From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V4 #323 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Friday, October 22 1999 Volume 04 : Number 323 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Lighten Up Please [JFROXY@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Get Your Frox Off [RODEISLRED@aol.com] [AVALON] more time has gone by [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] Is It Just Me Or Does JFROXY Post About 1,000, 000TimesA Day? ["Will Frechette" ] RE: [AVALON] Lighten Up Please [Eric Gregory ] Re: [AVALON] Lighten Up Please [jspellman ] Re: [AVALON] Lighten Up Please ["Will Frechette" ] RE: [AVALON] Lighten Up Please [Kicki Gustafsson ] [AVALON] Thanks Jim! [axelbartoli@cheerful.com] [AVALON] The Over-The-Hill Gang [RODEISLRED@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Lighten Up Please [Kicki Gustafsson ] RE: [AVALON] The Over-The-Hill Gang [Eric Gregory ] Re: [AVALON] I like Muzac [jspellman ] Re: [AVALON] Lighten Up Please [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] Lighten Up Please ["Will Frechette" ] Re: [AVALON] Thanks Jim! ["Will Frechette" ] [AVALON] As Diapers Get Changed [RODEISLRED@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Lighten Up Please ["Martin Stockman" ] Re: [AVALON] Lighten Up Please [jspellman ] [AVALON] Re: Picture disc CDs [JObinv01@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] As Diapers Get Changed [Neil Ashar ] Re: [AVALON] King of the Hills ["Martin Stockman" ] Re: [AVALON] Thanks Jim! ["Tim Kendrick" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 13:34:44 EDT From: JFROXY@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Lighten Up Please In a message dated 22/10/99 05:46:42 GMT Daylight Time, jspellman@banet.net writes: << You may have missed the posts from some (not all) who said we in America don't like ATGB because we are shallow and don't get Bryan's sound. Look back at Froxy Lady. >> Take it this is aimed at me Spellman? To put the record straight, I am male, plus I never said that Americans are shallow, maybe they just like their music pigeonholed a bit more, rock,black,country,FM,etc. Is it just me or is the whole world becoming far too politically correct? JF - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 13:47:36 EDT From: RODEISLRED@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Get Your Frox Off In a message dated 10/22/99 5:37:37 PM, JFROXY@aol.com writes: << Take it this is aimed at me Spellman? To put the record straight, I am male, > Phew. Glad THAT'S cleared up. Just for curiosity's sake, FROXY, you big man, you--what IS in your music collection besides Frank Zappa? Please enlighten us. Red, listening to The Stanley Brothers at the moment. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 13:47:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: [AVALON] more time has gone by Well, I have a few more things to say about the new album, based on some of the things I have been reading on the list and on repeated listenings. And, yes, I'm still disappointed in it. First I want to address Kicki's comment about my comment about how--for me--I think that familiarity with the songs on this album might be breeding contempt: > Dead on, Colleen. It is _sooo_ tedious when people insist on recording > music that have already been recorded. All of those Mozart, Bach and > Beethoven-thingies, for instance. Those guys have been dead for like > hundres of years and still people play their music. Veeery repetitious, > eh? Well, I would go so far as to say that if you are recording Beethoven's Fifth Symphony or Bach's Brandenberg Concerti for the 2,432,926th time then you should probably have something new and/or interesting to say about the material. Some of the songs on the new album are songs which have been given attention in the past and have been pretty much definitively interpreted by some pretty heavy hitters--Marlene Dietrich and Billie Holliday (not to mention Alfalfa--thanks, Heidi), are, in my opinion, hard acts to follow--so I guess I was hoping for something, well, more. Bahi wrote: > But they never went so far as to flout the rules entirely, these > songwriters. The detached and contrived lyrics still had to sound plausible > in some sense. They had to be better than the songs from which they > attempted to distance themselves. And while other recordings of the songs > play turn up the irony, it's quite a surprise to hear how good some of > these things sound when charged with the sincerity you hear on this album. > Some of the occasionally irritating humour of the era has been turned into > innocence and uncertainty, and sometimes into a strange darkness that > unexpectedly flatters the 30s soundscape. I guess I come at it from the entirely opposite angle. And that's probably due to the fact that history is my trade. My friends like to bring me to historical sites and historic recreations because they like to watch my reactions--mostly those of dismay. People approach the past in such weird ways. It used to be all propaganda on the part of the "winners." Lately you get this Disneyfied view of the past--all of the rough edges have been sanded off and just the pablum remains. Anything which might offend must be wiped away. When you visit Thomas Jefferson's plantation in Virginia you are told that the former slaves are now "members of the corporation" committed to its success, which is the new reason why they never tried to escape. It's pure Politically Correct nonsense. In the attempt not to offend anyone, you get this complete fantasy. And so what's left is a shell which might look like The Real Thing, but is hollow. And as much as it pains me to say it, that is how I feel about this album--with the exception of "I'm In The Mood For Love," which it frightens me to admit I am warming to. What you might see as "occasionally irritating humor" (and trust me, it pains me to have to disagree with Bahi) I see as one of the cornerstones of what was authentic in that era. What is left is a record with a setting which look authentic, but is really just another reproduction. And not even one which strives to be a good one. Vulnerability, innocence, etc.--those are things which are near and dear to me, and a large part of my own being as well. And those are some of the things I feel have been stripped from these songs. I hear it not as sincerity--although I have been trying to do so--but as earnestness, which is so antithetical to the material at hand. And that is what deflates the illusion for me. "We are the hollow men/We are the stuffed men/Leaning together/Headpiece filled with straw. Alas!/Our dried voices, when We whisper together/Are quiet and meaningless." I can't believe I'm about to follow Eliot with a quote from Monkey Boy's post (by the way, are you a _Riddley Walker_ fan?), but he raised a good point when he typed: > time--Interps on 'Taxui' good because they r orig (and not LIKE > orignls), an, like everything Fary done, so crazee--but listen tp dis > one, the rangements are a bit, how you say, ordey-dox? Some cuts, puwe > imitaton, no gud, nud gud for Fwary. Stuf like 'Luver Cum Bak to Me,' > 'Eeddy Widding,' 'Grime On My Pawz,' He is 'aping' Biwwie Hwiday, down > to insrumentl intros, and leme tewl you, Aping no gud. Bwan Fary, He is > o-riginal, must go all de way. Jim wrote: > dig show tunes from the 30's is sickening. I find the music boring. Yes > I respect the craftiness of the songwriting and those who like it, but > it reminds me of a horrible time in America and I would rather move For me, the 30s are not a horrible time, but instead a time of great expectation and experimentation. Yes, there was lots in popular (and high) culture which was escapist and mere fluff. But there was indeed something darker there, and a real challenge was mounted--at least here in the U.S.--to the status quo. The happy-go-lucky stuff was a desperate attempt to keep the darkness at bay, which is what makes it so interesting. I know that Ferry has spoken of exactly this as being one of the reasons he wanted to record songs from this era, but I myself just can't hear that in the final product. You deconstructionists can argue how large a role authorial intent should play in an analysis of this kind. > forward. It does nothing for me. Does that make you better or worse than > me? Neither. It just makes us all different. Which is what makes discussions so interesting and worthwhile. Colleen (who wishes she liked Ferry's singing on the album because that would help quite a bit) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 13:51:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Lighten Up Please On Fri, 22 Oct 1999 JFROXY@aol.com wrote: > plus I never said that Americans are shallow, maybe they just like their > music pigeonholed a bit more, > rock,black,country,FM,etc. Is it just me or is the whole world becoming far > too politically correct? Hey Jim, I get what John is saying now--it's not that we're shallow, it's just that we don't know anything about music. Just don't tell him that jazz and rock'n'roll were invented here In United States Of Dumbies. Colleen P.S. To the overseas contingent: Don't take the current pathetic state of US radio (or even worse, MTV) as a barometer of anything more than the bottom line of the 16-19 year old market. Or else we'll be forced to assume that you all are exactly like Benny Hill. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 12:58:23 -0500 From: "Will Frechette" Subject: Re: [AVALON] ATGB/Career move Hey Gene, I'm afraid that after hearing the samples from the Jools Holland Show, I'm going to have to agree with you and Colleen, this might suck and suck bad. Unlike Colleen though I don't own any of the songs on the album by original or other artists because I'm definately not into that stuff. I thought if it's by the man it will have to have a really great twist or something, but wow nothing. I will have to listen to the rest of the tunes but I'm definately not buying a copy. Hopefully this will be an amusing little sidebar to his career not the turn of a corner, and having wanted to record these songs for such a long time he will now be able to get past getting some really great original stuff out ala Bete Noire or Mamouna. Please I don't want to see him go down like this. The humiliation. Unless we start calling him Grampa . Better to cover Night Ranger or Bon Jovi or soething equally as silly. Don't get me wrong he's still my hero, but I'm going to have to try and ignore this part of his career. If it serves the purpose of getting him back in the public eye and gives his career a shot in the arm, great, nothing would make me happier, but if he becomes this all I'll have are the memories. Will - ----- Original Message ----- From: Decophile > >Hi, > (snip) > >For my part, I like Bryan's artistic work, what ever it is. > > Correct me if I`m wrong, but I seem to sense a lot of "If Bryan did it, it > MUST be great!" around here. Who can be totally honest or objective about > his work with this attitude? > > Gene > > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 13:00:20 -0500 From: "Will Frechette" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Is It Just Me Or Does JFROXY Post About 1,000, 000TimesA Day? Tell it like it is my man. Will - ----- Original Message ----- From: Decophile > > Now, I can go on and on about why I dislike this album and dissect it down > to it`s DNA, but I don`t find it interesting enough to take it that far. It > simply does nothing more than bore me and no amount of flowery descriptions > can polish a turd. > But I`m glad Ferry has this opportunity to do something he really wanted to > do and I do hope it does well. I hope it goes triple platinum and is used in > automobile and fast food commercials and just floods the airwaves making him > tons of money. Then perhaps he`ll get it out of his system once and for all > and get on with something more original and inspiring. > > Gene > > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 20:06:40 +0200 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] Lighten Up Please >Also, I never implied anywhere in my review that anyone who liked it was >an airhead. In fact I don't remember even referring to anyone else in my >review. What I was referring to, Colleen, was in fact what you wrote on Sep 10, when you had yet to hear ATGB: "See--this is precisely what I was nattering on about when we first got word about this album. Muzak for Yuppies and their Dinner Parties (and I ain't talking Bunuel". I don't think you wrote this trying to flatter those of us who might like the record. I, for one, have never liked muzak, nor am I a yuppie or aspire to be one. Still, I like ATGB. /Kicki G - ------------------------ Kicki Gustafsson, Östersunds-Posten 063-16 16 51 http://www.op.se http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (privat hemsida) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 11:06:40 -0700 From: Eric Gregory Subject: RE: [AVALON] Lighten Up Please what's wrong with benny hill? he's funnier than most of the withered pompous brits on this list. ______________________________________________ Eric S. Gregory IVR Assistant egregory@standard.com (503) 321-8503 ____________________________________________ - -----Original Message----- From: Colleen Matan [mailto:matanc@gusun.georgetown.edu] Sent: Friday, October 22, 1999 10:51 AM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Lighten Up Please On Fri, 22 Oct 1999 JFROXY@aol.com wrote: > plus I never said that Americans are shallow, maybe they just like their > music pigeonholed a bit more, > rock,black,country,FM,etc. Is it just me or is the whole world becoming far > too politically correct? Hey Jim, I get what John is saying now--it's not that we're shallow, it's just that we don't know anything about music. Just don't tell him that jazz and rock'n'roll were invented here In United States Of Dumbies. Colleen P.S. To the overseas contingent: Don't take the current pathetic state of US radio (or even worse, MTV) as a barometer of anything more than the bottom line of the 16-19 year old market. Or else we'll be forced to assume that you all are exactly like Benny Hill. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 14:13:43 -0400 From: jspellman Subject: Re: [AVALON] Lighten Up Please JFROXY@aol.com wrote: > Take it this is aimed at me Spellman? To put the record straight, I am male, > plus I never said that Americans are shallow, maybe they just like their > music pigeonholed a bit more, > rock,black,country,FM,etc. Is it just me or is the whole world becoming far > too politically correct? > > JF It's just you. I couldn't agree more on the way the radio stations categorize music here, but that has nothing to do with me. I was referring to this you wrote: >>Isn't that why Roxy/Ferry never made it big in the USA in the first place, cos the music was too Euro/avant garde/arty for American ears? Even the wonderful Frank Zappa was literally ignored by his fellow countrymen for being too left field. I must admit I was not too enamored at the thought of this album originally, but what I have heard so far is excellent. By the way, how come Americans took to hilarious British crap like Depeche Mode and A flock of seagulls l in such a big way, yet ignored Roxy??????? Disgraceful!<< You imply we all have the same "ears". The new album doesn't sound very avante garde to me, more like aiming at the Henry Connick Jr. fans and people who bought up Natalie Cole's remakes. Not a "shot", just an observation. Personally, I loved Frank Zappa the man, his musical genius and the beliefs he stood up for, but I like catchy tunes, that's why I never really embraced his stuff. I've always been drawn to Roxy, Ferry, Bowie and a few others who take the chains off great musicians and put out music that pushes the envelope, but still comes up with something I can tap my toe to and even sneak it's way onto the radio. Jim - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 13:16:26 -0500 From: "Will Frechette" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Lighten Up Please - ----- Original Message ----- From: Kicki Gustafsson In fact, I've been > asked to run to a neighbour a have my pulse checked if > Your Painted Smile didn't make my blood race. > Now, did I start to cry when then happened? > Did I accuse those of a different opinion than my own > to be not themselves but Bryan Ferry in disguise No actually you took it quite well and suggested I come around in person and check it myself. That sparked quite a stir if I remember. Sorry about that, I was just expressing my enthusiasm, didn't mean anything personal. Will - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 20:17:24 +0200 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: RE: [AVALON] Lighten Up Please >Colleen >P.S. To the overseas contingent: Don't take the current pathetic state >of US radio (or even worse, MTV) as a barometer of anything more than the >bottom line of the 16-19 year old market. Or else we'll be forced to >assume that you all are exactly like Benny Hill. Perhaps I am being oversensitive tonight, but everything overseas from the US isn't the UK. Europe does still consist of several different countries with different languages and cultures. So there. /Kicki G - ------------------------ Kicki Gustafsson, Östersunds-Posten 063-16 16 51 http://www.op.se http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (privat hemsida) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 14:18:09 -0400 (EDT) From: axelbartoli@cheerful.com Subject: [AVALON] Thanks Jim! Jim, thanks for directing me to 'Deuces Wild' to find the mighty combination of Messrs King and Hubbard. Continuing the search for those Avalon guitars. In the meanwhile I'm still bludgoning the record to pieces. By the way, I found your rantings both amusing and true. Thanks, Alex. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 14:17:24 EDT From: RODEISLRED@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] The Over-The-Hill Gang In a message dated 10/22/99 6:09:50 PM, egregory@standard.com writes: << what's wrong with benny hill? he's funnier than most of the withered pompous brits on this list. ______________________________________________ Eric S. Gregory >> AHAHAHAHAHA--give this man an Avalon Award! Can you hear that cringe-inducing theme song, as Kicki (played by Dyanne Thorne AKA Ilsa, She-Wolf of the SS) chases (in speeded-up fast-motion) a bunch of American Avalonians while JFROXY (AKA 'Benny Hill,' played by a drunken Van Morrison), throws his bottle away and runs for the hills, his pants comically falling to ankles? Red, now listening to Alan Vega (remember him?) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 20:21:54 +0200 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] Lighten Up Please >----- Original Message ----- >From: Kicki Gustafsson > In fact, I've been >> asked to run to a neighbour a have my pulse checked if >> Your Painted Smile didn't make my blood race. >> Now, did I start to cry when then happened? >> Did I accuse those of a different opinion than my own >> to be not themselves but Bryan Ferry in disguise > > No actually you took it quite well and suggested I come around in person >and check it myself. That sparked quite a stir if I remember. Sorry about >that, I was just expressing my enthusiasm, didn't mean anything personal. > > Will Will dearheart, I printed that mail and keep it close to the CD-player and read it whenever I listen to YPS. A lot of what you wrote then is what I feel when I listen to Where or When. I just lose it when I hear it! It is soooo beautiful it actually puts tears in my eyes. If you want to, you can come over and check my pulse when I listen to it, if you want. Kicki G - ------------------------ Kicki Gustafsson, Östersunds-Posten 063-16 16 51 http://www.op.se http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (privat hemsida) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 11:24:24 -0700 From: Eric Gregory Subject: RE: [AVALON] The Over-The-Hill Gang i listen to the 1st suicide record regularly. & "dream baby dream" is about as gorgeous as rock & roll comes. ______________________________________________ Eric S. Gregory IVR Assistant egregory@standard.com (503) 321-8503 ____________________________________________ - -----Original Message----- From: RODEISLRED@aol.com [mailto:RODEISLRED@aol.com] Sent: Friday, October 22, 1999 11:17 AM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] The Over-The-Hill Gang In a message dated 10/22/99 6:09:50 PM, egregory@standard.com writes: << what's wrong with benny hill? he's funnier than most of the withered pompous brits on this list. ______________________________________________ Eric S. Gregory >> AHAHAHAHAHA--give this man an Avalon Award! Can you hear that cringe-inducing theme song, as Kicki (played by Dyanne Thorne AKA Ilsa, She-Wolf of the SS) chases (in speeded-up fast-motion) a bunch of American Avalonians while JFROXY (AKA 'Benny Hill,' played by a drunken Van Morrison), throws his bottle away and runs for the hills, his pants comically falling to ankles? Red, now listening to Alan Vega (remember him?) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 14:30:26 -0400 From: jspellman Subject: Re: [AVALON] I like Muzac Kicki Gustafsson wrote: > "See--this is precisely what I was nattering on about when we first got > word about this album. Muzak for Yuppies and their Dinner Parties (and I > ain't talking Bunuel". > > I don't think you wrote this trying to flatter those of us who might like > the record. > I, for one, have never liked muzak, nor am I a yuppie or aspire to be one. > Still, I like ATGB. I like Muzac. When I was a late teen, all my friendswould go to clubs drinking and I would get baked and go to the department store and walk around by myself and listen to some cool interpretations of songs. It's not all good, but the musicians on this stuff are often better than those on the radio. That was me standing below the speaker in the toaster lane. Sometimes I would (and still do) hear More than This and Dance Away, but always the original. Still a novelty, but I would say Muzak ain't what it used to be. Jim - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 14:24:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Lighten Up Please On Fri, 22 Oct 1999, Kicki Gustafsson wrote: > What I was referring to, Colleen, was in fact what you wrote on Sep 10, > when you had yet to hear ATGB: > > "See--this is precisely what I was nattering on about when we first got > word about this album. Muzak for Yuppies and their Dinner Parties (and I > ain't talking Bunuel". > > I don't think you wrote this trying to flatter those of us who might like > the record. > I, for one, have never liked muzak, nor am I a yuppie or aspire to be one. > Still, I like ATGB. I didn't write it with the intent to flatter or disaprage anyone in particular so if you took it personally, well, that's something I can't really comment on but I apologize if it bothered you. Also, I think it helps if you look at my comment on that date within its context which was in response to that dreadfully written article: > > aside your K-Tel prejudices and imagine Ferry providing the soundtrack > > for a shelved Woody Allen film, circa Broadway Danny Rose, and you'll > > get the picture. > > See--this is precisely what I was nattering on about when we first got > word about this album. Muzak for Yuppies and their Dinner Parties (and > I ain't talking Bunuel [sorry, can't do the right markings in Pine], > either). I don't even love his lastest body of work as much as many of > you, but this really does alarm me. Pseudo-music for pseudo-sophisticates. > It's shocking--appalling, even--that the music company big-wigs around > Ferry think this is a good use of his considerable talents. Colleen (who knows the entire family of the lounge singer guy from "Broadway Danny Rose" as it turns out AND does realize that there is more than just the UK across the Atlantic) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 14:34:07 -0400 From: jspellman Subject: Re: [AVALON] Thanks Jim! If you are going after the Hubbard sound, I recommend trying a Gibson ES-335 semi-hollow body guitar, they are "only" $2500 for the new ones. That's his sound, with a little reverb and mostly his technique. Someone on this list has one of those guitars, they posted long time ago. Jim axelbartoli@cheerful.com wrote: > Jim, > > thanks for directing me to 'Deuces Wild' to find the mighty combination of Messrs King and Hubbard. Continuing the search for those Avalon guitars. In the meanwhile I'm still bludgoning the record to pieces. > > By the way, I found your rantings both amusing and true. > > Thanks, Alex. > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 13:33:52 -0500 From: "Will Frechette" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Lighten Up Please Sounds like your pulse reaches extremely dangerous levels at those times, you best not listen to that stuff untill I get there. Doctor Will - ----- Original Message ----- From: Kicki Gustafsson > > No actually you took it quite well and suggested I come around in person > >and check it myself. That sparked quite a stir if I remember. Sorry about > >that, I was just expressing my enthusiasm, didn't mean anything personal. > > > > Will > > Will dearheart, I printed that mail and keep it close to the CD-player > and read it whenever I listen to YPS. > A lot of what you wrote then is what I feel when I listen to Where or When. > I just lose it when I hear it! It is soooo beautiful it actually puts tears > in my eyes. > If you want to, you can come over and check my pulse when I listen to it, > if you want. > > Kicki G - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 13:43:29 -0500 From: "Will Frechette" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Thanks Jim! I just happen to own a 1964 ES 335 red of course, Just had to say that. There is so little that I get to brag about. someone scalloped the neck and it's quite weird but I like it. Will - ----- Original Message ----- From: jspellman > If you are going after the Hubbard sound, I recommend > trying a Gibson ES-335 semi-hollow body guitar, they > are "only" $2500 for the new ones. That's his sound, > with a little reverb and mostly his technique. Someone > on this list has one of those guitars, they posted long time ago. > > Jim > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 14:46:31 EDT From: RODEISLRED@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] As Diapers Get Changed Wanna know MY theory on the new CD (I'm sure you're all DYING for that!) Family life and old age has destroyed this artist. Red - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 19:57:45 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Lighten Up Please > Does that make you better > or worse than me? Jim Easy, old fruit. There's a curious battle on the list whereby ATGB champions and doubters vie for the moral high ground. We're all here because we are fond of the maestro's past, present or future material. Like a father who can't understand his pubescent son's behaviour we are stung when, perhaps, Bryan's work doesn't match (some of) our expectations. People feel strongly precisely because we care so much. Let's all have a pleasant weekend... either basking in the glory of the new album or finding other ways to engage idle hands.. pip pip Martineaux - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 15:13:17 EDT From: RODEISLRED@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] King of the Hills Oh, I get it--so if we don't like the album we should shut up and not discuss it because you like it? Red - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 19:57:45 +0100 From: Martin Stockman Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Lighten Up Please > Does that make you better > or worse than me? Jim Easy, old fruit. There's a curious battle on the list whereby ATGB champions and doubters vie for the moral high ground. We're all here because we are fond of the maestro's past, present or future material. Like a father who can't understand his pubescent son's behaviour we are stung when, perhaps, Bryan's work doesn't match (some of) our expectations. People feel strongly precisely because we care so much. Let's all have a pleasant weekend... either basking in the glory of the new album or finding other ways to engage idle hands.. pip pip Martineaux - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 15:15:40 EDT From: Gal410@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] ATGB/Career move Will said - >Hopefully this will be an amusing >little sidebar to his career not the turn of a corner, and having wanted to >record these songs for such a long time he will now be able to get past >getting some really great original stuff out ala Bete Noire or Mamouna. >Please I don't want to see him go down like this. The humiliation. Unless we >start calling him Grampa . Better to cover Night Ranger or Bon Jovi or >soething equally as silly. Don't get me wrong he's still my hero, but I'm >going to have to try and ignore this part of his career. If it serves the >purpose of getting him back in the public eye and gives his career a shot in >the arm, great, nothing would make me happier, but if he becomes this all >I'll have are the memories. > > Will, I couldn't agree with you more. That is a very scary thought, if he should go down like this. p.s.- I am very apprehensive about seeing him in concert in 2 weeks. I don't wan't to see him at his least desirable, only crooning to 30's music. He should be thrilled to know that many of us think so much of his own original work. Isn't that the ultimate for any artist? Heidi Gal410@aol.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 15:30:08 -0400 From: jspellman Subject: Re: [AVALON] Guitars It was you eh? That must sound like a dream. Jim Will Frechette wrote: > I just happen to own a 1964 ES 335 red of course, Just had to say that. > There is so little that I get to brag about. someone scalloped the neck and > it's quite weird but I like it. > > Will > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 15:33:28 -0400 From: jspellman Subject: Re: [AVALON] Lighten Up Please I know, I have to shut my computer off now. Hardly any production at work today. I've made plans for the weekend. Kids, put on your Sunday best, we're going to Sears, and let the Muzac do the talking! Jim Martin Stockman wrote: > Jim > > Easy, old fruit. There's a curious battle on the list whereby ATGB champions > and doubters vie for the moral high ground. We're all here because we are > fond of the maestro's past, present or future material. Like a father who > can't understand his pubescent son's behaviour we are stung when, perhaps, > Bryan's work doesn't match (some of) our expectations. People feel strongly > precisely because we care so much. Let's all have a pleasant weekend... > either basking in the glory of the new album or finding other ways to engage > idle hands.. > > pip pip > > Martineaux - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 15:33:30 EDT From: JObinv01@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Re: Picture disc CDs In a message dated 16/10/99 17:23:33 GMT, you write: << Would I be right in saying there was also a third boxed set of Picture CDs comprising the final three Roxy albums? Can anyone verify this? >> The final 3 albums came out in a box set, but where not pictiure discs Cat .Number TPAK 34 and they also came out in France in a box set with the same sleeve as The Thrill Of It All Cat. Number 7243 8306832 6 Regards John O'Brien P.S. I've had my PC away for a repair since Saturday 16th, so I have 3 Zillion e-mails to get through. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 13:12:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Ashar Subject: Re: [AVALON] As Diapers Get Changed So what's your excuse? - --- RODEISLRED@aol.com wrote: > > > Wanna know MY theory on the new CD (I'm sure you're all DYING for > that!) > > Family life and old age has destroyed this artist. > > Red > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 22:47:28 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] King of the Hills What ? - ---------- >From: RODEISLRED@aol.com >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: [AVALON] King of the Hills >Date: Fri, Oct 22, 1999, 8:13 pm > > Oh, I get it--so if we don't like the album we should shut up > and not discuss it because you like it? > > Red > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 19:57:45 +0100 > From: Martin Stockman > Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Lighten Up Please > >> Does that make you better >> or worse than me? > > Jim > > Easy, old fruit. There's a curious battle on the list whereby ATGB champions > and doubters vie for the moral high ground. We're all here because we are > fond of the maestro's past, present or future material. Like a father who > can't understand his pubescent son's behaviour we are stung when, perhaps, > Bryan's work doesn't match (some of) our expectations. People feel strongly > precisely because we care so much. Let's all have a pleasant weekend... > either basking in the glory of the new album or finding other ways to engage > idle hands.. > > pip pip > > Martineaux > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 22:56:14 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] UK tour tickets Go Go Go! I've got to do a count up but I may have a spare or 2 in the second row at the RFH. (The Chi-Town contingent just pulled out ...) And seeing as no-one says anything controversial on the list anymore let me be the first to say that London is Ferry's hometown gig these days !!! (Well, for the last thirty years.) - ---------- >From: "Jason Gibbs" >To: "avalon@smoe.org" >Subject: Re: [AVALON] UK tour tickets Go Go Go! >Date: Fri, Oct 22, 1999, 2:20 pm > >> >>Box office 'phone numbers: >> >>Royal Festival Hall, London DEC 14th. 0171 960 4242 > > > Going fast . . . just bought two expensive ones at 40 pounds each, 4th > row. Hurry everybody!! > > The lady did 'warn' me he is singing classics from the 30s . > > Jason > > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 23:22:45 +0100 From: "David Squires" Subject: [AVALON] VU Heather wrote (a while back now): > I don't think something like the Velvet Underground > could have happened in Europe. Fair enough comment. But don't forget that a quarter of the VU came from Wales, with the strangely conflicting celtic tendancy to veer from the pastoral to the psychotic. An essential element. Dioch yn fawr, David - -- David Squires Wimbotsham Norfolk UK - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:33:04 -0400 From: "Tim Kendrick" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Thanks Jim! Perhaps this is the time to let people know that another great contemporary artist, the luminous BB King, has just put out his own album of covers - this one of songs by the forties/fifties band leader and entertainer Louis Jordan. It is simply fabulous. He still, at 73, plays like an angel, and the voice is, as ever, full of deep feeling. Don't miss it. AS TIME GOES BY seems to me delicious, and I look forward to living with it on the turntable ( or whatever you call the place where you put cds ) . I don't have any of the problems with it that some people here apparently have. The arrangements seem to me fresh and inventive - and I like the vocals. I have listened to Sinatra and Billie Holiday and others like them for years, and I don't see Ferry as invading their territory. So, though I agree that his voice isn't in that class, I think the performances are 'new' enough - that is, enough his own - to stand up in their own right. ( My only reservation is that his readings are slightly generalised.) Gene apparently likes least of all, Miss Otis. He bemoans the lack of irony in this track, and indeed the whole album. I disagree - I think there IS irony here. The thunderstorm effect is over-the-top enough to be, to my mind, quite funny in an operatic sort of way. There were a number of other moments which amused me too. There's a 78 crackle at one insrtance. And remember that he takes these songs 'seriously' to no further extent than his soul covers are 'serious.' Ferry's irony is somewhat broader on his own songs than most of his pop covers. Is he being here more 'earnest' than on Take Me to the River or Will You love Me Tomorrow or I n the Midnight Hour? And of course, just as John Tavener draws on ancient music to make music that could never have been written before now, so this album could in fact NOT have been recorded before now. Ferry's vocal quality is very much a contemporary one. He uses 30s style arrangements of 30s songs, but the result is strangely modern. And I don't think he is selling us 'cheap nostalgia.' Partly, he is to detatched, too cool, in a modern art way. And the sleeve design is no more straight-forward thirties glamour than TAXI is straight-forward soul glamour. It is a reference rather than mere romanticism. And, er... Enough! Enough! Tim - -----Original Message----- From: axelbartoli@cheerful.com To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Friday, October 22, 1999 2:21 PM Subject: [AVALON] Thanks Jim! >Jim, > >thanks for directing me to 'Deuces Wild' to find the mighty combination of Messrs King and Hubbard. Continuing the search for those Avalon guitars. In the meanwhile I'm still bludgoning the record to pieces. > >By the way, I found your rantings both amusing and true. > >Thanks, Alex. > > > > > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V4 #323 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest