From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V4 #354 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Monday, November 8 1999 Volume 04 : Number 354 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [AVALON] On The Road [S.J.Batie@open.ac.uk] Re: [AVALON] "I'm in The Mood for Love" Single [JObinv01@aol.com] [AVALON] Re: The first Roxy release [JObinv01@aol.com] RE: [AVALON] RM video collection ["Heather James" ] Re: [AVALON] A drink before RFH ["Martin Stockman" ] RE: [AVALON] absound/Remasters - Confused... ["Karen Norton" ] FW: [AVALON] sartorial comments & gin martinis ["Robert Fedder" ] Re: [AVALON] If I Didn't Care ["Robert Whiteford" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:12:33 -0000 From: S.J.Batie@open.ac.uk Subject: RE: [AVALON] On The Road > 18 Newcastle City Hall > John O'Brien > David Killip > Gareth McGinley > Jocelyn Fiske > Tom Wallace steve batie - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 04:54:11 EST From: JObinv01@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] "I'm in The Mood for Love" Single In a message dated 06/11/99 12:08:06 GMT, you write: << Wasn't there a Millais (or possibly Rosetti) painting used for a single picture sleeve on one of ther "Avalon" singles?..an answer from J. O'B please. >> J.F. Roxy beat me to it, but you can always rely on a Scotsman. J. McB - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 04:54:09 EST From: JObinv01@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Re: The first Roxy release In a message dated 08/11/99 06:13:53 GMT, you write: << My vinyl copy does have Virgina Plain on it. I purchased is in Los Angeles in 1977. However, it did not include the photos of the band in the sleave. >> The USA Warner release included VP as did all the USA releases. The Warner gatefold had the bandmembers inside, but with Rik Kenton instead of Graham Simpson. A later ATCO release, which might be the one you have, was not a gatefold sleeve and therefore didn't include the band members photograph. regards John O'Brien - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 04:55:52 -0500 From: "Heather James" Subject: RE: [AVALON] RM video collection This collection has a 1995 copyright. The US release I bought at Tower Records has: 1. Your Painted Smile 2. Same Old Scene 3. Limbo 4. These Foolish Things 5. Re-make/Re-Model 6. Will You Love Me Tomorrow 7. Lets Stick Together 8. Windswept 9. A Hard Rain's Gonna Fall 10. Slave to Love 11. The Right Stuff 12. What Goes On 13. Is Your Love Strong Enough 14. The Price of Love 15. Angel Eyes 16. Don't Stop the Dance 17. You Go To My Head 18. I Put a Spell on You 19. The Main Thing 20. Girl of my Best Friend 21. Kiss and Tell 22. Jealous Guy 23. Don't Want to Know 24. Mamouna I hope this helps!   -= )-(eather =- >------------------< hjames@thewebgal.com TheWebGal Biz Site: http://www.thewebgal.com/ Heather's Website: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/ My Roxy Music Archive: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ MCC NOVA's Website: http://www.mccnova.com/ >------------------------------------------< - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Noam Bronstein Sent: Sunday, November 07, 1999 10:38 PM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] RM video collection Rod, if you get a moment could you post the song list from the video collection? I looked on Amazon and they don't list the details. Any more juicy tidbits appreciated.. thanks, Noam Rod Le Cloux wrote: While I was at The Mall of America I picked up the video "B.F. & Roxy Music Video Collection". I was quite impressed with it. Some of the things I noticed on first run thru were: 1. Ann Nicole Smith was in one of the video's(Windswept?--I'll check again and correct later) 2. David Gilmour(Pink Floyd) appears in "Is Your Love Strong Enough" 3. Gail Ann Dorsey(David Bowie's bass player) appears briefly in "I Put A Spell On You". I also just discovered that in the liner notes for "Taxi" that she is also "Thanked" but is not listed as playing on Taxi. Does anyone know the details behind this? 4. B.F. is sporting a beard in "What Goes On". It reminded me of Barry Gibb(Bee Gees) for some reason. Kinda scary... Anyways, this is a small start of interesting things on the video's. Is there a better list somewhere else or should we just start one? Take Care, Rod - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 10:52:30 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] A drink before RFH - ---------- >From: "David Squires" > There's a rather nice pub on Roupel Street, about 10-15 minutes walk south from > the south bank. Check out the A-Z or, if you can't find it from that I can > probably scan the correct page and add a giant X. It sells Adnams, amongst > others. I've been there a couple of times after meeting people at the National > Film Theatre. I *think* it's called the King's Head, but I can't quite remember - > sorry! Yeah David. I'm down that way this week so I'll check it out. I have a feeling that this is the one Andy Cooper and I visited a couple of months ago. It's on a terraced street, no ? For what it's worth I'll try and get someone from IE Management to join us. I have a sneeky feeling that Phil M will be guesting at this gig so perhaps we'll notify him as well via his site. Yours, labouriously checking out watering holes, Martino - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 10:53:39 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] If I Didn't Care > But why do I lie awake all night > And dream all day long? Perhaps this refrain encapsulates Bry's last fifteen years of work. It's taken from the bonus track on the ATGB single, If I Didn't Care, which, to my knowledge, hasn't been discussed in these pages. Set midway between the slower, haunting numbers and the jaunty, and to my ears, rather inconsequential, up-tempo swing tracks from the album, this song's strum-plod is enlivened by some marvelous falsetto phrasing. "..And would I be sure" evokes "Surely you cannot be leading me on" from Sentimental Fool. Either he's hitting the laughing gas or he can still deliver those high notes. In modern times the modern way, of course. As time goes by I find myself drifting to the conclusion that the album can be divided into top drawer Ferryana (I'm in the mood, Where or When, Time on my hands, Fallin in Love Again), the pleasant (Easy Living, Just One Of Those Things, As Time Goes By, Miss Otis and others) and the I'm cry cry crying disappointments, (The Way You Look Tonight - what's the bloody hurry ? - Sweet and Lovely and,sorry Jimmy V., September Song.) So. Another album studying marble flaws when we should be staring at the sumptious fresco on the ceiling. For my money only Roxy albums 2, 3 and 8, and Bride and B&G of the solos, were without dud tracks. A final point. The "covers v original" debate has been much discussed here ; Although ATGB couldn't have had a self-penned number I still believe Bryan shouldn't be afraid of mixing up originals and "readymades" on his next project. Think how well it worked on Bride. The best of Taxi and Mamouna would have made one incomparable album, with, say, the likes of "Amazing Grace" and "Gemini Moon" staying on the cutting room floor. Martenot - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 10:15:48 -0600 From: Kimberly Shell Subject: [AVALON] Chicago show Jas: We need to make plans to meet up before Thursday's show! Where/ when do you want to hook up? Also - all other Chicago-fans are welcome!!! - -kimbo - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:08:06 -0500 From: "Karen Norton" Subject: RE: [AVALON] absound/Remasters - Confused... I ended up in Tower Records here in Toronto on Saturday and out of curiosity checked into the Remaster of Avalon they have as I'd already purchased the Avalon Remasterd CD from HMV (in cardboard with Japanese border). Well Tower had the exact same cardboard sleeve as HMV, but also had the jewel case for sale at double the price $36.99 CDN and it too has the Japanese border. Does anyone know why they've released the jewel and the cardboard cases? Is one supposed to be better than the other? From what I could tell the track listing is identical on both and from what it sounds like now, according to JD, there are cardboard sleeves floating around without the Japanese border. Karen - ---------------- JD wrote: > Hello...I must say that although I picked up an Avalon remaster that is in > the cardboard ALBUM TYPE sleeve packed in a snug fitting plastic > bag....and > it sounds fantastic....it had NO JAPANESE writing on it what so ever. > JD - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 08:29:01 PST From: "mark shanahan" Subject: [AVALON] sartorial comments & gin martinis greetings. here's the piece bryan did on style for details magazine from july '92: THE DETERMINATOR - Bryan Ferry fields your questions on love, life, and the perfect white shirt. Q: I'm looking for the perfect white shirt. What things should I pay attention to? (J.P. Dallas, TX) BF: Try to avoid polyester. The cut should be full, the sleeves generous in length, and the collar should have character -- either in a sculpted Comme des Garcons mode or the traditional Jermyn Street cutaway. One pocket is permitted. Ruffles should be approached only by experts, such as headwaiters and Englebert Humperdinck. Q: What is the definition of a gentleman? (P.T. NYC) BF: Good manners and handmade shoes. Q: I'm bored with wearing a plain blazer. What embellishments are acceptable? BF: A blazer can be a bit of a lark, especially when sporting a self-styled family crest. Vents ought to be avoided, but imagination can run riot with patch, flapped, or welted pockets and various button combinations. Beware the Tony Curtis 'Some Like It Hot' look, unless you're about to seduce Marilyn Monroe. Q: How do you look stylish without being a fashion victim? (D.T.R. Los Angeles) BF: With great difficulty. Q: What's the best way to recover from a broken heart? (T.W. Sarasota, FL) BF: A gin martini, straight up, with a twist. Q: The girl I'm dating gets frustrated because I don't like to dance. She thinks I'm not sexy. She says that everyone who's good in bed is also good on the dance floor. Is she right? (P.L. Rochester, NY) BF: The dance/sex equation is a tricky one. It is reliably told to me that reluctant hoofers often show a no-holds-barred approach 'dan le sac'. My advice is: Listen to the music, close your eyes and go, man, go! Q: Who is a more stylish role model: Gary Cooper, Clark Gable or Humphrey Bogart? (J.T. Phoenix, AZ) BF: Gary Cooper gets my vote. But don't overlook Franchot Tone. **************************(... und here izizzzzz...)****************** Q: Is it O.K. to wear white socks with a dark suit? (G.R. Rochester, NY) BF: The $64,000 question. The bottom line is always the cut of the trouser. Q: What statement is made by wearing boxer shorts? What about Y-fronts? (P.D.S. Toronto, ON, Canada) BF: There is little precise research on this. Some pundits will swear by the boxer short as being more 'sportif', while others stand by the Y-front as more distinguished and manly. Until 'Details' conducts its own survey, remember this: It is the package that counts, not how it is wrapped. Q: Is it true that rock stars make better lovers? If so, why? Sand Diego, CA) BF: Absolutely not true. They're no different than you and me. END. so ... i thought it pretty amusing. i'll try to do the other interview (relative portions) later today or sometime soon this week. peaces/ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:51:46 -0600 From: "Will Frechette" Subject: Re: [AVALON] George Michael takes a cue from Bryan Ferry I was a Police fanatic and I thought everything they did was fantastic, saw them quite a few times. They were my faves untill Sting got a big head and left. Andy Sommmers is fantastic and so was Stew Copeland. I have the Roxanne badge picture disc. Will - ----- Original Message ----- From: Noam Bronstein > >Richard Swift wrote: > >...pleasing version of The Police's "Roxanne" - a great song but not one > >I would personally single out as 'a song of the century', if that is what the > album >proves to be about. Richard > > Hmmm.. my sister and I were talking about that song last night... catchier > than anything from XTC or The Clash, definitely more palatable than 'God Save > The Queen'. Maybe not a song of the century, but I think (from a North > American perspective) "Roxanne" was probably the leading song of the second > "British Invasion"... anyone have a differing memory of this period? > > -Noam - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 12:19:25 -0600 From: "Will Frechette" Subject: Re: [AVALON] George Michael takes a cue from Bryan Ferry Miles I'm afraid you may be talking out your butt. Just because most Americans didn't get it untill Do Do Do doesn't mean they weren't making it. Outlandos D'Amour and Regatta de Blanc were their best albums and everybody I know dug them BIG TIME. That hot, white, punk, reggae groove was the rage, but maybe I hung with a hipper crowd than most here in the front lines of Milwaukee. Will - ----- Original Message ----- From: Noam Bronstein To: Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 10:22 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] George Michael takes a cue from Bryan Ferry > Thank you for that history lesson Miles. The next time I need clarification on > terms like "punk", "new wave" and "alternative" I'll be sure to consult the MTV > Consiousness Guide, Concise Edition, before posting. > > -Noam > > > Miles Goosens wrote: > > > At 10:13 PM 10/30/1999 -0500, Noam Bronstein wrote: > > >The Queen'. Maybe not a song of the century, but I think (from a North > > >American perspective) "Roxanne" was probably the leading song of the second > > >"British Invasion"... anyone have a differing memory of this period? > > > > If you lived in a city big enough to have an adventurous radio station, or > > near a college campus, that may have been true, but I can assure you that > > the Police did not seriously penetrate the consciousness of most Americans > > until "Don't Stand So Close To Me" and "De Doo Doo Doo, De Da Da > > Da." Futhermore, every cheerleader and majorette didn't own a Police > > album until SYNCHRONICITY and "Every Breath You Take." "Roxanne" and even > > the huge international hit "Message in a Bottle" weren't even a blip on the > > radar in most of the US in the early '80s. > > > > With the explosion of "alternative" into actual chart hits following > > Nirvana's success, we've seen a decade of "'80s Lunches" and "Classic > > Alternative" shows as media outlets try to invent an alternative past, but > > don't let these ahistorical exercises hoodwink you -- I would have been > > much happier as a teen if songs by Talking Heads, the Ramones, Elvis > > Costello, the Buzzcocks, and XTC had actually been on the radio instead of > > only existing in my record collection. > > > > later, > > > > Miles > > > > ====================================================== > > Miles Goosens > > > > UNlimited edition R. Stevie Moore CDs now available! > > http://www.rsteviemoore.com > > > > My personal website > > http://www.mindspring.com/~outdoorminer/miles > > > > "If a million people say a stupid thing, it is still > > a stupid thing." > > -- Anatole France > > ====================================================== > > > > -------------------- > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Nov 99 15:48:39 UT From: "Robert Fedder" Subject: [AVALON] Recording Given the prospect of a great concert (advance Avalonia raves from US, interesting band, unusual - and excellent - line up of old material being reworked) we really need to get some top rate in-venue recording organised. Knowing the ingenuity of Avalonians, this should be a piece of cake - any takers? Han, the man? Andy "phones" Cooper? Robert - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 99 18:09:40 UT From: "Robert Fedder" Subject: FW: [AVALON] sartorial comments & gin martinis Is this a hoax or what? "BF still has sense of humour in 92" shock. Love it. greetings. here's the piece bryan did on style for details magazine from july '92: THE DETERMINATOR - Bryan Ferry fields your questions on love, life, and the perfect white shirt. Q: I'm looking for the perfect white shirt. What things should I pay attention to? (J.P. Dallas, TX) BF: Try to avoid polyester. The cut should be full, the sleeves generous in length, and the collar should have character -- either in a sculpted Comme des Garcons mode or the traditional Jermyn Street cutaway. One pocket is permitted. Ruffles should be approached only by experts, such as headwaiters and Englebert Humperdinck. Q: What is the definition of a gentleman? (P.T. NYC) BF: Good manners and handmade shoes. Q: I'm bored with wearing a plain blazer. What embellishments are acceptable? BF: A blazer can be a bit of a lark, especially when sporting a self-styled family crest. Vents ought to be avoided, but imagination can run riot with patch, flapped, or welted pockets and various button combinations. Beware the Tony Curtis 'Some Like It Hot' look, unless you're about to seduce Marilyn Monroe. Q: How do you look stylish without being a fashion victim? (D.T.R. Los Angeles) BF: With great difficulty. Q: What's the best way to recover from a broken heart? (T.W. Sarasota, FL) BF: A gin martini, straight up, with a twist. Q: The girl I'm dating gets frustrated because I don't like to dance. She thinks I'm not sexy. She says that everyone who's good in bed is also good on the dance floor. Is she right? (P.L. Rochester, NY) BF: The dance/sex equation is a tricky one. It is reliably told to me that reluctant hoofers often show a no-holds-barred approach 'dan le sac'. My advice is: Listen to the music, close your eyes and go, man, go! Q: Who is a more stylish role model: Gary Cooper, Clark Gable or Humphrey Bogart? (J.T. Phoenix, AZ) BF: Gary Cooper gets my vote. But don't overlook Franchot Tone. **************************(... und here izizzzzz...)****************** Q: Is it O.K. to wear white socks with a dark suit? (G.R. Rochester, NY) BF: The $64,000 question. The bottom line is always the cut of the trouser. Q: What statement is made by wearing boxer shorts? What about Y-fronts? (P.D.S. Toronto, ON, Canada) BF: There is little precise research on this. Some pundits will swear by the boxer short as being more 'sportif', while others stand by the Y-front as more distinguished and manly. Until 'Details' conducts its own survey, remember this: It is the package that counts, not how it is wrapped. Q: Is it true that rock stars make better lovers? If so, why? Sand Diego, CA) BF: Absolutely not true. They're no different than you and me. END. so ... i thought it pretty amusing. i'll try to do the other interview (relative portions) later today or sometime soon this week. peaces/ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 20:14:02 +0100 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] sartorial comments & gin martinis >greetings. here's the piece bryan did on style for details magazine from >july '92: > >THE DETERMINATOR - Bryan Ferry fields your questions on love, life, >and the perfect white shirt. This will go straight on to the Avalon-site! To good not to. /Kicki G - --------------------------- Kicki Gustafsson http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG kicki.gustafsson@op.se - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 21:06:35 +0100 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: [AVALON] New editions The wait is finally over! Not only has the lovely Jas Anderson come through with his profile, the one and only John O'Brien reveals all on the Avalon-site, http://home.op.se/opse3503. John has a snap of himself and a guy with a weird hat and hair that needs cutting... Your ever faithful and humble servant /Kicki G - --------------------------- Kicki Gustafsson http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG kicki.gustafsson@op.se - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 20:59:51 -0000 From: "Robert Whiteford" Subject: Re: [AVALON] If I Didn't Care Martin Stockman wrote, > > So. Another album studying marble flaws when we should be staring at the > sumptious fresco on the ceiling. For my money only Roxy albums 2, 3 and 8, > and Bride and B&G of the solos, were without dud tracks. > > > Martenot I say the the following expecting some flak but I think my shoulders are broad enough. I think you're right. I love Bryan Ferry. I'll argue with anybody who thinks he's an old joke. For me Ferry has always stood out - "I'm a stranger in your town" he wrote on the last track of the album he peaked his meaningful career with. "But that's the place where I belong". It's the fact that he's different, the only face out of place, that makes him so brilliant. Here is a man who should never have been a rock star. He's only recently learned to sing as far as I can hear, he can't really dance, he looks as comfortable as a pair of hedgehog skinned Y- fronts in the public eye and he does as little as humanly possible to promote himself. But he brings something of himself to it. Class. And I've always felt that popular music was very lucky to have attracted someone like Ferry into it, who would otherwise have been a fine art dealer or a teacher or something . The craft with which he put his music together was incredible in an industry where any old crap will usually do . Was he writing the lyrics or just playing with old ones ? "The Sky is dark , the wind is cold, the night is young before it's old" sounds uncannily like "Lover come back to me" . Maybe ATGB is telling us where he got his Roxy ideas from. So here we have this sensitive, strange, quiet, classy, aloof, shy outsider to the world of pop music. But I feel he's without a single exception the most interesting person to have worked in this field. Because he doesn't really belong there. Some of the decline may be due to the "instant gratification" society where if it doesn't catch on first listen people don't listen again.....we can all be depressed about ATGB being no 37 in the chart (I am) but it doesn't have any hit singles on it (unless you think IMTMFL is) and that's why he ain't in the public eye. And that's why he isn't selling. More depressingly though to continue in your "marble flaw" vein, is THIS the same Bryan Ferry who sang "I am for the man who drives the hammer , to rock you 'til the grave"? These days his power drill shocks a couple of hundred yards away if you're lucky. Maybe he's looking for lyrics in a looking glass world ! They certainly seem pretty hard to find. And yet , all this said, I genuinely think ATGB is great, light years ahead of Taxi. But then that had a catchy single. And the more I listen the more I think "what a voice". If he put out stuff every year he'd be fine. And I find it difficult to accept that all this time between records was productive. Too much bogging around and indecision more like it. But I sense the natives are getting restless.....even the diehards are not entirely convinced anymore as you can see from this list. Worrying times for the Cool Ruler and his fans. I'm worried he'll pack it in. "Bent on a life between the lines - end on a Sign of the Times ". Rob > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 22:57:43 +0100 From: "Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Recording >Given the prospect of a great concert (advance Avalonia raves from US, >interesting band, unusual - and excellent - line up of old material being >reworked) we really need to get some top rate in-venue recording organised. >Knowing the ingenuity of Avalonians, this should be a piece of cake - any >takers? Han, the man? Andy "phones" Cooper? > >Robert Never done this before. And I don't have the equipment. But more important I want to concentrate on the maestro instead of the sound level. And.....Andy bought a new mike, special for this event! Isn't he fantastic? Han Mark, thanks for that interview. Very funny! - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 22:58:16 +0000 From: "Bahi Para" Subject: Re: [AVALON] sartorial comments & gin martinis I can't believe Bryan actually wrote it (mundane, dated magazine columnist writing style) but he must have had some input. Great tips. :-) Reluctant hoofers? Sub-editor City. B - ---------- >From: "mark shanahan" >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: [AVALON] sartorial comments & gin martinis >Date: Mon, Nov 8, 1999, 4:29 pm > [...] > Q: The girl I'm dating gets frustrated because I don't like to > dance. She thinks I'm not sexy. She says that everyone who's good > in bed is also good on the dance floor. Is she right? (P.L. > Rochester, NY) > > BF: The dance/sex equation is a tricky one. It is reliably told to > me that reluctant hoofers often show a no-holds-barred approach 'dan > le sac'. My advice is: Listen to the music, close your eyes and go, > man, go! - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 23:01:27 -0000 From: "Richard Swift" Subject: Re: [AVALON] If I Didn't Care Rob - Another eloquent message from someone on the list who expresses precisely what I feel about Bryan and saves me the bother! And not "eloquent" in any sycophantic sense - eloquent because you sum up nicely the craftsmanship this man has brought to the music business (unparalelled in my opinion too), the frustration about the long periods with no output and the fears for the future. That future could be a secure one if Bryan could just get it in gear and get an album out every 12-18 months. If he'd done that in the years immediately preceeding this release he'd be in the public eye, have a committed record company and an album of 1930s covers in the top 5 not wallowing around at 37. I think he can turn it around if he wants to - in that respect he's no different to anyone else in music who have had lean periods and come back strong - but it requires change on his part. No-one else can do it for him. I hope he pulls it off. Richard PS Woolworths in the UK are now - finally - stocking the album. They show it as new at No. 50 on their in house chart. Had this not been the case I could have found myself up before a magistrate for some form of violent outburst when I saw they had in their album chart - on the day of release - an album from that well known music artist Jim Davidson. Just for once, non UK Avalonians count yourself lucky that this is a thoroughly home grown 'performer' who, as far as I'm aware, rarely inflicts himself upon foreign shores. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 22:42:32 -0000 From: "Richard Swift" Subject: Re: [AVALON] If I Didn't Care - ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin Stockman To: Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] If I Didn't Care > A final point. The "covers v original" debate has been much discussed here ; > Although ATGB couldn't have had a self-penned number I still believe Bryan > shouldn't be afraid of mixing up originals and "readymades" on his next > project. Think how well it worked on Bride. The best of Taxi and Mamouna > would have made one incomparable album, with, say, the likes of "Amazing > Grace" and "Gemini Moon" staying on the cutting room floor. > > Martenot Spot on Martin. As for the bonus track on the CD single, I do like "If I didn't Care" - it would have fitted onto the album very nicely. Whilst I haven't bored everyone with my own blow by blow account of the album (because it would be something of a screed, albeit a favourable one), it's fair to say that the whole thing has grown on me incredibly. It's a terrific ensemble of songs and even what I thought was an all too jaunty version of The Way You Look Tonight now seems OK - I suppose it's the quality and authenticity of the music that really grabs me - as has been expressed many times before this really does have a 30s feel to it that you can get really caught up in. Although not terribly knowledgeable about jazz, it's hard to think of anyone who's recently produced an album of this kind, so carefully crafted. The album might have faults, but right now I can't see any of them. Regards Richard - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 22:29:41 -0000 From: "Richard Swift" Subject: Re: [AVALON] A drink before RFH Martin - You're doing sterling work here - perhaps try a pint or two in the prospective watering holes so that you can make a really considered decision - tough work on our behalf I know but someone's got to do it! It would obviously be great to meet Phil (I've never met any Roxy member) but also to discuss a few things with someone from IE - I'm sure both sides would benefit from a chat along the same lines as at RFH #1 with Jim Lawn and the "consultant"! It would be good if you could pull this off. Regards, Richard - ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin Stockman To: Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] A drink before RFH > > > ---------- > >From: "David Squires" > > There's a rather nice pub on Roupel Street, about 10-15 minutes walk south > from > > the south bank. Check out the A-Z or, if you can't find it from that I can > > probably scan the correct page and add a giant X. It sells Adnams, amongst > > others. I've been there a couple of times after meeting people at the > National > > Film Theatre. I *think* it's called the King's Head, but I can't quite > remember - > > sorry! > > Yeah David. I'm down that way this week so I'll check it out. I have a > feeling that this is the one Andy Cooper and I visited a couple of months > ago. It's on a terraced street, no ? > > For what it's worth I'll try and get someone from IE Management to join us. > I have a sneeky feeling that Phil M will be guesting at this gig so perhaps > we'll notify him as well via his site. > > Yours, labouriously checking out watering holes, > > Martino > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 22:43:01 EST From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] sartorial comments & gin martinis WONDERFUL! I didn't know this existed. Ferry shows he's both a ham and wry. Loved it. Arnie - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 23:15:08 -0500 From: "tfagan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] George Michael takes a cue from Bryan Ferry I, too, liked the Police (have quite a few of the singles that came out way back when) until I started disliking Sting (the person) with great intensity. could stem from the fact that Bry made fun of Sting singing in a Jamaican accent (jealousy rears its ugly head -- once again). - --TriTri (who witnessed one of the greatest double bills -- in a bar -- of all time: XTC opening for the Police for about $5) PS Eno has a new CD out -- it's called by JAMES! - -----Original Message----- From: Will Frechette > I was a Police fanatic and I thought everything they did was fantastic, >saw them quite a few times. They were my faves untill Sting got a big head >and left. Andy Sommmers is fantastic and so was Stew Copeland. I have the >Roxanne badge picture disc. > > Will > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 23:15:27 EST From: Gal410@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] sartorial comments & gin martinis Mark, I enjoyed reading the interview. Can't wait to read part two! Heidi - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 23:28:52 EST From: LizzieJim@aol.com Subject: PRIVATE: [AVALON] It's a girl!! I'd like to also join but after I see Bryan this Thursday. How do you I about it? Janeen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 23:32:05 -0500 From: Noam Bronstein Subject: Re: [AVALON] George Michael takes a cue from Bryan Ferry My musical highlight of the year (so far) was taking a 3-hour cruise in a catamaran along the west coast of Barbados, and the 20-something crew had The Police' greatest hits cranking out of some really fine sounding stereo they had installed in the boat. What amazed me was how well these songs stand up, they really don't sound dated at all - esp the old stuff from Outlandos and Regatta. - -Noam Will Frechette wrote: > I was a Police fanatic and I thought everything they did was fantastic, > saw them quite a few times. They were my faves untill Sting got a big head > and left. Andy Sommmers is fantastic and so was Stew Copeland. I have the > Roxanne badge picture disc. > > Will > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Noam Bronstein > > > >Richard Swift wrote: > > >...pleasing version of The Police's "Roxanne" - a great song but not one > > >I would personally single out as 'a song of the century', if that is what > the > > album >proves to be about. Richard > > > > Hmmm.. my sister and I were talking about that song last night... > catchier > > than anything from XTC or The Clash, definitely more palatable than 'God > Save > > The Queen'. Maybe not a song of the century, but I think (from a North > > American perspective) "Roxanne" was probably the leading song of the > second > > "British Invasion"... anyone have a differing memory of this period? > > > > -Noam > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 23:55:32 -0500 From: Noam Bronstein Subject: Re: [AVALON] If I Didn't Care Richard, I try hard not to be a shit disturber, but I really don't agree with your laments over Bryan. Frankly, who cares how many records he sells? As Neil Young once said, "I've sold a lot of records. I don't need to sell any more records." This is not to justify a lacklustre output... but it really is the artist's decision. We all know record sales mean squat - it's a reflection of what the youth are buying, and that's about it. Many of the great songwriters of our time have toiled in anonymity. Bryan Ferry isn't going to attract 14-year olds anymore, and so be it. He's getting older, and he's slowing down. SO WHAT. I for one don't need to watch a man in his fifties blitzed out on amphetamines as some form of inspiration. We all have learned over the years to slow down. The youth rebel rock'n'roll hope-i-die-before-i-get-old schtick is a pile of garbage and we all know it. Is BF 'capable of giving us more'? Maybe, but who are we to say. Who are we to judge what he should and shouldn't be doing. He's given us a lot, that's all I know. He probably wants to spend his time doing other things. As for his record company, well, sure they could probably 'make him a star' again, but it's someone else's turn, surely. And that's how it should be. Wow, please excuse, people.. while I step down off the soapbox. : ) I just think we oughta respect evolution and maturity, and let the past be a memory, not a mirror. cheers, Noam . Richard Swift wrote: > Rob - > > Another eloquent message from someone on the list who expresses precisely > what I feel about Bryan and saves me the bother! And not "eloquent" in any > sycophantic sense - eloquent because you sum up nicely the craftsmanship > this man has brought to the music business (unparalelled in my opinion too), > the frustration about the long periods with no output and the fears for the > future. That future could be a secure one if Bryan could just get it in > gear and get an album out every 12-18 months. If he'd done that in the > years immediately preceeding this release he'd be in the public eye, have a > committed record company and an album of 1930s covers in the top 5 not > wallowing around at 37. > > I think he can turn it around if he wants to - in that respect he's no > different to anyone else in music who have had lean periods and come back > strong - but it requires change on his part. No-one else can do it for him. > I hope he pulls it off. > > Richard > > PS > > Woolworths in the UK are now - finally - stocking the album. They show it > as new at No. 50 on their in house chart. Had this not been the case I > could have found myself up before a magistrate for some form of violent > outburst when I saw they had in their album chart - on the day of release - > an album from that well known music artist Jim Davidson. Just for once, non > UK Avalonians count yourself lucky that this is a thoroughly home grown > 'performer' who, as far as I'm aware, rarely inflicts himself upon foreign > shores. > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V4 #354 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest