From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V4 #319 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Thursday, October 21 1999 Volume 04 : Number 319 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Is It Just Me Or Does JFROXY Post About 1,000, 000TimesA Day? [JFROXY@aol.] Re: [AVALON] Is It Just Me Or Does This Thing Suck? [JFROXY@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] time goes by [Jeff Kay ] Re: [AVALON] Monkie Boy Captured! ["Will Frechette" ] Re: [AVALON] time goes by [jspellman ] Re: [AVALON] time goes by ["Martin Stockman" ] RE: [AVALON] One-Eyed Bandit Captured! [Eric Gregory ] [AVALON] UK Tour ["Killip family" ] Re: [AVALON] time goes by [Colleen Matan ] RE: [AVALON] Is It Just Me ...? ["gareth mc ginley" ] RE: [AVALON] Is It Just Me ... [Colleen Matan ] [AVALON] Total Recall [pderas@jps.net (Paul Deras)] Re: [AVALON] Ferry in Salon [Noam ] Re: [AVALON] Bowie/Ferry [Noam Bronstein ] Re: [AVALON] Is It Just Me Or Does JFROXY Post About 1,000, 000TimesA Day? ["Richard Swift" ] Re: [AVALON] Bowie/Ferry [Rod Le Cloux ] Re: [AVALON] Bowie/Ferry [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] time goes by [Noam Bronstein ] RE: [AVALON] Chip in NYC ["Jeff Barbanell" ] [AVALON] Will rock for food [Neil Ashar ] Re: [AVALON] Depression...lifting [Bahi Para ] Re: [AVALON] time goes by [Bahi Para ] Re: [AVALON] time goes by [Bahi Para ] Re: [AVALON] Chip in NYC [dawndalion ] Re: [AVALON] time goes by ["tfagan" ] [AVALON] Now here's a Bright Idea. [Brian Folks ] Re: [AVALON] That don't impress me much [Neil Ashar ] Re: [AVALON] That don't impress me much [Brian Folks ] Re: [AVALON] Is It Just Me Or Does JFROXY Post About 1,000, 000TimesA Day? [JFROXY@aol.] Re: [AVALON] time goes by [Kicki Gustafsson ] [AVALON] Jerry Hall, Unplugged [RODEISLRED@aol.com] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:38:13 EDT From: JFROXY@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Is It Just Me Or Does JFROXY Post About 1,000, 000TimesA Day? In a message dated 20/10/99 09:14:04 GMT Daylight Time, snijders.geest@gironet.nl writes: << If 'jeans and trainers are not allowed in this club' means we need some style here, then I fully agree. But it also means that we sent mail with some style. And if a mail could be compared to clothes the letters of you John and some others are very synthetic, shiny trainers. I would prefer a more gentle approach. With some creativity it's easy to make clear that you disagree with someone. If some of you don't have those skill please keep those mails private. >> Ok , I know you Scandinavians are not as eh, volatile as we Scots, but that Ginger Slapper started it, so I just had to finish it :). JF - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:40:35 EDT From: JFROXY@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Is It Just Me Or Does This Thing Suck? In a message dated 20/10/99 02:15:03 GMT Daylight Time, depmode@earthlink.net writes: << Depeche Mode was never avante garde >> I never said they were, DP avant garde?????? ha ha. JF - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 13:08:50 -0400 From: Jeff Kay Subject: Re: [AVALON] time goes by > I think this album is fantastic, I got it home and played the heck out it. > The vocals piano, standup bass, 30's guitar sound is fantastic. The > engineering and backgroud tweeking is totally amazing. Just one hell of a fantastic effort all around. I did find that the equipment you are playing it on makes all the difference in the world, it played poorly on my cd rom in my lap top and I had the same negative commentary as many other people. But once I got home , beautiful. I also found the same with the last two albums Mamouna & Taxi both incredible sounding, written, performed and produced efforts. I really have no idea what some people are looking for from this artist, but I am very happy that he doesn't visit here. Thank goodness this artist clearly has the ability to grow and evolve, there is nothing worse that an artist and fan base stuck in a rut glorifying and producing the same old tired stuff, year after year. Thankyou Mr. Ferry PS. anyone get a digipac for In Your Mind and get the inner sleeve for "Bride" > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:58:32 -0500 From: "Will Frechette" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Monkie Boy Captured! your link locks up my computer. Will - ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Folks > If you are dying to see what Monkie Boy looks like just browse to this > URL and view an mpeg of what all the fuss is about: > > http://members.home.net/bfolks/chimpsnif.mpg - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 13:50:23 -0400 From: jspellman Subject: Re: [AVALON] time goes by Jeff Kay wrote: > ....I also found the same with the last two albums Mamouna & Taxi both > incredible > sounding, written, performed and produced efforts. I really have no idea what > some people are looking for from this artist, but I am very happy that he > doesn't visit here. > > Thank goodness this artist clearly has the ability to grow and evolve, there > is nothing worse that an artist and fan base stuck in a rut glorifying and > producing the same old tired stuff, year after year...... I'm a little confused by this theory that if we don't likethe album, we are stuck in 1973 and are not evolving with the artist. I like everything Ferry's done except ATAP, Flesh&Blood, and Taxi. Haven't heard the new one, but it sounds like Taxi-lite. I'll try it, but if I don't like something, it's because I don't like it, because it gives me no goose bumps, no adrenaline rush, not because it's trendy, or obscure and not beacuse I can't evolve with the times or because I live in America. Jim - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 19:09:37 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] time goes by Colleen Matan wrote.. > You have to wonder about the people > who insisted that he release this instead (of) original material. Well we met a couple of these self-styled advisors at the RFH gig and clearly they, and who they represented, didn't GET Mamouna, and projects of that ilk. There was more than a suggestion that no label was prepared to put out his (perceived) un-commercial own material. Perhaps, then, ATGB was his only shot at product. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:06:47 EDT From: RODEISLRED@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] One-Eyed Bandit Captured! You've performed a great service here, Mr Folks. RED In a message dated 10/20/99 5:56:02 PM, will@execpc.com writes: << your link locks up my computer. Will - ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Folks > If you are dying to see what Monkie Boy looks like just browse to this > URL and view an mpeg of what all the fuss is about: > > http://members.home.net/bfolks/chimpsnif.mpg >> - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:08:52 -0400 From: jspellman Subject: Re: [AVALON] Monkie Boy Captured! Will Frechette wrote: > your link locks up my computer. > > Will Your lucky, this is disgusting! Jim - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:15:57 -0700 From: Eric Gregory Subject: RE: [AVALON] One-Eyed Bandit Captured! i've gotta say rodeisred, yr msgs are often fucking hilarious. i'm serious! ______________________________________________ Eric S. Gregory IVR Assistant egregory@standard.com (503) 321-8503 ____________________________________________ - -----Original Message----- From: RODEISLRED@aol.com [mailto:RODEISLRED@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 1999 11:07 AM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] One-Eyed Bandit Captured! You've performed a great service here, Mr Folks. RED In a message dated 10/20/99 5:56:02 PM, will@execpc.com writes: << your link locks up my computer. Will - ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Folks > If you are dying to see what Monkie Boy looks like just browse to this > URL and view an mpeg of what all the fuss is about: > > http://members.home.net/bfolks/chimpsnif.mpg >> - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:18:41 -0700 From: William Sommers Subject: Re: [AVALON] Manzanera.com Updated At 10:32 AM 10/20/99 +0100, Bill Maccormick wrote: Yowza! Finally, an actual insider in our midst. (Well, close relation anyway... ) > PS in my garbled way I was saying that our average daily sales have > tripled and more since we started the autographing business. Tcha -- suddenly the recent theft of my entire Manzanera collection begins to make sense. A sales conspiracy, surely. > I'll take a gander at your site later this AM. I'm going to be > ruthless now :-) (can I steal any bits I like?) Only if you regale us with anecdotes in return. -wfs - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 19:38:57 +0100 From: "Killip family" Subject: [AVALON] UK Tour Richard (and others) I read your posting concerning the tour. Earlier, I sent this to John and forgot to post it to Avalonians...sorry! David - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:42:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] time goes by On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, jspellman wrote: > I'm a little confused by this theory that if we don't likethe album, we are stuck > in 1973 and are not evolving > with the artist. I like everything Ferry's done except Yeah, I mean I can't even FIND my purple and white-lace hot pants outfit these days. Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 13:16:38 PDT From: "gareth mc ginley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Is It Just Me ...? >No show ever used to beat Newcastle other than maybe Glasgow, where >everyone's mental (and fabulous). So happy to hear this. Seeing as how one plane journey can take me to within a bus ride of any of the British dates I've got the choice of whichever venue I want in December. But going by past recordings (boots, the High Road mini LP, The Mamouna & Taxi b-sides)Glasgow sounds fabulous. You never could beat the Scots for audience participation. A streaker is par for the course at anything I've ever attended over there (as long as it's not JO'B: Noooooo). Also planning on travelling on down to catch the Newcastle date - surely you can't beat the home crowd. Going by your tales Jocelyn I'd love to meet up with you. I'm quite amazed at how quickly the American tickets sold out - do they go as quickly in Britain? Read some of the Bry interviews the other day and was sorry to hear him mention that Alan Spenner has passed away. What happened the poor guy? Always thought he was very funny - getting off the plane in Montreaux on a wheelchair, hilarious mock dancing with Bry during Avalon on High Road video. The Dazed alternative cover - yes Kicki, way over the top but don't you just love Bryan when he's over the top - a truly classic picture. Re the ATGB criticisms: if there's one person in the world who's made me realise that opinions are far more relevant in retrospect it's Bryan. Give the album a chance, see what you're saying in three months time. Gareth p.s. cant believe Bill Maccormack's on this list - c'mon Bill surely we, of all people, deserve to hear about a few skeletons in the old closet. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 16:37:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] time goes by On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Martin Stockman wrote: > Well we met a couple of these self-styled advisors at the RFH gig and > clearly they, and who they represented, didn't GET Mamouna, and projects of > that ilk. There was more than a suggestion that no label was prepared to put > out his (perceived) un-commercial own material. Perhaps, then, ATGB was his > only shot at product. Surely that cannot be the case. Many artists, with fan bases and reputations much much smaller than that of Mr. Ferry, are able to seek out alternative ways to get their music out to people. I don't know the status of his contract (or lack thereof), but--assuming contractual obligations didn't force his hand--if he was truly committed to his original material, then I am sure he would have found a way to get it released. Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 16:46:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: RE: [AVALON] Is It Just Me ... On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, gareth mc ginley wrote: > Re the ATGB criticisms: if there's one person in the world who's made me > realise that opinions are far more relevant in retrospect it's Bryan. Give > the album a chance, see what you're saying in three months time. I'm a grown woman. I know well my preferences, dislikes, guilty pleasures, and fetishes. I--and anyone else who doesn't like ATGB--do not need to be condescended to or patronized about how I feel about the new album. If people like it and want to write glowing reviews--fantastic. I'm always happy to read intelligent, well-reasoned, lucid opinion pieces, even if I don't happen to agree with the opinions being expressed. But just because others like it doesn't mean that those who don't are wrong or somehow need to come around "in three months time." After all, "One man's meat &tc. ..." Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 16:51:05 -0500 From: Noam Subject: Re: [AVALON] immaculate conception >Jocelyn Fiske wrote: >Never mind giving birth, anyone out there conceived at a Roxy gig? And don't neglect to tell us in what way Bryan might have been 'involved' in the act. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 20:55:26 GMT From: pderas@jps.net (Paul Deras) Subject: [AVALON] Total Recall Does anyone know where I can find Total Recall on NTSC VHS fore a decent price? Thanks, Paul - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:02:20 -0500 From: Noam Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry in Salon >Colleen Matan wrote: >that Mr. Ferry will actually lose money on the US leg? I'm not sure how much >money one can make on a 15? 16? date tour of small venues in support of an >album which probably won't get any airplay here. The artist should normally get 65% of the gross. For the Toronto gig, say 2500 paid tickets @ $50 ($35 US), that's about $57 grand (US) for Ferry. Of course then he has to pay expenses out of that - musicians, airfare etc. The US gigs are mostly smaller venues - but the ticket prices are a lot higher. Also, with Canadian gigs, the artists usually don't bring merchandise to sell because of the retail tax hassles. In the US he should be able to sell some shirts (and polyester hot pants). - -Noam - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:33:03 -0500 From: Noam Bronstein Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bowie/Ferry > >Rod Le Cloux wrote: > >he's attempting to do, provoke the listener. I think most people just don't > >understand where he's coming from. Because he's so interested in many types > of >music and is willing to incorporate them into his musical pallette. > As one of the 'bashers', I'll just say this: I was weaned on Ziggy and Tom, > adored China Girl, and I think the recent stuff has been pap. > > >Some people seem to think that he's trying to copy some current style or > >trend which is just not the case. > > I saw him perform on SNL and was lamenting the fact that he no longer SETS > the trends. The creativity just seems to be sapped. > > >I also can't get real excited about the Ferry's 30's crooning album > >coming out. I will probably wait to pick it up in the cut-out bin. > > Hey, which list are you on anyway?!? > > :) regards, Noam - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:44:39 +0100 From: "Richard Swift" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Is It Just Me Or Does JFROXY Post About 1,000, 000TimesA Day? Martin - Thank - you for saving me the time it would have taken me to so eloquently express what you have said. I couldn't agree more! Richard - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:38:46 +0100 From: "Richard Swift" Subject: Re: [AVALON] time goes by - ---- Original Message ----- From: Colleen Matan To: Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 1999 4:24 PM Subject: [AVALON] time goes by > And don't tell me it's a homage of sorts. Because it's not. Colleen - So nice to hear that, as usual, you have a singularly unique insight into Bryan Ferry's mind and motivation. Slag off the album if you want to but I don't think you advance your arguments at all by stating categorically, in two short sentences, that this is not a work of homage. Only the artist can claim or deny this. Richard - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 04:39:05 -0700 From: Rod Le Cloux Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bowie/Ferry Noam Bronstein wrote: > > > >Rod Le Cloux wrote: > > >he's attempting to do, provoke the listener. I think most people just don't > > >understand where he's coming from. Because he's so interested in many types > > of >music and is willing to incorporate them into his musical pallette. > > > As one of the 'bashers', I'll just say this: I was weaned on Ziggy and Tom, > > adored China Girl, and I think the recent stuff has been pap. > > > > >Some people seem to think that he's trying to copy some current style or > > >trend which is just not the case. > > > > I saw him perform on SNL and was lamenting the fact that he no longer SETS > > the trends. The creativity just seems to be sapped. > > > > >I also can't get real excited about the Ferry's 30's crooning album > > >coming out. I will probably wait to pick it up in the cut-out bin. > > > > Hey, which list are you on anyway?!? > > > > :) regards, Noam > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon Hi, I think we are on the list that has little to no information about Ferry or Roxy Music or related artists. Current topics are: Monkey Boy(whatever...), Gee let's see um how about "What clothe I'm going to wear to the concert", um, somebody's pregnant. I could go on, but I think you get my point. Bye, Rod - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 18:16:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bowie/Ferry On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Rod Le Cloux wrote: > I think we are on the list that has little to no information about Ferry > or Roxy Music or related artists. > > Current topics are: Monkey Boy(whatever...), Gee let's see um how > about "What clothe I'm going to wear to the concert", um, somebody's > pregnant. I could go on, but I think you get my point. Oops, you forgot the Bowie thread. Also, are you not getting all the Avalon mail? Because there has been lots of talk about the new album over the last few days. And if you're complaining instead about what's in your mailbox: start some threads on topics of interest. Reminisce about Roxy days gone by. Write a review of the new album. The world is your oyster. Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 18:23:02 -0500 From: Noam Bronstein Subject: Re: [AVALON] time goes by >Colleen Matan wrote: >Yeah, I mean I can't even FIND my purple and white-lace hot pants outfit >these days. >Colleen Hey Colleen, they're hangin' on the line out back behind the trailer hon'! Take a break from Springer and finish the damn laundry... - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 16:29:40 -0700 From: "Jeff Barbanell" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Chip in NYC Just a quick update from the Phoenix "crowd" (now reduced to four): Just returned from Vegas this weekend, and the Mandalay Bay is beautiful!! Unfortunately, the rooms are $199 with no travel-industry discounting available (one of us works for America West). What is everyone else doing for accommodations? I'm leaving myself at the mercy of the travel-professional in our group. Glad to hear about Chip. The more the merrier. Anyone else for Vegas? Regards, Jeff - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of dawndalion Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 1999 9:35 AM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Chip in NYC Hi Gang, Just got an email from HipChip, and due to some email posting difficulties he is having, he wanted me to email the group and let you know he is planning on attending the NYC Beacon show, and wants to get together with other Avalonians for drinks....I think it would be great! He is also going to the Viva Las Vega$ show, and I am hoping to meet up with him and the Phoenix crowd as well. Email Chip at HipChip@hotmail.com Best, Dawne - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 16:59:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Ashar Subject: [AVALON] Will rock for food Okay, I got my new ATGB today and really didn't know what to think as I slid it into the clamper... At "I'm in the Mood For Love," I came around. This is all Ferry, just on some very bizarre track. I also felt slightly as if I were in the cinema at a Woody Allen flick -- lots of old-style sound. I can very, very much understand where the critics of this album, especially those on this mailing list, are coming from. This does not sound like any Ferry I've ever heard before, at least not on first listen. It sounds so... square... next to Mamouna or Bete Noire -- let alone real groundbreakers like FYP. However, I really like this. It's a real grower. I think Ferry really hit the mark of what he intended, if it were a Nick and Nora cocktail with ever so slight a twist of irony floating in it somewhere. At the same time, if Ferry's label supposed his covers would have greater commercial appeal than his original efforts, to hear this they must have been smoking something strong and impure. Neil in WeHo ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 01:04:34 +0100 From: Bahi Para Subject: Re: [AVALON] Depression...lifting Andy Cooper wrote: >Anyway thanks for cheering me up - a little - and Eno's remix helped to make >my day.......are there more Eno versions? There's even one with a Love Love ending, whatever one of those may be. They were listed, in the form of one Virgin Records gold CD by a UK online seller when I was broke; by the time the money had sorted itself out, the outlet was denying all knowledge of the item. It had quite a few of the mixes - perhaps 5 or 6. The one that's on the Mamouna single is (like The Chosen One, Boys and Girls, Valentine, Zamba, and numerous others) one of those things that Eno used to call possible futures. I love it. The last song in a post-meltdown nightclub. I'm very glad to hear that the CDs washed out okay. Completely unrelated aside: wouldn't it be just fantastic to hear Just Like You on this tour? It would work so well. B - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 01:05:45 +0100 From: Bahi Para Subject: Re: [AVALON] time goes by Martin wrote: >these self-styled advisors [...] didn't GET Mamouna, and projects of >that ilk. There was more than a suggestion that no label was prepared to put >out his (perceived) un-commercial own material. Perhaps, then, ATGB was his >only shot at product. He was probably offered that or a Roxy reunion; I remember one of these consultants telling us that evening how Bryan had been obsessed with recording and releasing this 30s album, despite what he (the consultant) and others had said to him about it. The consultant's strong recommendation to Bryan had been to encourage Roxy to reform and to tour with the band; perhaps as a result, his consultancy services had already been deemed superfluous. He had heard the forthcoming album of originals, and had thought it "not bad". I can't be certain, but this album is probably one that Bryan wanted to do, and not one that he was forced to do. Perhaps, though, he'd have done it after the album of originals and not before. B - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 01:06:03 +0100 From: Bahi Para Subject: Re: [AVALON] time goes by Colleen wrote: [...] >these songs were written by some quite sophisticated, jaded, and >ironic--and overwhelmingly American--songwriters. But they never went so far as to flout the rules entirely, these songwriters. The detached and contrived lyrics still had to sound plausible in some sense. They had to be better than the songs from which they attempted to distance themselves. And while other recordings of the songs play turn up the irony, it's quite a surprise to hear how good some of these things sound when charged with the sincerity you hear on this album. Some of the occasionally irritating humour of the era has been turned into innocence and uncertainty, and sometimes into a strange darkness that unexpectedly flatters the 30s soundscape. >And here they are performed as earnestly as any teenage pop song about >dead lovers on a railroad track. Is it some kind of overseas view about >us uned-u-kated >Americans? That all of our songwriters suffer from this suffocating >earnestness which must be replicated in the studio? The irony of early Roxy and Ferry music - underneath it lay unexpected sincerity and intensity. And now we have the opposite. The performances are sincere (and quite beautiful, to my ear) but the songs' elegance, sophistication and wit are still there, playing their new supporting roles very well. (I admit to being unsure still about Miss Otis Regrets.) Thanks for such a well written review. B (Not entirely comfortable to find himself disagreeing with it.) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:28:48 -0700 From: dawndalion Subject: Re: [AVALON] Chip in NYC Jeff, My brother and I are staying at the Luxor, next door..... 109/night, and one of the nights is like $99. Check it out, see you there!!! Best, Dawne - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 21:54:24 -0400 From: "tfagan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] time goes by There's obviously more than "just us" buying ATGB -- at Amazon Music it was the 24th highest selling CD yesterday (1st day) and zoomed up to number 16 today. Isn't life ironic?? - --TriTri - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 20:27:47 -0700 From: Brian Folks Subject: [AVALON] Now here's a Bright Idea. The big light bulb just went off over my head about what to do with Ferry's career. I think he should hook up with some some known younger musicians and start a new band a la Tin Machine. (This is assuming a RM reunion is out of the question. Recent good examples are the recent teaming of Carlos Santana and Rob Thomas of Matchbox 20 or Sting and Puff Daddy. The big question is who should these hot musicians be? On bass I would like to see Flea from Red Hot Chili Peppers Strumming the guitar would have to be? Backup vocals or duets with Brittney Spears and/or Shania Twain On that note Ferry could hook up with a Hip Hop artist like Dirty Ol' Bastard Keyboards by? Drums by? Percussion would have to be that guy from all the MTV Unplugged sessions (see: Clapton) Horns by Save Ferris! (Shite, we could call the band Save Ferry!) If anyone could add to or improve on this list, I'd love to see it. - -brian - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 21:31:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Ashar Subject: Re: [AVALON] That don't impress me much - --- Brian Folks wrote: > Backup vocals or duets with Brittney Spears and/or Shania Twain Over my dead body. ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 21:33:42 -0700 From: Brian Folks Subject: Re: [AVALON] That don't impress me much Neil Ashar wrote: > > --- Brian Folks wrote: > > Backup vocals or duets with Brittney Spears and/or Shania Twain > > Over my dead body. Oh, but both of them have such great belly buttons, Ferry would make a mint and be in heaven at the same time ;-) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 01:12:38 EDT From: LizzieJim@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Tour Schedule? Does anyone know Bryan's tour schedule or where I could look one up on the web? And is he already on tour? Janeen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 01:20:58 -0400 From: "tfagan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Tour Schedule? Once again with feeling: 11/02/99 Washington DC 9:30 Club 11/03/99 Washington DC 9:30 Club 11/04/99 Philadelphia PA Gershman Auditorium 11/05/99 New York NY Beacon Theatre 11/07/99 Boston MA Berklee Performance Ctr. 11/09/99 Toronto ON Massey Hall 11/10/99 Detroit MI Opera House 11/11/99 Chicago IL Riviera Theatre 11/13/99 Boulder CO Macky Auditorium 11/15/99 Oakland CA Paramount Theatre 11/17/99 Anaheim CA Sun Theatre 11/18/99 Los Angeles CA Wiltern Theatre 11/19/99 Las Vegas NV House Of Blues 11/21/99 Seattle WA Paramount Theatre - -----Original Message----- From: LizzieJim@aol.com >Does anyone know Bryan's tour schedule or where I could look one up on the >web? >And is he already on tour? > >Janeen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 01:44:50 EDT From: JFROXY@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Is It Just Me Or Does JFROXY Post About 1,000, 000TimesA Day? In a message dated 20/10/99 10:53:33 GMT Daylight Time, richard_swift@lineone.net writes: << Martin - Thank - you for saving me the time it would have taken me to so eloquently express what you have said. I couldn't agree more! Richard >> Thank you Dick, and all of Kaiser Martin's Batmen (well, he is from London), for sticking up for me whilst defending myself from an unprovoked attack, I'll remember that. Anyways, where were we...yes, monkey's and pregnancy....zzzzzzzzzzz. JF - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:02:30 +0200 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] time goes by Colleen wrote: >Maybe part of my own problem with the album is that familiarity breeds >contempt. I already own versions of most of these songs. And I already >own music from the 1930s. So I guess I'm wondering what the point was to >create an album of overly familiar songs done in very conservative, even >"authentic" settings. Dead on, Colleen. It is _sooo_ tedious when people insist on recording music that have already been recorded. All of those Mozart, Bach and Beethoven-thingies, for instance. Those guys have been dead for like hundres of years and still people play their music. Veeery repetitious, eh? /Kicki G - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 03:16:04 EDT From: RODEISLRED@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Jerry Hall, Unplugged FROM THE NY POST: JERRY: "Cheap" pin-up AT 44 years old, Jerry Hall is still centerfold material. Mick Jagger's ex contacted Cheap Date - a zine for thrift-store enthusiasts - and offered herself for a spread. Hall will appear in the December issue clad in a tiny slip and black panties. Despite the magazine's underground status, former Cheap Date centerfolds include Sophie Dahl and Chloe Sevigny. JFROXY was turned down, though--too cheap, too Scottish, and not worthy of a date. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V4 #319 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest