From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V4 #327 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Sunday, October 24 1999 Volume 04 : Number 327 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] VU ["David Squires" ] Re: [AVALON] A Thought ["gareth mc ginley" ] Re: [AVALON] The Tour ["gareth mc ginley" ] Re: [AVALON] atgb ["gareth mc ginley" ] [AVALON] ATGB [Kicki Gustafsson ] [AVALON] VU+political systems [axelbartoli@cheerful.com] Re: [AVALON] The Tempest (in a teapot) [Kicki Gustafsson ] [AVALON] politics, amazon.com, and the rest of the Avalonian fare [Collee] [AVALON] Croydon ["David Squires" ] Re: [AVALON] A Thought ...and to you Heather. ["Will Frechette" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry Climbs the Charts!!! [Brian Folks ] Re: [AVALON] A Thought ...and to you Heather. ["Dawne A. Streutker" ] Re: [AVALON] The Tempest (in a teapot) [Kicki Gustafsson ] Re: [AVALON] politics, amazon.com, and the rest of the Avalonian fare ["D] Re: [AVALON] VU+political systems [Brian Folks ] Re: [AVALON] Culture+politics ["Decophile" ] Re: [AVALON] CAN ANYONE TELL ME SOMETHING OF THIS BRYAN FERRY SONG, PLEASE? [David Neuhaus Subject: Re: [AVALON] VU On 23 Oct 99, at 22:29, Heather wrote: > And one came from Germany. This is all true, but I don't think it would > have come out of them had they not been in the disgustly, gloriously > overcrowded capitalist madness of New York. No argument on this point. I can't see the VU coming out of 1960's Swansea! David - -- David Squires Wimbotsham Norfolk UK - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 05:29:53 PDT From: "gareth mc ginley" Subject: Re: [AVALON] A Thought >the lyrics from Mamouma uninspired or silly. For example, "where do we go >from here" just doesn't mean much for me, and I agree with that critic who >wrote that "your perfumed sigh" is a repulsive image. > Heather, I have to disagree on this point. As Ferry stated in one of the online interviews recently his lyrics are full of double entendres and the Mamouna lyrics, in particular, were loaded with these. But the underlying theme was in relation to the decline of his career. "Where do we go from here" is a reference to a relationship that has gone stale, but also a reference to the lack of direction in his career, or alternatively poses the question "your place or mine?". He returns to this continously with the repeated phrase "Easing out of time" (on Which Way to Turn), and again with "Tick, tick, time, and time is money" (on Gemini Moon). It's fair to categoise "Your perfumed sigh" as a repulsive image but seediness is a core element in all Ferry's work. Take a look at the videos of "I Put A Spell On You", "Your Painted Smile" and "Mamouna" and you can see that this type of seediness was something that Ferry wa very much striving for at this point. Gareth ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 05:45:05 PDT From: "gareth mc ginley" Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Tour >I have got tickets for Liverpool, Sheffield, London (Possibly), Glasgow & >Newcastle. >Who's all going to these shows??? maybe we can meet. Maybe we can share >transport if required. > >John O'Brien > John, I've got tickets for the Glasgow and Newcastle shows. I'd love to make the London date as well but clashing exam dates/ eternal student poverty don't permit it. Alex - as a fellow student you really should try to make these shows regardless of where they are being held. This is costing me quite a considerable amount but I really couldn't care less. How many more chances are we going to get to see the maestro live? You'll regret it if you don't. I'm just trying to compensate somewhat for the misfortune of being born in 1977 when the best Roxy gigs had already taken place. Obviously we can all arrange the specifics later but its a great chance to spend a bit of time together so we should try to book into the same hotels, travel together etc. I'm looking forward to this weekend already. Oh, and if there happens to be any female attendees...well...for financial purposes of course...a shared room would be very suitable. As my Irish friend Mrs. Doyle would say "ya will, ya will, ya will" Gareth ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 06:05:22 PDT From: "gareth mc ginley" Subject: Re: [AVALON] atgb >whatever could be said about atgb or any other bryan ferry production, the >result is always excellent, because such an efficiency in music performance >has never been reached and will never be ( >Luc > Luc, Well said. Gene mentioned that people on this list seem to be giving ATGB unjustified good reviews/ good build ups simply because it's BF, and BF can do no wrong. Well if this is true then I think it is well and truly justified. The mans studio work is of such an impeccably high standard time and time again that I, at least, have complete confidence in every album released. People may think that I would lick his boots but that's not the case. I just prefer to write positive things about him than negative things. And to summarise, so that I don't have to discuss them again, here are my negative feelings on Ferry: 1) For Your Pleasure is overrated as an album 2) Some of the stuff on Manifesto/ Flesh & Blood was pure tripe. 3) Ferry has lost his creative edge over the last few years (possibly as Red mentioned because of family life etc.) 4) Ferry is at an all time confidence low. 5) Dance With Life was shit. 6) The RFH gig was a massive disappointment. 7) The Later with Jools performance last week was poor. Thats all I can think of now. Thankfully most of my opinions on Ferry are positive ones and hopefully this will hold true for the new album which I'll be picking up tomorrow. Gareth ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 15:08:26 +0100 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: [AVALON] ATGB ATGB entered the Swedish chart this week at place 48. :-) /Kicki G - --------------------------- Kicki Gustafsson http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG kicki.gustafsson@op.se - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 10:33:12 -0400 (EDT) From: axelbartoli@cheerful.com Subject: [AVALON] VU+political systems Heather wrote that the Velvet Underground could only have occured in NY because of the political conditions created by capitalism, that the worse the system, the better the culture. Now, not wishing to offend anyone, but never the less wishing to contribute to the debate I would like to ask; why nations such as the former Soviet Union, the Eastern Block, China, half of Africa ....(the list goes on) are/were not hot beds for extreme culture and musical delights that you speak of? I don't live in NY or the States even (middle England, me)but I would guess that things are/were not as harsh politicaly as other notable nations. (Hitlers Germany for example did not stage a cultural revolution, in music at least!) Don't get me wrong, I'm no bourgeoise aristo but neither do I like communism, but I would say that such music could have been created in other places too. Alex. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 16:55:05 +0100 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Tempest (in a teapot) >Thank God that's not the case in Avalonia, where, for the most part, >disagreements are conducted with a lot of style and a minimum of mindless >swearing. And maybe I'm in the minority, but I don't mind it when tempers >flare a bit and passions are running high--that's what this is all about, >isn't it? And nobody really took all that too seriously yesterday, did >they? > >Colleen Of course we didn't! :-) Anyway, although I do like ATGB, it's not a record that I would describe as the best Bryan Ferry has ever done, far from it. But I think it's fun with a record where we can hear him actually enjoying himself - maybe not on all the tracks, but certainly some of them (I have to admit that I feel slightly embarrased when he tries to do Miss Otis regrets...very wobbly vocals...). I know that a lot of you like the subdued style served on Mamouna. My opinion is that when a guy is so subdued that he's almost catatonic, I fail to see anything appealing about him. My husband and I saw Velvet Goldmine yesterday. Have we come to some concensus about the film or can I say that I think it was rather silly? Great perfomance by Ewan McGregor and some nice music, but a very muddled screenplay. And 2 hours long! What's wrong with editing?! Jack Fairy was a hoot and Brian Slade lacked charisma. A very dull day here in Ostersund, Sweden. Gray sky, rain, dark, dreary. Sundayangst all over the place... /Kicki G - --------------------------- Kicki Gustafsson http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG kicki.gustafsson@op.se - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 16:28:56 +0100 From: "David Squires" Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Tempest (in a teapot) On 24 Oct 99, at 16:55, Kicki Gustafsson wrote: > A very dull day here in Ostersund, Sweden. Gray sky, rain, dark, dreary. > Sundayangst all over the place... Same here in Wimbotsham, England and windy with it. Which doesn't quite explain why I just played the wonderful introduction to "Rock of Ages" * over and over, about twelve times in all... Drives the little ones wild! David (*the best bit on that whole record, it has atmosphere, which the rest lacks...) - -- David Squires Wimbotsham Norfolk UK - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 11:47:32 EDT From: JFROXY@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] atgb In a message dated 24/10/99 02:07:48 GMT Daylight Time, ginley71@hotmail.com writes: << 7) The Later with Jools performance last week was poor. >> Yes, and the Netaid performance the week before was embarrassing, loathe to admit it, but I'm afraid BF has lost it, vocally. You now wonder if getting Roxy back together would be a good idea, if he can barely sing the delicate vocals live on these current songs, what chance would he have of belting out some of the more demanding Roxy tracks? Listening to the Wolverhampton show and the "Night of the proms" stuff, his voice is really strong, what has happened to it in such a short time (4 years). Of course I will be rushing out to buy the album tomorrow, by the way, what about the front cover, that photo wasn't taken yesterday was it? but I will only be going to one of his shows (Glasgow, row B), usually I would try and catch 3 or 4, but the thought of traipsing round the UK to catch a show of 30's standards plus a few Roxy/Ferry ballads, which I reckon will only last about an hour and a half, if we're lucky, does not appeal to me any more, must be getting old. JF - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 18:06:32 +0200 From: f2hb@casema.net Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Tempest (in a teapot) ... >But I think it's fun with a record where we can hear him actually enjoying >himself - maybe not on all the tracks, but certainly some of them (I have >to admit that I feel slightly embarrased when he tries to do Miss Otis >regrets...very wobbly vocals...). ... > >/Kicki G - ------------------------------ Did you actually had a close listen to "I'm In The Mood For Love"? Excuse me maybe I'm wrong and have bad-ear sunday, but currently to my ears it seems that there's another song wandering trough IITMFL Specially the intro and somewhere the middle and the end refers to "A Kiss Is Just A Kiss". The famous song that Sam played again. The more I listen to Miss Otis, the less wobbly it seems, the same way went for me with Amazing Grace. Frank - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 09:33:39 -0700 From: "Dawne A. Streutker" Subject: Re: [AVALON] VU+political systems Alex, You essentially said what I was thinking and wanting to say, but because Heather is PG now, I do not want to cause strife or upset with and within her psyche...But that does not mean she gets a Pass on saying anything she wants, either ;-) But yes, this is true...NONE of the major communist bloc countries have tremendous cultural fare to offer up to the world...and when they do, the artist usually defects, ie: Misha Barishnikov bailed on his Lovely Country (me and Frank Zappa are fond of Capitalising Stuff in Places you would not expect). Did Tienamen (sp) Square give us any Art or culture?? No, it just gave us a lot of bloodied and Dead students...How DARE they challenge Communism, shame on them!! Let's kill them instead of giving students art scholarships.... Get me right, I AM a capitalist, Danny Elfman's views on the topic match my own (See Oingo Boingo's, "Capitalism.") Best to all, even communists, Dawne - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 18:35:02 +0200 From: "Oberon" Subject: SV: [AVALON] VU+political systems >But yes, this is true...NONE of the major communist bloc countries have >tremendous cultural fare to offer up to the world...> Wrong, they gave us some of the best Classical composers the world has ever seen; Xin Huguang, Rachmaninov, Szymanowski, Shostacovich, Pärt, Gorecki, Artyomov... etc... Not to mention architecture, theatre and sculpures etc... Well, one may not agree with what a lot these things represent, but that change anything about its artistic quality. Ciao, Oberon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 13:39:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: [AVALON] politics, amazon.com, and the rest of the Avalonian fare On Sun, 24 Oct 1999, Oberon wrote: > >But yes, this is true...NONE of the major communist bloc countries have > >tremendous cultural fare to offer up to the world...> > > Wrong, they gave us some of the best Classical composers the world has ever seen; > Xin Huguang, Rachmaninov, Szymanowski, Shostacovich, Pärt, Gorecki, Artyomov... etc... > Not to mention architecture, theatre and sculpures etc... Well, one may not agree with what a lot these things represent, but that change anything about its artistic quality. And not to mention the utterly incandescent poet Wislawa Szymborska. She won the Nobel Prize for Literature in 1996 for a body of work primarily written while Poland was under Communist rule. And there are scads of film-makers from former Eastern bloc countries who made fantastic films (over and above "When Father Was Away On Business"). However it's not just good political system = good art or bad political system = good art or the converse of either/both. All political structures yield varying amounts of gold and dross. With respect to ATGB and Amazon.com: it's now down to #14. But I wouldn't panic--I suspect that its rise and fall on this website says more about the demographics of the Amazon.com clientele than about the potential sales of this album. And Gareth, will you keep us posted re: the roommate search? ;-) Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 19:09:14 +0100 From: "David Squires" Subject: [AVALON] Croydon Sorry if I'm asking for information that I've missed, but does anyone have a number for this venue? Is it the Fairfield Halls? TIA David - -- David Squires Wimbotsham Norfolk UK - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 13:30:12 -0500 From: "Will Frechette" Subject: Re: [AVALON] A Thought ...and to you Heather. This is still my pick for his best. This song should be twenty minutes long. I find it quite descriptive as in two people in a sensual embrace, the scent of perfume ( hopefully some good shit) is strong as you kiss her (or his) neck, the sighing being that whispering of sensual thoughts, or desires. I had to put it on just to see if I was talking out my but...I'm not. Better check that pulse Heather. Will - ----- Original Message ----- From: Heather Marie Buch > > > Heather, I am totally not picking on you, but I am a stickler for > > details.... I think the lyric you mentioned was actually (and in the > > context of the previous phrase it really works), Don't talk to me, Your > > perfume sighs..." Funny, I had always thought that was such a lovely > > lyric... > > > Sure, fair enough, but the mondegreen, or the impression that the song > makes when one hears it without the lyric sheet handy (and I doubt the > average radio listener is going to go rushing off to look at the lyric > sheet) is... "your perfumed sigh," which, I maintain, sounds repulsive. > > > > Heather - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 14:52:56 +0100 From: "Robert Whiteford" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re : A thought---Johnny R. Noam Ferry said in an interview in a glossy mag that he had "badgered" the record company into releasing ATGB on vinyl. Rob - ----- Original Message ----- From: Noam Bronstein To: Sent: 24 October 1999 07:43 Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re : A thought---Johnny R. > >johnny reece wrote: > >am disappointed it's a 'covers' Album - but will of > >course buy both CD and Vinyl, just as I have all the re-masters etc etc - > > Johnny, are you able to confirm that the album will be issued on vinyl? I > haven't seen any announcements at my usual haunts on the web.. > thanks, > Noam > > (sorry if this was already covered, I'm 100 mails behind again and need to > know!!) > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 14:50:35 +0100 From: "Robert Whiteford" Subject: Re: [AVALON] A Thought And the rather worrying end to the lovely Chain Reaction "No sympathy just dedicate it to memory"....."We'll soon be out of time.....running out of time .........running out of time". He does put effort into his lyrics and those made me wonder whether he was giving up especially since they were right at the end of the album. Talking of lyrics does anyone know how many times he has now mentioned "Chained and Bound" in his records ?! I like this seedy side to him - eg the Slave to Love imagery and cover were quite interesting. Rob - ----- Original Message ----- From: gareth mc ginley To: Sent: 24 October 1999 13:29 Subject: Re: [AVALON] A Thought > > > >the lyrics from Mamouma uninspired or silly. For example, "where do we go > >from here" just doesn't mean much for me, and I agree with that critic who > >wrote that "your perfumed sigh" is a repulsive image. > > > > Heather, > > I have to disagree on this point. As Ferry stated in one of the online > interviews recently his lyrics are full of double entendres and the Mamouna > lyrics, in particular, were loaded with these. But the underlying theme was > in relation to the decline of his career. "Where do we go from here" is a > reference to a relationship that has gone stale, but also a reference to the > lack of direction in his career, or alternatively poses the question "your > place or mine?". He returns to this continously with the repeated phrase > "Easing out of time" (on Which Way to Turn), and again with "Tick, tick, > time, and time is money" (on Gemini Moon). > > It's fair to categoise "Your perfumed sigh" as a repulsive image but > seediness is a core element in all Ferry's work. Take a look at the videos > of "I Put A Spell On You", "Your Painted Smile" and "Mamouna" and you can > see that this type of seediness was something that Ferry wa very much > striving for at this point. > > Gareth > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 11:50:11 -0700 From: Brian Folks Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: more mp3s I would have thought that anyone on this list would have bought it just because it had "Bryan Ferry" on the cover. indiedit wrote: > > Hi- > > Given all the differing opinions on ATGB, I'd really like to hear more mp3s > from it before I decide whether to get it. Does anyone have any available, > perhaps to trade for some rarities I have? Please mail me privately if you > do. > > -G. > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 11:53:37 -0700 From: Brian Folks Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry Climbs the Charts!!! But alas, he has already dropped to #15. "Dawne A. Streutker" wrote: > > Good God, Even I am surprised!!!! > > ATGB is up to #7 on Amazon!!! > http://www.amazon.com > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 20:12:59 +0100 From: "Killip family" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Croydon David, I posted the number yesterday, I think, but possibly on Friday....it is: 0181 688 9291. On Friday they said ticket sales would begin tomorrow, 25th. buy on checking I found that sales began yesterday, so don't delay. David - ---------- > From: David Squires > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: [AVALON] Croydon > Date: 24 October 1999 19:09 > > Sorry if I'm asking for information that I've missed, but does anyone have a > number for this venue? Is it the Fairfield Halls? TIA > > David > -- > David Squires > Wimbotsham > Norfolk > UK > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 12:44:01 -0700 From: "Dawne A. Streutker" Subject: Re: [AVALON] A Thought ...and to you Heather. Will (and to Heather Marie), I said it before and now I have checked.... The lyric to Your Painted Smile is as follows...and again, it makes total sense!! ..."Don't talk to me, Your perfume sighs...." HE is bascially saying that his amour does nopt even has to speak...that her perfume is doing the talking...ie: 'your perfume sighs.' I think that is lovely. And yes, the song is WAAAAY too short!!! I would not really find, 'your perfumed sigh' sorta weird anyway, too. Best, Dawne - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 15:38:18 -0400 (EDT) From: axelbartoli@cheerful.com Subject: [AVALON] Culture+politics Veering away from the point of this mailing list but, sorry to offend anybody, I didn't mean that Communist or Fascist regimes did not breed cultural changes and great artists. I appreciate that these nations had an impact. The point that VU came from a capitalist city/nation, did not mean that this was the reason for their success as opposed to 'liberal' nations (e.g. supposidly England). To state that VU could only have come from a city of capitalist excess is not strictly true. Music of quality and cultural change originates anywhere. Perhaps in harsh/surpressive conditions it may be enhanced, but New York? What about our very own band of question? I'm sure all of us think that Roxy Music brought change and influence, and although Bryan Ferry was hardly born with a silver spoon in his mouth, North Eastern England is/was hardly a major area of political hardship! Alex. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 20:39:12 +0100 From: "johnny reece" Subject: [AVALON] RM 'samples' - & France ? I suspect most of us UK Avalonians are waiting for the morning - to rush out to get ATGB... What I'd really like to discover is some RM 'samples' between the tracks - a la what he did with the closing tracks of the Mamouna Album, following the 'Eno' track Wildcat Days - a nice touch, I thought. I doubt it though. Anyone have any details of possible Gigs in France in late Nov/early Dec ? Reecey... - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:46:46 +0100 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] atgb >Yes, and the Netaid performance the week before was embarrassing, loathe to >admit it, but I'm afraid BF has lost it, vocally. You now wonder if getting >Roxy back together would be a good idea, if he can barely sing the delicate >vocals live on these current songs, what chance would he have of belting out >some of the more demanding Roxy tracks? It is strange, isn't it? Too much cocaine? Too much cheesecake too soon? >Of course I will be rushing out to buy the album tomorrow, by the way, what >about the front cover, that photo wasn't taken yesterday was it? Since he appears to have That Hair still intact, it must have been taken some time ago, but don't forget how easy it is to be creative with pictures and computers these days. A think that is the case here. Photoshop 5.0 is my guess. Kicki G - --------------------------- Kicki Gustafsson http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG kicki.gustafsson@op.se - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:52:54 +0100 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Tempest (in a teapot) >... >>But I think it's fun with a record where we can hear him actually enjoying >>himself - maybe not on all the tracks, but certainly some of them (I have >>to admit that I feel slightly embarrased when he tries to do Miss Otis >>regrets...very wobbly vocals...). >... >> >>/Kicki G >Did you actually had a close listen to "I'm In The Mood For Love"? Not one of his best efforts. I don't like this one much, it's too much Taxi/Mamouna for me. > >Excuse me maybe I'm wrong and have bad-ear sunday, but currently >to my ears it seems that there's another song wandering trough IITMFL IITMFL ?? Je ne comprends pas. No one has mentioned Just one of those things yet. I like it! Sweet and funny. Kicki G - --------------------------- Kicki Gustafsson http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG kicki.gustafsson@op.se - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:57:12 +0100 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] A Thought ...and to you Heather. > This is still my pick for his best. This song should be twenty minutes >long. I find it quite descriptive as in two people in a sensual embrace, the >scent of perfume ( hopefully some good shit) is strong as you kiss her (or >his) neck, the sighing being that whispering of sensual thoughts, or >desires. I had to put it on just to see if I was talking out my but...I'm >not. Better check that pulse Heather. Will, you really are sweet! Which perfume do you smell in your mind when you listen to the song? Hopefully not Opium by YSL... /Kicki G - sometimes with Guerlain's Shalimar behind her ear - --------------------------- Kicki Gustafsson http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG kicki.gustafsson@op.se - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 22:00:55 +0100 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] A Thought ...and to you Heather. >Will (and to Heather Marie), > >I said it before and now I have checked.... >The lyric to Your Painted Smile is as follows...and again, >it makes total sense!! > >..."Don't talk to me, Your perfume sighs...." > >HE is bascially saying that his amour does nopt even has to speak...that >her perfume is doing the talking...ie: 'your perfume sighs.' I think >that is lovely. And yes, the song is WAAAAY too short!! But it could also be that her perfume and her pose and her whole attitude is saying to him (Bryan): Don't talk to me. She is turning him down. /Kicki G - --------------------------- Kicki Gustafsson http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG kicki.gustafsson@op.se - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 22:04:56 +0100 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Tempest (in a teapot) > > IITMFL ?? Je ne comprends pas. Sometimes I post to quickly....I of course see what the above means! Sorry everybody. K - --------------------------- Kicki Gustafsson http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG kicki.gustafsson@op.se - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:17:43 +0100 From: "Killip family" Subject: Re: [AVALON] A Thought ...and to you Heather. The live version of YPS on the BBC radio broadcast of the Wolverhampton concert in 1995 (Mamouna tour) is superb. David - ---------- > From: Kicki Gustafsson > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] A Thought ...and to you Heather. > Date: 24 October 1999 22:00 > > >Will (and to Heather Marie), > > > >I said it before and now I have checked.... > >The lyric to Your Painted Smile is as follows...and again, > >it makes total sense!! > > > >..."Don't talk to me, Your perfume sighs...." > > > >HE is bascially saying that his amour does nopt even has to speak...that > >her perfume is doing the talking...ie: 'your perfume sighs.' I think > >that is lovely. And yes, the song is WAAAAY too short!! > > > But it could also be that her perfume and her pose and her whole attitude > is saying to him (Bryan): Don't talk to me. > She is turning him down. > > /Kicki G > > --------------------------- > Kicki Gustafsson > http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG > kicki.gustafsson@op.se > > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:10:46 +0100 From: "Robert Whiteford" Subject: Re: [AVALON] A Thought ...and to you Heather. One of the best reviews said that if Lord Byron made records they would be like Your Painted Smile. It IS short but don't you think that's it's beauty ? Also the way the very last note isn't quite at the pitch you imagine. I can't fault YPS except it wasnt a single - you've got to let it grow on you. ROb - ----- Original Message ----- From: Dawne A. Streutker To: Sent: 24 October 1999 20:44 Subject: Re: [AVALON] A Thought ...and to you Heather. > Will (and to Heather Marie), > > I said it before and now I have checked.... > The lyric to Your Painted Smile is as follows...and again, > it makes total sense!! > > ..."Don't talk to me, Your perfume sighs...." > > HE is bascially saying that his amour does nopt even has to speak...that > her perfume is doing the talking...ie: 'your perfume sighs.' I think > that is lovely. And yes, the song is WAAAAY too short!!! > > I would not really find, 'your perfumed sigh' sorta weird anyway, too. > > Best, > Dawne > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 17:12:02 -0400 From: "Decophile" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re : A thought---Johnny R. - -----Original Message----- From: Noam Bronstein To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Sunday, October 24, 1999 1:45 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re : A thought---Johnny R. >>johnny reece wrote: >>am disappointed it's a 'covers' Album - but will of >>course buy both CD and Vinyl, just as I have all the re-masters etc etc - > >Johnny, are you able to confirm that the album will be issued on vinyl? I >haven't seen any announcements at my usual haunts on the web.. >thanks, >Noam The music store near where I work usually carries vinyl copies of popular releases. I`m not sure if WGTB will be available on vinyl, but if it is, you may have to order it from a store that usually carries such vinyl releases. On a side note, this record store finally got one of those huge "Phonolog" books. It`s that book usually found sitting on the counter of most music stores that list all music still in circulation. It also has a large plastic display with instructions on how to use the book. I happened to notice that the band chosen as the example in none other than our own Roxy Music. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 17:31:17 -0400 From: "indiedit" Subject: [AVALON] Re: Ferry on US TV Does anyone know if BF is planning any US TVappearances / upcoming tapings when he's here? - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 17:38:55 -0400 From: "Decophile" Subject: Re: [AVALON] politics, amazon.com, and the rest of the Avalonian fare - -----Original Message----- From: Colleen Matan To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Sunday, October 24, 1999 1:43 PM Subject: [AVALON] politics, amazon.com, and the rest of the Avalonian fare >With respect to ATGB and Amazon.com: it's now down to #14. But I >wouldn't panic--I suspect that its rise and fall on this website says more >about the demographics of the Amazon.com clientele than about the >potential sales of this album. > And there is no mention of it what so ever on the Billboard site. Gene - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 14:38:19 -0700 From: Brian Folks Subject: Re: [AVALON] VU+political systems Capitalism (Danny Elfman) There's nothing wrong with Capitalism There's nothing wrong with free enterprise Don't try to make me feel guilty I'm so tired of hearing you cry There's nothing wrong with making some profit If you ask me I'll say it's just fine There's nothing wrong with wanting to live nice I'm so tired of hearing you whine About the revolution Bringin' down the rich When was the last time you dug a ditch, baby! If it ain't one thing Then it's the other Any cause that crosses your path Your heart bleeds for anyone's brother I've got to tell you you're a pain in the ass You criticize with plenty of vigor You rationalize everything that you do With catchy phrases and heavy quotations And everybody is a crazy but you You're just a middle class, socialist brat From a suburban family and you never really had to work for it And you tell me that we've got to get back To the struggling masses (whoever they are) You talk, talk, talk about suffering and pain Your mouth is bigger than your entire brain What the hell do you know about suffering and pain you dumb f**k (Repeat first verse) (Repeat chorus) There's nothing wrong with Capitalism There's nothing wrong with Capitalism There's nothing wrong with Capitalism There's nothing wrong with Capitalism "Dawne A. Streutker" wrote: > > Alex, > > You essentially said what I was thinking and wanting to say, but because > Heather is PG now, I do not want to cause strife or upset with and > within her psyche...But that does not mean she gets a Pass on saying > anything she wants, either ;-) > > But yes, this is true...NONE of the major communist bloc countries have > tremendous cultural fare to offer up to the world...and when they do, > the artist usually defects, ie: Misha Barishnikov bailed on his Lovely > Country (me and Frank Zappa are fond of Capitalising Stuff in Places you > would not expect). Did Tienamen (sp) Square give us any Art or culture?? > No, it just gave us a lot of bloodied and Dead students...How DARE they > challenge Communism, shame on them!! Let's kill them instead of giving > students art scholarships.... > > Get me right, I AM a capitalist, > Danny Elfman's views on the topic match my own > (See Oingo Boingo's, "Capitalism.") > > Best to all, even communists, > Dawne - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 17:46:40 -0400 From: "Decophile" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Culture+politics - -----Original Message----- From: axelbartoli@cheerful.com To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Sunday, October 24, 1999 3:41 PM Subject: [AVALON] Culture+politics >The point that VU came from a capitalist city/nation, did not mean that this was the >reason for their success as opposed to 'liberal' nations (e.g. supposidly England). > >To state that VU could only have come from a city of capitalist excess is not strictly true. Music of quality and cultural change originates anywhere. Perhaps in harsh/surpressive conditions it may be enhanced, but New York? > I don`t think VU would have made it at all without the help of Warhol. They wern`t known for their album sales. Gene - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 17:46:57 -0400 From: David Neuhaus Subject: Re: [AVALON] CAN ANYONE TELL ME SOMETHING OF THIS BRYAN FERRY SONG, PLEASE? Donna - As The World Turns, Ferry/Jobson, 1977. My version is on the flip side of the This Is Tomorrow 45 on Polydor records. It's also available on a Japanese Mamouna E.P. CD release (Virgin VJCP-20021). The tracks include: Mamouna (single edit) The 39 Steps (Brian Eno mix) As The World Turns She's Leaving Home Four Letter Love Broken Winggs Is Your Love Strong Enough Jealous Guy (live) Hope this helps! Dave Neuhaus - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V4 #327 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest