From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V4 #356 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Tuesday, November 9 1999 Volume 04 : Number 356 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Recording ["Simon Galloway" ] RE: PRIVATE: [AVALON] It's a girl!! ["Heather James" ] RE: [AVALON] How much did you pay? [Jocelyn Fiske ] Re: [AVALON] Recording ["Simon Galloway" ] [AVALON] Re: [avalon] If I Didn't Care [Noam Bronstein ] Re: [AVALON] George Michael takes a cue from Bryan Ferry [Miles Goosens <] Re: [AVALON] Boots [Noam Bronstein ] Re: [AVALON] George Michael takes a cue from Bryan Ferry [Noam Bronstein ] [AVALON] Costs [Jason Miko ] Re: [AVALON] If I Didn't Care [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] Recording ["Martin Stockman" ] Re: [AVALON] How much did you pay? [ASchulberg@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Re: [avalon] If I Didn't Care [Kicki Gustafsson ] Re: [AVALON] Thank You [Kicki Gustafsson ] RE: [AVALON] If I Didn't Care [Eric Gregory ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 09:14:17 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Recording Personally, I think we should all be allowed to record it at £40 a ticket!!! It should be bloody gold plated for that price!!! Still, I suppose that's the money you have to pay to see your heroes. SimonG >Given the prospect of a great concert (advance Avalonia raves from US, >interesting band, unusual - and excellent - line up of old material being >reworked) we really need to get some top rate in-venue recording organised. >Knowing the ingenuity of Avalonians, this should be a piece of cake - any >takers? Han, the man? Andy "phones" Cooper? > >Robert - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 04:32:42 -0500 From: "Heather James" Subject: RE: PRIVATE: [AVALON] It's a girl!! I'm sorry? I don't follow you ...   -= )-(eather =- >------------------< hjames@thewebgal.com My Roxy Music Archive: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ >------------------------------------------< - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of LizzieJim@aol.com Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 11:29 PM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: PRIVATE: [AVALON] It's a girl!! I'd like to also join but after I see Bryan this Thursday. How do you I about it? Janeen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:33:13 -0000 From: "Alan Pestridge" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Recording Is £40 a lot or merely the going rate in London? Consider; Premiership football in London - £30 West End Theatre - £20-£50 Opera - £20-£150 Ballet - ??? AP - ----- Original Message ----- From: Simon Galloway To: Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Recording Personally, I think we should all be allowed to record it at £40 a ticket!!! It should be bloody gold plated for that price!!! Still, I suppose that's the money you have to pay to see your heroes. SimonG >Given the prospect of a great concert (advance Avalonia raves from US, >interesting band, unusual - and excellent - line up of old material being >reworked) we really need to get some top rate in-venue recording organised. >Knowing the ingenuity of Avalonians, this should be a piece of cake - any >takers? Han, the man? Andy "phones" Cooper? > >Robert - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 10:45:08 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] If I Didn't Care - ---------- >From: Noam Bronstein > Frankly, who cares how many records he sells? As Neil > Young once said, "I've sold a lot of records. I don't need to sell any more > records." This is not to justify a lacklustre output... but it really is the > artist's decision. We all know record sales mean squat .. Hi Noam I posted a similar view recently. Saying I quite liked his cult status.. "he's so out he's in" .. and so forth. The downside of this persuasion has become apparent to me recently. The packaging of the new single is derisory. Virtually identical to the album sleeve with a snap circa Mamouna instead of the (airbrushed jaw) visage on the ATBG album cover. Compare and contrast this cheapo effort with the beautiful and original cd covers that accompanied the singles off Mamouna. What Iım getting at is that clearly budgets have been slashed. Now Neil Young would probably applaud a no frills, less is more, approach to artwork yet part of the joy of following Bryanıs career has been the style and elan of the product, the attention to detail, the fusion of music and the visual arts. If the cowboys at Virgin canıt finance that part of the deal - and reports of the tour merchandising sound similarly depressing - then we must reflect, sadly, that this is the price that we all pay for his commercial void. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 10:49:19 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] How much did you pay? I think it's a lot, and is probably over what I consider the going rate. Although London is the overpriced carbunkel on my wallet, especially the mortgage. I only paid £25 to see David Bowie at Sheffield Arena, and about £22 to see Bryan Ferry at the BIC (no it's not a biro!!!) Mind you, they were both in 1995 come to think of it..... ............Sorry, I just grew a beard (think of the When I'm 64 sequence from Yellow Submarine). There is one glimmer of hope. The BBC do a lot of recording at the RFH, so maybe...Let's hope anyway. And back to the ticket price, is it the same over the UK? I envy anyone going to Sheffield City Hall - a great venue and my hometown. Unfortunatley I can't make it there. And I couldn't even find the Croydon info (did anyone see David Bowie's recent Croydon comments? Very funny, but I've never been, so I can't validate it). I digress. No, I really do!!! SimonG >>> "Alan Pestridge" 11/09 10:33 am >>> Is £40 a lot or merely the going rate in London? Consider; Premiership football in London - £30 West End Theatre - £20-£50 Opera - £20-£150 Ballet - ??? AP - ----- Original Message ----- From: Simon Galloway To: Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Recording Personally, I think we should all be allowed to record it at £40 a ticket!!! It should be bloody gold plated for that price!!! Still, I suppose that's the money you have to pay to see your heroes. SimonG >Given the prospect of a great concert (advance Avalonia raves from US, >interesting band, unusual - and excellent - line up of old material being >reworked) we really need to get some top rate in-venue recording organised. >Knowing the ingenuity of Avalonians, this should be a piece of cake - any >takers? Han, the man? Andy "phones" Cooper? > >Robert - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:23:19 -0000 From: Jocelyn Fiske Subject: RE: [AVALON] How much did you pay? Bette Davis when welcomed by her British Fan Club President to East Croydon, surveyed the skyline lugubriously and muttered "What a dump". I can hear Bry now, " Hello Croydon! What a dump!" Fairfield Hall is rather in the stylee of the Royal Festival Hall. A Festival of Great Britain folly, which would benefit from a stint on changing rooms, the acoustics, however, are pretty good, and the tickets were only £25 (did I say only?!) Jocelyn > ---------- > From: Simon Galloway[SMTP:SIMONG@jazzfm.com] > Reply To: avalon@smoe.org > Sent: 09 November 1999 11:49 > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: [AVALON] How much did you pay? > > I think it's a lot, and is probably over what I consider the going rate. > Although London is the overpriced carbunkel on my wallet, especially the > mortgage. I only paid £25 to see David Bowie at Sheffield Arena, and about > £22 to see Bryan Ferry at the BIC (no it's not a biro!!!) Mind you, they > were both in 1995 come to think of it..... > > ............Sorry, I just grew a beard (think of the When I'm 64 sequence > from Yellow Submarine). > > There is one glimmer of hope. The BBC do a lot of recording at the RFH, so > maybe...Let's hope anyway. > > And back to the ticket price, is it the same over the UK? I envy anyone > going to Sheffield City Hall - a great venue and my hometown. > Unfortunatley I can't make it there. And I couldn't even find the Croydon > info (did anyone see David Bowie's recent Croydon comments? Very funny, > but I've never been, so I can't validate it). > > I digress. No, I really do!!! > > SimonG > > >>> "Alan Pestridge" 11/09 10:33 > am >>> > Is £40 a lot or merely the going rate in London? > > Consider; > > Premiership football in London - £30 > West End Theatre - £20-£50 > Opera - £20-£150 > Ballet - ??? > > AP > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Simon Galloway > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 9:14 AM > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Recording > > > Personally, I think we should all be allowed to record it at £40 a > ticket!!! > It should be bloody gold plated for that price!!! > > Still, I suppose that's the money you have to pay to see your heroes. > > SimonG > > > >Given the prospect of a great concert (advance Avalonia raves from US, > >interesting band, unusual - and excellent - line up of old material being > >reworked) we really need to get some top rate in-venue recording > organised. > >Knowing the ingenuity of Avalonians, this should be a piece of cake - any > >takers? Han, the man? Andy "phones" Cooper? > > > >Robert > > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 06:53:58 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Recording On Tue, 9 Nov 1999, Simon Galloway wrote: > Personally, I think we should all be allowed to record it at £40 a > ticket!!! It should be bloody gold plated for that price!!! > > Still, I suppose that's the money you have to pay to see your heroes. Y'all do realize that there are 14 people on stage, right? All of whom must be lodged, fed, transported, &tc.? Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 12:33:08 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Recording >>Y'all do realize that there are 14 people on stage, right? All of whom >>must be lodged, fed, transported, &tc.? And so must I. £40 makes it rather exclusive, in a bad way. But that hasn't stopped it from selling out. What a dedicated lot we are. It would appear that only the RFH has this extortionate charge, so it's my fault for living in England's armpit and arsehole. Ah well. I'll shut up about it now, stop being bitter because it's paid for, and start looking forward.... Hey ho SimonG - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 05:14:23 -0800 (PST) From: Noam Bronstein Subject: [AVALON] Re: [avalon] If I Didn't Care Agreed. Of course Bryan would be better served with a more progressive label (Tom Waits a case in point). In fact I really don't understand singles at all in this day and age... back when albums were six bucks and singles were a dollar, maybe (remeber those daze?). I think a better approach, if he wants to get new/younger listeners (and even reach more of his original following) would be to put the 'single' track out free on mp3.com, as a teaser to increase album sales. More and more artists are doing this, though curiously none from Virgin as far as I can tell. In fact, Bryan should just hire the lot of us to handle promotion. Seriously, the concerns are all valid.. I just thought the 'tears in my beer' was getting a bit overblown. I'll stop now. I'm feeling good - --- the show is TONIGHT. NB Martin wrote: Hi Noam I posted a similar view recently. Saying I quite liked his cult status.. "he's so out he's in" .. and so forth. The downside of this persuasion has become apparent to me recently. The packaging of the new single is derisory. Virtually identical to the album sleeve with a snap circa Mamouna instead of the (airbrushed jaw) visage on the ATBG album cover. Compare and contrast this cheapo effort with the beautiful and original cd covers that accompanied the singles off Mamouna. What Iım getting at is that clearly budgets have been slashed. Now Neil Young would probably applaud a no frills, less is more, approach to artwork yet part of the joy of following Bryanıs career has been the style and elan of the product, the attention to detail, the fusion of music and the visual arts. If the cowboys at Virgin canıt finance that part of the deal - and reports of the tour merchandising sound similarly depressing - - then we must reflect, sadly, that this is the price that we all pay for his commercial void. ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 07:51:20 -0600 (CST) From: Heather Marie Propes Subject: [AVALON] Bryan Ferry at the Berklee Performance Center, Boston This show was not one that I was anticipating as eagerly as shows I had been to during the height of my "rock-n-roll years." For one thing - I was going alone, I was pregnant, and I had to go to work the next day, not the right ingredients for a wild and glamourous evening of fun and partying. No, I couldn't even have a post-show cappuchino. Ferry, my favorite musician of late, had just released his first album in about 4 years. It was an album of jazz standards called "As Time Goes By." I had heard many of the songs on it - September Song, The Way You Look Tonight - performed by Ella or Frank or whoever, and although I loved the songs and considered them timeless, I still thought they were a bit facile for Ferry. Nevertheless, I was pleasantly surprised by the concert. Starting promptly at 7:30, we were introduced to a softly lit stage with a horn and string section, and a grand piano. A female harpist, (a typical Ferry beauty) played a harp solo and then left. Then, four more supermodel types came out and played a very pretty string quartet number. We were all thinking, "Are all his musicians going to be women this time?" After they left, 7-8 men came out and played a lovely moody ballroom-y number on guitars, horns, piano and bass. The stage lights were green and blue, with tiny twinkling "stars" on the back wall. This was really beginning to become magical. Finally, Ferry appeared and began to croon "The Way You Look Tonight." It was hopelessly romantic, but with so much early-Roxy--Chance-Meeting-Ferry-foppishness in it that all my apprehensions disappeared. This would not just be a dippy Lawrence Welk evening of "safe" tunes, sung respectfully for an aging crowd. He wasn't reciting these songs at face value, but was making them a bit flamboyant, a bit of a mockery, just to remind us that an experimental, art-damaged soul still raged within. Ferry performed his original material interspersed with the thirties songs, which I thought worked well. The thirties stuff was like pretty glue holding together, and bringing new life to songs such as "Bittersweet," (whose Kurt Weill sound contrasts nicely with "September Song") "Casanova", or "Sunset," (nope, nobody shouted it out either). Bryan himself treated the thirties stuff rather offhandedly, sometimes announcing them quietly as "another one from the thirties." I could tell that the audience was pleased with them, but they never got people into a frenzy like they did to songs such as "Do The Strand," or "Let's Stick Together." There's just too much life left in the original songs. The thirties songs pale in comparison. There was a piano solo of "The Only Face," which was sung so poignantly that it made me wonder if it really was an autobiographical reflection on his passing glory - "The only face/out of place/an emmpty shell." Ferry and his band got geared up for what seemed like a beautiful version of "Avalon," with the strings and horns and two of the four violin/harp girls singing backup. Unfortunately it sort of fell flat due to a bad mic, which was making a loud sound that at first I thought was a intentional avant-gardism, but later realized was a technical problem. Nevertheless, Ferry didn't miss a thing. He played it to the end with the new mic that a roadie brought him mid-show. Overall, the show was exquisite. The lights cast a great mood, romantic but not overly nostalgic. There was a little disco in the vivid blues and greens. Ferry's not going soft. Lastly, on a vain side note, my "pregnancy rock concert attire," which I thought would render me hopelessly underdressed, was actually a bit more carefully conceived than that of many of my fellow Bostonians at the concert, many of whom were wearing sneakers, jeans, and other such garb that would never get them a photo-op with the maestro (not that I got one either in my long silk tunic, flared rayon pants, and platforms, but tbat was probably because my hair was wet). Heather Buch - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/asbuch/index.htm#hometop Heather Marie Buch asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 09:08:22 EST From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Boots My fellow AVALONians- I have posted a request to alt.music.bootlegs looking for current tour boots. I noted one other guy, not an apparent list member, doing the same. There was a post offering a supposed A+ recording of the 11/7 show and I have written that poster, hoping to make a trade. Will keep the list posted. Anybody else find anything yet? Arnie - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 09:30:36 EST From: JObinv01@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Thank You This a copy of an e-mail I sent to the person who supplied me (Us) with the tour dates. I thought it was a good idea to thank them on behalf of ourselves showing our appreciation and hopefully they can be equally help in the future. <<<>>>>> - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 14:40:49 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Boots So how do you post a message on alt.music.bootlegs? Is this one of these newsgroup type things? I've never figured those out. Any tips? Mail me off the list if you like. SimonG >>> 11/09 2:08 pm >>> My fellow AVALONians- I have posted a request to alt.music.bootlegs looking for current tour boots. I noted one other guy, not an apparent list member, doing the same. There was a post offering a supposed A+ recording of the 11/7 show and I have written that poster, hoping to make a trade. Will keep the list posted. Anybody else find anything yet? Arnie - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 08:47:12 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [AVALON] George Michael takes a cue from Bryan Ferry Will said: > Miles I'm afraid you may be talking out your butt. Just because most >Americans didn't get it untill Do Do Do doesn't mean they weren't making it. >Outlandos D'Amour and Regatta de Blanc were their best albums and everybody >I know dug them BIG TIME. That hot, white, punk, reggae groove was the rage, >but maybe I hung with a hipper crowd than most here in the front lines of >Milwaukee. Then Noam Bronstein wrote: >What amazed me was how well these songs stand up, they really don't sound dated >at all - esp the old stuff from Outlandos and Regatta. I'm happy to agree with Will and Noam that the first two Police albums are quite good, and are the best stuff they ever did. It's just that Noam's original claim for "Roxanne" as "the leading song of the second 'British Invasion,'" unless further qualified, seems to depend on most, or at least *enough* North Americans "getting it." I think "Roxanne" has only reached that level of popularity ex post facto, and I'll cling to that conviction until some intrepid Avalonian comes up with footage from 1981 of majorettes in Wichita, KS, doing a fire baton routine to it. And that's all I'm going to say about it. And TriTri offers: >could stem from the fact that Bry made fun of Sting singing >in a Jamaican accent (jealousy rears its ugly head -- once again). Bryan said it too? I know Elvis Costello said that Sting "should be clipped 'round the ears for singing in that phony Jamaican accent." Cool... it's just my butt talkin' tellin you lies yeah, Miles ====================================================== Miles Goosens UNlimited edition R. Stevie Moore CDs now available! http://www.rsteviemoore.com My personal website http://www.mindspring.com/~outdoorminer/miles "If a million people say a stupid thing, it is still a stupid thing." -- Anatole France ====================================================== - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 07:12:54 -0800 (PST) From: Noam Bronstein Subject: Re: [AVALON] Boots An easy way to view and post to newsgroups, if you have www access, is at www.deja.com Use the 'My Deja' feature to set up all the newsgroups you like. The power search feature is very handy too. Noam - --- Simon Galloway wrote: > So how do you post a message on alt.music.bootlegs? Is this one of > these newsgroup type things? I've never figured those out. Any tips? > > Mail me off the list if you like. > > SimonG > > >>> 11/09 2:08 pm >>> > My fellow AVALONians- > > I have posted a request to alt.music.bootlegs looking for current > tour boots. > I noted one other guy, not an apparent list member, doing the same. > > There was a post offering a supposed A+ recording of the 11/7 show > and I have > written that poster, hoping to make a trade. > > Will keep the list posted. Anybody else find anything yet? > > Arnie > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 07:36:03 -0800 (PST) From: Noam Bronstein Subject: Re: [AVALON] George Michael takes a cue from Bryan Ferry Miles, Roxanne was a major hit on Toronto radio stations in 1979-80. And to my recollection it was the first really big "new wave" hit around here. And yes I am talking about mainstream radio... I remember it was a welcome relief from "Who Are You", "Another Brick In The Wall", and "Sultans Of Swing". Elvis Costello, The Clash and XTC were also fairly big on the radio here, although you wouldn't know any of this by looking back at the Billboard charts (the era was apparently dominated by Rod Stewart and Donna Summer... huh??) I guess Billboard is also based in Wichita... this explains everything. :) cheers, Noam - --- Miles Goosens wrote: > Will said: > > Miles I'm afraid you may be talking out your butt. Just because > most > >Americans didn't get it untill Do Do Do doesn't mean they weren't > making it. > >Outlandos D'Amour and Regatta de Blanc were their best albums and > everybody > >I know dug them BIG TIME. That hot, white, punk, reggae groove was > the rage, > >but maybe I hung with a hipper crowd than most here in the front > lines of > >Milwaukee. > > Then Noam Bronstein wrote: > >What amazed me was how well these songs stand up, they really don't > sound > dated > >at all - esp the old stuff from Outlandos and Regatta. > > I'm happy to agree with Will and Noam that the first two Police > albums are > quite good, and are the best stuff they ever did. It's just that > Noam's > original claim for "Roxanne" as "the leading song of the second > 'British > Invasion,'" unless further qualified, seems to depend on most, or at > least > *enough* North Americans "getting it." I think "Roxanne" has only > reached > that level of popularity ex post facto, and I'll cling to that > conviction > until some intrepid Avalonian comes up with footage from 1981 of > majorettes > in Wichita, KS, doing a fire baton routine to it. And that's all I'm > going > to say about it. > > And TriTri offers: > >could stem from the fact that Bry made fun of Sting singing > >in a Jamaican accent (jealousy rears its ugly head -- once again). > > Bryan said it too? I know Elvis Costello said that Sting "should be > clipped 'round the ears for singing in that phony Jamaican accent." > Cool... > > it's just my butt talkin' tellin you lies yeah, > > Miles > > > ====================================================== > Miles Goosens > > UNlimited edition R. Stevie Moore CDs now available! > http://www.rsteviemoore.com > > My personal website > http://www.mindspring.com/~outdoorminer/miles > > "If a million people say a stupid thing, it is still > a stupid thing." > -- Anatole France > ====================================================== > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 16:38:31 -0800 From: Jason Miko Subject: [AVALON] Costs I'm a grand lurker on this list but can't help commenting on the myriad discussions going on about price. I'm an American living and working in Skopje, Macedonia. Last week, I flew to the USA for the sole purpose of going to the Washington, DC and New York shows. I was, needless to say, upset that the Tuesday show was cancelled (for which I had tickets), but absolutely thrilled with the two concerts I did see. Elegant. I am not a millionaire. I work for a humanitarian outfit here. This was simply too important to pass up. Anybody have the European schedule yet (post-UK)? Jason Miko - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:49:39 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] If I Didn't Care On Tue, 9 Nov 1999, Robert Whiteford wrote: > I think we are just worried because Ferry himself has expressed views in the > past that he would "die" if people didn't buy his records. If this is true--and of course I don't think every word that he utters should be taken as the Gospel truth--and Mr. Ferry's primary career goal is to sell records, then he should devote himself to the practice of making records that lots of people will buy. It's as simple as that. If Mr. Ferry means that he needs the approval of the public that desperately, well, then he needs more than record sales. Again, I'm sure his words are not meant to be taken at face value. Let's face it--he's a very wealthy man married to a very wealthy woman. The sales of any one record at this stage of his career are not going to land him on the dole. In fact, I would argue that the size of his bank account and the advances in technology could land him in a space that could afford him the most artistic freedom of his career. For if unsigned bands can scrape together the funds to put out their own CDs, then certainly Mr. Ferry is in a place to do the same, recording whatever is true to his own artistic vision and selling it via the fan club or even even via BryanFerrydirect.com, or whatever that website is. The question is whether he wants to do that, and whether he perceives some sort of loss of status in doing so. In fact, when I read on this list--and on others--about fans trying their best to jumpstart a lackluster (or even non-existent) publicity campaign around a new release I find myself asking: Don't you think that the artist in question and his/her management have already pushed for as much publicity and promotion as is feasible given the circumstances? Do you think that these people who have vested interests haven't tried their very best already to push and lobby for them? And if they haven't tried, and if they don't think it's worthwhile to make the effort, then why should the fans? > And now they're not . and we want him to carry on. The truth of it for me is this: I don't care about album covers or single packaging or mirrors or ash trays or T-shirts (although I do still have my David Cassidy beach towel). I care about the music. That's what it's all about, isn't it? But to say "but they're not"--leads me to ask "why should they?" And who is this mysterious "they"? And why would "they" want to buy this highly out-of-fashion, even vanity-like, album? And why should "they" be deemed wrong if they *don't* want to buy it? Would any of you have bought it if it wasn't Bryan Ferry? Say, if it were the same track listing but Cliff Richard singing? Or George Michael? or Garth Brooks? Let me ask y'all the question I have been biting my tongue about for weeks--did anyone *really* think this was going to be a best-seller for Ferry? It's not a pop album by any stretch of the imagination. There is no real breakout single on it--not even a radio only one. There are a few records stations in the US which might play cuts from it it--the kind that play Barbra Streisand and Julio Igelesias and Neil Diamond--but the truth of the matter that if push came to shove, they'd play the Neil Diamond version of "As Time Goes By" because he is more recognizable. I'm not making the argument that commercial=good--or its converse, for that matter. But am I asking how anyone could have thought this album was going to bring in even respectable sales. I won't even get into the idea that somehow Ferry is going to attract a new, younger audience with any album he puts out. He's already had his day in the sun. There's nothing disgraceful about the fact he is not on MTV 383727 times a day. Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 15:55:08 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Boots AH, thankyou very much. I've done that, a bit time consuming but very interesting. SimonG >>> Noam Bronstein 11/09 3:12 pm >>> An easy way to view and post to newsgroups, if you have www access, is at www.deja.com Use the 'My Deja' feature to set up all the newsgroups you like. The power search feature is very handy too. Noam - --- Simon Galloway wrote: > So how do you post a message on alt.music.bootlegs? Is this one of > these newsgroup type things? I've never figured those out. Any tips? > > Mail me off the list if you like. > > SimonG > > >>> 11/09 2:08 pm >>> > My fellow AVALONians- > > I have posted a request to alt.music.bootlegs looking for current > tour boots. > I noted one other guy, not an apparent list member, doing the same. > > There was a post offering a supposed A+ recording of the 11/7 show > and I have > written that poster, hoping to make a trade. > > Will keep the list posted. Anybody else find anything yet? > > Arnie > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 16:04:41 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Recording - ---------- >From: "Simon Galloway" > It would appear that only the RFH has this extortionate charge, so it's my > fault for living in England's armpit and arsehole. Dear Simon I can only think your jaundiced opinion of foggy, groovy London Town, see above outburst, is derived from living south of the river ! - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:09:24 EST From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] How much did you pay? In a message dated 11/09/1999 6:32:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, Jocelyn.Fiske@greyeu.com writes: << Bette Davis when welcomed by her British Fan Club President to East Croydon, surveyed the skyline lugubriously and muttered "What a dump". I can hear Bry now, " Hello Croydon! What a dump!" >> No. Wouldn't he say, "Good to see you again. It's great to be back in Croydon so soon. EEEEEYYYYYY!"? Arnie - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 17:19:13 +0100 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: [avalon] If I Didn't Care >Agreed. Of course Bryan would be better served with a more progressive >label (Tom Waits a case in point). In fact I really don't understand >singles at all in this day and age... back when albums were six bucks >and singles were a dollar, maybe (remeber those daze?). Can't say I do. But I do remember when LP:s were 35 kronor and singles 10 kronor. /Kicki G - --------------------------- Kicki Gustafsson http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG kicki.gustafsson@op.se - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 08:14:25 PST From: "gareth mc ginley" Subject: Re: [AVALON] If I Didn't Care >Here is a man who should never have been a rock star.And I've always felt >that >popular music was very lucky to have attracted someone like Ferry into it, >who would otherwise have been a fine art dealer or a teacher or something . Rob, This is exactly what makes Ferry unique. Surely nobody has ever brought so much intelligence and taste to bare on pop music. Everything that Ferry does, from his lyrics to his presentation, is filled with thought. People like him just tend to take different career paths, like as you say an antique dealer or something. People who expand your horizons in this way are just completely untypical of pop music. There's a lot of non musicians floating around the pop world these days but very few of them have half a brain in their head. I'm sure he couldn't give a toss that the latest single has flopped when he see's the likes of Baby Spice and Ginger Spice both vying for number 1 in the singles chart. You can just see him having a head to head with those two. >And I >find it difficult to accept that all this time between records was >productive. Too much bogging around and indecision more like it. > I'm not too sure about this. Ferry has called himself his own best critic. He's intelligent enough to know when things don't sound right. And if he's not happy to release it, then I'm happy enough not to hear it. Ferry has obviously had a lot more off days over the last 10-15 years than he did in the 70's. The great thing about the studio though is that you can hide those tiresome bits from the public. This is exactly the opposite of, say, a sporting hero in decline, who can collapse before your very eyes in the most painful way imaginable. Gareth ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 17:23:03 +0100 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] Thank You >but there are even some members of >our list coming from Holland and Sweden, Who's coming from Sweden?? Kicki G - --------------------------- Kicki Gustafsson http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG kicki.gustafsson@op.se - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:20:28 -0800 From: Eric Gregory Subject: RE: [AVALON] If I Didn't Care >>Surely nobody has ever brought so >>much intelligence and taste to bare on pop music. can this be?!?!?!?!??! ______________________________________________ Eric S. Gregory IVR Assistant egregory@standard.com (503) 321-8503 ____________________________________________ - -----Original Message----- From: gareth mc ginley [mailto:ginley71@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 8:14 AM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] If I Didn't Care >Here is a man who should never have been a rock star.And I've always felt >that >popular music was very lucky to have attracted someone like Ferry into it, >who would otherwise have been a fine art dealer or a teacher or something . Rob, This is exactly what makes Ferry unique. Surely nobody has ever brought so much intelligence and taste to bare on pop music. Everything that Ferry does, from his lyrics to his presentation, is filled with thought. People like him just tend to take different career paths, like as you say an antique dealer or something. People who expand your horizons in this way are just completely untypical of pop music. There's a lot of non musicians floating around the pop world these days but very few of them have half a brain in their head. I'm sure he couldn't give a toss that the latest single has flopped when he see's the likes of Baby Spice and Ginger Spice both vying for number 1 in the singles chart. You can just see him having a head to head with those two. >And I >find it difficult to accept that all this time between records was >productive. Too much bogging around and indecision more like it. > I'm not too sure about this. Ferry has called himself his own best critic. He's intelligent enough to know when things don't sound right. And if he's not happy to release it, then I'm happy enough not to hear it. Ferry has obviously had a lot more off days over the last 10-15 years than he did in the 70's. The great thing about the studio though is that you can hide those tiresome bits from the public. This is exactly the opposite of, say, a sporting hero in decline, who can collapse before your very eyes in the most painful way imaginable. Gareth ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V4 #356 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest