From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V4 #389 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Sunday, November 28 1999 Volume 04 : Number 389 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Xmas question ["Martin Stockman" ] [AVALON] A Spontaneous Review of "In Your Mind" ["Gregory A. Koetting" ] [AVALON] Meltdown [Chris Turner ] Re: [AVALON] Meltdown [Colleen Matan ] [AVALON] ATGB review in REQUEST [HarlowGold@aol.com] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 09:22:46 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Xmas question > Kicki Gustafsson wrote: > >> Christmas is fast approaching - what Roxy song has the most Xmas-y-feeling, >> do you think? The never did record one of those silly Christmassongs, did >> they? >> Roxy did indeed make a Christmas single, the details of which I found a year ago and duly posted thus... "One amusing, and seasonal, story in this month's Q magazine, (with fetching photo of GI clad Ferry sandwiched between cyber-air-hostesses Chanter sisters circa Siren tour,) has Roxy recording a Christmas single entitled Giddy Up / A Christmas Dream in December 1980. A Ferry/Manzanera composition, they decided it was too naff to use the Roxy name, so they put it out "for a laugh" under the pseudonym Dumbells. Anyone got it ? It was on EG records number POSP 209." I think a few of us have got it (the 3 Scottish Johns ?) Having said that I think "In Your Mind" is a great call, all those chimes ... Martino - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 04:23:54 -0500 From: Rob Kessel Subject: [AVALON] Vegas airport again Hi, I did ask him if he knew about this list and he said no. True or not I can't say. He did say he knew there was all kinds of stuff about him and about Roxy on the net. Oh really. He also said that he was going to personally supervise the content on the web site...www.bryanferry.com. I think that's about where we left that subject. As for him being aware of this list, these lists tend to be a little more difficult to come across than a web site. Rob Kessel - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 04:39:31 -0500 From: "Gregory A. Koetting" Subject: [AVALON] A Spontaneous Review of "In Your Mind" If you all can stand me doing this again... Again, I claim no sort of talant of critical reviewing; all I offer is my biased opinions..! "In Your Mind" is certainly not one of Avalonia's favorite albums to be sure, but I always dug that silly (somewhat cheesy) late 70's sound. I don't listen to this particular album often but when I do there are a few stellar tracks that bear repeating and a few that I concede are less than listenable... On the whole, I find the album a peculier transition from old-style Roxy Music to a perhaps more soulful solo Bryan Ferry. One could speculate on his state of mind with the whole Jerry Hall thing and the demise of Roxy, but I'm not capable of psycho analyzing as perhaps others on the list... Here we go... 1. This Is Tomorrow- Wow- what a really cool track! Such a departure from anything previous he had done with Roxy- that very cool intro 'under the stars' and that brilliant, clean voice.. and then the step into that sort of 70's silly guitar thing that reminds me of the worst of themes- don't ask me why but I think of big long-haul trucks when I hear that rhythm guitar and that sax paired up... But the vocals seem unusually clear and sort of above the fray of the music. 2. All Night Operator- This one is a dog- sounds like something adapted from a song from the 50's without much success. It's so bad that I would think it would fit better on "These Foolish Things." (my least favorite Ferry album) 3. One Kiss- OK- two dogs in a row. Even worse than "All Night Operator." What was he on? 4. Love Me Madly Again- YES! The very, very best song on the album... I can listen to this on repeat for an hour... The lyrics are awful, but man do I get into the loud groove here- it's like he's got a little high-pitched tension going on.. ain't natural but boy he's feelin' somethin'... And I'm a sucker for a long, draged out instrumental ending, even if Ann O'Dell has something to do with it... Pure **** candy man.... 5. Tokyo Joe- am I alone in thinking this is a little bit racist? Never got into this one- please don't remind me that the Japanese actually like this one... 6. Party Doll- Not as bad as track 2 or 3 but nothing special. Did EG say he had to have at least 8 tracks to do an album??? 7. Rock of Ages- Here's a charmer song- love that whole intro atmospheric thing... I can't put my finger on why I like the rest of the song but I just love it anyway. The back up singers are cool, the lyrics are lost on me if there's any significance to them, but the music is so... nice. The guitar thing is broken up with periods of more piano, synth, and sax, the girls again carry the song well... 8. In Your Mind- (Merry Christmas Kicki..) I love this song, too. Why? Because the lyrics are the silliest he's ever written? ("See the veiled prophet's withered gaze reflect the nouvelle vague-" if that doesn't make you laugh trying to envision that little phrase I don't know what will!) Is it because I like the sleigh bells? Is it because I like the sort of longish, lazy melody? Or is the easy chord progression? Hell, I don't really know, I just like it... This was the hardest Bryan Ferry album for me to get into but the gems on this album are inimitable. I wonder what he felt about this particular album when it was finished and what he thinks of it now. Not often has he performed any of these songs live and certainly seldom, if ever after '80. Would a version of "In Your Mind" have worked with his current touring 'orchestra?' I think it'd be interesting. Hmm... greggie/atlanta "Is it as passionate as it seemed? Was it for real or some kind of dream?" - -Bryan Ferry 1977 - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 11:24:31 -0000 From: "Robert Whiteford" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Gareth Well said that lady. Maybe some people could do with realising that a)sometimes they could be wrong and it wouldn't kill them to admit it. b) they shouldn't take themselves so seriously - be able to laugh at themselves. c) not be so paranoid. It's come to something if genuine Ferry fans don't feel welcome on the list and it seems to me some people should be feeling pretty ashamed of themselves. I am a relative newcomer and am also amazed at the personal aspect to some of this. I'll try to make this my last post on the subject. Rob - ----- Original Message ----- From: Jocelyn Fiske To: Sent: 26 November 1999 15:32 Subject: RE: [AVALON] Gareth > I have been aware of the list for a very long time but have only recently > joined, lured by the tour details if I'm honest. > > I would like to state publicaly that Gareth was one of the most welcoming > members on the list and I look forward to meeting him in Newcastle (he has > already warned me of John O'Brien's legendary drinking capacity). > > As a newcomer I am astounded by the amount of back-biting, chip-on- > shoulder, head-up-arse bullshit that spoils what has all the elements of > being such a fun list. > > No-one is better than anyone else, just different. > > The sooner EVERYONE understands this, gets of their high horses and gets a > sense of humour/humor the better. > > Let's all be more like Kiki (drag time boys!) > > And a big-up to Steve Batie's Mum who got my tickets for the Newcastle City > Hall. > > If anyone has problems with this message or the idea of commeraderie I send > you a great big Geordie kiss. > > > > Jocelyn. > > > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 07:52:16 EST From: JFROXY@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Xmas question In a message dated 27/11/99 09:25:17 GMT Standard Time, martinstockman@btinternet.com writes: << I think a few of us have got it (the 3 Scottish Johns ?) Having said that I think "In Your Mind" is a great call, all those chimes ... >> Yeah, got that one Martin, and yes definitely "In your mind", the beginning always reminds me of Christmas. JF - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 13:52:19 -0000 From: "David Squires" Subject: Re: [AVALON] 2,3,4 people [avalon-digest V4 #387] On 26 Nov 99, at 4:05, Bahi wrote: > And now, while I'm busy disappointing people, I should declare > once again my fondness for Bryan's covers of Hold On, I'm Coming Yes, a wonderful performance, "Reach out to me for satisfaction - HAH!". > and Eight Miles High. I don't like the silly McGuinn solo on the > original. No! The McGuinn is wonderful! But I have to admit that Flesh + Blood is a real low spot for me. I loved "Over You", which for me recalled the Roxy stomp of old, but that album really upset me and I sold it pronto! I've made my peace with the better tracks but very rarely play it. My remastered Mamouna arrived through my letter box this morning. To end on a positive note, an album I really enjoy. There's so much in there.... David - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 13:41:49 -0000 From: "Robert Whiteford" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Remasters Here in Kent we seem to have been lucky on this front. HMV in Maidstone had almost all of the Ferry/Roxy reissues in cardboard - two weeks ago mind you. I bought 3 but there were lots left including ATAP and LST. Ashford even has FYP. People struggling could try these places. Rob - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 26 November 1999 15:08 Subject: [AVALON] Remasters I have tracked down some remasters that I have reserved in my local record shop. They are:- Viva! 2 copies Manifesto 1 copy Heart Still Beating 1 copy They are £10.49 each they are reserved under my name and if any one wants them call +(44) 01463 729231 (MVC Inverness) and from another shop Siren 2 copies call +(44) 01463 225020 (Our Price Inverness) and from another shop (Our Price Canterbury) 01227 784202 Stranded 1 Copy If anyone wants them call direct and mention they are reserved in my name for 1 week before they will be put back on the shelves. first come first sereved regards John O'Brien - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 09:23:21 -0500 (EST) From: shinoballo@webtv.net (Jeff Pavlock) Subject: [AVALON] with much thought 1999 The late date has made me retrospective on the year so I finally decided to bore Avalonia with my best of 1999. As stated in an earlier post, it was not a great year musically....however there is salvation.... 1 Vozero- Phil Manzanera...I love this CD! It is fresh and stays so with repeated listens. Phil and the players sound inspired. I still hear a little of Phil's Beatlesque feelings here and there. 2. Rage... Before Beauty- Pretty Things..the most under appreciated band around 3. Avenue B- Iggy Pop...Iggy goes pop don't you believe it...continues to grow on me. 4. ASSH- Bryan Ferry....what's not to love about this one except it should be 10 cds long......thanks to Avalon for this one 5-Showtime- Mick Ronson. A live recording of a band that shoud have been massive. This mid 70's recording shows what we missed. A great companion to his Just Like This.. Tragic loss 6. As Time Goes By-Mr. Ferry very warm and a great one to make love to.... Ony 6 well 2000 will be better Peace and love Jeff. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 09:59:13 EST From: JObinv01@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] 2,3,4 people [avalon-digest V4 #387] In a message dated 27/11/99 13:55:42 GMT Standard Time, dsquires@nildram.co.uk writes: << > And now, while I'm busy disappointing people, I should declare > once again my fondness for Bryan's covers of Hold On, I'm Coming >> I was fortunate enough to be at the only known live performance of this song at Glasgow SECC 25 October 1994. Does any one else know of it being performed live. Regards John O'Brien - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 13:22:36 EST From: JObinv01@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Xmas question In a message dated 27/11/99 09:25:39 GMT Standard Time, martinstockman@btinternet.com writes: << has Roxy recording a Christmas single entitled Giddy Up / A Christmas Dream in December 1980. A Ferry/Manzanera composition, they decided it was too naff to use the Roxy name, so they put it out "for a laugh" under the pseudonym Dumbells. Anyone got it ? It was on EG records number POSP 209." >> I have this single. The b-side A Christmas Dream is in fact a track from Phil's "Primitive Guitars" album Europe 70-1 which sounds a wee bit J.M.Jarre ish. I have this on a CD with a few single mixes and promo version only mixes of singles and album tracks. Maybe this could become ASSH 3. We might catch up with the "Now That's What I Call Music Albums" if we can find enough stuff to reach ASSH 46 regards one third of "The three Scottish Johns" (the one with the Irish name) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 20:12:41 -0500 From: "Pat & Allison" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Xmas question I do have a vinyl copy of the Dumbells.Bought it in a little local record shop when it was released. Noticed the Ferry/Manzanara credits and went for it.You wouldnt know it was Roxy except for that, plain no pic sleeve ect...Nice instrumental, play it every xmas.----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, November 27, 1999 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Xmas question > In a message dated 27/11/99 09:25:39 GMT Standard Time, > martinstockman@btinternet.com writes: > > << has Roxy recording a Christmas single > entitled Giddy Up / A Christmas Dream in December 1980. A Ferry/Manzanera > composition, they decided it was too naff to use the Roxy name, so they > put it out "for a laugh" under the pseudonym Dumbells. Anyone got it ? It > was on EG records number POSP 209." >> > > I have this single. The b-side A Christmas Dream is in fact a track from > Phil's "Primitive Guitars" album Europe 70-1 which sounds a wee bit J.M.Jarre > ish. > I have this on a CD with a few single mixes and promo version only mixes of > singles and album tracks. Maybe this could become ASSH 3. We might catch up > with the "Now That's What I Call Music Albums" if we can find enough stuff to > reach ASSH 46 > > regards > > one third of "The three Scottish Johns" > > (the one with the Irish name) > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 03:36:46 +0000 From: Chris Turner Subject: [AVALON] Meltdown Hi all, According to an article I read, the two tracks Bryan played at Meltdown were called "John Hardy" and "Butcher Boy." Although we knew the first one, there had been some speculation about the other. Cheers Chris - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 23:33:18 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Meltdown On Sun, 28 Nov 1999, Chris Turner wrote: > Hi all, > > According to an article I read, the two tracks Bryan played at > Meltdown were called "John Hardy" and "Butcher Boy." Although we knew > the first one, there had been some speculation about the other. "The Butcher Boy" is also known as "I'll Die For You." And "I Died For Love," among other titles. (Ferry actually sings another variation of it--"The Railroad Boy.") Were the lyrics for these songs ever posted? I can't remember. Ferry sings close approximations of these variations on the songs: The Butcher Boy She went upstairs to make her bed. And not one word to her mother said. Her mother she went upstairs too, saying: "daughter oh daughter, what's troubling you?" "Oh mother oh mother I cannot tell. It's that railroad boy that looks so well. He's courted me my life away. And now at home I long to stay. "There is a place in London town where my love goes and he sits there down. And he takes a strange girl on his knee, and he tells to her what he won't tell me." Her father he came home from work, saying: "where's my daughter, she seems so hurt." He went upstairs to give her hope, and he found her hanging by the rope. He took a knife and he cut her down. And on her bosom these words he found: "Go dig my grave both wide and deep. Put a marble stone at my head and feet. "And on my grave put a snow white dove to tell the world: 'she died of love.' " John Hardy John Hardy, he was a desp'rate little man, He carried two guns ev'ry day. He shot a man on the West Virginia line, An' you ought seen John Hardy getting away. John Hardy, he got to the Keystone Bridge, He thought that he would be free. And up stepped a man and took him by his arm, Says, "Johnny, walk along with me." He sent for his poppy and his mommy, too, To come and go his bail. But money won't go a murdering case; They locked John Hardy back in jail. John Hardy, he had a pretty little girl, That dress that she wore was blue As she came skipping through the old jail hall, Saying, "Poppy, I've been true to you." John Hardy, he had another little girl, That dress that she wore was red. She followed John Hardy to his hanging ground, Saying, "Poppy, I would rather be dead." I been to the East and I been to the West, I been this wide world around. I been to the river and I been baptized, And now I'm on my hanging ground. John Hardy walked out on his scaffold high, With his loving little wife by his side. And the last words she heard poor John-O say, "I'll meet you in that sweet bye-and-bye." Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 00:27:52 EST From: HarlowGold@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] ATGB review in REQUEST The December REQUEST magazine, the freebie available at Sam Goody, Musicland and Media Play, has a review of ATGB in it. "Bryan Ferry epitomizes cool. As much of a stylist as a singer, he has been sporadic but always memorable in his solo career. On his first album since 1994's Mamouna, Ferry revisists yesteryear, covering a delicious array of standards culled from the late '20's and '30's. Unlike the recent spate of trendy jitterbug brats, Ferry handles these standards with an artist's hand. He's less interested in being retro than he is in finding the passion within these songs. Choosing from the catalogs of Cole Porter, Kurt Weill, and Rogers and Hart, Ferry gives himself much to work with. "The Way You Look Tonight" becomes rousing Hot Band jive, while "I'm in the Mood for Love" smolders with Oriental strings and ambience. As he has done since the days of Roxy Music, Ferry maintains a somewhat detached but never disengaged attitude of cool, breathing a chilled, just-shy-of-camp amour into songs that are strong enough to take it." - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V4 #389 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest