From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V4 #357 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, November 10 1999 Volume 04 : Number 357 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Recording ["Simon Galloway" ] Re: [AVALON] Croydon ["Simon Galloway" ] Re: [AVALON] If I Didn't Care [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] Thank You ["Martin Stockman" ] Re: [AVALON] If I Didn't Care ["Martin Stockman" ] [AVALON] New To List [Bruce MacQueen ] [AVALON] News and more news [Kicki Gustafsson ] [AVALON] Re: If I Didn't Care [JObinv01@aol.com] [AVALON] RFH [Richard Evans ] [AVALON] The Bryatollah or Elvis the Caustic?? ["tfagan" ] Re: [AVALON] If I Didn't Care ["Robert Whiteford" ] [AVALON] Re: On The Road [JObinv01@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] The Bryatollah or Elvis the Caustic?? ["Bahi Para" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 16:20:16 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Recording From: "Simon Galloway" > It would appear that only the RFH has this extortionate charge, so it's my > fault for living in England's armpit and arsehole. >>> "Martin Stockman" 11/09 3:04 pm >>> >Dear Simon >I can only think your jaundiced opinion of foggy, groovy London Town, see >above outburst, is derived from living south of the river ! My goodness Martin, you're right!!! How did you guess that I was south? I'm actually in the next borough to the RFH, about 3 miles from it. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 16:24:28 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Croydon Jocelyn.Fiske@greyeu.com writes: I can hear Bry now, " Hello Croydon! What a dump!" >> >>> 11/09 4:09 pm >>> >No. Wouldn't he say, "Good to see you again. It's great to be back in Croydon >so soon. EEEEEYYYYYY!"? Promptly followed by "Let's get out of here!!" Even people from Croydon don't seem to like it! Apparantley David Bowie's recent outburst made Croydon council retaliate in the press by slagging off the Dame's native Bromley, to which someone from Croydon said Bromley wasn't half as bad. But I'm told that there's a really good record shop near the station. I might go yet... SimonG - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:29:07 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] If I Didn't Care On Tue, 9 Nov 1999, gareth mc ginley wrote: > Rob, > This is exactly what makes Ferry unique. Surely nobody has ever brought so > much intelligence and taste to bare on pop music. Everything that Ferry Oh c'mon now, let's get a grip before Ferry ascends to Heaven, made buoyant by all this hype. There are LOTS of people who have brought their considerable intelligence and taste to bear on pop music. It's not like Ferry is hanging out at Mensa meetings. Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:56:19 -0000 From: Jocelyn Fiske Subject: RE: [AVALON] Croydon There used to be a good record shop on the run up to East Croydon station, but I think it was a victim of the rebuilding programme. I live about 3 miles from Croydon, but thanfully still within the bounds of a London post code or my house would be worth about £2.50. Jocelyn > ---------- > From: Simon Galloway[SMTP:SIMONG@jazzfm.com] > Reply To: avalon@smoe.org > Sent: 09 November 1999 17:24 > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Croydon > > Jocelyn.Fiske@greyeu.com writes: > > I can hear Bry now, " Hello Croydon! What a dump!" >> > > >>> 11/09 4:09 pm >>> > >No. Wouldn't he say, "Good to see you again. It's great to be back in > Croydon > >so soon. EEEEEYYYYYY!"? > > Promptly followed by "Let's get out of here!!" > Even people from Croydon don't seem to like it! Apparantley David Bowie's > recent outburst made Croydon council retaliate in the press by slagging > off the Dame's native Bromley, to which someone from Croydon said Bromley > wasn't half as bad. > > But I'm told that there's a really good record shop near the station. I > might go yet... > > SimonG > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 17:17:37 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Thank You - ---------- >From: Kicki Gustafsson >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [AVALON] Thank You >Date: Tue, Nov 9, 1999, 5:23 pm > >>but there are even some members of >>our list coming from Holland and Sweden, > > Who's coming from Sweden?? You are.. I'm holding a ticket ! - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 18:11:43 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] If I Didn't Care - ---------- >From: Colleen Matan > Oh c'mon now, let's get a grip before Ferry ascends to Heaven, made > buoyant by all this hype. One day His house will be his home, forevermore - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:37:04 -0000 From: "Killip family" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Thank You A nice thought Mr. O'B...well played. david - ---------- > From: JObinv01@aol.com > To: avalon@smoe.org > Cc: JObinv01@aol.com > Subject: [AVALON] Thank You > Date: 09 November 1999 14:30 > > This a copy of an e-mail I sent to the person who supplied me (Us) with the > tour dates. I thought it was a good idea to thank them on behalf of > ourselves showing our appreciation and hopefully they can be equally help in > the future. > > > <<< information on Bryans UK tour. Hundreds of us have managed to secure good > tickets for the shows. > > I shall be at Liverpool, Sheffield , London, Glasgow & Newcastle, so I hope > we can say hello at one of the shows. > > There are loads of us meeting at RFH London from all over UK, I am coming > from Inverness, 600 miles North of London, but there are even some members of > our list coming from Holland and Sweden, maybe Bryan could say hello to us at > the show. > > Thanks again > > John O'Brien>>>>>> > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 13:48:21 -0500 From: Bruce MacQueen Subject: [AVALON] New To List Hello All! Though new to the list, certainly I'm not to Bryan Ferry and Roxy Music... having listened to them since '72. (Also enjoy The Kinks, Squeeze and Graham Parker .....as if you care). Quite frankly I think the new album is brilliant. I saw his opening show in D.C. last week and admittedly I'm sure there are many who were there wanting to hear Love Is The Drug, but he did a great job of holding the audience in a standing room only 9:30 Club for the duration. He even got a good rewiew in the post calling him a punk-country gentleman. As for the new release, if he's at 37, I think that's rather admirable. He'll proabably never sell out Madison Square Gardens or get much commercial air play with such a release or sell copies to my daughter's generation (14 going on 25) but it is clearly something that Bryan is very comfortable with, has promotional backing for and which may attract an additional sub-set of listeners....In fact 3 of my co-workers have purchased copies after I annnoyed them with it at work and I beleive that many of my mothers' generation will be getting a copy this holiday season - at least among my circle of friends. Suffice it to say that I think we should just be happy that he wants to continue to make a product that I for one will support and that he continues to tour. Best Regards, Bruce - -- "What's so funny 'bout peace, love & understanding?" (Nick Lowe) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:34:14 +0100 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: [AVALON] News and more news OK, new additions to the Avalon-site: Amy Bettisworth-Simonelli and, hold your horses, MonquiBoy. Really sweet photo of him. I've also added a new section called reviews. Please check them and mail me if 1) You don't want to be on the site with your thoughts 2) I've got the dates wrong 3) If you want to add your full name (instead of e-mailadress). 4) Other relevant info that should be added. But why isn't Colleen's wonderful review added to the list, I'm sure you're all wondering? Well, she wanted to correct some errors...some days ago. But I'm still wainting, Colleen! ;-) /Kicki G - Webmistress - --------------------------- Kicki Gustafsson http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG kicki.gustafsson@op.se - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 14:40:17 EST From: JObinv01@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Re: If I Didn't Care In a message dated 09/11/99 15:52:29 GMT, you write: << But am I asking how anyone could have thought this album was going to bring in even respectable sales. >> this album was either going to be huge success or a flop, nothing in between. in the early eighties Joe jackson did his Jumpin' Jive album which was a sort of big band thing. I remember all these guys around me who were into Ska, Punk & mod at the time saying " yeah this is quite good". They got a taste of some music they would normally be narrow minded about. I thought this album might be a success because of something similar to this. It looks like that notion is wrong. I also thought it would be a flop because he has been out of the lime light for so long. We Avalonians say 4-5 year, but the average guy on the street haven't heard of him since the mid '80s. Taxi & Mamouna went completely over Joe Bloggs's head. There are loads of people who meet me and I mention Bryan Ferry they ask if he is still making records. His lack of output over the last 12 years is a huge reason why his commercial success has diminished. This is not a critisism, but an observation. If Bryan has felt that he has only made 4 albums good enough for release in the past 12 years, then I am not going to argue with that. One of the things I admire about Bryan is that, to quote himself "I was never any good at making records during my lunch break". He doesn't just slavishley throw out records. I enjoy listening to ATGB, it doesn't sound any less to me just because I am the only guy in the street that owns it, so his commercial dwindle doesn't affect my enjoyment of the music. Some times albums are reveiwed with pre conceived barriers. I have seen reviews mentioning things like "it's an album of covers" or " it's not as good as their first album " or "they've sold out to the latest sound". So f'#~*ing what. An album should be judged on the £13 or so that someone has just paid for the 45 minutes of music they are listening to. We don't enjoy a meal less by saying "the chef is not using his own recipe" or " the meal we had here 2 years ago was better" or " everybody seems to be doing these potato wedges now" . You either enjoyed the meal or you never. ATGB had 2 out of 3 of these handicaps, but despite this it has had favourable reveiws. So the critics are giving it the thumbs up so the lack of success is down to a cross between it not being shoved in peoples face enough or they just can't be bothered remembering who Bryan is. I obviously was going to buy it because it was Bryan just like you favour your mothers cooking just because it's your maw. You are half familiar with the sound anyway, it's just a matter of learning the words. I already own a lot of these songs by Ella Fitzgerald as she is another of my favourites, but the point was made that a lot of us bought it because it was Bryan and if the same song was done by Cliff Richard then we wouldn't be bothered with it. This is the point that people don't necessarily like music because of the words and the tune, but for a sound. Take any horrible cover that you've heard of a Roxy song, it's the same words and tune , and like wise Bryan has done some songs that we love but paid no attention to the totally different sounding original. A lot of the Avalonians who don't care too much for ATGB because there is a big imbalance between the Bryan Ferry sound that we know and love and the sound that comes from the record. Bryan only plays on one track the whole album. He is credited for the arrangements, but I can't really see him sitting up untill 3 in the morning writing the manuscript for the percussion part to I'm In The Mood For Love. If you never liked this type of music before then your'e hands are tied behind your back right away. This album for me was like hot apple pie and ice cream to begin with. I felt that there were 2 things here at 2 different temperatures. Bryan's voice and the songs. Great in there own way but there seemed to be a distance between them as if Bryan sung on the record rather than in it. But like the hot apple pie and ice cream, if you persevere they both melt together to blend into something delicious. The standouts for me are Where Or When, Miss Otis Regrets & I'm In The Mood for Love. I only hope that this album is the catalyst for Bryan to release more of his originals just like Taxi was supposed to do. The last line on the last Ferry original to date is "....running out of time" and the standout for me in on the last tour was Carrickfergus with the line "...come all ye young men before I die" Viva ! Bryan Ferry John O'Brien - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 20:35:54 +0000 From: Richard Evans Subject: [AVALON] RFH Hi All Just got my tickets for the RFH. Looking forward to it as its a birthday pressie and it will make two Roxys and two Ferrys. The album is a grower and our man sounds in fine form Cheers Richard - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 17:59:10 -0500 From: "tfagan" Subject: [AVALON] The Bryatollah or Elvis the Caustic?? this is SOOOOOO funny! that is the exact same quote that I remember Bryan making?? one of us ;-} has misremembered this! are there any tie-breakers out there?? - --TriTri - -----Original Message----- From: Miles Goosens >And TriTri offers: > >could stem from the fact that Bry made fun of Sting singing > >in a Jamaican accent (jealousy rears its ugly head -- once again). > >Bryan said it too? I know Elvis Costello said that Sting "should be >clipped 'round the ears for singing in that phony Jamaican accent." Cool... > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 23:16:32 -0000 From: "Richard Swift" Subject: Re: [AVALON] If I Didn't Care and BBC Radio 2 J.O'B - Congratulations on a posting which draws more analogies between the music of Bryan Ferry and food than I could have imagined possible (and my thanks too for helping us all get those tickets). I agree with a lot of what you say, especially that the album was either going to be huge or something of a flop. I haven't given up on it yet given the upcoming exposure. Speaking of which, in addition to Saturday morning's half hour of Roxy hits on VH1, Bryan can be heard as a guest on Jools Holland's BBC Radio 2 jazz show next Monday evening from 8.30 - 9.30 p.m. If that wasn't enough, all you UK "Dance With Life" fans can enjoy Phenomenon on Channel 5 next Thursday night. Regards, Richard - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 00:24:14 +0100 From: "Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest" Subject: Re: [AVALON] News and more news MonquiBoy. Really sweet photo of him. Can't stop laughing when I saw this one. Because of the tears in my eyes I couldn't read anything. I'll try it again tomorrow. Wonderful picture John! Han > >I've also added a new section called reviews. Please check them and mail me if >1) You don't want to be on the site with your thoughts >2) I've got the dates wrong >3) If you want to add your full name (instead of e-mailadress). >4) Other relevant info that should be added. > >But why isn't Colleen's wonderful review added to the list, I'm sure you're >all wondering? Well, she wanted to correct some errors...some days ago. But >I'm still wainting, Colleen! ;-) > >/Kicki G - Webmistress > >--------------------------- >Kicki Gustafsson >http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG >kicki.gustafsson@op.se > > > > > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 23:06:38 -0000 From: "Richard Swift" Subject: Re: [AVALON] If I Didn't Care Noam - I respect your views but if you really think record sales mean squat I think you're sadly mistaken. Music is a business like any other and if you don't sell you go under - i.e. you don't have a record deal. Then, even if you want to make music (which despite the lack of output I assume Bryan does given his well documented work ethic), you have no meaningful way of selling it to a wide audience other than over the Internet or via your own record label, neither of which are likely to improve on the performance of the last album that lost you the deal in the first place. I don't believe Bryan will attract buyers in the teenage market even if he makes the finest record in popular music history - the point I make is that there is simply a huge market out there that grew up with his music and would probably buy it again if they knew it existed and the product was right. Maybe Bryan does want to spend his time doing other things but everything I read points to the opposite - he cites the musicians who inspired him as people who produced some of their best work in their 60s, he cites how hard he works, he cites the mistakes he's made since Bete Noire in "getting something out". I don't judge he should carry on - if he retired tomorrow I'd be desperately sad about it but I'd reflect on the music he'd given and the enjoyment he'd brought. No - I judge he wants to carry on, for the reasons quoted and dozens more. Perhaps that's naievity on my part but if he does want to keep making more music it disappoints me that this is prejudiced by a record company that fails to support him. Finally, although you don't make the point, Colleen touches on the man's wealth. I have never before responded to comments about his money because it really is his business but to put things into perspective, I don't think he's got the fabulous wealth that people imagine. Now before everyone reaches for their keyboard, I'm not suggesting he's poor either. He has a fantastic house and lifestyle, is accredited as one of the UK's biggest art collectors and I'm not about to send him a postal order to help him through Christmas! But as for fantastic wealth, I'm not so sure. I recall an article in the Financial Times a few years ago which, commenting on the performance of one of his companies, suggested that to put it politely, his personal liabilities could be outstripping his personal assets. This isn't an area that I personally want to write about any further (lest someone takes a look at my own lamentable balance sheet) - I simply mention it in the interests of maintaining some balance. Whilst not inviting responses on this list I hope to find one day that Collen is right and I'm wrong! Richard PS >I for one don't need to watch a man in his fifties blitzed out on amphetamines as some form of inspiration. Me neither - nor do I expect to as long as I watch BF. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:23:54 EST From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Best Price on Remasters CDNOW is handling the remasters as imports and wants more than $18 apiece for them. After the bad mouthing of A&B Sound, I'm leery of ordering through them. So, who knows a reliable supplier with an attractive price for the remastered Roxy albums? Thanks all. Arnie - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:36:40 -0500 (EST) From: indiedit@prodigy.net Subject: [AVALON] Question about Computer Recording Hi all- Since many of you are computer experts, I was wondering if anyone knows of a program that can record the audio portion of streaming RealPlayer G2 video. If so, please post or e-mail me at indiedit@prodigy.net. Thanks, G. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 23:40:39 -0000 From: "Richard Swift" Subject: [AVALON] Re: On The Road John - A few versions of your 'attendance register' seem to have been floating around lately - do you have a definitive list of who's going where in the UK that you can post? Thanks, Richard - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 23:52:04 -0000 From: "Robert Whiteford" Subject: Re: [AVALON] If I Didn't Care - ----- Original Message ----- From: Colleen Matan To: Sent: 09 November 1999 15:49 Subject: Re: [AVALON] If I Didn't Care Colleen wrote, > If this is true--and of course I don't think every word that he utters > should be taken as the Gospel truth--and Mr. Ferry's primary career goal > is to sell records, then he should devote himself to the practice of > making records that lots of people will buy. It's as simple as that. No No No ! It isn't as simple as that. "For your pleasure" was hardly a commercial album was it ?The whole point of Ferry's success was that he was he brought something new into the mainstream AND achieved a level of acceptance and recognition of his work. Ferry makes records from a purely artistic base and then hopes they sell because he's reached enough people. I knew my last post would attract some flak but I can only give my view. And my view is that Ferry will pack it in if he has a miniscule audience and his work can't even attract record company interest. What's the point of painting a picture no one will ever see? Incidentally Taxi MAY have been an effort to do exactly what you describe above - and it failed to do so. "The name of the game" was another effort to be commercial , and a bloody awful one at that. Ferry's commercial decline is surely primarily due to his lack of output........ > Colleen wrote > Let's face it--he's a very wealthy man married to a very wealthy woman. Well everythings relative I suppose but Ferry insists Lucy isn't wealthy. He's hardly on the poverty line I grant you however I think the notion that money from commercial success means little to him is totally wrong. He could do with some more money from everything he says. I believe him - he has a lot of bills to pay ! Colleen wrote: Don't you think that the artist in question and his/her management have already pushed for as much > publicity and promotion as is feasible given the circumstances? Well frankly no - I don't. Colleen wrote : > But to say "but they're not"--leads me to ask "why should they?" And who > is this mysterious "they"? And why would "they" want to buy this highly > out-of-fashion, even vanity-like, album? And why should "they" be deemed > wrong if they *don't* want to buy it? Would any of you have bought it if > it wasn't Bryan Ferry? Say, if it were the same track listing but Cliff > Richard singing? Or George Michael? or Garth Brooks? Well point taken but Cliff, George Michael and Garth Brooks are all crap. I wouldn't buy anything they did. Who bought Boys and Girls? Was it Cliff Richard fans ? No No No (again no !) - it was ROXY/FERRY fans. Some of them bought Bete Noire. Some of them even bought Taxi. God some of them even bought Mamouna. And some will buy ATGB. "They" are potential and previous fans of Ferry/Roxy. Colleen wrote > Rob, > This is exactly what makes Ferry unique. Surely nobody has ever brought so > much intelligence and taste to bare on pop music. Everything that Ferry Oh c'mon now, let's get a grip before Ferry ascends to Heaven, made buoyant by all this hype. There are LOTS of people who have brought their considerable intelligence and taste to bear on pop music. It's not like Ferry is hanging out at Mensa meetings....... I didn't write the line above attributed to me but I agree with the Gareth I think who did. Colleen WHY do you like him? Is it just the music ? Nothing more ? Not the style , the class , the strangeness ? I stick to my guns on that one - name me one other person working in the field of popular music who has brought as much "intelligence and taste" to the arena. > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 23:27:58 -0000 From: "Martin Wilkinson (roxy)" Subject: Re: [AVALON] ATGB - the single Ordered the single from WHsmith Online (along with "Bride" for a fiver - seems too good to be true!). The items are now "On Order" which sounds a bit ominous, especially as they were supposed to be 48 hr delivery. Mind you, they could have sold out and are waiting for new stocks - we live in hope. - -----Original Message----- From: Robert Fedder To: avalon@smoe.org Date: 04 November 1999 18:58 Subject: RE: [AVALON] ATGB - the single >No joy in Our Price Horsham either. Album, yes, single no. > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 00:01:05 -0000 From: "Martin Wilkinson (roxy)" Subject: Re: [AVALON] How much did you pay? I've paid £25 for Bristol. Another Sheffielder! Born and bred there, myself, and saw Bry on the Mamouna tour both at the City Hall and Hammersmith Odeon. City Hall way better. Martin Wilkinson martin.wilkinson@tesco.net ========================= And back to the ticket price, is it the same over the UK? I envy anyone going to Sheffield City Hall - a great venue and my hometown. Unfortunatley I can't make it there. And I couldn't even find the Croydon info (did anyone see David Bowie's recent Croydon comments? Very funny, but I've never been, so I can't validate it). - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 23:28:04 -0000 From: "Martin Wilkinson (roxy)" Subject: Re: [AVALON] absound/unknown pleasures It is a bit of a stinker, but I actually found myself quite looking forward to see how ludicrously convoluted and pretentious he could make the next sentence. I think it's Ok if you regard it as a source of some interesting facts and laughable prose, and don't feel bad about skipping long sections of it. Martin Wilkinson - -----Original Message----- From: Jocelyn Fiske To: 'avalon@smoe.org' Date: 04 November 1999 17:12 Subject: RE: [AVALON] absound/unknown pleasures > I seem to make a habit of falling for this phoney >stuff. Yes I bought the book (again intrigued by the author's name, I mean >Stump? Come on!) I found it very useful. My dining room table hasn't wobbled >since I got it.- > > Jocelyn >> --------- >> From: Amy Bettisworth[SMTP:abettisworth@donerus.com] >> Reply To: avalon@smoe.org >> Sent: 04 November 1999 17:44 >> To: avalon@smoe.org >> Subject: [AVALON] absound/unknown pleasures >> >> Someone had asked yesterday about the catalog numbers for the Roxy >> remasters I got from absound. Here they are: >> >> Siren 7243 8 47456 2 2 >> Viva 7243 8 47436 2 8 >> Avalon 7243 8 47438 2 6 >> >> These are the cardboard cases. Hope that helps. >> >> Also, has anyone read "Unknown Pleasures" by Paul Stump? This may have >> been discussed before, but what an awful book! I knew I was in trouble >> when the back cover repeatedly spelled Bryan "Brian"! I've only made it >> through the first two sections, but the author seems to be fond of run on >> sentences that don't make a ton of sense. I'd be curious to hear what >> other's thoughts on this book are. >> >> Also, thanks for the review of last night's show. I couldn't help myself, >> I had to read it! I'll be at the Detroit show next Wednesday. I'm even >> more excited about it now that I've seen Colleen's write up! >> >> Amy B. >> >> >> >> >> -------------------- >> To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >> unsubscribe avalon >> > > > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 19:22:11 -0500 From: "Janice O'Shea" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Best Price on Remasters Someone on the list (sorry - I've forgotten who) suggested: http://www.hmv.com They have some of the limited edition remasters for either $11.99 or $14.99 (Canadian). I ordered a few days ago and some of my order has already shipped. Hope this helps! Janice ASchulberg@aol.com wrote: > > CDNOW is handling the remasters as imports and wants more than $18 apiece for > them. After the bad mouthing of A&B Sound, I'm leery of ordering through > them. So, who knows a reliable supplier with an attractive price for the > remastered Roxy albums? > > Thanks all. > > Arnie > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:29:10 EST From: JObinv01@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Re: On The Road Quite a posse building up at each gig, who, local to each venue, can suggest a meeting place and any local accomodation. There are 2 bars in th SECC next door to the Clyde auditorium, I suggest the downstairs bar is a good place to meet for anyone going there. Any takers....??? 10 Liverpool Royal Court John O'Brien David Killip (and wife) Richard Swift (plus three) 12 Sheffield City Hall John O'Brien David Killip 14 London Festival Hall David Killip (and friend Mark) Andy Cooper Han Snijders Jocelyn Fiske (and 5 friends) John O'Brien (Maybe) Luc Morvellier Chris Turner Robert Whiteford (and Sue) Andrew Langley (and friend) Robert Fedder Caroline Fedder Martin Stockman Joanne Stockman Johnny Reece(+ ? friends) Pete Dewey Mrs J.R. Dewey Richard Swift 15 Croydon Fairfield David Killip (and friend Mark) Jocelyn Fiske Robert Fedder Martin Stockman 17 Glasgow Clyde Auditorium John O'Brien David Killip Gareth McGinley Tom Wallace John Fulton 18 Newcastle City Hall John O'Brien David Killip Gareth McGinley Jocelyn Fiske Tom Wallace Richard Swift S. Batie 19 Bristol Andy Cooper 21 Manchester Appollo Richard Swift - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 00:29:50 +0000 From: "Bahi Para" Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Bryatollah or Elvis the Caustic?? Costello said it. (Not to say that Bryan didn't, but Costello definitely did.) Sting responded in a later interview with something equally banal about Costello's singing voice. There was a 1986 edition of the weekly Time Out magazine (I have a copy somewhere, in some box) that carried Ferry and Sting interviews. Sting mentioned going to see Ferry in Newcastle, playing with the Gas Board; they was "very good" and Ferry was "the same as he is today, really". Q magazine quoted it in '93. B - ---------- >From: "tfagan" >To: >Subject: [AVALON] The Bryatollah or Elvis the Caustic?? >Date: Tue, Nov 9, 1999, 10:59 pm > > this is SOOOOOO funny! that is the exact same quote that I remember Bryan > making?? > one of us ;-} has misremembered this! > are there any tie-breakers out there?? > > --TriTri > > -----Original Message----- > From: Miles Goosens >>And TriTri offers: >> >could stem from the fact that Bry made fun of Sting singing >> >in a Jamaican accent (jealousy rears its ugly head -- once again). >> >>Bryan said it too? I know Elvis Costello said that Sting "should be >>clipped 'round the ears for singing in that phony Jamaican accent." > Cool... >> > > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 17:21:15 -0800 From: "Dawne A. Streutker" Subject: [AVALON] Helene, Helchat, I need your Number!! Hi Helene, Hi everyone. Sorry for this mass mailer, but Helchat, I need your number!! Or call me! 707.539.8052 Thanks! See you Monday!! Best, Dawne - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 01:47:49 -0000 From: "Richard Swift" Subject: Re: [AVALON] If I Didn't Care - ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Whiteford To: Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] If I Didn't Care > > Well point taken but Cliff, George Michael and Garth Brooks are all crap. Robert - Your support as 31 December approaches when my wife - devoid of taste apart from the man she chose to marry - drags me to a Millenium Eve Cliff concert would be greatly appreciated. Perhaps I'll take a walkman with me. Richard - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:58:41 -0600 From: "Will Frechette" Subject: Re: [AVALON] George Michael takes a cue from Bryan Ferry I've got the six pak of blue 45s also, sorry I had to mention them. XTC and the Police, I would've payed to see that myself. Will - ----- Original Message ----- From: tfagan > I, too, liked the Police (have quite a few of the singles that > came out way back when) until I started disliking Sting (the person) with > great intensity. could stem from the fact that Bry made fun of Sting singing > in a Jamaican accent (jealousy rears its ugly head -- once again). > > --TriTri (who witnessed one of the greatest double bills -- in a bar -- of > all time: XTC opening for the Police for about $5) > > PS Eno has a new CD out -- it's called by JAMES! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Will Frechette > > > > > I was a Police fanatic and I thought everything they did was fantastic, > >saw them quite a few times. They were my faves untill Sting got a big head > >and left. Andy Sommmers is fantastic and so was Stew Copeland. I have the > >Roxanne badge picture disc. > > > > Will - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 23:20:39 EST From: GBracken@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Best Price on Remasters Try Everycd.com. They had "For Your Pleasure" and "Avalon" J&R Music also had "Avalon" - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 00:14:32 -0500 From: Noam Bronstein Subject: [AVALON] the Toronto show I just got back from the concert and wanted to share my thoughts. The show was very enjoyable, and I thought Bryan was quite strong overall. This is the first time I've ever seen him live so take my opinions as you will. Most of my impressions are well captured by Colleen's review, so I'll try not to bore you to death with the same details. The skinny is I loved it and would see him again on this tour if I could. Massey Hall holds 2,800 and was sold out. I thought Bryan had some trouble connecting with the crowd at times, but he broke through a number of times and those moments were pure magic, for me. To elaborate... I think the audience tried hard to go with the 'new' stuff (30's music) but I think many - probably about half - just didn't really 'get it'. It seems to me Bryan feeds very much off the crowd's responses and he seemed most 'into it' when playing his previous work and the Roxy songs. Because that's when the entire crowd would come alive. For myself I enjoyed the whole evening immensely. I took my sister who is 21 and knows nothing of Ferry but did in fact know a lot of the 30's songs. She enjoyed it too. We had great seats, sixth row, a bit right of center. The setup is cool, great lighting, and the musicians were all good, the whole thing was just a treat for the senses. But I must say too that the sound (from our vantage at least) sucked on many songs. Probably the setup at Massey. On 'Avalon' Bryan had to motion twice for his mic to be turned up, and were he not such a composed man I think he was getting somewhat.. distracted by the problem. The highlights for me - Smoke Gets In Your Eyes (that's when things started clicking), Carrickfergus was stunning, Bittersweet also, Sunset, Casanova, The Only Face, Where Or When. And........ after the two encores (jealous guy and do the strand), he did As Time Goes By. I thought it was a great ending, it was subdued but really left people wanting more. After Where Or When I yelled "Bravo!" pretty loud, and Bryan thanked me (well, that's how I'll tell it to my grandchildren at least). A few seconds later a guy somewhere behind me yelled "We love you Bryan!!" in a REALLY loud voice, and this was the nicest moment in the evening; Bryan laughed shyly, the crowd roared... and then Bryan relaxed enough to chat with us a bit. He said that on these tours, there are people behind the scenes who don't always get their just desserts. He said someone very special was there, a John Punter if I heard right, and he dedicated the next song to him - Bittersweet. I don't know the significance of this, but thought I'd share it anyway. Bryan seemed really moved at that moment, and on that note, I want to say the experience of seeing him live was really moving for me. He is such an emotional performer and it touches people who are open to that sort of thing. I have a feeling veterans of Ferry concerts would say he had an off night - he did look tired at times, but he's definitely still 'got it', and I loved it. cheers and goodnight -- Noam - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V4 #357 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest