From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V4 #333 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, October 27 1999 Volume 04 : Number 333 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Manzanera-site [Kicki Gustafsson ] Re: [AVALON] A trip to the moon on gossamer wings.. ["Martin Stockman" ] RE: [AVALON] Re : Vinyl ? ["Garratt, Chris" ] SV: [AVALON] A trip to the moon on gossamer wings.. ["Oberon" ] Re: [AVALON] A trip to the moon on gossamer wings.. ["Han Snijders en Wil] [AVALON] Airwaves, Mr Reece ["Russ Feld" ] Re: [AVALON] A trip to the moon on gossamer wings.. [Kicki Gustafsson ] Re: [AVALON] A trip to the moon on gossamer wings.. ["Gregory A. Koetting] [AVALON] The good & the bad ["Victor Hastings" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Manzanera-site >Kicki, > >To the girl with a name almost as weird as mine... >Thank you for ALL the effort you have put into the Avalon site. >I shall have to send something to you soon. > >Best Regards, >Dawne > Thanks, doll. Kicki is short for Kristina. K - --------------------------- Kicki Gustafsson http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG kicki.gustafsson@op.se - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 13:12:41 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] A trip to the moon on gossamer wings.. > 4 girls?? And one that swears Bryan Ferry isn't even sexy? Mefinds it strange > that so many more boys than girls would recognize the sexiness of BF.. And > most of us aren't even gay! ;-) > > Noam This is an interesting thread. My regard for Ferryana has oft been (mis)interpreted by fairweather friends as a latent homo-erotic interest in the man. Much as Bryan's hanging out with a gay crowd - the Anthony Price of Love set - left commentators spreading similar innuendo about him in the 70s. I think he, and I - and countless Avalonions -, relate to that sense of "other-ness" (his phrase) that outsiders feel, that certain sexual or social groups may also feel from time to time. Any passion - for food, wine, a girl, a boy, a painting,- has a sensual element. I am, quite peversely I agree, absurdly interested in the minutae of Ferry's couture ; the knot, say, with which he chooses to tie his scarf. It's crazy, of course, but not homo-eroticism. I'm sure Gregory and Angel, to name but two treasured Avalonions, may have an opinion on this. Perhaps I've misunderstood what Heather's trying to say but I can't see how anyone can fail to find an eroticism in the music. The lush arrangements, the tenderness of the vocals, the (sometimes thwarted) passion of the lyrics, the persistent references to games of domination and submission. A bedroom tape ... Sensation Chain Reaction While my heart is still beating This Island Earth Lover You go to my head Beauty Queen Your Painted Smile Sunset Always Unknowing Windswept I'm in the mood for love Bete Noire Play that and see if your mind's still on art history ! M - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 07:27:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Heather Marie Propes Subject: Re: [AVALON] VU+political systems Perhaps. And perhaps the reason I did that is because you began the whole Oingo Boingo thread by citing a song whose lyrics could only be described vicious and cruel, in its descriptions of liberals. Terms like "whiner," or "middle class socialist brat whose mouth is bigger than his entire brain" are the kind of personal insults I am extremely careful to avoid in a political argument, as I think I have demonstrated until now with you. But when you referred to that song, and then Brian Folks immediately posted it for the world to see, and then you thanked him for posting such a song, you endorsed those lyrics, and therefore Danny Elfman's whole attitude and all of the personal insults in that song. It put me on the defensive. In fact it made me pretty passionately angry. Heather On Tue, 26 Oct 1999, Dawne A. Streutker wrote: > Heather, > I think the probelm stems from the fact that you made generalisations of > those of us who find Danny entertaining... like we are all meatheads > because we watching Bugs bunny instead of Wim Wenders at age 5??? Or > that that is the ONLY thing we can appreciate?? How elitist and > snobbish. Like I said before.... I think it is fair game to rag on the > artist, but to rag on the fans, saying, in essence, that we are idiots > weaned on cartoons is ridiculous. > > Dawne > > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 07:30:14 -0500 (CDT) From: Heather Marie Propes Subject: Re: [AVALON] A Thought ...and to you Heather. On Tue, 26 Oct 1999, Decophile wrote: > >> BTW, I always thought Venus in Furs was kind of sexy. > >> > >Me too! It's written about Edie Sedgewick, the famous East Coast debutante > >who was ruined by the Warhol scene. > > I didn`t know that. I just figured it was a sort of homage to Masoch`s book. Well that's what I read. By the way, are you talking about that 50's documentary book, "The Velvet Underground" that covered the S&M scene? I have an original copy of that book. Never read it though. Heather - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 13:31:26 +0100 From: andrew.langley@bt.com Subject: RE: [AVALON] A trip to the moon on gossamer wings.. Well I am gay and I don't find the man sexually attractive. However as a teenager he was my idol, my hero, the master of cool, he still is. This is why, I suspect, the guys think he should be sexually desirable. I wanted to be like him, not 'with' him. And as Martin says, the music is sexy, erotic, whatever you want to call it. Regards Andy Langley > > 4 girls?? And one that swears Bryan Ferry isn't even sexy? Mefinds it > strange > > that so many more boys than girls would recognize the sexiness of BF.. > And > > most of us aren't even gay! ;-) > > > > Noam > > This is an interesting thread. > > My regard for Ferryana has oft been (mis)interpreted by fairweather > friends > as a latent homo-erotic interest in the man. Much as Bryan's hanging out > with a gay crowd - the Anthony Price of Love set - left commentators > spreading similar innuendo about him in the 70s. I think he, and I - and > countless Avalonions -, relate to that sense of "other-ness" (his phrase) > that outsiders feel, that certain sexual or social groups may also feel > from > time to time. Any passion - for food, wine, a girl, a boy, a painting,- > has > a sensual element. I am, quite peversely I agree, absurdly interested in > the > minutae of Ferry's couture ; the knot, say, with which he chooses to tie > his scarf. It's crazy, of course, but not homo-eroticism. I'm sure Gregory > and Angel, to name but two treasured Avalonions, may have an opinion on > this. > > Perhaps I've misunderstood what Heather's trying to say but I can't see > how > anyone can fail to find an eroticism in the music. The lush arrangements, > the tenderness of the vocals, the (sometimes thwarted) passion of the > lyrics, the persistent references to games of domination and submission. > > A bedroom tape ... > > Sensation > Chain Reaction > While my heart is still beating > This Island Earth > Lover > You go to my head > Beauty Queen > Your Painted Smile > Sunset > Always Unknowing > Windswept > I'm in the mood for love > Bete Noire > > Play that and see if your mind's still on art history ! > > M > > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 08:38:09 -0400 From: "Angel Colon" Subject: Re: [AVALON] A trip to the moon on gossamer wings.. Actually, Bryan would never really be my type. It was always the sense of style as substance and the effortlessly classy music that appealed to me with both Roxy Music and Bryan's solo work. And as far as sex music is concerned, I tend to lean more toward The Thrill of It All and the Chosen One. I am a bit more...aggressive in carnal matters! Angel, Angel Eyes. - -----Original Message----- From: Martin Stockman To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] A trip to the moon on gossamer wings.. > >My regard for Ferryana has oft been (mis)interpreted by fairweather friends >as a latent homo-erotic interest in the man. Much as Bryan's hanging out >with a gay crowd - the Anthony Price of Love set - left commentators >spreading similar innuendo about him in the 70s. . I'm sure Gregory >and Angel, to name but two treasured Avalonions, may have an opinion on >this. > > >A bedroom tape ... > >> >Play that and see if your mind's still on art history ! > >M > >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 07:43:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Heather Marie Propes Subject: Re: [AVALON] A trip to the moon on gossamer wings.. On Wed, 27 Oct 1999, Martin Stockman wrote: > Perhaps I've misunderstood what Heather's trying to say but I can't see how > anyone can fail to find an eroticism in the music. The lush arrangements, > the tenderness of the vocals, the (sometimes thwarted) passion of the > lyrics, the persistent references to games of domination and submission. I could see how that could be considered sexy by lots of people! Men and women alike! And I consider it stylish, elegant, tasteful, beautiful, but it's as if it's too tasteful, too perfect. I know I'm going to get laughed out of the water for this, but there's nothing very rough or aggressive about it. It's all very delicate and tasteful. I think things need to be a bit tacky to be sexy... > > A bedroom tape ... > > Sensation > Chain Reaction > While my heart is still beating > This Island Earth > Lover > You go to my head > Beauty Queen > Your Painted Smile > Sunset > Always Unknowing > Windswept > I'm in the mood for love > Bete Noire > > Play that and see if your mind's still on art history ! > OK, and then you try mine (it's T-Rex, whose music I consider VERY sexy): Mambo Sun Ride a White Swan Jeepster Motivator Get It On Lean Woman Blues Planet Queen Jewel Planet Queen Mystic Lady Rabbit Fighter Heather > > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 13:49:34 +0100 From: andrew.langley@bt.com Subject: [AVALON] Applause Looking through a few concert vids last night it occurred to me: will those of us going to one of the concerts really be able to contain ourselves to a polite ripple of applause that the music and string quartet demands? Really we want to jump up and down and scream and sing along!! ROXY.....ROXY......ROXY.......ROXY.... Regards Andy Langley - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 09:16:36 EDT From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Mr Panty Collector In a message dated 10/26/1999 6:14:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu writes: << Well, he's ok, in a schmaltzy kind of way... Heather > > > Not a Tom Jones fan then, eh? > >> Saw him live several years ago in an outdoor venue on one of the hottest days of the year and the man was spectacular. A tremendous performer. Made a convert out of me. Arnie - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 09:16:37 EDT From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] ATGB Okay. I've listened to ATGB several times now and after the firestorm here on the list, I'm glad to say that, IMHO, it doesn't suck. Most of it is quite charming and I expect that I'll like it more than Taxi, which never did anything for me. The most intriguing track, however, is "I'm In The Mood For Love," which sounds like a Bete Noire session filtered through the Taxi sensibility. The arrangements are so spare and Ferry's voice is so prominent that the difference between this and his usual solo output is 180 degrees. I do have concerns about the Maestro's voice, however. Is that an affectation for this project only or is that raspy breathy kind of thing that he's doing all that he's capable of now? God, I hope not. If a Roxy reunion were truly in the works I don't think he could belt out "The Thrill Of It All" or "Mother of Pearl" with that "broken" voice. Also, while this record is unusual and entertaining I have to admit that I would be apprehensive about going to the concert to see this performed and nothing else. I like my concerts to be events, with momentum, even drama and I don't know how he can string these songs together and present them in some way that's not a music conservatory recital. I'm not going to be able to catch the tour so those of you who see it can tell me how dead wrong I am. Played it the other day with my kids in the car and my five year old daughter looked at me and said, plaintively, "This is a bunch of love songs," and reached for the eject button. She prefers "Enter Sandman" by Metallica. She'll learn. Arnie - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 09:44:24 -0400 From: jspellman Subject: Re: [AVALON] Mr Panty Collector ASchulberg@aol.com wrote: > << Well, he's ok, in a schmaltzy kind of way... > > Heather > > > > > Not a Tom Jones fan then, eh? > > >> > > Saw him live several years ago in an outdoor venue on one of the hottest days > of the year and the man was spectacular. A tremendous performer. Made a > convert out of me. I've got a few of his old albums. Whenever I'm really down I throw on his cover of the Archies "Sugar, Sugar" and it picks me back up! You are my candy Giiirrl! Jim ps - saw him on TV a few years back on Sandra Berhart special in her living room, did a cover of EMF's "Unbelievable" and it was. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 15:37:05 +0100 From: "Garratt, Chris" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re : Vinyl ? Oops ... sorry. Just double checked ...what I thought was a vinyl album cover turned out to be just a 12 inch poster of the cover in a transparent plastic album cover !! I shall wear white socks to work for the rest of the week as penance. > ---------- > From: Noam Bronstein[SMTP:wishinvain@earthlink.net] > Reply To: avalon@smoe.org > Sent: 27 October 1999 02:38 > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re : Vinyl ? > > "Garratt, Chris" wrote: > Saw a vinyl copy in HMV Manchester yesterday. > > Manchester! 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Love, Bryan > ---------- > From: Heather Marie Propes[SMTP:asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu] > Reply To: avalon@smoe.org > Sent: 27 October 1999 13:43 > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] A trip to the moon on gossamer wings.. > > On Wed, 27 Oct 1999, Martin Stockman wrote: > > > Perhaps I've misunderstood what Heather's trying to say but I can't see > how > > anyone can fail to find an eroticism in the music. The lush > arrangements, > > the tenderness of the vocals, the (sometimes thwarted) passion of the > > lyrics, the persistent references to games of domination and submission. > > I could see how that could be considered sexy by lots of people! Men and > women alike! And I consider it stylish, elegant, tasteful, beautiful, but > it's as if it's too tasteful, too perfect. I know I'm going to get laughed > out of the water for this, but there's nothing very rough or aggressive > about it. It's all very delicate and tasteful. I think things need to be a > bit tacky to be sexy... > > > > > A bedroom tape ... > > > > Sensation > > Chain Reaction > > While my heart is still beating > > This Island Earth > > Lover > > You go to my head > > Beauty Queen > > Your Painted Smile > > Sunset > > Always Unknowing > > Windswept > > I'm in the mood for love > > Bete Noire > > > > Play that and see if your mind's still on art history ! > > > > OK, and then you try mine (it's T-Rex, whose music I consider VERY sexy): > > Mambo Sun > Ride a White Swan > Jeepster > Motivator > Get It On > Lean Woman Blues > Planet Queen > Jewel > Planet Queen > Mystic Lady > Rabbit Fighter > > Heather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------- > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 07:58:19 -0700 From: Eric Gregory Subject: RE: [AVALON] A trip to the moon on gossamer wings.. #1: "venus in furs" has nothing to do with the book "the velvet undeground"...in fact, reed claims to have never even read the book, just dug the phrase. & if you've ever even glanced at the book, it's obvious there's nothing titillating or outre about it at all. #2: T rex is superb sex music. it grooves, rolls & slinks....this is what most people & animals do when sexing. i dig roxy but i'd rather schtup to bolan 10 times outta 10. ______________________________________________ Eric S. Gregory IVR Assistant egregory@standard.com (503) 321-8503 ____________________________________________ - -----Original Message----- From: Jocelyn Fiske [mailto:Jocelyn.Fiske@greyeu.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 7:44 AM To: 'avalon@smoe.org' Subject: RE: [AVALON] A trip to the moon on gossamer wings.. An unread original copy of "The Velvet Underground and sex to T Rex? Just how the hell DID you get pregnant Heather? Love, Bryan > ---------- > From: Heather Marie Propes[SMTP:asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu] > Reply To: avalon@smoe.org > Sent: 27 October 1999 13:43 > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] A trip to the moon on gossamer wings.. > > On Wed, 27 Oct 1999, Martin Stockman wrote: > > > Perhaps I've misunderstood what Heather's trying to say but I can't see > how > > anyone can fail to find an eroticism in the music. The lush > arrangements, > > the tenderness of the vocals, the (sometimes thwarted) passion of the > > lyrics, the persistent references to games of domination and submission. > > I could see how that could be considered sexy by lots of people! Men and > women alike! And I consider it stylish, elegant, tasteful, beautiful, but > it's as if it's too tasteful, too perfect. I know I'm going to get laughed > out of the water for this, but there's nothing very rough or aggressive > about it. It's all very delicate and tasteful. I think things need to be a > bit tacky to be sexy... > > > > > A bedroom tape ... > > > > Sensation > > Chain Reaction > > While my heart is still beating > > This Island Earth > > Lover > > You go to my head > > Beauty Queen > > Your Painted Smile > > Sunset > > Always Unknowing > > Windswept > > I'm in the mood for love > > Bete Noire > > > > Play that and see if your mind's still on art history ! > > > > OK, and then you try mine (it's T-Rex, whose music I consider VERY sexy): > > Mambo Sun > Ride a White Swan > Jeepster > Motivator > Get It On > Lean Woman Blues > Planet Queen > Jewel > Planet Queen > Mystic Lady > Rabbit Fighter > > Heather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------- > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:10:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] A trip to the moon on gossamer wings.. On Wed, 27 Oct 1999, Martin Stockman wrote: > Perhaps I've misunderstood what Heather's trying to say but I can't see how > anyone can fail to find an eroticism in the music. The lush arrangements, > the tenderness of the vocals, the (sometimes thwarted) passion of the > lyrics, the persistent references to games of domination and submission. On Wed, 27 Oct 1999, Heather Marie Propes wrote: > I could see how that could be considered sexy by lots of people! Men and > women alike! And I consider it stylish, elegant, tasteful, beautiful, but > it's as if it's too tasteful, too perfect. I know I'm going to get laughed > out of the water for this, but there's nothing very rough or aggressive > about it. It's all very delicate and tasteful. I think things need to be a > bit tacky to be sexy... And there isn't even the barest whiff of tackiness in Mr. Ferry's body of work? I think that seeing it only as "tasteful" and "perfect" greatly short-changes him and his efforts over the years. From the beginning his aping of high society but with a jaundiced eye and a wink to those of us in the know has been the small but significant mar on the smooth surface of his persona. What could be more tacky than this grasping at the high life, however ironic, especially in the context of an extremely class conscious culture? The fact that Ferry nows moves in these circles is the ultimate irony, no? And if that metaphysical element doesn't move you, well, c'mon, the white socks are definitely tacky enough all on their own. With respect to not finding the music sexy, well, I'm firmly in Martin's camp on this one. Pick yourselves up off the floor, y'all. While Heather's requirements of "rough" "aggressive" and/or "tacky" are certainly elements of personal preference, I'd say that for many of us, sexual encounters can run a gamut from Heather's descriptions to Martin's (and there are certainly more, uh, forceful offerings in the Ferry canon, no?). Personally what I find so appealing about the best of Ferry's work, both solo and with Roxy, is the overwhelming undercurrent of melancholy. It's not always my own personal preference in every, ahem, situation, but sometimes that bittersweet feeling, that sense of loss even within the fullness of the moment, that tinge of unrequited love strikes just the right chord. As does that ironic detachment of his earlier stuff--since irony is just a cover for vulnerability, no? Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 16:31:11 +0100 From: "Johnny Reece" Subject: [AVALON] Roxy & T.Rex & Ferry Roxy/Ferry & T. Rex with the sexiest & best Music ? I knew this List was cool - but that's the most accurate thing i've ever heard IMHO. The ultimate sexiest Album : Mambo Sun, Your Painted Smile, Get It On, Windswept, Raw Ramp, Sentimental Fool, Ballrooms Of Mars, True To Life, Baby Strange, Beauty Queen, By The Light Of The Magical Moon, Boys And Girls. I could go on, but I'd better not. BTW I may not be the biggest VU fan, but 'Venus And Furs' really is superb. Funny how quite a few of us have immediately taken to IITMFL from ATGB - easily the best track, I feel... Johnny Reece... - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 17:20:18 +0200 From: "Oberon" Subject: SV: [AVALON] A trip to the moon on gossamer wings.. hi hi hi.... count me in on that one! There's a certain air of desolation to that song which really "turns me on". That one and "Don't stop the dance" which produces a twisted kind of longing in me. No one has ever written such a radiant vocal meldoy as that. Ferry never aroused any homo-erotic emotions with me, but his music is laden with true masculine sex-energy. No doubt about it. If anyone is interested, there's an English experimental group called COIL (has collaborated with both Gavin Friday and Marc Almond) which has really explored homo-eroticism in music and pushed it to the limit. It has a very heavy surreal and magical atmosphere, and makes you think of the film Naked Lunch, the book "Cities of the Red Night" by William Burroughs, De Sade, William Blake and ancient Roman and Greek sexual decadence. The Boy on the checkout, said have a restless day.... Oberon - -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: Angel Colon Til: avalon@smoe.org Dato: 27. oktober 1999 14:38 Emne: Re: [AVALON] A trip to the moon on gossamer wings.. > >And as far as sex music is concerned, I tend to lean more toward (...) and the Chosen One. I am a bit more...aggressive in carnal >matters! > >Angel, Angel Eyes. >-----Original Message----- - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 17:20:18 +0200 From: "Oberon" Subject: SV: [AVALON] A trip to the moon on gossamer wings.. hi hi hi.... count me in on that one! There's a certain air of desolation to that song which really "turns me on". That one and "Don't stop the dance" which produces a twisted kind of longing in me. No one has ever written such a radiant vocal meldoy as that. Ferry never aroused any homo-erotic emotions with me, but his music is laden with true masculine sex-energy. No doubt about it. If anyone is interested, there's an English experimental group called COIL (has collaborated with both Gavin Friday and Marc Almond) which has really explored homo-eroticism in music and pushed it to the limit. It has a very heavy surreal and magical atmosphere, and makes you think of the film Naked Lunch, the book "Cities of the Red Night" by William Burroughs, De Sade, William Blake and ancient Roman and Greek sexual decadence. The Boy on the checkout, said have a restless day.... Oberon - -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: Angel Colon Til: avalon@smoe.org Dato: 27. oktober 1999 14:38 Emne: Re: [AVALON] A trip to the moon on gossamer wings.. > >And as far as sex music is concerned, I tend to lean more toward (...) and the Chosen One. I am a bit more...aggressive in carnal >matters! > >Angel, Angel Eyes. >-----Original Message----- - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 08:30:13 -0700 From: Eric Gregory Subject: RE: [AVALON] Roxy & T.Rex & Ferry gotta say "all i want is you" is a great song to get it on to. ______________________________________________ Eric S. Gregory IVR Assistant egregory@standard.com (503) 321-8503 ____________________________________________ - -----Original Message----- From: Johnny Reece [mailto:johnny.reece@virgin.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 8:31 AM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Roxy & T.Rex & Ferry Roxy/Ferry & T. Rex with the sexiest & best Music ? I knew this List was cool - but that's the most accurate thing i've ever heard IMHO. The ultimate sexiest Album : Mambo Sun, Your Painted Smile, Get It On, Windswept, Raw Ramp, Sentimental Fool, Ballrooms Of Mars, True To Life, Baby Strange, Beauty Queen, By The Light Of The Magical Moon, Boys And Girls. I could go on, but I'd better not. BTW I may not be the biggest VU fan, but 'Venus And Furs' really is superb. Funny how quite a few of us have immediately taken to IITMFL from ATGB - easily the best track, I feel... Johnny Reece... - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 18:15:20 +0200 From: "Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest" Subject: Re: [AVALON] A trip to the moon on gossamer wings.. Heather wrote: I think things need to be a bit tacky to be sexy... >> A bedroom tape ...Rabbit Fighter Have you ever see a rabbit 'fight' ? I prefer the more delicate variation! Han - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 17:07:52 BST From: "Russ Feld" Subject: [AVALON] Airwaves, Mr Reece Knew I'd find you here, Reecemeister. Which particular Monsieur Ferry or Roxy Music track will adorn your last Show on MNO tonight, then ? I have listened for the last 4 Months - and you have never, ever, omitted to play one. Something from the newie, perhaps ? Myself and Sandy (er indoors) will miss ya - looking forward to the Luxy Shows (due Nov ?)though. Ta for the Roy Buchanan track, much appreciated. Nice list, all, going to check the Site of Kicki now. Best Regards, Russ... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 18:11:24 +0200 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] A trip to the moon on gossamer wings.. I think Ferry's sexy because he's so in-your-face-masculine. Tall, dark, broad shoulders, lean hips...*yummy, yummy, yummy*. As for sexiest songs: Definetely Both Ends Burning, Love is the Drug, Let's Stick Together, Street Life, Amazona and Do The Strand (from Viva!). There are of course other numbers that are romanic and others that are more sensual, but the above mentioned are sexy. IMHO. Kicki G - ------------------------ Kicki Gustafsson, Östersunds-Posten 063-16 16 51 http://www.op.se http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (privat hemsida) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 09:23:42 PDT From: "Chris Sigetti" Subject: Re: [AVALON] A trip to the moon on gossamer wings.. > >A bedroom tape ... > >Sensation >Chain Reaction >While my heart is still beating >This Island Earth >Lover >You go to my head >Beauty Queen >Your Painted Smile >Sunset >Always Unknowing >Windswept >I'm in the mood for love >Bete Noire > >Play that and see if your mind's still on art history ! > >M I'd add Avalon and Don't Stop the Dance, but I'm sure there are dozens that fit this list. Chris (aka Cyro) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 17:30:11 +0100 From: "Johnny Reece" Subject: [AVALON] Russ & Sandy Hello Russ, nice to hear from you. As it's the last one tonight, it will be a little extra, and will be 'Dream Home' and the newie 'I'm In The Mood For Love'. If you wish to Mail the Progs directly, mail to album.zone@virgin.net Cheers, Reecey... - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 12:45:40 -0400 From: "Gregory A. Koetting" Subject: Re: [AVALON] A trip to the moon on gossamer wings.. First of all, I really like your selections on that bedroom tape of yours... :-D I don't think that following Ferry's 'couture' to the 'n'th degree speaks at all about one's sexual preference. I, too, would like to emulate Mr. Ferry's suave persona but I just can't seem to do it. Maybe it's because I'm only 5'9." But even if I could- and do it successfully, I think I'd appear 'less' gay to be honest. But I don't even think that I appear gay in the tired stereotypical model. I can, however, play camp with the best of 'em, though... I relate to Bryan Ferry's work as a gay man because of his detatched-ness; his not being a part of any bland majority. Certainly his romantic side is unusually resonant with my own ideas of romance, and maybe if only because in the gay world it's difficult to find a long term mate it makes his music sound all the more sweet. I love Ferry's tender works the best and I find that when I'm in that 'mood,' I like songs like the following: Spin Me Round Always Unknowing My Only Love (live, please) True to Life Sunset Sentimental Fool Slave to Love Help Me Make It Through The Night When She Walks In The Room I wouldn't make a tape with only Ferry songs- I'd have to mix in a good few David Sylvian songs.. lemme say- David Sylvian can sing me a lullaby anytime he wants... ;) greggie/atlanta "couldn't leave you if I tried.." david sylvian "Thalheim" 1999 Martin Stockman wrote: > > 4 girls?? And one that swears Bryan Ferry isn't even sexy? Mefinds it strange > > that so many more boys than girls would recognize the sexiness of BF.. And > > most of us aren't even gay! ;-) > > > > Noam > > This is an interesting thread. > > My regard for Ferryana has oft been (mis)interpreted by fairweather friends > as a latent homo-erotic interest in the man. Much as Bryan's hanging out > with a gay crowd - the Anthony Price of Love set - left commentators > spreading similar innuendo about him in the 70s. I think he, and I - and > countless Avalonions -, relate to that sense of "other-ness" (his phrase) > that outsiders feel, that certain sexual or social groups may also feel from > time to time. Any passion - for food, wine, a girl, a boy, a painting,- has > a sensual element. I am, quite peversely I agree, absurdly interested in the > minutae of Ferry's couture ; the knot, say, with which he chooses to tie > his scarf. It's crazy, of course, but not homo-eroticism. I'm sure Gregory > and Angel, to name but two treasured Avalonions, may have an opinion on > this. > > Perhaps I've misunderstood what Heather's trying to say but I can't see how > anyone can fail to find an eroticism in the music. The lush arrangements, > the tenderness of the vocals, the (sometimes thwarted) passion of the > lyrics, the persistent references to games of domination and submission. > > A bedroom tape ... > > Sensation > Chain Reaction > While my heart is still beating > This Island Earth > Lover > You go to my head > Beauty Queen > Your Painted Smile > Sunset > Always Unknowing > Windswept > I'm in the mood for love > Bete Noire > > Play that and see if your mind's still on art history ! > > M > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:44:27 -0500 From: "Victor Hastings" Subject: [AVALON] The good & the bad i suppose we're all doomed to hear every member's take on the new album, so here's my quick two cents: best feature: ferry's arrangements. i've always loved his touches on the rock albums but he did a great job setting up the instrumentalists on this one. i have two ella fitzgerald 'songbook' collections in which she performs the works of cole porter and the gershwins. great stuff made better by the arrangements of nelson riddle, who i think is the best arranger of poular music in the 20th century. and ferry's arrangements compare quite favorably with riddle's. worst feature: ferry's voice. even my wife, who's not a fan, was shocked at how breathy and out of tune he sounds. he sounded better on NetAid than he did on ATGB. i hope the voice hasn't finally given out. still, i'm way more excited about the eno collaboration than i am about ATGB. i already have enough merini & cigar music in my collection. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:43:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Heather Marie Propes Subject: Re: [AVALON] A trip to the moon on gossamer wings.. On Wed, 27 Oct 1999, Colleen Matan wrote: > And there isn't even the barest whiff of tackiness in Mr. Ferry's body of > work? I think that seeing it only as "tasteful" and "perfect" greatly > short-changes him and his efforts over the years. From the beginning his > aping of high society but with a jaundiced eye and a wink to those of us > in the know has been the small but significant mar on the smooth surface > of his persona. What could be more tacky than this grasping at the high > life, however ironic, especially in the context of an extremely class > conscious culture? The fact that Ferry nows moves in these circles is the > ultimate irony, no? Well put, and perhaps I over-generalized when I claimed that Ferry was "merely" tasteful. But his tackiness is, as you mention, the tackiness of a man who might grasp at an opportunity to run in elite circles, rather than a man who might grasp at, put simply and crassly, women. Ferry's tackiness is definitely there. It's charming. He has always reminded me of the young Parisian flaneur, maybe an Englishman abroad, spending his evening at the Moulin Rouge with the likes of Toulouse-Lautrec - wild evenings with the dancers, but he always leaves them in the hopes of winning a rich society woman. Too much intrigue to be sexy! What is sexy (a mon avis) is the kind of man who doesn't care about a woman's social status, but just loves, no, can't quite resist, women, who can't think of anything but the woman when in a sexual situation. > With respect to not finding the music sexy, well, I'm firmly in Martin's > camp on this one. Pick yourselves up off the floor, y'all. While > Heather's requirements of "rough" "aggressive" and/or "tacky" are > certainly elements of personal preference, I'd say that for many of us, > sexual encounters can run a gamut from Heather's descriptions to Martin's > (and there are certainly more, uh, forceful offerings in the Ferry canon, > no?). Well, I still maintain that the music is spiritual and evocative. It makes me feel intensely, but not in a sexual way, because it also makes me think. Maybe it's a question of form. T-Rex's music is not intellectual. It makes me think very little, but it does groove, so maybe it's the rythm. I don't know. But the more I write about this, the more I agree with D.H. Lawrence that sex is something that cannot be known through words. Heather - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V4 #333 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest