From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V4 #316 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Tuesday, October 19 1999 Volume 04 : Number 316 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Depression has set in..... ["Andy Cooper" ] Re: [AVALON] Depression has set in..... [f2hb@casema.net] Re: [AVALON] the shelf-life of CD's [f2hb@casema.net] Re: [AVALON] As Time Goes By [f2hb@casema.net] Re: [AVALON] Depression has set in..... ["Will Frechette" ] Re: [AVALON] Bowie/Ferry [jspellman ] Re: [AVALON] Depression has set in..... [JFROXY@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Depression has set in..... [JFROXY@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Ticket time in Chi-town [Gal410@aol.com] SV: [AVALON] Depression has set in..... ["Oberon" ] [AVALON] bryan ferry ruined my pregnancy ... (!) ["mark shanahan" ] Re: [AVALON] Ticket time in Chi-town ["Killip family" ] Re: [AVALON] Is It Just Me Or Does This Thing Suck? [shinoballo@webtv.net] [AVALON] Flame Me [Peter Dewey ] Re: [AVALON] Is It Just Me Or Does This Thing Suck? [JFROXY@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Is It Just Me Or Does JFROXY Post About 1,000, 000 Times A Day? [RODEISLRED@ao] Re: [AVALON] bryan ferry ruined my pregnancy ... (!) [Heather Marie Prope] Re: [AVALON] Is It Just Me Or Does This Thing Suck? [Kicki Gustafsson Subject: [AVALON] Depression has set in..... OK guys (and gals) I need your help here. I thought, seeing as I was working at home for a change and the sun was shining, I'd play the Eno mix of 39 Steps (y'know off the Mamouna CD single) and reached to the rack to pull it out and play it. That's when the horror started....I removed the disc from the Digipak case and looked at the play/audio data side of the disc - it looked as if some extremely small little alien character had been ice skating all around the disc - it is covered in a most intricate pattern of squirls and squiggles which makes my CD player's heart skip several beats - so this disc is no longer playable. Then dreading the worst I checked out the rest of the Ferry/Roxy collection and to my horror most of my discs that are stored in Digipaks [not slim jewel cases] are affected the same way!!! It must be some kind of chemical reaction between the two plastics of the Digipak case and the disc. This is terrible!!!! Has anyone else suffered this? - What can be done? - I thought CDs were supposed to last a long time! Do the CD manufacturers know about this? Should I write a stiff letter to EMI Swindon who pressed ALL of these discs? HEEEELLLLPPPP!!! Discs in my collection that are affected (and will probably be difficult to replace now!)... - -Mamouna CD single VSCDG 1528 - 1995 - -Your Painted Smile CD single VSDG 1508 - 1994 - -Parts 2 & 3 of The Archive and Live Collection set because they are all housed in the lovely fold out digipak they supplied instead of leaving parts 2 & 3 in the slim jewel cases they arrived in which probably would've saved them!! VSDT 1455 & 1468 - 1993 - -Mamouna An Introduction (promo disc) FS1.1 - 1994 - -Girl Of My Best Friend CD single VSCDG1468 - 1993 - -I Put A Spell On You CD single VSCDG 1400 - 1993 Anyone else out there suffering this 'plastic disease'? Yours, very depressed Andy :-( - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 13:26:07 +0100 From: S.J.Batie@open.ac.uk Subject: RE: [AVALON] Bryan's "Later" performance in RealVideo emm, if you want to be put in the right mood to relax go to this site. 'falling in love again' is just out of this world !!!!! s > -----Original Message----- > From: Gerrit Hillebrand [SMTP:gj.hillebrand@wxs.nl] > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 1999 12:17 AM > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: [AVALON] Bryan's "Later" performance in RealVideo > > Hi, > > I took the initiative to make the superb performance of Bryan in last > saturday's Later show, of Jools Holland on BBC (UK), public an put > it in RealVideo format on the net. So please make sure you have the > Real G2 player installed to be able to watch them. If you do not have > this plug-in installed, please visit www.real.com for a free download. > > The site is optimised for use with Internet Explorer 5. It uses > embedded tables within tables, so in Navigator./Communicator, things > might look a bit crappy. > > There are three clips on it: > . The introduction with Jools Holland > . As Time Goes By (Live) > . Falling In Love Again (Live) > > The site might be up for only 4 days, depending on the bandwith. If > too many visitors show up in a couple of days, I will remove it to avoid > any penalties I have to pay for bandwidth overflow. > > But please enjoy Bryan live and visit the "Later.... As Time Goes By" site > at: > http://www.fairwater.com/later.html > > Gerrit @ Trophies.Org > > > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 07:33:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Heather Marie Propes Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ticket time in Chi-town Wow! What a cool story David. I love the part about Eno jumping the barrier and landing on your foot. That reminds me of the first scene from Velvet Goldmine, where all the glam kids are running. If only I had been of concert-going age in '79! OK, and now for the question that's on everyone's mind - Amanda Lear - Did ANYTHING seem just a bit "off"? Ciao, http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/asbuch/index.htm#hometop Heather Marie Buch asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu > Ferry, et al, come out, we hung out behind the theatre on 13th Street. > Bowie and Eno came running out, jumped a wooden barricade right where I > was standing, and Eno landed on my foot! Unfortunately, they kept going > and jumped in a waiting limo. > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 07:44:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Heather Marie Propes Subject: Re: [AVALON] Are you experinced.? On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, tfagan wrote: > this is what happens when you don't have a car or a driver's license. these > are the concerts that I attended in the sixties: > > Herman's Hermits > The Fifth Dimension > Ike & Tina Turner > The Association > The Who (the highlight of my decade as it was just after Woodstock) > Janis Joplin > Was Janis alone or with Big Brother? She was so amazing. NOW, I just have to meet someone who actually saw the Exploding Plastic Inevitable. BTW - who did you see in the 70's (aside from Roxy Music, I'm sure)? Neil Young would have been great to see during that era. I've been listening to a lot of Neil lately. Also, Jas, I loved to hear your account of the Sly Stone and Isaac Hayes concert. Tell us more! It's funny to think that I only came to be exposed to a number of those great 70's soul acts (Stone, Stevie Wonder who I'm listening to right now, etc) through none other but the Red Hot Chili Peppers. Sad but true. If the Peppers hadn't covered great songs like "Higher Ground," this middle-class suburban white girl would have gotten into Stevie, but a lot later! Ciao, Heather (always interested in hearing about the other bands that people are interested in). - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 07:53:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Heather Marie Propes Subject: Re: [AVALON] let me get one thing straight Maybe I should just wear aluminum film, in memory of the old glam rock days. Heather Marie Buch asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest wrote: > Heather, remember to wear aluminiumfilm under your dress. The lightshow > could hurt the baby's eyes. > > cheers > Han > > > > >Thanks for the info, Jocelyn and Colleen, > > > >I have my ticket and I want to go, but now I'm kinda having second > >thoughts as I'm pregnant and do not want to give birth to a deaf baby. > > > > > >Heather Marie Buch asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu > > > > > > > >On Mon, 18 Oct 1999, Jocelyn Fiske wrote: > > > >> Even if it was Bryan on his own playing spoons you should be going. > >> > >> > ---------- > >> > From: Heather Marie Propes[SMTP:asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu] > >> > Reply To: avalon@smoe.org > >> > Sent: 18 October 1999 16:03 > >> > To: Avalon > >> > Subject: [AVALON] let me get one thing straight > >> > > >> > In his upcoming tour, Bryan Ferry will be accompanied by an orchestra, > not > >> > a loud, guitar-based rock band, right? If anyone could confirm, that > would > >> > be great. I am trying to decide whether or not I should go after all. > >> > > >> > Thanks, > >> > > >> > http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/asbuch/index.htm#hometop > >> > > >> > Heather Marie Buch asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >-------------------- > >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > >unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 07:54:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Heather Marie Propes Subject: Re: [AVALON] Depression has set in..... Oh man that sucks. Were the digipacs supplied with the discs? If so, maybe you could write the label and get compensated? BTW - what are digipacs? Heather Marie Buch asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, Andy Cooper wrote: > OK guys (and gals) I need your help here. I thought, seeing as I was > working at home for a change and the sun was shining, I'd play the Eno mix > of 39 Steps (y'know off the Mamouna CD single) and reached to the rack to > pull it out and play it. That's when the horror started....I removed the > disc from the Digipak case and looked at the play/audio data side of the > disc - it looked as if some extremely small little alien character had been > ice skating all around the disc - it is covered in a most intricate pattern > of squirls and squiggles which makes my CD player's heart skip several > beats - so this disc is no longer playable. Then dreading the worst I > checked out the rest of the Ferry/Roxy collection and to my horror most of > my discs that are stored in Digipaks [not slim jewel cases] are affected the > same way!!! It must be some kind of chemical reaction between the two > plastics of the Digipak case and the disc. This is terrible!!!! Has > anyone else suffered this? - What can be done? - I thought CDs were supposed > to last a long time! Do the CD manufacturers know about this? Should I > write a stiff letter to EMI Swindon who pressed ALL of these discs? > HEEEELLLLPPPP!!! > > Discs in my collection that are affected (and will probably be difficult to > replace now!)... > -Mamouna CD single VSCDG 1528 - 1995 > -Your Painted Smile CD single VSDG 1508 - 1994 > -Parts 2 & 3 of The Archive and Live Collection set because they are all > housed in the lovely fold out digipak they supplied instead of leaving parts > 2 & 3 in the slim jewel cases they arrived in which probably would've saved > them!! VSDT 1455 & 1468 - 1993 > -Mamouna An Introduction (promo disc) FS1.1 - 1994 > -Girl Of My Best Friend CD single VSCDG1468 - 1993 > -I Put A Spell On You CD single VSCDG 1400 - 1993 > > Anyone else out there suffering this 'plastic disease'? > > Yours, very depressed > > Andy :-( > > > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 08:04:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Heather Marie Propes Subject: [AVALON] the shelf-life of CD's On the subject of CD storage methods - does anyone know if there have been any problems with those portfolio-type CD-Wallets such as the ones made by Caselogic? I have about 100 CD's stored in one of those... Thanks, http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/asbuch/index.htm#hometop Heather Marie Buch asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 15:29:14 +0200 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: [AVALON] As Time Goes By I recieved my copy of As Time Goes By today. I haven't had much time to listen to it, but I alreday have a strong favourite: When or Where. It really is beautiful, and Bryan sings with true emotion. Otherwise, his voice comes across as rather fragile these days. Gone are the days when he could belt out Psalm on the top of his lungs. I like this record very much, though. I know that I'll be playing it a lot, certainly more than Taxi. /Kicki G - ------------------------ Kicki Gustafsson, Östersunds-Posten 063-16 16 51 http://www.op.se http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (privat hemsida) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 15:32:13 +0200 From: f2hb@casema.net Subject: Re: [AVALON] Depression has set in..... >plastics of the Digipak case and the disc. This is terrible!!!! Has >anyone else suffered this? - What can be done? - I thought CDs were supposed >to last a long time! Do the CD manufacturers know about this? Should I >write a stiff letter to EMI Swindon who pressed ALL of these discs? >HEEEELLLLPPPP!!! ... >Anyone else out there suffering this 'plastic disease'? > >Yours, very depressed > >Andy :-( - ------------------------------------------------------ Hi Andy, HELP IS ON YOUR WAY and you can make some $$$ too with your problem! How? Very easy, it's fun to do and absolutely FREE! After you've joined, you have your own daily Browser Startpage and you getpaid everyday you login to Internet. Please do me a favor and join me at: http://www.ignifuge.com/getpaid/index.php3?refid=QNZ643 What's the catch? You will have your own SearchEngine and alot more options. So OK, in case you don't make use of my offer, just go to above URL and type in: 'CD repair' in the SearchEngine and watch the URLs scroll down your screen, solving your problem! good luck, Frank P.S. In normal circumstances, CDs are ment to have a lifetime of about 20 years after date of manufacture. It all got to do with degrading/erosion of the thiny metal layer(on which the stored data is burnt) beneath the protective plastic surface. It is obvious that deep scratches in the protective surface, will cause oxygen get in touch with this metal, thus accelerating the oxydation process and shorten your CD's lifetime. P.P.S. Glad MP3 is here! For a COOL looking MP3 Babe: http://www.mplayer3.com/ You can enter to WIN this Babe! - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 15:55:51 +0200 From: f2hb@casema.net Subject: Re: [AVALON] the shelf-life of CD's >On the subject of CD storage methods - does anyone know if there have been >any problems with those portfolio-type CD-Wallets such as the ones made >by Caselogic? I have about 100 CD's stored in one of those... > >Thanks, > >http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/asbuch/index.htm#hometop > >Heather Marie Buch asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu - -------------------------------------------------- The alltime best solution is storing in jewelcases. Easy to pull out or store back, without the problem of getting scratches. In case you take those in your car, use as many as CD-exchangeable store cases. Frank - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 16:25:26 +0200 From: f2hb@casema.net Subject: Re: [AVALON] As Time Goes By >...and Bryan sings with true emotion. >Otherwise, his voice comes across as rather fragile these days. Gone are >the days when he could belt out Psalm on the top of his lungs. >I like this record very much, though. I know that I'll be playing it a lot, >certainly more than Taxi. > >/Kicki G - ------------------------------------ Yes, you got it right there: fragile this fragility can be heard on Taxi/Mamouna though: Will You Love Me Tomorrow? Just One Look typical Ferry too, abit off-tone which makes his voice so special. Gone are also that haunting baselines... Rescue Me, NYC Frank - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:50:55 -0500 From: "Will Frechette" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Depression has set in..... Maybe your CD player is scratching them instead of the cases? Will - ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Cooper > OK guys (and gals) I need your help here. I thought, seeing as I was > working at home for a change and the sun was shining, I'd play the Eno mix > of 39 Steps (y'know off the Mamouna CD single) and reached to the rack to > pull it out and play it. That's when the horror started....I removed the > disc from the Digipak case and looked at the play/audio data side of the > disc - it looked as if some extremely small little alien character had been > ice skating all around the disc - it is covered in a most intricate pattern > of squirls and squiggles which makes my CD player's heart skip several > beats - so this disc is no longer playable. Then dreading the worst I > checked out the rest of the Ferry/Roxy collection and to my horror most of > my discs that are stored in Digipaks [not slim jewel cases] are affected the > same way!!! It must be some kind of chemical reaction between the two > plastics of the Digipak case and the disc. This is terrible!!!! Has > Yours, very depressed > > Andy :-( - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 11:19:56 -0400 From: jspellman Subject: Re: [AVALON] Are you experinced.? tfagan wrote: > this is what happens when you don't have a car or a driver's license. these > are the concerts that I attended in the sixties: > > Herman's Hermits > The Fifth Dimension > Ike & Tina Turner > The Association > The Who (the highlight of my decade as it was just after Woodstock) > Janis Joplin > You saw the Association? I love them. That must have been "Precious". Jim - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 11:35:11 -0400 From: jspellman Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bowie/Ferry Alison Brown wrote: > > I especially liked "Outside" due to Eno's collaborations and help. I > > can never hear too much of Eno/Bowie. It seems like a lot of Roxy fans > > on this list are stuck in a Bowie 70's timewarp. Have you no > > appreciation for Bowie's music from the 80's and 90's. Yeah, I know I'm > > settin' myself up to be flamed. > > Speaking of a Bowie time warp, it seems that he won't be touring for at > least two years to work on the multi-faceted Ziggy Stardust project that's > been floating around for a while. I guess that could be either good or bad > depending on your point of view. I disagree w/ all the Bowie bashing. I saw him on VH-1 Storytellers last night and I think the haircut looks great. More important I liked his new music. The treat for me was "Word on a Wing" and his 1st single "Can't Help Thinking About Me" from '66. If he's not your cup of tea, fine, but at least there is music to praise or criticize. I'm sorry I'm just not excited about another album of covers from Bryan. One album in 12 years with tons of material locked in the vault, it's a crying shame. Jim - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 12:09:53 EDT From: JFROXY@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Depression has set in..... In a message dated 19/10/99 01:13:48 GMT Daylight Time, cooper_systems@compuserve.com writes: << Anyone else out there suffering this 'plastic disease'? >> Hi Andy, I remember reading about this in the Record Collector magazine, some guy wrote in saying exactly what you did, all his discs that were effected were BF and Queen CD singles in digi pack. On reading this I checked mine, sure enough, they all had a "snow flake" design on them, when I played them they seemed to play ok, apart form one,which kept skipping. What I then did was wash them in warm water with washing up liquid (honest) and the marks went away and they played alright. I have not checked them recently though, but give it a try anyway. JF - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 13:54:12 EDT From: JFROXY@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Depression has set in..... In a message dated 19/10/99 05:12:10 GMT Daylight Time, JFROXY@aol.com writes: << Hi Andy, I remember reading about this in the Record Collector magazine, some guy wrote in saying exactly what you did, all his discs that were effected were BF and Queen CD singles in digi pack. On reading this I checked mine, sure enough, they all had a "snow flake" design on them, when I played them they seemed to play ok, apart form one, which kept skipping. What I then did was wash them in warm water with washing up liquid (honest) and the marks went away and they played alright. I have not checked them recently though, but give it a try anyway. >> By the way Andy, this happened about 3 years ago, but I just checked them 5 minutes ago and the marks have not returned, so it definitely works. JF. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 14:08:42 EDT From: Gal410@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ticket time in Chi-town David- I loved reading your story, and thanks for letting me know the actual date of the concert, and the ticket price...Wow I can't believe that's all we paid back then! Amanda Lear isn't she the model on the cover of "For Your Pleasure/Roxy Music"? Also, can anyone tell me what is Andy Mackay doing these days, and who is he playing with? - -Heidi - ---------------------- > >The Manifesto show at the Palladium was March 29, 1979 (still have my >ticket stub-$8.50!) where Roxy was supported by the Atlantics. > > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 20:29:18 +0200 From: "Oberon" Subject: SV: [AVALON] Depression has set in..... Hi, I don't know if this is really relevant, or if PDO manufactured Roxy or Ferry albums, but this is something I found somewhere and just might be of interest: What is disc rot? If you have any CDs manufactured by PDO between 1988-1993, you may have noticed a bronze discoloring around the outside edge of the label side of the CD on some discs. This is what is known as "bronzing", or "disc rot". Along with this comes a gradual deterioration of data on the CD starting with the last track and moving inwards over time. The symptom of the deterioration is a crackling, staticky noise not unlike that of a scratchy vinyl LP. Horrible, eh? A good reason to buy everything on vinyl, if it were possible. How does it affect me? Many of the groups on the World Serpent label (including Death In June, Current 93, Coil, and Nurse With Wound) have had CDs pressed by PDO during the disc rot years. These CDs may end up deteriorating over time, so you might want to check them over. Any CDs pressed after 1993 (including reprints) should be in no danger, however. What can I do about it? There is hope. The pressing plant PDO has acknowledged the problem and taken responsibility for it. They will replace your faulty CDs for free (if they are in print). For more details on the problem as well as information on getting your CDs replaced, please check out the following links: - -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: JFROXY@aol.com Til: avalon@smoe.org Dato: 19. oktober 1999 18:12 Emne: Re: [AVALON] Depression has set in..... >In a message dated 19/10/99 01:13:48 GMT Daylight Time, >cooper_systems@compuserve.com writes: > ><< > Anyone else out there suffering this 'plastic disease'? > >> > >Hi Andy, I remember reading about this in the Record Collector magazine, some >guy wrote in saying exactly what you did, all his discs that were effected >were BF and Queen CD singles in digi pack. On reading this I checked mine, >sure enough, they all had a "snow flake" design on them, when I played them >they seemed to play ok, apart form one,which kept skipping. What I then did >was wash them in warm water with washing up liquid (honest) and the marks >went away and they played alright. I have not checked them recently though, >but give it a try anyway. > >JF - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 11:40:29 PDT From: "mark shanahan" Subject: [AVALON] bryan ferry ruined my pregnancy ... (!) hello all: welcome to *all* the newbies ... i personally am really enjoying how this list is 'fleshing' out! heather: damns - what's up w/you girlfriend?! you go, girl! i seriously, seriously doubt an evening of standards w/bryan ferry is going to be any kind of detriment to your unborn person. in fact, i would think quite the opposite; an edification that will be *good* for him/her. as my heroine, martha stewart says, 'it's a good thing ...'. well, i've reserved two copies of 'atgb' at my local record store (non-virgin, non-tower, non-borders, non-amazon) and i suggest you all support your local/indie record/cd stores! now, netaid: thank you to whomever suggested the netaid website for video (w. sommers? - sorry ...). however, no one else responded. *surely* there must be some other kind soul in the u.s. who watched the concerts and can tell me whether ferry's set was broadcast (partially or otherwise) on vh-1 in the u.s., no?! THANKS a bunch! well, looking forward to the reactions to the cd ... and hours from now i'll have mine. re: the tour. wouldn't those of you on this list suspect it's a limited tour for this cd -- if the rumors are true he's got some originals in the can? that's not to say that *i* expect a tour next year and the roxy rumors are just that, but ...? OK, thanks. peaces/ms P.S. eric simpson -- could you send me your address again; i seem to have misplaced it, as per usual ... :^) -- thanks. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 11:44:53 PDT From: "mark shanahan" Subject: [AVALON] daily telegraph hi again ... so, what *is* the daily telegraph's url, please someone? if it's the 'electronic telegraph', then i can't find the article. any help appreciated - thanks. peaces/ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 20:33:23 +0100 From: "Killip family" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ticket time in Chi-town Heidi Re: Andy Mackay...visit www.sierrabravo.co.uk/roxysax/index.htm for news of the maestro. (UK) David - ---------- > From: Gal410@aol.com > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ticket time in Chi-town > Date: 19 October 1999 19:08 > > David- > > I loved reading your story, and thanks for letting me know the actual date > of the concert, and the ticket price...Wow I can't believe that's all we paid > back then! > > Amanda Lear isn't she the model on the cover of "For Your Pleasure/Roxy > Music"? > > Also, can anyone tell me what is Andy Mackay doing these days, and who is > he playing with? > > -Heidi > > ---------------------- > > > >The Manifesto show at the Palladium was March 29, 1979 (still have my > >ticket stub-$8.50!) where Roxy was supported by the Atlantics. > > > > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 16:32:08 -0400 From: "Decophile" Subject: [AVALON] Is It Just Me Or Does This Thing Suck? With all due respect to those who actually find As Time Goes By enjoyable, I have to say that I find this material totally lame, uninteresting and barely worthy of one listen. I wasn`t thrilled about it when it first came to light but I was willing to give it a try. And now that I`ve actually heard a few tracks, I like it even less. In fact, I think it sucks! I don`t know at what market this was aimed at, but as a Roxy/Ferry fan, this isn`t what I`ve been waiting for and it certainly won`t find it`s way into my collection. Hopefully, some original material will eventually materialize. Gene - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 21:30:48 +0100 From: "johnny reece" Subject: [AVALON] when we were young... Very much enjoying the 'seeing Bry/Roxy long ago' type memories - and hearing peoples reactions and recollections. My first ? Well, April 6th, 1973, at Greens Playhouse, Glasgow (later to become Glasgow Apollo, much later to be demolished to become another faceless office block). Roxy Music, supported by Sharks (with a very young Chris Spedding on guitar) and Lloyd Watson. First song of the Gig - a thundering 'Do The Strand' as I recall (RM were plugging the then 'new' FYP LP, of course). Eno resplendent in 'peacock garb' as per inner sleeve of FYP - later to change into a glam silvery jacket number for the encore - where he belted out backing vox, along with Andy Mackay during the encore - 'Grey Lagoons'. I remember thinking it strange at the time - there was no official 'front man' for most of the Gig - Ferry at one side, Eno at the other, with Ferry only making the occasional foray into centre stage. ( Now we know about all that, many years on...) I had just bought FYP of course, which changed my life to say the least, and here I am, some 26 years later, telling you all about it ! Incidentally, I wrote a story about the Gig for one of my English Exams at School that year - passed the exam too - the influence of Roxy Music gets everywhere, you see ! The ticket price ? 60 pence - I guess that equates to about a dollar. 'When we were young', indeed. Reecey... - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 16:41:42 -0400 (EDT) From: shinoballo@webtv.net (Jeff Pavlock) Subject: Re: [AVALON] Is It Just Me Or Does This Thing Suck? WOW, finally an honest but puzzling post! I am patiently waiting for cdnow to send me mine and I hope it is better than what Gene said. I ordered the Pretty Things new EP with it so if it is "not what I expected" it wouldn't be a total loss. Still I have high hopes for ATGB. I can see(hear) him pull it off. C'mon Gene give it another listen and say it ain't so. Jeff - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 22:02:41 +0100 From: Peter Dewey Subject: [AVALON] Flame Me Hi all I haven't posted here in years, now twice in a week. I just listened to the new Bowie album. It's quite good, normal for him recently. It just made me think, having listened to some of the new Ferry tunes, what is going on? Ferry is on a much superior plane to Bowie, but he doesn't seem to feel the need to demonstrate this at all. Bowie chucks stuff out regularly, some would say too much, but at least it's out. How many of us are devotees of BF because of the music he is currently doing? I would guess that most arrived at his music through the Roxy or self-penned solo works rather than covers. Now I like pretty much all his releases, and will enjoy the new cd, but frankly it's a bit pathetic to go wild over a 30's cover album. I am familiar with some of the new songs, and will appreciate his versions, but we've had 1 full cd release of new BF songs in 12 years. On a slightly different tack, I'm a bit of a Springsteen fan. Now I know that there are not too many similarities between the two, except reticence, but I have recently been enjoying the resurgence of BS and the E Street Band. I saw 4 of the UK shows and the energy and performance were fantastic. I had hoped for a double helping of reformed groups with a 1999 Roxy tour. I can't help but think that getting back with the old members and playing rock music would get things moving. I have a theory that Springsteen reformed his band because he had some sort of writers block and he always composed most of his rock songs on the road or in the studio with that band. Sorry, I went on a bit, just frustration. Regards - -- Peter Dewey - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 17:20:55 EDT From: JFROXY@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Is It Just Me Or Does This Thing Suck? In a message dated 19/10/99 09:29:37 GMT Daylight Time, decophile@pipeline.com writes: <> Isn't that why Roxy/Ferry never made it big in the USA in the first place, cos the music was too Euro/avant garde/arty for American ears? Even the wonderful Frank Zappa was literally ignored by his fellow countrymen for being too left field. I must admit I was not too enamoured at the thought of this album originally, but what I have heard so far is excellent. By the way, how come Americans took to hilarious British crap like Depeche Mode and A flock of seagulls l in such a big way, yet ignored Roxy??????? Disgraceful! JF. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 17:28:28 EDT From: RODEISLRED@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Is It Just Me Or Does JFROXY Post About 1,000, 000 Times A Day? In a message dated 10/19/99 9:24:13 PM, JFROXY@aol.com writes: >the >wonderful Frank Zappa Aaah the English, always so far ahead of us overseas primates. Hey 'JFROXY,' don't you have a day job? Great name, by the way. Do you have a plexiglass see-through violin to play along to the new CD? - --Red - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 16:38:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Heather Marie Propes Subject: Re: [AVALON] bryan ferry ruined my pregnancy ... (!) On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, mark shanahan wrote: > heather: damns - what's up w/you girlfriend?! you go, girl! i seriously, > seriously doubt an evening of standards w/bryan ferry is going to be any > kind of detriment to your unborn person. in fact, i would think quite the > opposite; an edification that will be *good* for him/her. as my heroine, > martha stewart says, 'it's a good thing ...'. > Yep, that Martha, never doubt the brilliance of a pop culture icon...Well, I'm gonna go, as it were. I think it'll be fun. Just me and my unborn person. Maybe I'll buy a T-Shirt. I wonder what kind of doo-dad's they'll be selling this time? Heather - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 23:42:03 +0200 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] Is It Just Me Or Does This Thing Suck? >WOW, finally an honest but puzzling post! I am patiently waiting for >cdnow to send me mine and I hope it is better than what Gene said. I >ordered the Pretty Things new EP with it so if it is "not what I >expected" it wouldn't be a total loss. Still I have high hopes for >ATGB. I can see(hear) him pull it off. C'mon Gene give it another >listen and say it ain't so. Jeff I think it's difficult to compare ATGB with Ferry's other records. These aren't really Bryan Ferry's _versions_ of old songs, like when he did These Foolish Things or I put a spell on you. I'd say this record is more of a tribute to an era, Ferry paying hommage. It's without posing, without irony but not without a lot of passion and love for this particular music. I can see _nothing_ wrong with that. Kicki G - ------------------------ Kicki Gustafsson, Östersunds-Posten 063-16 16 51 http://www.op.se http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (privat hemsida) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 16:43:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Heather Marie Propes Subject: Re: [AVALON] Is It Just Me Or Does This Thing Suck? On Tue, 19 Oct 1999 JFROXY@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 19/10/99 09:29:37 GMT Daylight Time, > decophile@pipeline.com writes: > > Isn't that why Roxy/Ferry never made it big in the USA in the first place, > cos the music was too Euro/avant garde/arty for American ears? Even the > wonderful Frank Zappa was literally ignored by his fellow countrymen for > being too left field. I must admit I was not too enamoured at the thought of > this album originally, but what I have heard so far is excellent. By the way, > how come Americans took to hilarious British crap like Depeche Mode and A > flock of seagulls l in such a big way, yet ignored Roxy??????? Disgraceful! It all depends on what you consider "artsy" anyway. Sometimes I think European style is beautiful but a bit too formulaic, which I could definitely see a collection of 30's covers being! Besides, there are plenty of avant-garde American role models, Laurie Anderson, John Cage, or Lou Reed for example. I don't think something like the Velvet Underground could have happened in Europe. Ciao, Heather - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 17:43:48 EDT From: MonquiBoy@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Monkey Mad Red write:// Aaah the English, always so far ahead of us overseas primates. hey Red leave us monkey alone. Monkey Boy no like new c-d. No can't dance. no gud. Ook, Ook The Monkey - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 17:43:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Is It Just Me Or Does This Thing Suck? On Tue, 19 Oct 1999 JFROXY@aol.com wrote: > Isn't that why Roxy/Ferry never made it big in the USA in the first place, > cos the music was too Euro/avant garde/arty for American ears? Even the Yes, that's right--Americans are Philistines. It's our cross in life to bear that we never spawned such musical treasures as Take That. And now please pardon me because it's time for me to mop my trailer. Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 17:59:36 -0400 From: "Linda Epstein" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Is It Just Me Or Does This Thing Suck? Colleen Matan wrote: > Yes, that's right--Americans are Philistines. It's our cross in life to > bear that we never spawned such musical treasures as Take That. > > And now please pardon me because it's time for me to mop my trailer. Thanks for the laugh. - -- Linda D. Epstein Photo Editor Knight Ridder/Tribune Photo Service (202) 383-6169 lepstein@krtinfo.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V4 #316 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest