setlist: > > Disc One > Usher's Warning > The Girls Perform > Nightfall > The Way You Look Tonight > Love Me Or Leave Me > Smoke Gets In Your Eyes > Chance Meeting > Easy Living > Lover Come Back To Me > Carrickfergus > I Can't Get Started > Where or When > Casanova > Bittersweet > I'm For It Too (what's this one???) > The Only Face > > Disc Two > Sunset > September Song > You Do Something To Me > Falling In Love Again > Just One Of Those Things > Avalon > Jealous Guy > Let's Stay Together > Do The Strand > As Time Goes By > > I'll post more about this tomorrow, after I've listened to it all the way > through a couple of times. Initial impression- very favorable. > > Arnie > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:23:53 +0000 From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: [AVALON] Album structures From Stranded on the Side One track one has usually been the single. Only a few exceptions I think Richard Martin Stockman wrote: > ---------- > >From: "Alan Pestridge" > > Does anyone know the value placed on track sequences/album structures by BF > > and RM? I would have thought it would be a very high priority given the > > theme of opening and closing tracks (usually a longish intro. on the first > > track, slow wind down last track). > > Hi Alan > > Anthony Price, in that BBC radio programme "The Roxy Music Story", makes > numerous references to the control Bryan exerts over the total product. I > think that "track listing" would definitely fall within this. He also refers > to the physicality of operating vinyl, the picking up and placing the needle > in the groove, the spacial awareness of where the track actually is on the > disc. > > Over half of the RM/BF catalogue was created with two sides of a record (or > a cassette) in mind rather than the straight run-through of a CD, and his > artist's attention to detail coupled with his stylist's attention to product > would surely have led him to focus on the "map" of the album. > > In this sense not only opening and last tracks are important. The openers on > Side 2, for instance, are interesting. "Serenade", say, is upbeat single > material but lacked the attack of "Street Life" so made a good Side 2 > opener. Ditto "The Main Thing" v "More Than This." (Okay, I know She Sells > knocks this theory on the head but I think that was just to keep frizzy > Eddie quiet.) > > I used to have a theory that track 2 was where Ferry hid his secret > favourite. Beauty Queen, Can't Let Go, End Of The Line, Ladytron, Smoke Gets > in Your Eyes, Will you still love me. The exceptions that (dis)prove this > rule stack up though ! (All Night Operator, Trash, NYC !!!) > > I'm sure others have similar pet theories. > > Regards all > > Martini > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:53:28 -0500 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dav=ECd?= Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry. Bryan Ferry. Vindicated at last... :-) At 08:50 PM 11/23/1999 -0500, you wrote: >If I remember correctly the article you are mentioning was either in Details >or FACE where the NYC / Bond movie meeting was mentioned...I remember the >remark about Disney Land quite well. >I still have both somewhere. >Be Well >John D Cheers, ______ / ____ \ __ / / / / / / / / / / __ / / / / / / \_\ / / / / / / ___ __ _ __ ____/ / / / / / / \ \ \ / / / / / __ / / /___/ / / /_\ \ \ \/ / / / / /_/ / __ __ __ __ __ /_______/ /_/ \_\ \__/ /_/ \____/ /_/ /_/ /_/ /_/ /_/ DavdMock@America.Net CPL593H! -Bryan Ferry, 1972 ____________________________________ |~|Have a look at my web site... |~| |~|Shakatak |~| |~|Swing Out Sister |~| |~|80's pop |~| |~| (Peter Godwin, Fashion, |~| |~| Modern Romance, Belouis Some,|~| |~| Strange Advance, Mari Wilson)|~| |~|Atlanta Bands |~| |~| (Rose Whipperr & Marc Stowe, |~| |~| The Brains, Face Of Concern, |~| |~| Design, Liking The Idea) |~| |~|Lounge Music |~| |~|Hamlet & |~| |~|Raymond Chandler pages |~| |~|An Atlanta Argosy |~| |~|Lotsa cool stuff! |~| - ------------------------------------ http://america.net/~davdmock/ - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:59:29 -0000 From: "Robert Whiteford" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Boston Boot It is indeed quicker to type but also UK includes Northern Ireland whereas Great Britain does not. PS anyone going to rfh got any ideas on Bed & Breakfasts within striking distance of rfh? rob - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 29 November 1999 16:29 Subject: Re: [AVALON] Boston Boot > In a message dated 29/11/99 15:22:38 GMT Standard Time, ASchulberg@aol.com > writes: > > << Great Britain (or is it UK? Is > there a difference?) >> > > Yip, UK is quicker to type > > J.O'B. > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:43:04 +0800 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] Addendum - Censorship? >Arena interview 1994 (I believe): >Friend of Ferry's describing his breakup with Jerry and the recording >of "The Bride Stripped Bare": "And we were all doing too much coke at >the time..." Aha. A _friend_ of Ferry's? Some friend. That's hearsay. /Kicki G - --------------------------- Kicki Gustafsson http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG kicki.gustafsson@op.se - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:08:40 +0100 From: "Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Mamouna - Laying down - Standing Up - Music Eman wrote: > I've been mooding out to it every PM since the concert, topping it off > with a few CDR's of rare/unreleased DS. PM ? DS??? can you explain this ? Thanks Han - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:08:40 +0100 From: "Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Mamouna - Laying down - Standing Up - Music Eman wrote: > I've been mooding out to it every PM since the concert, topping it off > with a few CDR's of rare/unreleased DS. PM ? DS??? can you explain this ? Thanks Han - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:45:04 -0500 From: "Heather James" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Mamouna - Laying down - Standing Up - Music Perhaps ... Eman wrote: > I've been mooding out to it every PM > since the concert, topping it off with a few CDR's > of rare/unreleased DS. Possible translations? every PM = every evening a few CDRs = 2 or more CD-Recordings rare/unreleased DS = David Sylvian? Drunken Sailors? Deadbeat Singers? Perspiring mimes wanna nose!   -= )-(eather =- >------------------< hjames@thewebgal.com >------------------------------------------< - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 4:09 PM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Mamouna - Laying down - Standing Up - Music Eman wrote: > I've been mooding out to it every PM since the concert, topping it off > with a few CDR's of rare/unreleased DS. PM ? DS??? can you explain this ? Thanks Han - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:14:14 EST From: RODEISLRED@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] (rfh) If It Takes All Night Colleen's House of Pain and Discourse (tm) is within walking distance. Special Cry rooms available for sensitive European males. - --Red In a message dated 11/29/99 8:11:59 PM, robert@rwhiteford.freeserve.co.uk writes: PS anyone going to rfh got any ideas on Bed & Breakfasts within striking distance of rfh? rob >> - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V4 #391 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest