From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V4 #376 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Friday, November 19 1999 Volume 04 : Number 376 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Bry on Radio2 ["David Squires" ] Re: [AVALON] A new article about Ferry [avalon-digest V4 #370] ["David Sq] Re: [AVALON] Roxy reformation bass berth [avalon-digest V4 #371} ["David ] Re: [AVALON] Limited Edition Remasters [Heather James ] Re: [AVALON] The Punishment Of Froxy Lady ["Angel Colon" ] Re: [AVALON] Avalonia: a drag [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] Avalonia: a drag ["gareth mc ginley" ] RE: [AVALON] Avalonia: a drag [Eric Gregory ] Re: [AVALON] Avalonia: a drag [Colleen Matan ] [AVALON] Set Lists ["Amy Bettisworth" ] Re: [AVALON] Simon Puxley ["Robert Whiteford" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bry on Radio2 I will shortly have a recording of this. Perhaps a candidate for a future CD tree release? David - -- David Squires Wimbotsham Norfolk UK - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 10:13:08 -0000 From: "David Squires" Subject: Re: [AVALON] A new article about Ferry [avalon-digest V4 #370] On 16 Nov 99, at 4:05, avalon-digest wrote: > an exclusive interview with Annie Haslam Exclusive in the sense that no-one else would be particularly bothered? :-) Thanks for the information, Alexander. David - -- David Squires Wimbotsham Norfolk UK - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 11:51:57 -0000 From: "David Squires" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy reformation bass berth [avalon-digest V4 #371} On 17 Nov 99, at 4:05, David K wrote: > If the boys indeed remade and remodelled, who would we all want to see > handed the four string...you can vote for different people for recording > and touring if you wish, but John Wetton gets my vote for both. Nah, too bloody flash for his own good, Mr Wetton. With the sad unavailability of Alan Spenner, I reckon Johnny Gustaffson ought to do it. I saw him on BBC2's programme on Brian Epstein, TX last Christmas. He has a more sensible hair cut these days. And if not Johnny, perhaps Kicki would care to lend a hand? What about drummers? While being a great fan of the great Paul Thompson, repeated listening recently to In Your Mind suggests that Paul might not get the gig! Of all the drummers, it's got to be either Andy Newmark and / or Rick Marotta. Yes? David - -- David Squires Wimbotsham Norfolk UK - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 07:03:40 -0500 From: Heather James Subject: Re: [AVALON] Limited Edition Remasters Actually, for whatever reason, CDNOW.com has expanded to a larger selection of the Mini-LP style HDCD Remasters - now at $24.95 each!! I got earlier ones at 18.95, which was high already, so I can't tell you why they hit GOUGE POINT, but its excessive indeed! I'd say - go elsewhere, if you can ... -= )-(eather =- >------------------< hjames@thewebgal.com Heather's Website: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/ My Roxy Music site: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ >-----------------------------------------------------< FeliciaRen@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 11/18/99 10:04:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, > ASchulberg@aol.com writes: > > << The limited edition versions of these two Roxy Music CDs are no longer > available. >> > Check out CDNOW.com - For Your Pleasure and Country Life are both listed, but > I don't know what the availability is. > > Felicia > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -- - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 08:44:07 EST From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy reformation bass /drums etc... In a message dated 11/19/1999 2:36:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, sidmouth58@hotmail.com writes: << I believe the term is "welch", so unless you want to slur the luice people, you're O.K. :-) >> My Oxford *American* dictionary had it as "welsh". Arnie - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 08:54:42 EST From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Limited availability - LTD Edition Remasters In a message dated 11/19/1999 1:27:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, hjames@thewebgal.com writes: << Try CD-NOW. I ordered FYP & Country Life back on 10/22 - and they just came through Tuesday. They get $18 each, but thats not as bad a "gouging" as some vendors I've seen ... >> Thanks, Heather. That's for the remastered versions which are available through HMV. I'm still trying to find the remastered (limited) version, which, I believe is in the mini-album style rather than jewel case. Am I correct in my assumption, folks? Arnie - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 05:59:52 PST From: "gareth mc ginley" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Avalonia: a drag Jas wrote: > >You know with all the good will that is going on this list, you just set >a very negative and nasty tone. Without condoning John Fulton's remarks I don't think he can claim to be the only one on this list guilty of upmanship. A lot of this shit has been floating around over the last few months. For example, the often claimed view that people who dress up in suits and ties are on another plain to those who prefer jeans and t-shirt shocks me a lot more. I will probably wear a tux for the tour because it is appropriate but for the rest of the year I far rather running around in jeans and t-shirt because it's more comfortable. Occasionally I feel like a leper when I read certain messages on this list. AND on another related point.... When I joined this list a few years back I always thought that I'd be opening up messages with the expectation of reading something positive. Afterall that is what a "fan list" is for. That was true for a long while. Recently, however, I find myself opening up messages from certain people completely expecting a negative tone. Colleen's messages, for example, have been 90% negative over the last 4 or 5 months. That is not to say there is anything wrong with negative opinions, it's just that you expect some degree of passion from "fans". I've posted a few negative things myself but I at least hope that when people are opening up my messages that they are expecting something positive by the laws of averages. I really have to wonder why somebody so negative(and she is not the only one), who posts a lot and seems to be tuned in 100% of the time, is on this list. Whatever Colleen or other may say, for me, a list that used to be an absolute joy is turning into a complete and utter drag. And the sad thing is that it's only a very small group that are ruining its spirit. The first priority of this list should be the fun element. There seems to be a loss of perspective. Gareth ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 10:05:30 -0500 From: "Angel Colon" Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Punishment Of Froxy Lady Despite the volatile nature of the comments that JFROXY made about "blacking" singers, I have to say that in all honesty I have found all back up vocalists to be quite intrusive and distracting during the last few tours, judging from the live tracks and videos I have seen. The newer material obviously works with the back-ups, but the older tunes are usually sacrificed, and end up sounding Vegas-y or bombastic. I do not feel that this makes any racial comments, if indeed they were racially motivated, justifiable (although there is no time when a racial comment is justified) Angel - -----Original Message----- From: jspellman To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Thursday, November 18, 1999 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Punishment Of Froxy Lady >> >I suggest that if JFROXY is to remain on this list he must sing 'Ebony and >> >Ivory' in full drag--or nude, his choice--in front of a group of Avalonians >> >(numbering no less than four) at one of the upcoming overseas shows. >> > >> >--Red >> >> Only John need to be punished, not the rest of us! > >LOL! ---- Froxy Lady, WhaWoo WhaWhaWoo! > >Jim > > > > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 10:37:06 -0500 From: jspellman Subject: Re: [AVALON] Backup Vocals Angel Colon wrote: > ... I have to say that in all honesty I have found all back > up vocalists to be quite intrusive and distracting during the last few > tours, judging from the live tracks and videos I have seen. The newer > material obviously works with the back-ups, but the older tunes are usually > sacrificed, and end up sounding Vegas-y or bombastic....... > I know what you mean. I thought the whole big band on the High Roadwas "Vegas-y" from the bouncy beat to the backup vox. Some songs were great but others were just too happy. Having said that, I loved the singers on the Bete Noir (Newtown) tour. I thought they added a lot to the music and the show. I thought the singers on the '94 Mamouna tour were pretty bland even though they added good vocals, I felt no excitement from them. Didn't care for the Sirens too much. But do check out Fonzi Thorton's vocals on More Than This. He blends so well with Bryan's it creates such a lush texture. And then there is the original band singing on Remake Remodel, that was cool! Jim - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 11:13:39 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Avalonia: a drag Indeed. While I'm of course honored to have caught Gareth's attention, I have to say that I've seen lots of rude things over the years I've been online, but this one really takes the cake. Congratulations, Gareth. On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, gareth mc ginley wrote: [...] > When I joined this list a few years back I always thought that I'd be > opening up messages with the expectation of reading something positive. When I joined this list many years ago, I never thought that I'd be opening up messages posted to the list which contained unprovoked personal attacks. In fact, when I first read this I thought it was a private message to me from Gareth which had gone astray (since the confusion between private email and posts to the list seems endemic to Avalon). As I read on it became all too clear that he did indeed intend to send this to the list. > Afterall that is what a "fan list" is for. That was true for a long while. No, that is what *you* think a fan list is for, and there is actually a distinction between the two. This is a *discussion list*, and the last time I checked "discussion" encompassed more than sycophantic ass-kissing and "me-tooing." > Recently, however, I find myself opening up messages from certain people > completely expecting a negative tone. A suggestion: free your mind from those deleterious preconceived notions. Another one: filter messages from those "certain people" into your trash automatically (I think Hotmail offers this option). A third one: simply delete them, unread. Voila! Your problem is solved. > Colleen's messages, for example, have > been 90% negative over the last 4 or 5 months. That is not to say there is > anything wrong with negative opinions, it's just that you expect some degree > of passion from "fans". And this "passion" of which you speak can be manifested only in rave reviews and ever-increasing spirals of compliments? Please. And yes, I've been critical of the new album. So what? Now I'm not entitled to my opinions because they displease Master Gareth? Not bloody likely. I have offered critical opinions--and not critical solely in the sense of negative, but in its original sense of judging something on its merits and faults--yes. And your point is? You're banning critical thought from Avalon because you can't grasp it or prepare a suitable rebuttal to it when it appears? The list has be brought down to your comfort level? > I've posted a few negative things myself but I at > least hope that when people are opening up my messages that they are > expecting something positive by the laws of averages. I do not--nor does anyone else, for that matter--exist on this list at your sufferance. I've said it before and now I'll say it again: if you can't deal with anything other than a happy talk mailing list, start your own. It can be champagne dreams and pashima pillows all day long and the real world need never intrude. While you're at it, write a list charter which forbids sarcasm and critical thought and requires that humor and irony be labeled as such so that you can recognize them when they appear. I can even supply you with a URL for a list which you might like to use as a model. That way you won't ever have to deal with people who opinions differ from yours. > I really have to > wonder why somebody so negative(and she is not the only one), who posts a > lot and seems to be tuned in 100% of the time, is on this list. I really have to wonder how someone could be both so rude and arrogant to specify, in public, how and what another member of a mailing list should write. And I really have to wonder how this same person could have the audacity to suggest, in public, that the other person should leave the mailing list just because their postings displease them. I will not be bullied into being quiet or only posting things that please you. Here's a bulletin for you Gareth: you are not in charge of this mailing list. Hope that doesn't come as too much of a shock to you. Second, here's another suggestion for you: locate the "Delete" button in the Hotmail interface. Use it liberally. Trust me, it's what most of us do here to things which don't interest us. I use it myself quite a bit. I, nor anyone else I'd wager, do not exist on this mailing list for your personal entertainment or edification. The idea that you could use a public post to the list as a forum to suggest that I do not belong here has staggered me with its pomposity and presumption. As we peasants say here in the United States: "Get over yourself, honey." > Whatever Colleen or other may say, for me, a list that used to be an > absolute joy is turning into a complete and utter drag. And the sad thing > is that it's only a very small group that are ruining its spirit. The first > priority of this list should be the fun element. There seems to be a loss > of perspective. Again, Gareth, this is how *you* feel. If you think that I am going to change who I am or do radial edits to my posts because now I'm trembling because you don't like me or what I write, you are sadly mistaken. In fact, I am *deeply* offended that you could feel justified in posting this nonsense to the list and launching this completely unprovoked *personal* attack on me, as cowardly as it is at heart. Also isn't it the tiniest bit hypocritical of you to rail against what you perceive as negativity and then to contribute to it yourself? No one here is paid to write only stuff that you like or which amuses or pleases you. If you don't like the state of things, then please, feel free to start threads and discussions on topics of interest to you. Instead of blaming other people--this mysterious "small group" and The Evil Colleen--take some responsibility. Arguing about music is all well and good. But attacking me and not my arguments regarding the musical issues raised means that you have run out of ideas and have exhausted all of your intellectual reserves. And that is what saddens me the most. Because I expect more from Avalon than this. Colleen (who never wears jeans or t-shirts) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:53:37 -0000 From: "David Squires" Subject: [AVALON] Re: LA Concert [avalon-digest V4 #375] On 19 Nov 99, at 4:05, Neil Ashar The band was in top form; he seems to have a partiality to blondes in > his string sections and unattractive bald men in his other sections. Hey, so I'm in with a chance then? David (not blonde) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 12:25:48 -0500 From: Jeff Kay Subject: Re: [AVALON] Avalonia: a drag snore Colleen Matan wrote: > Indeed. > > While I'm of course honored to have caught Gareth's attention, I have to > say that I've seen lots of rude things over the years I've been online, > but this one really takes the cake. Congratulations, Gareth. > > On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, gareth mc ginley wrote: > > [...] > > > When I joined this list a few years back I always thought that I'd be > > opening up messages with the expectation of reading something positive. > > When I joined this list many years ago, I never thought that I'd be > opening up messages posted to the list which contained unprovoked personal > attacks. In fact, when I first read this I thought it was a private > message to me from Gareth which had gone astray (since the confusion > between private email and posts to the list seems endemic to Avalon). As > I read on it became all too clear that he did indeed intend to send this > to the list. > > > Afterall that is what a "fan list" is for. That was true for a long while. > > No, that is what *you* think a fan list is for, and there is actually a > distinction between the two. This is a *discussion list*, and the last > time I checked "discussion" encompassed more than sycophantic ass-kissing > and "me-tooing." > > > Recently, however, I find myself opening up messages from certain people > > completely expecting a negative tone. > > A suggestion: free your mind from those deleterious preconceived notions. > Another one: filter messages from those "certain people" into your trash > automatically (I think Hotmail offers this option). A third one: simply > delete them, unread. Voila! Your problem is solved. > > > Colleen's messages, for example, have > > been 90% negative over the last 4 or 5 months. That is not to say there is > > anything wrong with negative opinions, it's just that you expect some degree > > of passion from "fans". > > And this "passion" of which you speak can be manifested only in rave > reviews and ever-increasing spirals of compliments? Please. > > And yes, I've been critical of the new album. So what? Now I'm not > entitled to my opinions because they displease Master Gareth? Not bloody > likely. I have offered critical opinions--and not critical solely in the > sense of negative, but in its original sense of judging something on its > merits and faults--yes. And your point is? You're banning critical > thought from Avalon because you can't grasp it or prepare a suitable > rebuttal to it when it appears? The list has be brought down to your > comfort level? > > > I've posted a few negative things myself but I at > > least hope that when people are opening up my messages that they are > > expecting something positive by the laws of averages. > > I do not--nor does anyone else, for that matter--exist on this list at > your sufferance. I've said it before and now I'll say it again: if you > can't deal with anything other than a happy talk mailing list, start your > own. It can be champagne dreams and pashima pillows all day long and the > real world need never intrude. While you're at it, write a list charter > which forbids sarcasm and critical thought and requires that humor and > irony be labeled as such so that you can recognize them when they appear. > I can even supply you with a URL for a list which you might like to use as > a model. That way you won't ever have to deal with people who opinions > differ from yours. > > > I really have to > > wonder why somebody so negative(and she is not the only one), who posts a > > lot and seems to be tuned in 100% of the time, is on this list. > > I really have to wonder how someone could be both so rude and arrogant to > specify, in public, how and what another member of a mailing list should > write. And I really have to wonder how this same person could have the > audacity to suggest, in public, that the other person should leave the > mailing list just because their postings displease them. > > I will not be bullied into being quiet or only posting things that please > you. > > Here's a bulletin for you Gareth: you are not in charge of this mailing > list. Hope that doesn't come as too much of a shock to you. > > Second, here's another suggestion for you: locate the "Delete" button in > the Hotmail interface. Use it liberally. Trust me, it's what most of us > do here to things which don't interest us. I use it myself quite a bit. > > I, nor anyone else I'd wager, do not exist on this mailing list for your > personal entertainment or edification. The idea that you could use a > public post to the list as a forum to suggest that I do not belong here > has staggered me with its pomposity and presumption. As we peasants say > here in the United States: "Get over yourself, honey." > > > Whatever Colleen or other may say, for me, a list that used to be an > > absolute joy is turning into a complete and utter drag. And the sad thing > > is that it's only a very small group that are ruining its spirit. The first > > priority of this list should be the fun element. There seems to be a loss > > of perspective. > > Again, Gareth, this is how *you* feel. If you think that I am going to > change who I am or do radial edits to my posts because now I'm trembling > because you don't like me or what I write, you are sadly mistaken. In > fact, I am *deeply* offended that you could feel justified in posting this > nonsense to the list and launching this completely unprovoked *personal* > attack on me, as cowardly as it is at heart. > > Also isn't it the tiniest bit hypocritical of you to rail against what you > perceive as negativity and then to contribute to it yourself? > > No one here is paid to write only stuff that you like or which amuses or > pleases you. If you don't like the state of things, then please, feel > free to start threads and discussions on topics of interest to you. > Instead of blaming other people--this mysterious "small group" and The > Evil Colleen--take some responsibility. > > Arguing about music is all well and good. But attacking me and not my > arguments regarding the musical issues raised means that you have run out > of ideas and have exhausted all of your intellectual reserves. And that > is what saddens me the most. Because I expect more from Avalon than this. > > Colleen (who never wears jeans or t-shirts) > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 09:39:34 PST From: "gareth mc ginley" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Avalonia: a drag >And yes, I've been critical of the new album. So what? Now I'm not >entitled to my opinions because they displease Master Gareth? Not bloody >likely. C'mon Colleen. You have been unbelievably negative over the last few months. It's not just the new album. Numerous items have been discussed on this list recently and you have spoken negatively on just about everything. The only thing you have spoken positively about is the tour and even then you seemed to be changing your mind after a few days. You keep going on about people having no basis to attack you personaly, when you were in fact criticising the new album long before it came out, without any basis for your arguement. That is surely the ultimate in hypocrisy. I think I have every right to personally attack you because you seem so certain that your opinions are correct, and that others opinions are wrong. I think anyone who creates such a negative tone in any environent should be attacked personally. I think you are a hypocrite. You seem to think that you have this moral highground over everyone else, when you yourself are just as bad, if not worse. For example, last week I sent out a message stating Ferry has brought more intellignece and taste to bare on pop music than anyone else. You ripped this arguement apart in a very pretentious, sarcastic and bitter way. These are exactly the things you are now accusing me off. My opinions weren't at all biased because the music media, who are prone to taking Ferry down a peg or two, have constantly held that view. You just have to look at his lyrics, his use of wordplay, his use of rhythm, and his style amongst other things to see that this arguement has its merits. You wouldn't even give it the time of day. > > >And I really have to wonder how this same person could have the >audacity to suggest, in public, that the other person should leave the >mailing list just because their postings displease them. > I never asked you to leave the mailing list, though I would be delighted if you would (only joking). No, I am just amazed that somebody who is so negative on something can be bothered with it. It is labelled a "discussion forum", but at the end of the day unless you're a fan why would you be bothered? I just can't understand why you play such an active role, without seeming to have any hint of passion in your heart for Ferry and his music. > > > >Also isn't it the tiniest bit hypocritical of you to rail against what you >perceive as negativity and then to contribute to it yourself? I have stayed away from it in the past. I have bitten my tongue on many of your messages, in particular. I know that people just aren't interested. Everybody has enough hassles without having to worry about this. This list is supposed to provide some end of the day entertainment, not another episode of Question Time. I hoped that my message might result in a more positive tone on the list. But clearly you are going to make sure that this never happens. Gareth ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 09:45:27 -0800 From: Eric Gregory Subject: RE: [AVALON] Avalonia: a drag crybaby. ______________________________________________ Eric S. Gregory IVR Assistant egregory@standard.com (503) 321-8503 ____________________________________________ - -----Original Message----- From: gareth mc ginley [mailto:ginley71@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, November 19, 1999 9:40 AM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Avalonia: a drag >And yes, I've been critical of the new album. So what? Now I'm not >entitled to my opinions because they displease Master Gareth? Not bloody >likely. C'mon Colleen. You have been unbelievably negative over the last few months. It's not just the new album. Numerous items have been discussed on this list recently and you have spoken negatively on just about everything. The only thing you have spoken positively about is the tour and even then you seemed to be changing your mind after a few days. You keep going on about people having no basis to attack you personaly, when you were in fact criticising the new album long before it came out, without any basis for your arguement. That is surely the ultimate in hypocrisy. I think I have every right to personally attack you because you seem so certain that your opinions are correct, and that others opinions are wrong. I think anyone who creates such a negative tone in any environent should be attacked personally. I think you are a hypocrite. You seem to think that you have this moral highground over everyone else, when you yourself are just as bad, if not worse. For example, last week I sent out a message stating Ferry has brought more intellignece and taste to bare on pop music than anyone else. You ripped this arguement apart in a very pretentious, sarcastic and bitter way. These are exactly the things you are now accusing me off. My opinions weren't at all biased because the music media, who are prone to taking Ferry down a peg or two, have constantly held that view. You just have to look at his lyrics, his use of wordplay, his use of rhythm, and his style amongst other things to see that this arguement has its merits. You wouldn't even give it the time of day. > > >And I really have to wonder how this same person could have the >audacity to suggest, in public, that the other person should leave the >mailing list just because their postings displease them. > I never asked you to leave the mailing list, though I would be delighted if you would (only joking). No, I am just amazed that somebody who is so negative on something can be bothered with it. It is labelled a "discussion forum", but at the end of the day unless you're a fan why would you be bothered? I just can't understand why you play such an active role, without seeming to have any hint of passion in your heart for Ferry and his music. > > > >Also isn't it the tiniest bit hypocritical of you to rail against what you >perceive as negativity and then to contribute to it yourself? I have stayed away from it in the past. I have bitten my tongue on many of your messages, in particular. I know that people just aren't interested. Everybody has enough hassles without having to worry about this. This list is supposed to provide some end of the day entertainment, not another episode of Question Time. I hoped that my message might result in a more positive tone on the list. But clearly you are going to make sure that this never happens. Gareth ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 13:07:27 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Avalonia: a drag On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, gareth mc ginley wrote: > C'mon Colleen. You have been unbelievably negative over the last few > months. It's not just the new album. Numerous items have been discussed on > this list recently and you have spoken negatively on just about everything. > The only thing you have spoken positively about is the tour and even then > you seemed to be changing your mind after a few days. I have? I think I've hewn pretty close to what I originally wrote. > You keep going on about people having no basis to attack you personaly, when > you were in fact criticising the new album long before it came out, without > any basis for your arguement. That is surely the ultimate in hypocrisy. I What? Why are you talking my comments about a record you had no hand creating in so personally? Geez, it's just my opinion. What do you care what I think? And how do my comments about the *record* constitute a basis for a *personal* attack? I'm truly mystified by this logic. > think I have every right to personally attack you because you seem so > certain that your opinions are correct, and that others opinions are wrong. > I think anyone who creates such a negative tone in any environent should be > attacked personally. I think you are a hypocrite. You seem to think that How nice for you. It's wonderful that you think you have "every right" make personal attacks in public on people you disagree with and on those who disagree with you. Are you the policeman of Avalon now? > you have this moral highground over everyone else, when you yourself are > just as bad, if not worse. For example, last week I sent out a message > stating Ferry has brought more intellignece and taste to bare on pop music > than anyone else. You ripped this arguement apart in a very pretentious, > sarcastic and bitter way. These are exactly the things you are now accusing > me off. My opinions weren't at all biased because the music media, who are > prone to taking Ferry down a peg or two, have constantly held that view. > You just have to look at his lyrics, his use of wordplay, his use of rhythm, > and his style amongst other things to see that this arguement has its > merits. You wouldn't even give it the time of day. Ah, so *this* is what this crap is all about. OK, so I disagreed with it. I still do. I'm not allowed to do that? And instead of responding to my argument with facts or examples, a week later you launch this hissy fit. Again, I maintain that once a discussion goes personal like this it means that the attacker has run of of steam. And it's "bear," by the way. And sheesh Gareth, if it was because your feelings were hurt, why not write me privately instead of launching a public attack on me? > I never asked you to leave the mailing list, though I would be delighted if > you would (only joking). No, I am just amazed that somebody who is so > negative on something can be bothered with it. It is labelled a "discussion > forum", but at the end of the day unless you're a fan why would you be > bothered? I just can't understand why you play such an active role, without > seeming to have any hint of passion in your heart for Ferry and his music. I've said this, oh, a million times. So here's #1,000,001: You can love something or someone passionately and still be very aware of their flaws. If you can't see the passion reflected within my disappointment, well, I'm sorry if what I write is too nuanced for you. Again, I don't see why I or anyone else should have to subscribe to your definition of what constitutes a fan or appropriate participation on this list. > I have stayed away from it in the past. I have bitten my tongue on many of > your messages, in particular. I know that people just aren't interested. > Everybody has enough hassles without having to worry about this. This list > is supposed to provide some end of the day entertainment, not another > episode of Question Time. I hoped that my message might result in a more > positive tone on the list. But clearly you are going to make sure that this > never happens. Oh c'mon, Gareth. Spare us the melodrama. I'm not allowed to defend myself? Lovely. And as for my making sure that "this never happens": I'm one of literally *hundreds* of people on this list, *none* of whom I have any control over whatsoever, so let's try to get control of the hysteria and hyperbole, OK? Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 13:19:25 EST From: Helchat@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Re: Seattle Paramount Tickets Mark in Seattle wrote: Subject: [AVALON] A Happy Mail Here I come, like Santa, bringing you nothing but strange delights and Swedish snow :-) Check out the just updated Avalon-site at http://home.op.se/opse3503/ and you will find two new reviews, one from Chicago and one from Oakland. Thank you Candace and thank you Bill! And, from David, a really cool picture of Mr Ferrandino in one of his two favourite New York hotels. Do yourself a favour - visit Avalon. (spoken with true emotion) /Kicki G - your friendly Webmistress P.S Gareth - leave the mudcakes outside, boy! - --------------------------- Kicki Gustafsson http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG kicki.gustafsson@op.se - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:42:52 -0500 From: "Amy Bettisworth" Subject: [AVALON] Set Lists Does anyone have set lists for the Bete Noire and Mamouna tours? I saw them both in Detroit, but neglected to take notes. I would love to have the set lists to go with my ticket stubs. Thanks all! Amy B. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 20:20:09 -0000 From: "Robert Whiteford" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Simon Puxley I don't know if this is common knowledge but the following is pasted from a message sent to me by the same source who appeared to know the "old songs" on the concert menu ahead of the shows. I got the message today. "...... Simon Puxley...BF'S best friend passed away...was there any news on that in the uk?............ " did you all know this ? I certainly didn't. In fact isn't he on the credits for ATGB ? Very sad indeed - he seemed a very enigmatic character. Rob. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:51:52 -0500 (EST) From: shinoballo@webtv.net (Jeff Pavlock) Subject: [AVALON] 1999 I was reading some magazine and it struck me that either I am getting old or 1999 was a crap year for new music. The best new CD I got this year was Rage...Before Beauty by the Pretty Things. I like ATGB and would put it in the top ten of a typical year but my question to Avalonia is what new things came out that this old fella missed. I have Bowie's new one and Phil's Vozero due in the mail this weekend so all might not be lost. I seem to be stuck in reissueville. Mick Ronson's two Showtime and Just Like This were new releases but recorded in the 70's......help me oh faithful Avalonia....what did I miss....decrepitly Jeff - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V4 #376 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest