From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V4 #360 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, November 10 1999 Volume 04 : Number 360 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] cad shoes & scoundrels pt. 2 ["mark shanahan" ] Re: [AVALON] cad shoes & scoundrels pt. 2 ["Tim Kendrick" ] Re: [AVALON] Re: On The Road ["Killip family" ] [AVALON] AVALON mailing list holds its breath [ASchulberg@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] cad shoes & scoundrels pt. 2 ["James James" ] Re: [AVALON] Exclusive photographs ["Tim Kendrick" ] Re: [AVALON] If I Didn't Care ["Richard Swift" ] Re: [AVALON] Re: On The Road - in Liverpool ["Richard Swift" ] Re: [AVALON] the Toronto show [Richard Evans ] Re: [AVALON] If I Didn't Care [Noam Bronstein ] Re: [AVALON] but I do care #2 [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] but I do care #2 ["Robert Whiteford" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:57:11 PST From: "mark shanahan" Subject: [AVALON] cad shoes & scoundrels pt. 2 ('details' magazine, may '93) Q: What draws you to a song? BF: A sense of darkness, a sense of longing. Q: What do you consider the best songs you've written? BF: "In Every Dream Home a Heartache", "Mother of Pearl", "Do the Strand", at a pinch. Q: Are you a depressed person? BF: Some people think so. I'm certainly a very obsessed and driven person. Is it worth it? I don't know. Should a grown man be doing this rather than digging in the garden? I don't know. I do know that the fantasy life of rock'n'roll -- the girls, the limos, the planes -- can only maintain your interest for so long. It can be great fun, but to build a whole life out of it eventually becomes rather sad. Q: Are you a snob? BF: I'd hate to think I was a conventional snob. I have not forgotten my humble origins. But I would admit that Louis XIV is more up my alley than Karl Marx. Q: What tells you more about a man; his shoes or his handshake? BF: His shoes. Much more. They could be finely pointed, chiseled, brogued, woven, polished, scuffed, rubber- or leather-soled, high-heeled, casual, slipshod, or tight and to the point. These are the things that tell us what a man really is. Q: What are your shoes saying about you? BF: They're suggesting some kind of scoundrel. A cad. They were bought in Corsica. Would you trust a man who wore shoes like this? Absolutely not! Q: What more do they say about you? BF: They're slightly left-wing [a-ha & hmmmmmmm ... ms]. Pretending to be distinguished but not really succeeding. Although they do have a perfect toe. I can see them pumping the accelerator of a somewhat seedy car, maybe an Alfa Romeo. Q: Do the shoes have a sense of humor about themselves? BF: They try, but that's often the hardest thing to gauge, whether one has a sense of humor about oneself. Let's say they have a devil-may-care attitude. Q: Would you ever wear shoes ironically? BF: I have. Many times. Especially wedge-heeled shoes, which I like for the idea more than the shape. Q: Who was dominant in this relationship, you or the shoe? BF: It depended on the day. There was an on-going struggle, like in any good relationship. But I preferred the nights when I felt in charge. Q: If you were a woman, what shoes would you wear? BF: The sluttiest available. At least a three-inch heel. I think the higher the heel, the better the leg shape. I think there's been an unfortunate trend against this teetering around in the last few years. As I walk down the streets of our major cities and see only chunky boots, I shake my head sadly and think about what the world has come to. Q: Do you have a foot fetish? BF: I'd be a fool and a liar to say that I wasn't interested in things that are concealed, and not apparent to the common eye. Q: What's sexiest: a woman fully dressed, dressed in lingerie, or totally naked? BF: Somewhere between fully dressed and lingerie. But there is no science to it -- it's a variable, and that's how it should be. If we knew the answer, it wouldn't be sexy or interesting. Q: What's the biggest crime a musician can commit? BF: Being too earnest, probably. It inflicts a deep embarrassment upon the audience. Q: What can save the avant-garde? BF: Going to topless bars. Every night at 7PM. Q: What's the most grunge thing about you? BF: I'm not really sure. I think I'm grunge-free. Q: How important is your hair? BF: Quite important, because I never really change it. I admire short crew cuts and shaved heads on other people, but I don't think that would work on me. Q: What do you do with it? BF: I use Phytofix, which I buy in Paris. After spending years looking for a fixative, that's my favorite. Q: Are you comfortable with your looks? BF: I've seen too many horrible photographs of me to ever feel confident about my looks. From a couple of angles, I can look O.K. Q: What's the most common misconception about you? BF: That I'm some kind of stuffed shirt, when really I'm a warm loving person. Q: Do you want people to know that? BF: No! END well, i decided to just transcribe the whole thing; too many appropriate sorts of things for just now ... and some of it's quite funny too. OK ... peaces/ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:22:04 PST From: "James James" Subject: [AVALON] Ferry news item If there are any other people from Toronto on this list, did anyone go to the show last night? Bryan made the cover of one of Toronto's street papers. The story is available online - www.eye.net/ - click on the picture. The show was fabulous. Bryan didn't disappoint. When I have more time, I'll share my thoughts. Gotta get back to work :-( james ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 13:37:30 -0500 From: "Tim Kendrick" Subject: Re: [AVALON] cad shoes & scoundrels pt. 2 I have just had a close encounter with a computer virus. It is all sorted out now, thank God. Thanks to Mark for transcribing that exceptionally frank and funny interview. I was at the Beacon in New York last Friday, and I liked Ferry's performance very much. Anyone who has a harpist do the opening at a venue like that is a brave person indeed. ( And the harpist herself is braver.) I have one major beef, though, which no-one has brought up. I was in the mid-price seats, but next time I'll cough up top whack and sit among other Avalonians - the kind of people who actually want to be there. It's years since I went to a 'rock' concert, Jazz being more my thing. There were enough jerks in the audience to make me want to scream. I was maybe four rows from the door, and four seats in. You wouldn'rt believe the comings and goings that went on. There was one bloke who gave Ferry a standing ovation when he came on - and immediately pissed off to the bar for three songs. Everyone seemed to be using the event as a social occasion, talking whenever they felt like it, going back and forth to the bar, then going to the toilet to piss away the beer they'd just drunk. And of course they all had mid-row seats, so everyone else spends the concert going up and down like a yo-yo. I don't think a concert should be like going to Church, but I can't see the point of spending forty-five bucks, and then standing in the bar for most of the show. And they really spoil it for those who are actually interested in the performers on stage. I guess they're the kind of people who go to the Beacon every Friday night almost regardless of who's playing. I don't object to that in principle - they can go as often as they want - but they still need to remember they aren't at home and this isn't the television in front of them. WHERE OR WHEN is not best appreciated when you have the sound of slamming doors and footsteps a few feet away. Tim - -----Original Message----- From: mark shanahan To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 12:59 PM Subject: > >well, i decided to just transcribe the whole thing; too many appropriate >sorts of things for just now ... and some of it's quite funny too. > >OK ... > >peaces/ms > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 13:38:44 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry news item On Wed, 10 Nov 1999, James James wrote: > Bryan made the cover of one of Toronto's street papers. The story is > available online - www.eye.net/ - click on the picture. Welcome to James James and thanks for the link which answers one of our recent questions: > being in a band. He will bring some of the album's players to Massey > Hall Tuesday, but not Manzanera or Alice Retif, the mysterious French > voice on "I'm in the Mood for Love." > > "Oh, she used to work at my office. French girl. I got her to recite > some fragments of Baudelaire's 'Ophelia.' It helped create that mood > of l'amour." Also this might be of interest > Ferry has also been working on a new album, which he hopes to release > next September. "Not that I think this is a B-project, but obviously I > want to put out original material," he explains. "I did quite a few > things with Brian Eno, and that was nice. He played on about 10 > things. And just recently, on this album in fact, I've started working > with Rhett Davies again, who was my producer on Avalon and Boys and > Girls. I guess one thing that made this record such a pleasure was > that I wasn't trying to do too many jobs at once. It didn't ever work > that well, me producing myself. I need someone with their feet on the > ground, and he was that. I thought I'd killed him with Boys and Girls > -- he went off to play golf. But we had great fun working on this one, > and he's going to help me finish the other one, so I do think I can > get it out next year." but personally I'm not holding my breath on this one. Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:45:09 -0000 From: "Killip family" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: On The Road John..and all others I'm definately up for the pre-SECC drink, put me down as a cert. As for Liverpool, I know the city centre fairly well, but will be there on Nov. 27, which is, of course, prior to the gig. After that I'll nominate a venue....but, do we not have some genuine Liverpudlians on the list who could make their own suggestions, whther or not they're at the concert? As for Sheffield, it looks like just you and me (didn't someone else post that they would be there??). this will only be my second ever visit to that fair city, but if someone suggests the drinks venue, I'll be there. David - ---------- > From: JObinv01@aol.com > To: avalon@smoe.org > Cc: JObinv01@aol.com > Subject: [AVALON] Re: On The Road > Date: 10 November 1999 00:29 > > Quite a posse building up at each gig, who, local to each venue, can suggest > a meeting place and any local accomodation. > > There are 2 bars in th SECC next door to the Clyde auditorium, I suggest the > downstairs bar is a good place to meet for anyone going there. Any > takers....??? > > 10 Liverpool Royal Court > > John O'Brien > David Killip (and wife) > Richard Swift (plus three) > > 12 Sheffield City Hall > > John O'Brien > David Killip > > 14 London Festival Hall > > David Killip > (and friend Mark) > Andy Cooper > Han Snijders > Jocelyn Fiske > (and 5 friends) > John O'Brien (Maybe) > Luc Morvellier > Chris Turner > Robert Whiteford > (and Sue) > Andrew Langley (and friend) > Robert Fedder > Caroline Fedder > Martin Stockman > Joanne Stockman > Johnny Reece(+ ? friends) > Pete Dewey > Mrs J.R. Dewey > Richard Swift > > 15 Croydon Fairfield > David Killip (and friend Mark) > Jocelyn Fiske > Robert Fedder > Martin Stockman > > > 17 Glasgow Clyde Auditorium > > John O'Brien > David Killip > Gareth McGinley > Tom Wallace > John Fulton > > 18 Newcastle City Hall > > John O'Brien > David Killip > Gareth McGinley > Jocelyn Fiske > Tom Wallace > Richard Swift > S. Batie > > 19 Bristol > > Andy Cooper > > 21 Manchester Appollo > > Richard Swift > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 23:28:01 -0800 From: "Chan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] cad shoes & scoundrels pt. 2 That was great. Thanks Mark! I'm interested in interviews with him discussing the Taxi album. If anybody has more please post them. Chan depmode@earthlink.net "Beneath my hands your small breasts are the upturned bellies of breathing fallen sparrows." - Leonard Cohen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:45:47 EST From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] AVALON mailing list holds its breath From the eye article: Ferry has also been working on a new album, which he hopes to release next September. "Not that I think this is a B-project, but obviously I want to put out original material," he explains. "I did quite a few things with Brian Eno, and that was nice. He played on about 10 things. And just recently, on this album in fact, I've started working with Rhett Davies again, who was my producer on Avalon and Boys and Girls. I guess one thing that made this record such a pleasure was that I wasn't trying to do too many jobs at once. It didn't ever work that well, me producing myself. I need someone with their feet on the ground, and he was that. I thought I'd killed him with Boys and Girls -- he went off to play golf. But we had great fun working on this one, and he's going to help me finish the other one, so I do think I can get it out next year." We can only hope. Bryan predicts his release dates with the accuracy of Microsoft. Arnie - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:49:13 PST From: "James James" Subject: Re: [AVALON] cad shoes & scoundrels pt. 2 >I have just had a close encounter with a computer virus. It is all >sorted out now, thank God. Was it the Pretty Park worm? The other list I'm on sent out a warning about it. If anyone gets a file called pretty park.exe, DO NOT OPEN IT!!!! It's a virus. This is no hoax. Check it out for yourself in Symantec's Virus Centre. There. I passed on the word. Now everyone else send out warnings. >I was at the Beacon in New York last Friday, and I liked Ferry's >performance very much. Anyone who has a harpist do the opening >at a venue like that is a brave person indeed. ( And the harpist >herself is braver.) At the Toronto show, you could hear a pin drop as she performed! And what about that all-girl string quartet in tight black leather pants, stilettos, and black halter top??? Our symphony would probably get a lot more subscribers with players like that! Whew! >I have one major beef, though, which no-one has brought up. I >was in the mid-price seats, but next time I'll cough up top whack >and sit among other Avalonians - the kind of people who >actually want to be there. >It's years since I went to a 'rock' concert, Jazz being more my thing. >There were enough jerks in the audience to make me want to scream. >I was maybe four rows from the door, and four seats in. You wouldn'rt >believe the comings and goings that went on. Too bad you couldn't come to Toronto. The venue is world famous for it's acoustics. From where I sat, the jerks were few and far between. No one was shouting out things like "Where's Eno?". I don't think it's because we Canadians are more well-behaved at concerts. Perhaps the fans here were just that - fans. And after coughing up $50 for a ticket, I certainly wanted to pay attention. >There was one bloke who >gave Ferry a standing ovation when he came on - and immediately pissed off >to the bar for three songs. Everyone seemed to be using the event >as a social occasion, talking whenever they felt like it, going back and >forth to the bar, then going to the toilet to piss away the beer they'd >just >drunk. >And of course they all had mid-row seats, so everyone else spends the >concert going up and down like a yo-yo. First, there is a bar at Massey Hall, but it wasn't used too much from what I saw. I think it's a fairly recent addition as I don't ever remember seeing it before. Which is a good thing, as your experience points out. The ushers at Massey Hall kept people at the top of the aisles until the song was over so as not to disrupt the show too much. Although there wasn't much you could do about people getting up in the middle of a song......Why can't people "go" BEFORE the show starts??!!..... I was hoping to hear someone took their Minidisc to the Massey Hall show. It would have been a very clean copy since there was no one screaming. If anyone does have a tape of this tour, let me know. Maybe we can work a trade or something. James ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:11:22 PST From: "James James" Subject: [AVALON] Another "As Time Goes By" Review Here's another review from another street paper in Toronto...You may be scratching your head over this one, but the reviewer still gave it 3 out of 5. Bryan Ferry's weird nostalgia By TIM PERLICH BRYAN FERRY As Time Goes By (Virgin) Rating: NNN Yet another in the continuing series of Bryan Ferry cover albums released as a stop-gap until his real new album is ready, As Time Goes By is hung on the boldly anachronistic concept of our man coolly crooning 30s Tin Pan Alley standards without a hint of irony. Furthermore, his austere acoustic treatments of the material gleaned from Ferry's favourite films, particularly those starring his style mentors, Humphrey Bogart and Fred Astaire, make the tunes sound black and white. It's befuddling, to be sure, but as far as contractual-obligation albums go, it's probably the classiest kiss-off Virgin will ever get. Street soldiers are optimistically stickering bingo halls and parkettes. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:32:59 +0100 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: [AVALON] Exclusive photographs The very kind John O'Brien mailed a whole bunch of photographs to me. This is what he writes about them: "I bought these from a photographer. I have never seen them anywhere before." And he should know, right? They are now available to all of us on the Avalonsite, http://home.op.se/opse3503 A big hand for Mr O'Brien, folks! A thought from the Webmistress: Perhaps we should all be grateful for The New Haircut. On some of these pictures, the hairdo quite frankly looks a mess. The girl in the first three pictures must be Lucy. Lovely velvet cloak! /Kicki G - --------------------------- Kicki Gustafsson http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG kicki.gustafsson@op.se - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:07:16 -0500 From: "Tim Kendrick" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Exclusive photographs What a terrific set of pictures! Certainly his hair looks wayward. Perhaps these were taken before he found his dream Parisian fixative?? Tim - -----Original Message----- From: Kicki Gustafsson To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 3:29 PM Subject: [AVALON] Exclusive photographs >The very kind John O'Brien mailed a whole bunch of photographs to me. >This is what he writes about them: >"I bought these from a photographer. I have never seen them anywhere before." >And he should know, right? > >--------------------------- >Kicki Gustafsson >http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG >kicki.gustafsson@op.se > > > > > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:10:30 -0000 From: "Richard Swift" Subject: Re: [AVALON] If I Didn't Care - ----- Original Message ----- From: Noam Bronstein To: Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 5:53 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] If I Didn't Care > People bought Bryan's records in large numbers mostly in the 70's, and it was on > LP. I doubt this means that too many of those people were affected in the way > that we were. People buy albums all the time just to hear one song, that > doesn't make someone a music lover. Where are all these people now, on Mars? > The media has been covering the new release, so why don't these same people buy > it if they're truly 'fans'. Why don't they ask their radio station to play some > of it... or just go down to HMV, put on the headphones and listen. Dare I say > (and duck the flames), it's because they bought Roxy Music or FYP when they were > fourteen, but they just don't give a damn anymore! > I doubt it - Roxy's biggest sellers came in their final phase. I don't have sales figures but these albums' tenure on the album chart and Bryan's statement that "Avalon" was by far the group's biggest selling album means that the people who bought Ferry's albums in the past are more 'of the eighties' than seventies - not an audience that should be lost by now. As for the reason they don't buy now - there probably are lots of reasons - everyone on this list could probably come up with something valid if they tried. The only contention I'm making is that lots of people don't buy because they don't even know he's still recording. It's not that easy to find his new album in UK shops, it gets virtually no airplay and "yes", although he's had some publicity in some quarters of the media (The Telegraph, Uncut, Dazed and Confused), they're not - with the exception of The Telegraph - publications with huge circulations. Even The Telegraph is probably not every record executive's idea of the best vehicle to promote a rock artist. Anyway, on a separate note, glad you enjoyed your first Ferry concert and hope you have plenty of opportunities to see him again. Regards Richard - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:24:35 -0000 From: "Richard Swift" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry news item James - Thanks for this. Look forward to hearing your thoughts. Richard > > Bryan made the cover of one of Toronto's street papers. The story is > available online - www.eye.net/ - click on the picture. > > The show was fabulous. Bryan didn't disappoint. When I have more time, I'll > share my thoughts. > > james > > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:30:24 -0000 From: "Richard Swift" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: On The Road - in Liverpool Liverpool - I live about 5 miles from Liverpool and know it very well. Pre - concert drink: hard to say because some of the good bars are in the student quarter and perhaps just a few minutes walk too far away unless people want to meet very early. If you want a drink in say the hour leading up to the concert there are a couple of new bars in the immediate vicinity of The Royal Court. As for afterwards, there are plenty of bars we can go to. No worries. Looking forward to it. Richard - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 13:34:23 -0800 (PST) From: Noam Bronstein Subject: Re: [AVALON] but I do care #2 Yes indeed, associations with royalty notwithstanding, this heretic Colleen Matan shall have to face the guillotine, after this affront. You have a hell of a lot of sensibility for a commoner. Hey, are you sure you live in a trailer park?? I'd have a Corona with you any day of the week Colleen. - -Noam ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:02:47 +0000 From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: [AVALON] the Toronto show Can you let me have a full set list and any band details Cheers Richard Noam Bronstein wrote: > I just got back from the concert and wanted to share my thoughts. The show was > very enjoyable, and I thought Bryan was quite strong overall. This is the first > time I've ever seen him live so take my opinions as you will. Most of my > impressions are well captured by Colleen's review, so I'll try not to bore you > to death with the same details. The skinny is I loved it and would see him > again on this tour if I could. > > Massey Hall holds 2,800 and was sold out. I thought Bryan had some trouble > connecting with the crowd at times, but he broke through a number of times and > those moments were pure magic, for me. To elaborate... I think the audience > tried hard to go with the 'new' stuff (30's music) but I think many - probably > about half - just didn't really 'get it'. It seems to me Bryan feeds very much > off the crowd's responses and he seemed most 'into it' when playing his previous > work and the Roxy songs. Because that's when the entire crowd would come alive. > > For myself I enjoyed the whole evening immensely. I took my sister who is 21 > and knows nothing of Ferry but did in fact know a lot of the 30's songs. She > enjoyed it too. We had great seats, sixth row, a bit right of center. The > setup is cool, great lighting, and the musicians were all good, the whole thing > was just a treat for the senses. But I must say too that the sound (from our > vantage at least) sucked on many songs. Probably the setup at Massey. On > 'Avalon' Bryan had to motion twice for his mic to be turned up, and were he not > such a composed man I think he was getting somewhat.. distracted by the problem. > > The highlights for me - Smoke Gets In Your Eyes (that's when things started > clicking), Carrickfergus was stunning, Bittersweet also, Sunset, Casanova, The > Only Face, Where Or When. And........ after the two encores (jealous guy and do > the strand), he did As Time Goes By. I thought it was a great ending, it was > subdued but really left people wanting more. > > After Where Or When I yelled "Bravo!" pretty loud, and Bryan thanked me (well, > that's how I'll tell it to my grandchildren at least). A few seconds later a > guy somewhere behind me yelled "We love you Bryan!!" in a REALLY loud voice, and > this was the nicest moment in the evening; Bryan laughed shyly, the crowd > roared... and then Bryan relaxed enough to chat with us a bit. He said that on > these tours, there are people behind the scenes who don't always get their just > desserts. He said someone very special was there, a John Punter if I heard > right, and he dedicated the next song to him - Bittersweet. > > I don't know the significance of this, but thought I'd share it anyway. Bryan > seemed really moved at that moment, and on that note, I want to say the > experience of seeing him live was really moving for me. He is such an emotional > performer and it touches people who are open to that sort of thing. I have a > feeling veterans of Ferry concerts would say he had an off night - he did look > tired at times, but he's definitely still 'got it', and I loved it. > > cheers and goodnight -- > Noam > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:18:48 -0800 (PST) From: Noam Bronstein Subject: Re: [AVALON] If I Didn't Care >--- Richard Swift wrote: >It's not that easy to find his new album in UK shops, it gets virtually >no airplay And all this is because of Virgin Music? Please, Richard. The shops and radio stations need to pay their rent. The critical mass of "consumers" out there want to hear Len and Lou Baga. That includes your kids. Does this outrage you? Our parents probably cried the same outrage when they saw "their" record shops and "their" radio stations taken over by the likes of.... Roxy Music. At least Ferry isn't trying to pull a Paul McCartney on anyone. He'll be happier with himself in the end. >and "yes", although he's had some publicity in some quarters of the >media (The Telegraph, Uncut, Dazed and Confused), they're not - with >the exception of The Telegraph - publications with huge circulations. Check Kicki's site, I clipped a very glowing, large (1/2 page) article from the Toronto Star that appeared seven weeks ago about Ferry, the CD and the concert. This paper reaches up to 5-6 million potentially (not sure the circulation but it's the largest daily in Canada). I'm sure the Washington Post has similar numbers. Even our alternative youth papers have given him great coverage. What more can you ask for? > Anyway, on a separate note, glad you enjoyed your first Ferry concert > and hope you have plenty of opportunities to see him again. We'll see. I've been a fan for close to two decades but certainly don't devote my life to this. Glad I finally saw him too. We don't know if this tour (or the next disc) will be Ferry's swan song but if so... he deserves to be celebrated. It is not a tragedy. - -Noam ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 17:33:57 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] but I do care #2 On Wed, 10 Nov 1999, Noam Bronstein wrote: > Hey, are you sure you live in a trailer park?? Well, I am an American, after all. Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 17:53:58 EST From: Helchat@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] OAKLAND PARAMOUNT THEATER Hi everyone, Dawne and I talked on the telephone today and got acquainted. We are both really looking forward to the show and meeting one another. I am quite certain we will have time to meet for a bit at a nearby restaurant or bar before the show. We would love to meet more Avalonians. Is there anyone else out there going to Oakland on Monday? Get in touch! Helene - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:00:05 -0500 From: "Heather James" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Exclusive photographs Great pictures, Kicki! You're site just keeps getting better and better!   -= )-(eather =- >------------------< hjames@thewebgal.com >------------------------------------------< - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Kicki Gustafsson Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 3:33 PM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Exclusive photographs The very kind John O'Brien mailed a whole bunch of photographs to me. This is what he writes about them: "I bought these from a photographer. I have never seen them anywhere before." And he should know, right? They are now available to all of us on the Avalonsite, http://home.op.se/opse3503 A big hand for Mr O'Brien, folks! A thought from the Webmistress: Perhaps we should all be grateful for The New Haircut. On some of these pictures, the hairdo quite frankly looks a mess. The girl in the first three pictures must be Lucy. Lovely velvet cloak! /Kicki G - --------------------------- Kicki Gustafsson http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG kicki.gustafsson@op.se - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 23:31:21 -0000 From: "Robert Whiteford" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Monquiboy Profile Can I just urge anyone who hasn't yet done so to check out Monquiboy's priceless profile ? Magnificent. I've got tears on my face now just thinking about it as I write. Favourite track :"When she hops inna room" !! Monquiboy or someone else, as a newcomer to the list , who are you? Very very funny. > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 23:24:40 -0000 From: "Robert Whiteford" Subject: Re: [AVALON] If I Didn't Care - ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Swift To: Sent: 10 November 1999 01:47 Subject: Re: [AVALON] If I Didn't Care > > Well point taken but Cliff, George Michael and Garth Brooks are all crap. > > Robert - > > Your support as 31 December approaches when my wife - devoid of taste apart > from the man she chose to marry - drags me to a Millenium Eve Cliff concert > would be greatly appreciated. Perhaps I'll take a walkman with me. > > Richard > > Richard, Yeah take a walkman with you .....and leave your wife at home! Alternatively ask your wife to take a Walkman with her instead of you. We'll all "help you make it through the night..........." Rob Oh and just remember that as you listen to Cliff, as your pain increases to the point where you are seriously considering leaving the hall to visit the local A&E department, as the "alternative Maestro" follows "Daddy's Home" by launching into a classic rendition of "Miseltoe and Wine" - just remember Colleen's words that it's only my opinion that Cliff is crap. > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:30:26 -0800 From: "Alison Brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] New To List > He'll proabably never sell out Madison Square Gardens or get much > commercial air play with such a release or sell copies to my daughter's > generation (14 going on 25) Hey, I bought a copy, didn't I? (so speaks the li'l 16 year old....) Interesting side note: Bryan's name was in the NY Times crossword puzzle on Sunday - my mother got it right all thanks to me. Alison - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:25:33 -0000 From: "Robert Whiteford" Subject: Re: [AVALON] but I do care #2 Colleen wrote : > Again, I don't see how you can find fault with a record buying public who > don't buy a record they don't like. It's how the system works, right? > The marketplace of ideas. Personally I don't buy David Sylvian records > because I don't like his music. Does that make me wrong? No. It means I > don't like it, and since it's my money... > And what if it is just the music with me? Isn't that Ferry's *art*? > Again I ask: isn't that what it's all about? Well that's your choice because you've obviously heard David Sylvian and made that judgement. I'm not faulting the public- I'm faulting Ferry and Virgin for letting it get to the stage where only a fraction of the people who bought Avalon even know he still makes records. You certainly can't fault Joe Public for not buying a record he doesn't even know exists. As for the music it was a genuine question not an accusation that I was putting to you. There's no problem if it's "just the music" for you but I think there's more to him than that. I am interested in what sort of person makes music and writes lyrics as strange and beautiful as he does. " I am that I am from out of nowhere"..... > The clothes and the hair and the country home and the white socks--that's > not art. That's artifice. That's advertising. That's the image. Are you > saying that if Mr. Ferry performed in jeans and sneakers you'd like him > that much less? If he lived in a trailer with reproductions on the walls, > that'd lower his talent in your estimation? I hope I didn't imply that. I don't remember doing so .I am from a poor background. I detest snobbery but admire class. Not UPPER CLASS, just class. This is another bloody cool thing about Ferry. He is not upper class, nor does he claim to be, but he has more class than any Hooray Henry. Without even trying. You're absolutely right that this isn't directly related to the music but so what? A whole package is on offer here not "just the music". It's funny but I detect an element of "class rage" in what you write. If he did live in a trailer with repros on the wall and wore jeans and sneakers HE WOULD STILL BE JUST AS COOL in my eyes (and ears). He soon will be living in a trailer if he doesn't shift some CD's. But it'll be a really good one in Kensington. I don't have a clue how Ferry has done in the US but know he hasn't ever been the star he was in the UK. At the risk of getting a email bashing from the Americans on the list maybe some of you just don't quite realise how big a deal this guy was in Europe. People don't know he's still making records but 95% of people know who he is in the UK. So maybe his commercial decline in the Uk doesn't worry you as much as some of us "Brits". Then again maybe you know exactly how big he was here. I don't know. Rob > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:01:05 -0600 From: "Will Frechette" Subject: Re: [AVALON] but I do care #1 Yeah what's up with that? It probably keeps him as cool as he IS, and what fun would that be anyway? Will - ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Gregory > >>I suppose if Mr. Ferry could wean himself from > >>cannabis his output might improve, both numerically and qualitatively.) > > HUH????? > ______________________________________________ > Eric S. Gregory - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V4 #360 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest